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February 2, 2012 by inspectorgadget

New Scotland Yard (OK, probably a uniform constable on attachment to a Borough CID team) are to investigate the hacking of an email account belonging to unofficial police blogger, Nightjack.

I would like to lend my full support to any senior police officer who orders an investigation  into the compromising of  anonymous police bloggers who expose the inadequacies of, well, senior police officers.

I never thought I would say this, but we really have reached the point where you couldn’t make this up.

Perhaps my work here is done.

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Or perhaps we need to keep hearing about how, on the new ‘Response Hub F’, Ruralshire Constabulary, my skippers and I have just been hit with a whole new set of forms and lists to fill in ‘before the end of your shift’ so that our leaders can ‘measure, record and monitor performance to ensure that the people of Ruralshire receive a world-class policing service of which we can be proud’.

Personally, I think that we would be proud if we could get a car to them within 30 minutes if a burglar is inside their house trying to smash their heads in, but what do I know?

The number of forms and lists we have to complete ‘before then end of your shift’ is now so great that you have to start compiling them at the start of our shift.

The absolute horror of the risk that one of us might go home and that a report detailing how Shaznay and Wayne sent several mildly irritating texts to each other with the usual threats to commit arson might have to wait for a few hours, is too great to contemplate apparently.

Everyone knows that making sure we accurately record  the details of Shaznay and Wayne’s virtual relationship will really stop them form having arguments in the future. Won’t it?

Or could it be that Shaznay has too many kids to handle, that Wayne needs something constructive to do in his life other than nicking, the local shop need to stop selling them discounted alcohol while the baby freezes outside in the buggy and that we, the ambulance service, the NHS and Social Services simply stop pandering to their every cry for attention?

One day, in the context of the fact that in the final analysis, Shazza never did provide a statement accusing Wayne of anything much, and therefore he never was successfully prosecuted, he probably will burn the house down and kill them all. Even if he had been prosecuted and convicted, nothing would have happened to him.

The ‘back office’ staff who used to read all these lists and reports have long since gone in any case. There is no one to enter all the data on to the system either. The backlog is several hundred just for my old Division. Senior managers read the performance data quick enough though.

But then, the fact that ten years ago, I filled out a form ‘before the end of my shift’ detailing what an arse Wayne had been on Facebook again will save me from being fired. Won’t it?

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275 Responses

  1. on February 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm The Sybarite

    1st


    • on February 2, 2012 at 3:35 pm Asitis

      2nd….. :-) …..oh, it doesn’t work like this


    • on February 2, 2012 at 10:31 pm presuming ed ****

      Offers a begrudged acknowledgement of The Sybarite’s 1st…


  2. on February 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm Dave

    2nd?


  3. on February 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm 49

    first?


  4. on February 2, 2012 at 2:40 pm Knacker of the Yard

    So close!


  5. on February 2, 2012 at 2:41 pm BeePee

    Podium??


  6. on February 2, 2012 at 2:41 pm The Sybarite

    Working from home has its advantages …


    • on February 2, 2012 at 2:52 pm Andy *

      Hoy many firsts is that now?


      • on February 2, 2012 at 5:19 pm The Sybarite

        Maybe 3 or 4, I lost count, think I should quit and leave the field to other less fortunate souls ;-)

        As ever gadget is right, I hope they manage to bring someone to book for the persecution of nightjack, I really enjoyed his blog. He seemed a decent chap.


  7. on February 2, 2012 at 2:42 pm Mrs Doughnut

    top ten


  8. on February 2, 2012 at 2:42 pm BeePee

    Bugger……


  9. on February 2, 2012 at 2:43 pm evening tweeds

    So close…


  10. on February 2, 2012 at 2:44 pm CSI Stooodent

    First? :P


  11. on February 2, 2012 at 2:44 pm Enough

    First?


  12. on February 2, 2012 at 2:45 pm Andy *

    Well done Sybarite


  13. on February 2, 2012 at 2:46 pm smoke me a kipper

    Top 10ish personal best anyway


  14. on February 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm inspectorgadget

    In other news:

    An undercover agent went native. Man, that’s never happened before…. real news story please.


    • on February 2, 2012 at 2:51 pm Andy *

      Perhaps if it was unusual, like a native went undercover we’d have a story, or if a man bit a dog, or if a cop chased a robber and the robber (not the cop) got done for it and the robber went down for a stretch. Sorry, I’ve been daydreaming. Apologies. Won’t happen again.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 3:28 pm Olaf

        It is rather an unusual story as some Police Authority is going to get hit with a substantial Child Support claim (s)!


    • on February 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm Mrs Doughnut

      yeah, but that one was really bad, getting ladies preggers left right and center, and not adhering to any rules whatsoever. Epic fail in picking him for undercover duties…..

      I for one think there should be rules against sexual relationships with “targets” (what a silly word for them).


      • on February 2, 2012 at 3:12 pm PC Lightyear

        Well the ‘ladies’ have a responsibility to take steps against having unwanted kids too. Not just the UC.


        • on February 2, 2012 at 3:30 pm Mrs Doughnut

          yes, but he misrepresented himself, pretending to be an activist. They probably wanted to have kids with the activist persona, but might not have wanted to have kids with an undercover cop who would suddenly disappear into no where.


          • on February 2, 2012 at 5:02 pm sam

            I don’t know anything about undercover police work, but if you there were rules against having sex with people your investigating, wouldn’t it become a bit easier for groups to test people to see if they were undercover police?

            Just a thought.


            • on February 2, 2012 at 7:32 pm Don Esteban

              CRUSTY to undercover cop……….Hey giz a shag !

              Undercover cop…………………….ERM NO………can’t do that it’s notg allowed.

              BUSTED.

              Yep I can see how that works.


            • on February 3, 2012 at 10:26 am Agent Zig Zag

              Rumours have it, that a certain motorcycle club (gang) have initiation ceremonies that involve illegal sexual activities to stop them becoming infiltrated by undercover cops.


          • on February 2, 2012 at 7:31 pm fox in sox

            Men never lie to women to get them in the sack, do they? Or mislead them into thinking they are nicer, politically soft new men?
            Caveat Emptor!


  15. on February 2, 2012 at 2:50 pm Sunray

    Top ten?


  16. on February 2, 2012 at 2:50 pm Jim The Crim

    I won’t be holding my breath for a prosecution on this one though. The privacy of a Cop being invaded either on or off duty I don’t think the Gay Masons will be giving a Toss about that.


    • on February 2, 2012 at 5:02 pm bruce

      Ah, but the hack was glossed over in the court case, there’s the rub. Stitch up a copper’s career, that’s one thing. Be economical with the truth before a judge, that’s another.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 9:10 am Jim The Crim

        Or indeed just piss them off, and it’s Contempt.


  17. on February 2, 2012 at 2:52 pm Government Thug

    Top 10? My alert failed me!


    • on February 2, 2012 at 2:59 pm Government Thug

      Ah well, top twenty.

      Senior officers doing the right thing? There’s a thought!

      In a live webchat, Cmmdr Eastaugh responded to the question of why we searched 4 times as many black peor as whites by saying that we were “working with community leaders to understand the reasons for this more deeply”. Fool.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 3:03 pm Mrs Doughnut

        perhaps he meant that certain community leaders should understand the reasons more deeply?

        And shock, even own up to the fact that there is a problem, and try to do something about it?

        *gets coat*


        • on February 2, 2012 at 3:52 pm Government Thug

          If he wants to know, he should ask us, not community leaders. We’ll give him the true answer.


          • on February 2, 2012 at 6:48 pm presuming ed ****

            They don’t want to hear the unpalatable truth.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 3:21 pm inspectorgadget

        Maybe it’s because we only record the IC3 searches because they are more likely to complain…..


        • on February 2, 2012 at 7:00 pm presuming ed ****

          Since the recently renewed stop and account requirement (loc, date, time, IC code and officer details), I bang out about 5 crap IC1 stops at the end of each shift, just people I’ve said hi to, or given directions. Cheap maybe, but It makes me smile. And I’m ‘non-white.’


          • on February 3, 2012 at 10:35 am SC Longago

            And do they say “you’re only stopping me ‘cos I’m white?”


            • on February 3, 2012 at 12:50 pm presuming ed ****

              Funnily enough, no.


              • on February 3, 2012 at 2:42 pm whatashambles

                I’ve just read through it, what an appalling, overly apologetic pile of rot.
                No pride in this game whatsoever, and when we have this pandering nonsense, that ain’t going to change.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 1:15 am Sheriff Roscoe.P.Coltrane

        And young ex-cadet Eastaugh was such a normal bloke as a Pc…wonder what happened to him ?


      • on February 3, 2012 at 12:51 pm PC Lightyear

        Tony Eastaugh’s no idiot, he has to be diplomatic with statements I’m sure but I doubt he’ll trot out unnecessary platitudes and avoid the issue.

        He was also a Supt at Tottenham so knows a few of the issues behind the retail riots.


  18. on February 2, 2012 at 2:53 pm Pocket Notebook Boy (@ItDaFiveOh)

    High time this happened; Patrick Foster should be arrested, and The Times forced to explain why it did not disclose how their journalist discovered Nightjack’s identity – they knew, yet said nothing in court.

    I hope Richard Horton starts civil proceedings. And if you, Richard, are out there and reading this, I hope your fiction book goes stratospheric and you make a mint. If you haven’t placed it with a publisher or agent as yet, email Dan at Monday Books and he’ll forward the message on to me – I can put you in touch with several.


    • on February 2, 2012 at 3:04 pm Mrs Doughnut

      “they knew, yet said nothing in court.”
      Isn’t that perjury? or not?


    • on February 2, 2012 at 5:22 pm The Sybarite

      Yes, yes and triple yes.


    • on February 2, 2012 at 7:44 pm bruce

      The story, with a timeline, is covered on David Allen Green’s blog ‘Jack of Kent’, though it’s about due an update. It’s worth a look.


  19. on February 2, 2012 at 2:59 pm Mrs Doughnut

    I’m really interested in how the Nightjack case will work out. The man wasn’t telling lies, wasn’t slandering anyone, wasn’t offensive/racist/homophobic/ eccecc in eternity, and the Times basically outed him for the fun of seeing him suffer and get fired.

    That they used morally corrupt means to achieve all this is no big surprise at all. their holier than thou attitude has always irritated me to bits.

    I think he should sue them for damages.

    And although I know Gadget has protected himself very well, I still send a little prayer to heavens above every time I see your page is still up. :)


    • on February 2, 2012 at 3:22 pm inspectorgadget

      Thankfully he wasn’t fired and may have even been promoted since….


      • on February 2, 2012 at 3:33 pm Mrs Doughnut

        But I bet that’s what they where aiming for…..


    • on February 2, 2012 at 10:16 pm Anon

      Not just morally corrupt.

      Criminaly so. S1 Computer Misuse Act by gaining unlawful access to someone’s email account. Then said upright journo told porkies to the judge in a series of witness statements about how he supposedly tracked NJ down.

      Hope the Met stick him on


  20. on February 2, 2012 at 3:16 pm No Duff (was notsopc but is now, finally, verypc)

    Already posted in previous post but because it’s at the bottom, some might miss it, the full Portsmouth pursuit video;

    http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/east-hampshire/pc_s_relief_as_he_is_cleared_of_dangerous_driving_1_3477419


    • on February 2, 2012 at 3:24 pm inspectorgadget

      Bibby, who has 145 previous convictions and was on bail at the time, was later jailed for four years after admitting a string of offences including dangerous driving, driving while disqualified and without insurance, aggravated vehicle taking causing damage and two counts of burglary with intent to steal.

      PSD should hang their rotten heads in shame.

      I will cover this story soon.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 3:30 pm Tim

        I’m hoping that, after watching the footage with some confusion, that the CPS will issue a release as to what they found so dangerous, because it seems that my training was pretty similar to Holden’s


        • on February 2, 2012 at 3:38 pm No Duff (was notsopc but is now, finally, verypc)

          I am not response trained to any level so would never dare to to offer any kind of informed comment about his driving, but the only bit that “appears” likely to be used as a reason is the, about half way through, the overtaking of the bus on the wrong side and a bit of of a blind corner, but of course, that is from the cameras perspective, so the driver naturally could see more.

          The only other reason I could even guess is he ignored an order to stand down, but seeing as all comms are recorded, I have no doubt this would have been presented in court, but wasn’t, so you would have to think there was no such order.

          Could it be that the control room Insp, who would have authority of such things, maybe regretted not calling it of and decided to do a “pre-emptive” stike by sticking him on? Not entirely unbelievable.


        • on February 2, 2012 at 3:40 pm Mrs Doughnut

          Don’t hold your breath for them doing so…..

          I’ve watched the video, and as a mop ( and as a very bad driver, but still) I can only say that I can’t see anything dangerous.

          More to the point, Mr Doughnut could not see anything dangerous.

          If I was a copper in Portsmouth and surroundings, I’d ask for an official explanation or clarification why he was prosecuted for doing his job…


          • on February 2, 2012 at 6:16 pm concerned but powerless

            I have just watched that video and found myself sitting here scratching my head and sitting in a general state of bemusement as to how this ever got to CPS let alone crown court.

            There was only one moment that made me wince slightly but considering I ain’t an advanced driver and don’t know the roads/layout of where it happened I cannot offer any real opinion of whether I could class it as dangerous. It may be completely safe in the circumstances, on the whole it appeared to me to be controlled, an appropriate speed and no blatant risk taking.

            Yours (no pursuit driving for me any more),
            Confused of MetroLand


      • on February 2, 2012 at 5:49 pm Lance Manley- former STAB PROOF SCARECROW- 11*

        Why was he prosecuted in the first place? Was he not Standard trained?


        • on February 2, 2012 at 9:44 pm Asitis

          His driving was fairly tame compared to how we used to drive to catch the Ram Raiders back in the day. There is no such thing as a ‘safe pursuit’ in the circumstances this case relates to, because the cop should not be held accountable for actions of the scumbag crashing etc. The officer was doing what was required to the best of his ability and he did very well. All the scumbag in the SMV had to do was stop. So how do we make it safe?

          It’s simple, a no pursuit policy. If we are expected to pursue then there has to be better protection in law, even when it goes tits up. Personally, I would say to all the wannabe traffic cops out there…..don’t bother; in this day and age the price for getting it wrong are far too high. As for my colleagues who carry guns, well, don’t get me started, because I think they are mad to do so. Only my opinion etc.

          PS. Yes, I did the traffic thing for 10 years.


          • on February 2, 2012 at 10:02 pm presuming ed ****

            “…As for my colleagues who carry guns, well, don’t get me started, because I think they are mad to do so…”

            It is with a heavy heart that I fully agree with you. Likewise L2 (‘riot police’), and after this most recent debacle, advanced (traffic) and IRV (police response drivers) tickets.

            If we’re going to be held responsible if the bandit crashes when we pursue him (or someone higher doesn’t like the look of the in-car video), there’s only one option: no pursuit policy.

            Open question to the MoPs here: Is this what you want of us, when they’re making off from your house in your car after burgling it, or running over little Johnny as he walked home from school?

            Because if it isn’t, you need to be making your feelings known as that is where we are (very quickly) headed.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 9:36 pm Neighbourhood Insp

        Ultimately Gadget its the CPS who make that decision, not PSD,as well you know.
        In fact i know of several jobs that PSD supported by ACPO have recommended nfa but the CPS have proceeded anyway.


    • on February 2, 2012 at 5:07 pm SpecialC

      Nothing dangerous about the officer’s driving whatsoever! It is one of the mildest persuits I have ever seen – even cancelled the persuit at the railway crossing. The officer was doing his job and he gets dragged through this? I hope some heads roll…


    • on February 3, 2012 at 9:23 am Establishment Tool

      Sadly, justice was not done in this case.

      Had justice been done then the w*nker in the stolen vehicle would have been last seen disappearing at approx 60mph in a sideways direction underneath a freight train. But hey, you can’t win them all.


  21. on February 2, 2012 at 3:42 pm Mrs Doughnut

    “Could it be that the control room Insp, who would have authority of such things, maybe regretted not calling it of and decided to do a “pre-emptive” stike by sticking him on? Not entirely unbelievable.”

    How incredibly sad that comment is, but yes, night be the case…..


  22. on February 2, 2012 at 3:42 pm Wee Jock McTavish

    Off Topic

    FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST REFERENCE NO: HC/ 243 / 12
    The following request for information under the Freedom of Information Act was received by the Freedom of Information Section at Hampshire Constabulary on the 1st February 2012:

    Please supply the total cost of prosecuting Pc James Holden. Break down as follows: Cost to Hampshire Police in investigation of alleged Dangerous driving.
    Cost of trial.
    Further: Whether any complaint was made by member of public or was it instigated internally and on what specific grounds.

    Just thought I’d keep everyone in the picture.

    PS If anyone in Hampshire bothers to I.D. me from this I don’t give a fig.
    I’m now just an ordinary MOP and loving it


    • on February 2, 2012 at 3:49 pm Mrs Doughnut

      LOL very cool thing to do. How long do they have until they have to answer? :D


      • on February 2, 2012 at 4:03 pm Wee Jock McTavish

        Mrs D,

        20 days……….pity its so long, eh, but I’ve got all the time in the world!

        Sorry to rub it in!


        • on February 2, 2012 at 4:42 pm Mrs doughnut

          Well keep us posted…


    • on February 2, 2012 at 3:51 pm No Duff (was notsopc but is now, finally, verypc)

      Hants Fed have called out the Chief on Twitter, whose reply was;

      “this case will be carefully reviewed. Officers have my support in catching crims. Public must also be protected.”

      (review being lead by DCC)

      Of course, this and similar comments only come AFTER the bobby has been cleared and the force finds itself under a hail of (justified) criticism from all over.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 5:27 pm 72JOINER

        In my view the driving was clearly not dangerous.
        (I was an active pursuit driver for over 20 years)

        The DCC should not review this case as he is the Discipline Authority for the force and therefore responsible for the prosecution.

        The prosecution of the officer was severely flawed and should not have happened. The prosecution has brought the force into disrepute, and caused a severe loss of confidence in the force; in that the public now do not believe that officers will make all best efforts to provide them with a prompt response.

        The DCC is responsible for that and is therefore in breach of the code of conduct.

        Using the CPS as a scapegoat is ridiculous. They have no in house driving experts and rely on police expertise as to what and is not dangerous driving,

        A police problem is that to be an expert on what is dangerous in a pursuit, you first have to be trained, and also have recent and relevant experience of pursuit driving. With the greatest of respect to the Guv, generally only Constables and Sergeants are up to date with their driving skills.

        DPS have a great reluctance to consult such lowly officers and therefore make very poor decision makers in such cases.

        I would suggest no one could really claim expertise who had not been in over 50 or so pursuits.

        Does any one know who DPS used as an expert in this case?


        • on February 2, 2012 at 6:21 pm a polis man

          My personal take on this (and so could be very wrong) is

          The driving was excellent, smooth, measured and reactive to the conditions, No red mist hence the stop/abandonment at the level crossing.

          In fact a pursuit to be praised !!!!

          It is my feeling that the prosecution stems from the multiagency approach to road safety and abitary limits.

          I’ve heard several times from bosses and people returning from refreshers and driving courses things like “more than 30mph over the limit is dangerous driving”, “Go through a speed camera more than 30 mph over and you’ll get prosecuted”.

          When he goes through the speed camera he’s doing 61mph !!!!!!!! in what I presume is a 30 limit (i.e. street lights and I didn’t notice any repeater signs)

          I think it is on this basis that he has been prosecuted, a review of the pursuit footage shows speeds well in excess of 61 all apparently in 30 limits, there has been no objective evaluation of the driving or road conditions. I bet somewhere in the multiagency agreement it says ALL offences in excess of 30mph over the posted limit WILL be prosecuted.

          From there easy step to dangerous driving- Can’t prosecute the excess speed the PC clearly has the appropriate ticket and training and so even under the new laws has his legal exemption so the only option is the dangerous driving charge.

          Mind you given our local CPS I wouldn’t want to try to prosecute the PC’s driving if he was Jonny Scumbag!!!!


          • on February 2, 2012 at 6:59 pm ColinTheCop

            Interesting point, Up here in the frozen North, anyone doing 100mph or more (on a rural dual carriageway) gets done with a Sec2 Dangerous driving as well as excess speed.

            In a classic two-bites-of-the-cherry scenario. And they get convicted.

            I fail to see the logic, in that speed alone can be dangerous…. but the courts accept it. Always makes me think when i’m getting a tasty 3 figure speed on the same stretch of road.


            • on February 2, 2012 at 10:04 pm Me

              I’m pretty sure I remember a stated case from some years ago where a pol adv driver was prosecuted for dangerous driving due to excess speed only. Pretty sure he was found not guilty due to “speed in itself not being inherently dangerous.” with regard to this hants pursuit I can only think that maybe the ID of the driver was known so due to policy the pursuit should’ve been terminated as driver could have been nicked at later date.


              • on February 3, 2012 at 9:19 am R/T

                You’re right, I think. As I recall, it was shortly after “Reckless” became “Dangerous”. A Class 1 was chasing (sorry – “safely pursuing”) a bandit (sorry – “subject”) at 120+. The CPS prosecuted him in an attempt, so we all thought at the time, so that if he was found guilty then 120+ (or whatever it was) would be “Dangerous” per se and would be Case Law. The bobby was found Not Guilty so they had to keep trying. Bit of a test case I think.

                IG – I think it was in your part of the world.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 8:00 pm Shafted Bluenose

        If that’s the kind of support Hants top knobs are offering, I’d never ever engage in a pursuit ever again if I was in Hants. I’d probably extend thaqt to foot puirsuits too. Imagine chasing someone on foot, they trip over and smack their head on a piece of street furniture etc etc… where does it stop?


    • on February 2, 2012 at 7:04 pm presuming ed ****

      Nice.

      Don’t know if they’ll be able to provide info about court costs, but… nice. :)


      • on February 2, 2012 at 8:08 pm Wee Jock McTavishj

        Quick Google search estimates Crown Court at £7,400 per day but it’s not specific about what this covers.

        No doubt Hampshire PSD were there so there will be costs to the taxpayer and of course defence costs would be substantial. Be interesting to know what its cost Fed etc. if they provided legal backing which I assume they did.


        • on February 3, 2012 at 3:01 am idontliketoparty

          Im still waiting on my reply from Hants and CPS


    • on February 2, 2012 at 8:06 pm Bernie174

      As Hants are my local force now…And there is a traffic issue in my road, I thought they’d appriciate my helpful suggestion…

      “Is there any chance of putting some effort into stopping people failing to comply with the no right and left turn into Victoria Road Woolston from Weston Grove Road?
      Apart from it being dangerous, when people are waiting to turn out of Victoria road, the resulting traffic chaos when someone decideds to turn illegally into Victoria road is likely to end up in a punch up.
      I accept that Hants Police, like all Police Forces is subject to manpower and budget cuts, so perhaps your PSD could put a big hat on and do a few process. Afterall, they seem to found a liking for traffic offences. On the other hand, perhaps thats not a good idea, as they only report the innocent. “


      • on February 2, 2012 at 8:30 pm Wee Jock McTavishj

        Bernie 174

        Classic!


      • on February 2, 2012 at 8:37 pm presuming ed ****

        Class.

        Don’t expect a reply.


        • on February 2, 2012 at 8:45 pm Bernie174

          One thanks you…

          And somehow I doubted I get an answer, still, its difficult for them to argue


          • on February 2, 2012 at 9:41 pm presuming ed ****

            “Perhaps your PSD could put a big hat on and do a few process…”

            I do like…


    • on February 3, 2012 at 4:05 pm 20-1

      I was particularly annoyed by the quote from Hampshire:

      “It is important that the justice system is transparent and that police officers are subject to the same scrutiny as members of the public.”

      This has disturbing implications I think. Does that mean that if I use force against someone I should be automatically criminally investigated for assault, or that if I point my firearm at a person I should automatically be criminally investigated for a s.16a Firearms Act offence? After all I should be subject to the same scrutiny as members of the public…..


  23. on February 2, 2012 at 3:52 pm ACPO_Stink Tank

    I shamelessly nicked a paragraph from your blog to ask this guy a question.

    see his response, can he walk the walk once he hits reality of the interfering ACPO

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/localgovernment/2012/02/why-im-standing-as-police-and-crime-commissioner-for-north-yorkshire.html


    • on February 2, 2012 at 4:44 pm londonirvdriver

      will he really have that much influence?


    • on February 2, 2012 at 4:55 pm Shambles

      I dont understand how these ex-senior officers unashamedly state that we should ‘be a police force- everything else is second’, and ‘fight crime’ and then in the next breath say we need to ‘recognise the synergy’ and ‘embed police in communities’.

      Is this guy meant to be a parody of a senior officer? I can see how it could be quite clever humour. My only question for Peter Walker is why he believes he should be trusted to improve things given that he had his hand on the tiller when things were, according to his sudden epiphany, so bad?


      • on February 2, 2012 at 6:20 pm inspectorgadget

        Walker is a complete nutter. Please ignore him.


        • on February 3, 2012 at 9:56 am Government Thug

          He’s also a tory, so that proves it.


        • on February 3, 2012 at 1:58 pm SC Longago

          “Embed police in communities”. Isn’t that how PC Kennedy got into trouble?

          I’ll get my coat…


          • on February 3, 2012 at 4:13 pm PC Lightyear

            they dont like it up ‘em Mr Mainwaring

            ….. well it would appear some do!


  24. on February 2, 2012 at 3:52 pm Mrs Doughnut

    “Hampshire Constabulary said in a statement: ‘Following the outcome of this case we will identify any organisational learning that comes out of it”

    Ah well, that’s all right then…..


  25. on February 2, 2012 at 4:15 pm The Station Sergeant

    It makes a change from the bosses getting the rubberheelers to investigate us I suppose…


  26. on February 2, 2012 at 4:30 pm wmidplod

    47 TH,Pathetic really!!
    I was reading just before new post then popped out god dammit.
    Anyway I hope the zealots who “outed” nightjack get their comeuppance,although I won’t hold my breath.


  27. on February 2, 2012 at 4:32 pm Guardianreader

    I posed this question the other day but it got lost in the ether ,

    ‘ Did the stabbing of 4 met lads recently get referred to the health and safety exec to investigate why the organisation failed to have in place sufficient safeguards that resulted in serious injury to employees in the workplace? ‘ (ie taser).

    It could be like prosecuting Al capone for tax evasion , if public pressure wont make ‘em supply it then maybe a hefty fine will…..


  28. on February 2, 2012 at 4:47 pm londonirvdriver

    top 50?

    Glad the met doesn’t stick cameras on the front of our cars. I can only imagine the office dwellers squirming in obvious discomfort as they watch what we have to do to get through the traffic and hit our response times.

    I’ve watched the video. I didn’t see anything to warrant the charge, or the unbelievable time and money waste that followed it.

    I’m sure most of the public want us to do our jobs, to chase and catch criminals like this Bibby bloke. And until we put a chip in everyone’s head so we can track them via GPS, I don’t know that we have a better option!


    • on February 2, 2012 at 4:57 pm Eeyore

      ahem….

      http://www.policeoracle.com/news/New-Generation-Police-Cars-Under-Two-Years-Away_44310.html


      • on February 2, 2012 at 5:14 pm Tim

        Very nice.
        We have just been told we are getting a gps phone thing. It tracks the car, then calls in when we enter a specific patrol area, to save us the 30 second task of updating the directed patrol sheets. This very expensive tech is definitely not because they dont trust us to drive past that vulnerable drug dealers house twice a day to keep him safe from the guy he stabbed.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 5:20 pm Wee Jock McTavish

        ACPO Project…..and who exactly is paying the project officers mentioned?

        I bet I can guess who isn’t! If I come across as a cynic that would be because I am!


        • on February 2, 2012 at 6:15 pm londonirvdriver

          yeah, exactly, cos we need to spend loadsa money on expensive underpinning electronics capable of “influencing driver behaviour”

          we have gps in our cars and allegedly in our radios… it isn’t massively reliable. I still check street signs as I drive around, I still tell the rest of my time when I get on scene to any call where I might need back up.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 9:55 pm Twelvelegs

        Fuck me, all i want is a cell in the back, not velor seats, so the fucktards can’t fight/spit at me. ACPO, wankers the lot of them.


    • on February 2, 2012 at 6:18 pm PC Lightyear

      Safer Driving 3 incorporates Probida cameras in area cars


      • on February 2, 2012 at 7:03 pm ColinTheCop

        Did safer driver 1 & 2 fail then…?


      • on February 3, 2012 at 8:42 am Chewie

        ProViDa is fantastic. Seriously.

        Shows complainants up for the liars they are.


        • on February 3, 2012 at 12:56 pm PC Lightyear

          I wouldnt go as far as ‘fantastic’.

          It’s certainly useful, though being forced to have the microphones on inside the car at all times I think is wrong. Being constantly voice recorded at work is crap and stifling.

          Also having a provida tape played in court and hearing “Cor look at the buttons on her!” for example is cringeworthy


    • on February 3, 2012 at 10:00 am Government Thug

      If they put cameras in the cars it’d soon stop EK bobbies blue-lighting up Kentish Town road to get back to the nick for refs or home-time. I used to regularly bollock my boys and girls for blatantly turning into the road behind the nick having done it. It’s just so obvious, it gets the public annoyed and if they had a bump they would get slaughtered.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 12:57 pm PC Lightyear

        Ahhh so youre a former EK bod then, interesting……

        We may have met!


        • on February 3, 2012 at 4:49 pm ColinTheCop

          Smithy…?

          No, actually I seem to think he may have quit and joined the water fairies.


  29. on February 2, 2012 at 5:12 pm Before the war

    Why should you scum be granted anonymity?


    • on February 2, 2012 at 5:17 pm Eeyore

      Is that a verbatim quote from the original Nightjack judge’s summary or have you paraphrased?


      • on February 2, 2012 at 5:22 pm Wee Jock McTavish

        Eeyore

        No chance of the troll understanding those big words


    • on February 2, 2012 at 5:23 pm vinster

      Is that the same anonymity you are enjoying??…just saying


    • on February 2, 2012 at 8:35 pm presuming ed ****

      Give us your real name, date of birth and address, and your question might just have some worth.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 8:45 pm Before the war

        Derek G Haslam, Nov 1947, 9, Lynn Rd, Southery, Downham Market, PE38, 0HU. Now Ed, your turn…


        • on February 2, 2012 at 9:35 pm presuming ed ****

          There you go – the usual phoney address trotted out by the repeatedly irritating, if not harmless, waste of skin. Your address has been trotted out, researched and established to be (another) cheap little fib before, dear. Must try harder, you walt.


          • on February 3, 2012 at 11:18 am Before the war

            Ed, the name and address are real. It is that of a child porn enthusiast who is ex Met. How queer that he has not been arrested.


            • on February 3, 2012 at 12:55 pm presuming ed ****

              sorry, are you advocating anonymity (yours) or decrying it (everyone else’s)?


        • on February 3, 2012 at 9:08 am Molestrangler

          Southery is quite nice. Almost moved to a new bungalow there 3 years ago. Didn’t like the residents, though!


    • on February 3, 2012 at 8:43 am Chewie

      Hello again Ciaran.


  30. on February 2, 2012 at 5:24 pm MPS(n)P

    From the Telegraph letter’s page, regarding Fred the Shred and his pension:

    SIR – The stripping of Mr Goodwin’s knighthood is not a punishment but the correction of a previous error. The knighthood was awarded specifically for “services to banking”. It is only right and proper, therefore, that when it became apparent that he had actually done nothing for banking – quite the opposite, in fact – his award was withdrawn.
    To call for the withdrawal of his pension, however, is vindictive and should be considered only when such actions are commonplace in other walks of life.

    Terry Lloyd
    Derby

    Pretty sure we can have our pensions ‘withdrawn’ following a ‘public confidence’ witchhunt?


    • on February 2, 2012 at 7:09 pm 72JOINER

      Police Pension can only be forfeited following criminal conviction.
      The rules are complex and open to legal argument and have changed following appeal court decisions on levels of forfeiture.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 4:12 pm theycantgetmenow

        Don’t forget that a commutation amount might be subject to a confiscation order, and under the civil part of the Proceeds of Crime Act there are ways of getting the remaider.


  31. on February 2, 2012 at 5:35 pm Pocket Notebook Boy (@ItDaFiveOh)

    http://www.polfed.org/constables.asp


    • on February 2, 2012 at 5:54 pm Lance Manley- former STAB PROOF SCARECROW- 11*

      Off topic but important (at least to me).

      If, hypothetically speaking, an ACC of an ex-cop’s old farce had sent a letter to officers and staff that the ACC and his wingmen had “identified” in a book the ex cop had written, which basically said “pay no attention to the nasty man”. Then could, hypothetically speaking, the ex cop get a copy of this legendary letter through an FOI request to the hypothetical farce in question?


      • on February 2, 2012 at 6:24 pm Pocket Notebook Boy (@ItDaFiveOh)

        I’m having a Beavis and Butthead moment here, and walking around going ‘Er… er…’. In other words, I have no idea.

        I thought FOI requests provide details/stats/summaries, but not necessarily the actual documents. Also, if any documents are produced, any and all information can be redacted.

        I’m probably wrong. I usually am about most things (except porn and cigars).


        • on February 2, 2012 at 6:48 pm Eeyore

          Yes, you can FOI it and get it.


          • on February 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm Lance Manley- former STAB PROOF SCARECROW- 11*

            Just FOI-ed it. Tone of the ACPO missive was apparently “pay no attention the nasty man”.

            Official line cops in my old farce were told to adopt was “gitface was only in for 3 years, so he can’t form an opinion just from that!”

            Love to see PSD’s face tommorrow morning when they open that email.


        • on February 3, 2012 at 5:09 pm PC Lightyear

          So youre a cigar porn expert?

          You are Bill Clinton and I claim my £5!


  32. on February 2, 2012 at 6:07 pm Tired Cop

    A retired businessman today won more than £20,000 damages from police who smashed his car windows for driving without a seatbelt.
    Grandfather Robert Whatley, 73, was pulled over in his Range Rover in 2009 and expected the officer to gently knock on his window.
    But one policeman hit the glass 15 times with his baton – while another climbed onto the bonnet to kick in the windscreen of the £60,000 car.

    t was all captured on a video camera mounted inside the police’s own patrol car as Mr Whatley was stopped in a quiet country lane.
    The video was obtained by his legal team and later posted on YouTube – and has been seen by more than 30 million people worldwide.

    Gwent Police paid Mr Whatley compensation for the ‘post-traumatic stress disorder’ he suffered at the hands of the two PCs.
    Former property developer Mr Whatley was arrested at the scene, charged with driving without a seatbelt and failing to stop for police. He was found guilty and fined a total of £235.

    But Mr Whatley had the last laugh – when Gwent Police agreed to pay an out-of-court settlement and his legal fees.
    The force also paid for repairs to his black Range Rover costing £9,800.
    Mr Whatley, of Usk, Monmouthshire, said: ‘The police went completely over the top – you would have thought I had robbed a bank
    ‘I was terrified when they started smashing in the window and trying to kick in the windscreen.
    ‘I feel the rogue officers were too quick to turn to aggression. I brought this claim as a matter of principle and not for compensation.’
    Mr Whatley, who was recovering after he suffered a stroke, admitted not wearing a seatbelt because he had been reversing earlier.

    A family spokesman said yesterday: ‘It is incredible that police in Britain can behave in this way – they put an elderly man in fear of his life.
    ‘We sued the police because unfortunately there has been some lasting psychological damage.
    ‘Most people are not in the financial position, or are too scared, to take on the police.
    ‘But we were not prepared to back down – and it is highly significant that the police have paid up without a fight.
    ‘With their own legal costs we estimated this has cost them more than £100,000.’
    The two Pcs, who have not been named, were removed from front-line duty and were subject to an internal disciplinary hearing held behind closed doors.
    But they pair were allowed back on duty after being cleared of any wrong-doing.
    Gwent Police said the two officers ‘met the highest standards of professional behaviour’.
    The force yesterday confirmed it had paid Mr Whatley compensation without admitting liability.
    Mr Whatley’s solicitor Nogah Ofer said: ‘This payment shows up the police disciplinary system as a cosy club in which police officers’ explanations are accepted unquestioningly.
    ‘It follows threats by Mr Whatley’s lawyers to bring civil proceedings for excessive use of force.
    ‘It comes in stark contrast to the findings of an internal police disciplinary panel in June 2011 which concluded that the officers’ actions were entirely justified.
    ‘An out of court settlement demonstrates that the force was concerned that an independent court would reach the opposite conclusion.
    ‘Police support for officers who act in this way does little for public confidence in the police complaints system.’

    Da ily Mai l 02/02/12


    • on February 2, 2012 at 6:21 pm londonirvdriver

      WTF?

      so basically the force have cleared their officers of wrongdoing and yet paid out compensation

      surely it has to go one way or the other?!


    • on February 2, 2012 at 6:21 pm PC Lightyear

      “This payment shows up the police disciplinary system as a cosy club in which police officers’ explanations are accepted unquestioningly.”

      Clearly this man is a fool for this opinion


    • on February 2, 2012 at 6:27 pm inspectorgadget

      But Mr Whatley had the last laugh

      Laugh at who? the local council tax payers who will inevitably foot the bill via the police precept?

      Col Jessup speech needed NOW!


      • on February 2, 2012 at 8:00 pm Ian

        If officers were personally liable,instances such as this would be few and far between thereby saving the council tax payers having to foot the bill for such behaviour,


        • on February 3, 2012 at 3:58 pm inspectorgadget

          and nothing would ever get done……


      • on February 2, 2012 at 8:05 pm Uncivilised Servant

        Colonel who?


        • on February 2, 2012 at 8:18 pm presuming ed ****

          If that’s not a waaahhh:

          http://youtu.be/5j2F4VcBmeo


          • on February 2, 2012 at 9:39 pm Uncivilised Servant

            Ahh! Thank you and I’ll move on as the good Colonel suggests.


    • on February 2, 2012 at 7:46 pm Don Esteban

      All the silly old b*stard had to do was STOP !
      as he is lawfully obliged to do, it isn’t OPTIONAL last time I checked and do as he was told………………simples.

      The officers did NOTHING wrong.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 8:34 am Jack Regan

        When the doddery old tosspot eventually stopped, having been chased for some time by blues/twos/flashing headlamps/huge police sign on bonnet of car,the officer should have said “I am seizing your licence Mr Dozy Bastard……..as you have so ably demonstrated, you are far too stupid to be allowed to drive anything on a public highway………have a good day sir”


        • on February 3, 2012 at 12:38 pm Chewie

          The vile Mail forgets to mention that he stopped, got told he was getting a ticket, then drove off knocking a PC over at the start of this pursuit. The man is clearly a parliament-worthy weapons grade liar with a lawyer even more bereft of integrity than usual.

          A court heard yesterday that Mr Whatley, right, was originally pulled over in a country lane in Monmouthshire by traffic police who tried to issue him with a fine for not wearing a seat belt.

          But when an officer went round to the passenger side, the car “lurched” forward and he was knocked over.

          Mr Whatley told Caerphilly magistrates court, South Wales, that he “then drove off because he thought the matter had been dealt with, felt ‘frail and vulnerable’ and was worried he would suffer another stroke.”

          The police followed him for 17 minutes, during which time he did not break the speed limit. Mr Whatley said “he thought the blue lights and siren of the police car meant the officers were giving him an escort home.”

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1300608/Robert-Whatleys-car-window-smashed-OAP-dragged-police-officers.html


          • on February 3, 2012 at 1:00 pm PC Lightyear

            Clearly another snooty chap who thinks Police should not dare to stop him and should only deal with others.

            It’s because we’re below stairs you know…..


          • on February 3, 2012 at 2:10 pm SC Longago

            Today’s Torygraph gives the same story. Mrs Longago believed it until I told her about Chewie’s comments above. We were once the subject of a media story about one of our PCs allegedly arresting a cyclist for riding without lights. Only The Sun (of all papers) bothered to check the facts – the arrest was because said cyclist threw his bike at the PC after being stopped – and decided not to publish the story because the arrest was well deserved. The rest all published the story with only half of the facts. Hey, ho.


          • on February 3, 2012 at 4:06 pm MPS(n)P

            Wasn’t just the Mail who chose not to mention all the negative aspects of the awful little man’s behaviour – every major outlet that I read this morning ignored the fact he’d effectively run a PC over – despite all reporting it at the time.

            Yet more anti-police briefing on someone’s behalf, no doubt!


  33. on February 2, 2012 at 6:21 pm riversidemale

    I have just watched the whole videoand can see nothing wrong what so ever and i was a qualified fast car driver in the Met. This officer appears to me to use a lot of common sense and skill when driving. The complete opposite of the charge. The jury need to be thanked for using their common sense and reaching the right result.
    I think something needs to be done about the officers who recommended charges and the CPS person who reviewed the file and also recommended charges. However that wont happen becasue he/she will be above the rank of Ch.Insp. and the club stick together.
    I would suggest that officers think twice about doing anything other than taking calls on the radio or through the in car computer (CAD), dont go looking for work becasue it is clear to see that they dont want you using your policing skills and chasing scum with previous convictions let alone catching them.
    In the case of the Hampshire PC is it just coincidence that his brother in law writes under the name of Winston Bugle. He wrote a book called Bobby’s Run about a corrupt investigation by the forces complaints department. Winston is also a former PC. Just a thought but maybe he just upset someone by writing tghis book and it was pay back time. I hope i’m wrong but I wouldn’t put any money on it.
    Good Luck to you and your family mate and keep your chin up dont let the Bast_ _ _ s get you down.


  34. on February 2, 2012 at 6:29 pm riversidemale

    Tired Cop

    If what you have written is right then we are in big trouble. those officers actions were clearly not right and the payout by the Police would indicate that they knew that to be the case. However to then have Gwent Police say the two officers ‘met the highest standards of professional behaviour’. is just wrong and gives the press an oppotunity to have a field day. The problem of course is who gave the staement usually a press officer (Civilian).


    • on February 2, 2012 at 6:51 pm jaded

      Made me cross this story. This man did not gently pull over and get attacked for no reason.He has previous for not stopping and is an arrogant git.

      Google this man and the original story and it will all become clear.

      Can you imagine this incident and the DPS not licking their lips at the thought of sacking two experienced PC’s?

      Even by the Daily Mail’s anti-police standards this is a new low.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 6:54 pm inspectorgadget

        Shame they didn’t have a stinger option.


        • on February 2, 2012 at 7:01 pm thebinarysurfer

          Gwent police is a force I know very, very well. Short version; disastrously run force in many, many ways and has been for some time.

          My money is on both PC’s being posted on some crap duty until they quit; that’s normally how they do their firing.

          Also, it may not have been right or it may have been right. All I do know is that the yanks wouldn’t have blinked an eye about smashing in the window if he failed to comply with an order to stop / turn the engine off etc, and I think ironically despite their having imported large chunks of our policing model over the last few hundred years, we now need to import large chunks of theirs!


          • on February 2, 2012 at 8:55 pm Shafted Bluenose

            I once saw a USA cops n robbers video with a bloke who had nicked a military tank. Once he grounded it on the central reservation and could go nowhere he started rotating the turret. So the cop opened the hatch and executed him with a single shot. Job done. And sheriff Jon Bunnel (retired) seemed to think the cop had done the right thing and had no choice. So I should think a smashed window would be the least of their worries if it came to a Range Rover failing to stop.


    • on February 2, 2012 at 10:39 pm Taff Taff

      Riverside male,

      Just to let you know that the full story regarding that old guy and the Gwent police officers has not been told. I have a good contact there and what has not been reported is that this old git was initially pulled for no seat belt. As the officer is leaning into his vehicle to issue the ticket the guy drivers off having no thought for the officer and the consequences could have been dreadful. I did care how old anybody is but if they drive off whilst I’m attached to their vehicle I’m not going to be happy and I will use extreme methods to ensure they are not a threat to me.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 10:40 pm Taff Taff

        I did care should be don’t care


  35. on February 2, 2012 at 6:56 pm thebinarysurfer

    Saw it on the BBC about a week ago buried far down one of politics pages bizarrely…

    Laughed my arse off at Patrick ‘Disciplined for hacking an email account then fired for general gross misconduct barely weeks later’ Foster getting his commupance for that journalistic miscarrige that was the exposure of what was effectively an anonymous whistleblower.

    If I were Nightjack i’d be instructing a lawyer to begin a civil prosecution already; who knows how much damage his exposure did to his career prospects?


    • on February 2, 2012 at 6:59 pm inspectorgadget

      Not much, I think he’s been promoted since!

      OT but:

      Do the media REALLY not know the Chris Huhne & Vicky Pryce CPS result yet? Maybe Leveson pressure has ‘taken out’ all their sources!


      • on February 2, 2012 at 7:04 pm thebinarysurfer

        Glad to hear he’s done alright out of it anyway.

        Thought you guys would like this one, heard it at work today:

        Leveson; the press equivalent of the Rodney King beatings!


        • on February 2, 2012 at 10:09 pm presuming ed ****

          He hasn’t done alright out of it. He’s done alright despite it (but I take your point:))


  36. on February 2, 2012 at 7:07 pm Bob

    Went to a domestic recently. Ex sent a text to her stating ‘ Hi where are you living’. She felt threatened by this called us. She has kids,four different fathers but that is her right. I went back to the station for this non event to log it ‘just in case’ (in reality arse covering by those bankers who manage us) it might surprise you MOPs out there but our manager don’t give a flying buck about you.

    90 minutes later I was back on the street,just ONE minor job took over two hours including the visit. The next week her ex was back home shagging her and giving her heroin.


    • on February 2, 2012 at 7:17 pm feral

      And what’s that got to do with you or your opinions?

      Did you not know that this is what policing is about or did you have a fantasy about it being another way?


      • on February 2, 2012 at 7:37 pm PC Lightyear

        Bit of an unnecessary snap there feral.


        • on February 2, 2012 at 7:44 pm feral

          Maybe so. Always pleased to hear from you Buzz.x


      • on February 2, 2012 at 8:11 pm F

        Kapow! – sound of your sarcasm deflecting of my arm guards


        • on February 2, 2012 at 8:20 pm feral

          Very funny. Have you got a deflector when you are called a sex offender? Just asking as apparently that’s what I am.


          • on February 2, 2012 at 8:33 pm F

            Yep they also deflect being bullied at school, the kids getting cancer and some bloke shagging my wife whilst I’m on nights :0)


            • on February 2, 2012 at 8:38 pm feral

              Where can I buy them? Oh, wait, I am just going to pop out to the garage and russle them up. Laters.


              • on February 2, 2012 at 8:58 pm Shafted Bluenose

                Don’t go on as if it wasn’t you who made the hilarious suggestion that we should be using forearm knife deflectors. We’re all still howling gleefully at that one, and your credibility still lies in shreds.


                • on February 3, 2012 at 1:37 am feral

                  W.D.Y.G.F.Y? :)


                  • on February 3, 2012 at 11:53 am Shafted Bluenose

                    BMX & ASBO


                    • on February 3, 2012 at 3:55 pm feral

                      Nothing worse than a twat thinking they are smart.
                      Idiot.


                    • on February 3, 2012 at 11:31 pm Shafted Bluenose

                      Er…. you should know?


                  • on February 4, 2012 at 12:02 pm F

                    Your comments cannot harm me – my wings are like a shield of steel!


                    • on February 5, 2012 at 10:46 am Shafted Bluenose

                      F.U.N.E.M? I.L.F.M.N.X.N.T.4.2 :-)


                    • on February 5, 2012 at 2:57 pm F

                      Shall I be mother?


                    • on February 6, 2012 at 8:21 pm Shafted Bluenose

                      Hatchet buried? Shall I get you a bandage? :-)


    • on February 2, 2012 at 9:18 pm Shafted Bluenose

      Hope you did the full 36 or is it 37 point DASH form


  37. on February 2, 2012 at 7:14 pm Special Dibble

    So duties have organised 2 PCs from ET, LT and NT to cell watch the idiot who won’t poo. FFS! So fucking boring! I’ve spent half this week waiting for that moron to shit! We know he has a shitload of crack up there…. Seriously no puns intended


    • on February 3, 2012 at 1:17 am shipped to Aus

      Half a week! I’m a once a day man myself although I have heard of some having a weekly.


    • on February 3, 2012 at 12:09 pm Mrs Doughnut

      slip him some laxatives in his cuppa?


  38. on February 2, 2012 at 7:17 pm inspectorgadget

    ** LIMITED EDITION** Ruralshire Public Order Tee.
    http://www.freewebs.com/inspectorgadget/apps/webstore/products/show/2744649


    • on February 2, 2012 at 7:38 pm PC Lightyear

      I’ll have one.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 1:02 pm PC Lightyear

        Can I have a wristband with it though? :D


    • on February 2, 2012 at 7:51 pm Special Dibble

      No job, no cash! I have the ruralshire tshirt though…..


    • on February 2, 2012 at 8:07 pm F

      What! with everyone handing in public order tickets?
      Well I could wear it gardening I suppose.


  39. on February 2, 2012 at 7:18 pm Wee Jock McTavish

    Another episode of we’re all in it together

    The Head of the Student Loans Company did a deal with the Government to allow his £182,000 Salary to be paid into a private company thus avoiding payment of N.I. or Income Tax.


    • on February 2, 2012 at 8:43 pm WhothefckamI

      Tell Harry Redknapp it might cheer him up


      • on February 2, 2012 at 8:49 pm WhothefckamI

        Oh and Danny Alexander who signed off the deal and possibly lots of others says he didn’t know about the tax bit. Lol and he’s supposed to be the Chief Secretary to the Treasury.

        “We’re all in it together” eh!

        Well Danny you’re certainly in it now.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 1:55 pm Not Good Enough

        LoL!


  40. on February 2, 2012 at 7:22 pm JuliaM

    “…the local shop need to stop selling them discounted alcohol…”

    Eh..?

    You expect the shop to know the intimate details of their customers and more to the point, be responsible for the actions taken with anything they sell them?

    Have you been sniffing your CS spray?


    • on February 2, 2012 at 7:27 pm inspectorgadget

      What? You think the local shop owners don’t know who the local shits are and why they are always pissed-up? Most of the ASB happens on their own doorstep from idiots THEY sold the booze to in the first place. Then they call US to sort it out. YCMIU.


      • on February 2, 2012 at 8:58 pm thebinarysurfer

        IG is right. I used to regularly cut through a sink estate on the way to / from work circa a fair few years back (it cut 20m off my travel alright?). Every single night the same scrotes staggering into the local offie and picking a fight with the owner. The local coppers attended so many scraps there it became known as ‘fight club’ locally rather than by the shop’s name!


        • on February 2, 2012 at 9:17 pm presuming ed ****

          Hush your mouth. JuliaM is a Gaurniad quoting Tory who thinks it is quite correct that police officers should be offered no protection (as is offered to her) in law from verbal abuse and threats. Who can argue with such righteousness?


        • on February 3, 2012 at 6:40 am Ena

          Ins. Gadget and the binary surfer :
          So the fact that the police are aware of licensing offences and choose not to enforce the legislation is whose fault exactly?


          • on February 3, 2012 at 9:12 am clickerville

            Ena, has an offence been committed by the shop if, unknown to the staff/proprietor, the underage tossers get an overage tosser to buy for them? Police can’t easily stop that. I know the proxy commits an offence, but……….


          • on February 3, 2012 at 4:15 pm inspectorgadget

            ‘enforce the legislation’

            ha, ha, been to court recently and seen what the penalties are?

            there is no enforcement in the yookay

            made me laugh. thanks.

            also, the old liberal/left argument that something is OK unless someone does something about it. Social responsibility, that’s the name of the game please.


            • on February 3, 2012 at 4:46 pm Retgorseg

              Indeed Sir,

              One of the great myths, perpetuated by the Daily Mail and many a pub bore thoughout the land.

              There are virtually no criminals (and by criminal I mean your volume offenders- the burglars/car thieves/violent drunks et al) who have not been caught, charged and convicted several times. The problem is what happens to them once they are convicted. There is nothing we can do about that yet we get the blame for how pathetic it is.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 5:47 am JuliaM

        So, you’ll be round to the local Ford garage when some nutter uses his car as a weapon? Swoop on Debenham’s homewear dept when Wayne smothers Shaznay with a pillow or knifes her with the kitchen Sabatier?

        Lay the responsibility where it is deserved – with the people who do illegal things, not the legal business selling items that are used by those people.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 9:08 am clickerville

        Absolutely, Gadget! Our local neds drink and act up outside the local Tesco boozerie. There was a time teens purchased and drank their alcohol discreetly, so their parents didn’t get a tip-off from friends and neighbours. Now the teens don’t care. Drink has become too easily and cheaply available, partly, at least a T. Blair legacy, partly the break down in society.
        Can’t you take them down a dark alley and remonstrate? Must be tempting!


        • on February 3, 2012 at 3:49 pm GrrrArg

          I can sniff out a bottle of vodka in an under age pocket at 30 paces. I never found a use for that skill until now.

          The shop keeper on our swamp has more to worry about given his recent S.A on a minor in his camera’d up shop. Eejut.


  41. on February 2, 2012 at 8:45 pm Wee Jock McTavishj

    And so it rolls on:

    A watchdog has announced a review of the way it deals with deaths in police custody following a BBC investigation.

    BBC Radio 4′s File on 4 programme found that official figures understated the number of people who die in custody after being restrained by police.

    The Independent Police Complaints Commission said the review would look at its approach to such cases.

    Commons Home Affairs Committee chairman Keith Vaz said the BBC’s findings were concerning and called for an inquiry.

    IPCC chief executive Jane Furniss said: “The IPCC is intending to carry out a review of its work in cases where Article 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights is engaged. The review will look at the IPCC’s powers, resources and approach to dealing with these cases”

    Jane Furniss IPCC chief executive

    “These are case where a death has occurred either during or after contact with the police. The review will look at the IPCC’s powers, resources and approach to dealing with these cases.”

    BBC 2nd February 2012


    • on February 2, 2012 at 8:59 pm presuming ed ****

      Did they also do a study into how many people we manage to keep alive during their time in custody, despite the effects of their high drug and alcohol dependency, disease-ridden bodies and severe mental health problems?


      • on February 2, 2012 at 9:01 pm thebinarysurfer

        Lets be candid; half your ‘clients’ have serious health issues anyway (read: drug addicts, career alcies etc), frankly it’s a miracle more of them don’t die given the odds of the more serious substance abusers expiring at any given moment!


        • on February 2, 2012 at 9:13 pm presuming ed ****

          My point exactly. Taking into account the hundreds of thousands of disease-ridden alcoholics and drug addicts, already at death’s door, who come through custody, the police should be congratulated for keeping so many alive, not hauled over the coals for the few that happen to exit this mortal coil while enjoying our microwave chilli con carne, hot chocolate and clean tracksuit bottoms.


          • on February 2, 2012 at 9:24 pm mincechop

            Hope it is Halal chilli con carne.

            Diversity box ticked.


            • on February 2, 2012 at 9:26 pm presuming ed ****

              Ooohh, someone’s studying for their part 2…


              • on February 2, 2012 at 9:36 pm mincechop

                He he he.

                Pasties for ours!


  42. on February 2, 2012 at 8:48 pm wmidplod

    The price of alcohol makes little difference,if it’s too expensive they will turn to Heroin and crack as that is /or will become cheaper.
    People chose this lifestyle and trying to tax them out of choosing it won’t work.


    • on February 2, 2012 at 8:59 pm thebinarysurfer

      It’s not about price, it’s about shopkeepers taking some bloody responsibility and refusing to sell it to the regular troublemakers. Fine if they want to go home and drink themselves to death quietly, but why keep selling it to the ones that end up smashing your windows / pissing on your floor?


      • on February 3, 2012 at 5:49 am JuliaM

        Because shopkeepers have to make a living?


        • on February 3, 2012 at 8:59 am Chewie

          Actually I’d be quite happy if the law merely recognised that if you choose to get bladdered, get in to a fight, then choke on your own vomit, it’s your own stupid fault.


        • on February 3, 2012 at 11:59 pm thebinarysurfer

          Sorry I didn’t realise there was such a big profit margin on extra-cheap-cut-price extra-strong piss in a bottle!


  43. on February 2, 2012 at 8:56 pm Serf

    Dear I-G may I suggest that your work is indeed done here. I’m not being rude or disrespectful BUT how many times can you bang your head against that ever taller and thicker metaphorical brick wall? Nothing is going to get any better, nothing will change for the good and poor old PC Lightyear will get even more hysterical before his head blows off from his shoulders. This country is crazy. The two recent terrorism trials are testament to that. Incredible – we actually allow these fuckers to go to terrorism academies in Belmarsh and the like and then subsidise their activities and training abroad by the benefits system. I admire your stamina but (A) The UK is fucked – it will be only one kingdom soon anyway, and (B) the job is fucked – it has been since the early 90′s and has just got steadily more bonkers and useless.

    My advice? take the money on the 20th of every month (if you are MPS), do the minimum hours you can, head down, don’t volunteer and see if you can get enough skills for a better job outside eventually banking what is still a very good pension – even after that creepy Winsor c*unt fucks it all up – with the help of the Blue Labor party.

    How come Baroness Uddin is still in the HoL’s – that should be the real barometer of just how fucked the country is.


    • on February 4, 2012 at 2:29 am PC Lightyear

      You really are a total nipple.


      • on February 4, 2012 at 2:32 am PC Lightyear

        PS- There will be no police pension after 2015. Winsor/Hutton’s recommendations for changes in contributions will be irrelevant as CamerTwunt has already said that he WILL abolish the police pension schemes within the term of this parliament.


  44. on February 2, 2012 at 9:04 pm Civ_In_The_City

    “Senior managers read the performance data quick enough though.”

    I always believed the idea that you have to spend your whole budget this year, or else it gets cut the next year, was a sure-fire way to ensure that money was p*ssed up against the wall on any old shiny sh*t.

    But it still happens.

    Now, companies and corporations are being told not to just go for short term profits all the time, they need to plan ahead, invest in the future, construct a sustainable base and build on it gradually.

    Chief Constable`s have been trying to run police forces like corporations for years now which is where all the stats and ‘performance culture’ and ‘continual improvement’ comes in. They aren`t allowed to make financial profits (no more than 5% income from commercial ventures I think) so they look for the Chief Constable form of ‘profits’ which is: Good looking statistics.

    But, like the corporations they model themselves on, they only want short-term profits.

    Getting good looking stats, however short-term, is like paying themselves a share bonus which is cashable against future earnings. Soon enough they`ll be off to a higher post in another force.

    Like the bankers who ended up not knowing who was actually carrying the risks of those sub-prime borrowers, the Chiefs will be sitting pretty on a pile of money and fake puffed-up glory while the people left behind are trying to pick up the pieces for decades to come.

    Give me a Chief Officer who will sign on the dotted line for a 10 year stint in one place, forget the stats and the glory and the promotions boards, and I`ll bet he or she could achieve something truly deserving of a QPM.


    • on February 2, 2012 at 10:27 pm guthrie

      See what happens when you promote people who want to be promoted, rather than who want to do their job well. The two are not the same…


  45. on February 2, 2012 at 11:06 pm Pathe

    Just my two pennorth…..

    1. I suggest we campaign to bring back the Policing Pledge (reverse psychology as The Home Sec was against it). We know it hasn’t gone away….a rose by any other name and all that. So when i say bring it back, what i mean is show it is still bleeding there. Easier to get rid of our pay than our bureacracy.

    2. Leading on from the above, a campaign to show that our leaders should lead from/at the front. A percentage target time of single-crewing patrol for them so they can show us just how we should be expected to do the job. Who knows, might lead to them earning our respect…not that it seems to be a current issue for them.

    3. Death in Custody/Contact needs to be compared with NHS Hospitals. The NHS kills far more people than us so some comparisons need to be shown for balance. And it’s not like too many of their deaths are as a result of the deceased trying to kill their staff. Hasn’t Stafford Hospital now wound up it’s A&E ?


    • on February 2, 2012 at 11:29 pm Mikey S

      Good post.


  46. on February 2, 2012 at 11:14 pm davethedog

    O/T How this comes over will be interesting:

    14:15 Mon 6th Feb
    Afternoon Play
    Blue Flu
    Contemporary drama exploring the ‘what if’ scenario of a police strike.


  47. on February 3, 2012 at 2:06 am All cars channel south

    We will see whether or not the CPS decides to prosecute Chris Huhne today.

    My money is on it being “not in the public interest.”


    • on February 3, 2012 at 10:50 am JuliaM

      You just lost your money…


      • on February 3, 2012 at 5:29 pm All cars channel south

        What the Dickens!?!?!


  48. on February 3, 2012 at 6:00 am Chris

    If a (junior) officer breached Data Protection Law in a similar fashion, how would he or she be treated?

    Blundering Met sends email addresses of 1,000 crime victims to strangers
    · ‘Human error’ to blame for details being inserted in the wrong box of an email sent by Scotland Yard
    The Metropolitan Police accidentally shared the email addresses of more than 1,000 victims of crime with others, it emerged today.
    The mistake occurred when ‘human error’ led to their details being inserted in the wrong box of an email sent by the Met to distribute a quality control survey.
    This was sent to 1,136 people in seven batches, meaning the email addresses of those affected were seen by up to 198 people.
    A Scotland Yard spokesman said: ‘We can confirm that the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has inadvertently shared the email addresses of a number of victims of crime with other victims.
    ‘The sharing of the data was the result of human error and occurred on Monday January 30 when the Crime Recording and Investigation Bureau (Crib) project was emailing out a survey to ensure that victims were receiving a better service as part of the MPS creation of a single telephone investigation unit for London.
    ‘In total, 1,136 emails were sent out in seven batches of between 119 and 198 recipients but because the addresses were put in the wrong box they were visible to the other recipients in the batch.
    ‘No other personal details were revealed and we are contacting everyone affected to explain what happened and to apologise.’
    The Met said it was reviewing how it carries out surveys to avoid similar mistakes being made in the future.
    Nick Pickles, director of privacy group Big Brother Watch, said: ‘The fact that technology makes it easier to make mistakes does not excuse the mistakes.
    ‘Too many incidents where information is compromised are treated as minor, internal problems.
    ‘Given how much personal information is now collected and held, it is time for the sanctions to be far greater and real action taken to protect people’s privacy.’
    The Information Commissioner’s Office said: ‘We have recently been informed of a possible data breach which may involve the Metropolitan Police.
    ‘We will be making inquiries into the circumstances of the alleged breach of the Data Protection Act before deciding what action, if any, needs to be taken.’
    Mail 03/02/12


    • on February 3, 2012 at 5:30 pm One Time Special

      I like this “sharing of the data”……makes it sound all so fluffy/cuddly/not a problem….

      H-H, please note: if you don’t waste my council tax f***ing around sending out silly, time-wasting pointless surveys, you can’t end in the poo for divulging
      confidential data.


  49. on February 3, 2012 at 8:12 am Bristol MOP

    Reference deaths in police custody etc, how many training days per year do you get on medical symptoms/matters and how many do you get on diversity training?


    • on February 3, 2012 at 9:43 am angrymet

      Most of our ‘diversity’ training is delivered via computer packages. Medical training is delivered annually (supposedly) and we put out a package relating to the mythical condition known as Acute Behavioural Disorder. I say mythical in that it exists but no one will believe us. Most likely to suffer are those with mental illness who abuse drugs and/or alcohol. Then when they kick off and we arrive they fight like mad putting immense stress on their already damaged heart and it all goes downhill from there. Several respected doctors recognise the condition but it is rare for someone to actually present at an A&E with all of the symptoms.

      There is some brilliant stuff being pushed at OST at the moment. All about how to deal with people with disabilities. It is insulting to our intelligence. It is also badly researched because there have been several complaints about the supposedly ‘appropriate’ language being deeply offensive to those who have a condition mentioned during the training.
      I could go on. Battery is low!


      • on February 3, 2012 at 3:37 pm MPS(n)P

        You forgot to mention the weird take-down based on a HMP ‘final lock’ that involves the officer crouching down on the floor – not a huge issue, except I was told it was designed for use in public order situations. Not sure about anyone else, but I’m not sure I want to be kneeling on the floor in the middle of another retail riot – while chanting under my breath “don’t insult wheelchair users, don’t insult wheelchair users”.


        • on February 3, 2012 at 5:22 pm angrymet

          Which one is that? The figure four armlock or the outside wristlock/entangled thumb lock?

          I’ll agree that the latter is a bit odd. The former is pretty epic. Not sure who taught you though because neither are intended as public order tactics unless you’ve lost your handcuffs.

          Best used off duty or in one on one restraint. IMHO obviously!


  50. on February 3, 2012 at 8:24 am Bristol MOP

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095484/Ken-Clarke-sparks-anger-opposition-longer-jail-terms.html

    Can someone give me a point by point note against his arguments citing real situations that I can give to my MP?


  51. on February 3, 2012 at 10:07 am alex

    Totally off topic but I used to post on here a fair bit, not so much lately.
    Last year I made the comment that once my open uni course was finished I was off.
    I have now finished my open uni course (some time ago actually) and have my own small business.
    I am no longer a member of her majestys northern facebook threat recording team. I have spent 3 years in uniform as a special constable, and a further six years and four months as a regular officer, but I decided I had simply had enough.
    I have had the joy of being investigated by PSD twice in that time. the first job I had a court hearing, only for it to be pulled at the last minute in light of fresh evidence. I cant say more sadly only that the scum out there are not the brightest at hiding things. The second brush with our NKVD after nearly a full year of torment eventually ended in a written warning, reduced to words of advice upon appeal, and the threat of a civil tribunal.

    My reasons for leaving are, to keep it brief, the job simply is not worth all the hassle. Under my conditions of service id have to do 35 for my full pension with the 11% contributions not the 9 that earlier joiners paid in. Joiners of many years ago STILL get housing allowance! and thats despite them being on the highest rate as PCs Sgts etc.
    We are not supported AT ALL. the job does not give a f**k about us one bit. I have been injured on duty more than five times in my service and there is minimal fuss. I have injured people when they havent done as they were told and the fuss is phenomenal. 2 years ago I handed in my level 2 ticket as i was fed up of not seeing my young family, and us not being allowed to use the tactics and kit at our disposal. stand there and have shit thrown at you all day officer its ok. These decisions were made by incompetent senior officers at the other end of the radio where they were nice and safe, and have not had anything lobbed at them for years so why should they care?

    Im fed up the way this country has been infected by excessive liberalism. it has seeped into everything, but nowhere more so than the police. I notice that the fire brigade are not told by the lefties how to do their jobs they are left to it. same with the ambo’s all though the lefties are trying to meddle with them now im told. us? well we arent trusted at all are we?.
    Until the excessive liberalism is halted in this country we will continue to be fucked, and its going to take something very major to reverse it all.

    The lefties get themselves into a frenzy where authority is concerned. people like patrick foster, melv t gray, etc think nothing of outing bloggers, dragging authority through the mill in their distorted world. Its so bad that Alex is not my name, nor is the email address i supply mine. I chose Alex after my favourite snooker player – Higgins. Its sad that in a so called free country we cannot be ourselves isnt it? would we get any support? would we fuck.

    I will still continue to read and post on here but I will now be alexmopnotcop.
    to my brothers and sisters in uniform stay safe and remember its not worth it. do not do anything heroic, just make sure you go home to your familys at the end.
    Stay safe and God bless THE finest police in the world, we know we are thats all that counts.

    Alex


    • on February 3, 2012 at 11:38 am Betty Swollox

      Good luck & probably a very wise move, because after 2014/5 this job will change beyond anything anyone can imagine. It’s going to take a complete new generation of senior officers to change things and I’m afraid we are stuck with the fools we have for another 5 – 10 years.


    • on February 3, 2012 at 11:51 am jaded

      Good luck mate,you won’t be the last by a long chalk.
      I wish I had the courage to do the same.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 1:05 pm PC Lightyear

        Courage comes with knowledge mate, one you’ve done training and have job offers coming in, the courage comes!


      • on February 3, 2012 at 5:05 pm alexmopnotcop

        thankyou for the comments guys. I quite shamefully cited ‘childcare issues’ at one point in order to attend my seminars in milton keynes. Every bugger else seemed to be getting away with it why shouldnt i?

        I am fortunate that in so far as when i left the army back in 2001 I worked for a relatives building firm, and gained a qualification in carpentry and joinery. I used these skills in the interim period of me leaving the job, to setting my company up, to bring some cash in.
        I know there isnt as much building work out there as there used to be, but my god the tradesmen earn more than bobbys these days! trust me seen it.

        Betty Swollox I agree completely RE senior officers. They just are not on the same wavelength as us at all are they?
        Northern dump shire on the meadow where i used to police (used to. weird that) has a large population of somalian robbers sorry immigrants. The estate where most of these live has always been touted as a police no go area by the scum. I used to make a point of always driving around this area.
        One night whilst on my own (whoops! have i let one out of the bag?) I drove onto utopia road slowly. next minute a nice somalian chap rounded the corner and fired something at the job car window. I jumped out stayed low and moved fast in the opposite direction (MOPS you may be surprised to read that we arent taught to use the car as cover like in the films. its bollocks im afraid a car is a big object and will naturally draw fire, and if your cowering in it your dead easy to find). I obviously hit the oh fuck button and firearms swarmed it to no avail. my description? well as hed got a scarf and a hood up and the somalians yoof all looked similar to me, well my deesription wasnt that good.
        We later found out thatit was ball bearing gun that had been fired. it went clean through the windscreen and was found halfway into the chassis above the offside rear wheel. youd think attempt murder wouldnt you? nope it was crimed as a firearms offence, following a very protracted and heated argument between my sergeant and the det super.
        If wed caught him what would it have been crimed as i wonder?

        Above is just one of (sadly) alot of incidents our farce used to see all the time. Youd think i might have been contacted by someone senior wouldnt you? are you ok PC plod that sort of thing. was I bunnies.

        If id caught the little bugger and beaten him with my asp you bet id have spoke to someone very senior…….


        • on February 3, 2012 at 5:12 pm PC Lightyear

          “If id caught the little bugger and beaten him with my asp you bet id have spoke to someone very senior…….”

          and this, combined with the pay & pensions bum shafting is why so many of us are leaving….


          • on February 3, 2012 at 6:08 pm alexmopnotcop

            dont know how you lot in the met do it mate.
            hats off to you…..


          • on February 4, 2012 at 10:29 pm Serf

            Are you really leaving? really? I doubt it!


  52. on February 3, 2012 at 10:25 am neighbourhood Insp

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185

    paints an interesting picture i think


    • on February 3, 2012 at 1:11 pm presuming ed ****

      Aunty did a reasonable good job of painting a picture of his particular benefit claimant ‘suffering’ under the proposed (since boshed) benefits cap, until I spotted (small print, slipped in under their £240 weekly shop bill):

      “includes food and household goods, 24 cans of lager, 200 cigarettes and a large pouch of tobacco…”

      And he bemoans the fact that he isn’t living in ‘one of those million £ mansions everyone’s complaining about’. Well his 3-bed house is bigger than my 2 bed flat that I pay over a grand for p/m.

      Boo hoo, boo hoo…


    • on February 3, 2012 at 4:26 pm Retgorseg

      It’s been a while since I was at school, but do people on benefits pay for school books and uniforms now? I think the disposable income provided by the people stupid enough to work may be larger than stated here.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 4:40 pm presuming ed ****

        And £60 per month for Sky – I take it that’s pretty much ALL the packages covered then? I can’t afford that, so I don’t get it.


  53. on February 3, 2012 at 10:48 am Soon to be Mr.

    Alex good luck and I can appreciate your points.

    As for the other story from Neighbourhood Insp. only getting £582 per week and cannot manage, utter nonsense. Sky satelite TV, £32 per week on moblie phones, £91 per week on School books? etc.
    There are many Police Officers on less money, and there are many other claimants who get substancially more.


    • on February 3, 2012 at 4:07 pm inspectorgadget

      Unemployed father-of-seven Raymond

      says it all about the yookay

      How many born since he lost his job?


  54. on February 3, 2012 at 10:51 am Headhunter

    Just did a very basic set of sums for that family on benefits. That stated difference is with a cap is $4284 annually

    I assumed 24 cans of came in at £15. I assume
    20 cigarettes at £6 a pack, and a check on Tescos website showed a 50g pack of Golden Virginia at around £14 (I think I’ve rounded all them down to be fair).

    That fucking family is spending $4628 per annum on getting pissed and smoking themselves to death AT MY EXPENSE. And that’s not even including the cost of Sky (and even as a near top rate PC I got rid of Sky years ago for cost reasons and now have a Freesat box – the clue is in the word “free”)

    And what the JTFC is “entertainment” when booze, fags and Sky are counted separately?!? And £128 a month on mobiles? REally? Apparantly you have phone and internet for £28 a month. Try PAYG phone cards if you can’t live without the mobile and set a monthly budget. I have a Giffgaff sim in my phone and £10 a month gets me 250 free minutes and unlimited texts and internet.

    I don’t know, I budget for these things when I shouldn’t have to, they should have to and don’t. It’s all fucked.

    And BTW sir, if you’ve been unemployed for 10 years because work in your area of expertise “dried up” there’s a hint there you workshy parasite. As said, you probably just don’t want to work now you’ve been sat on your arse for so long.

    Grips my shit!


    • on February 3, 2012 at 11:19 am VerySpecialConstable

      My phone contract is £13 a month and provides plenty of Minutes, unlimited text and 1gigabyte of internet access. If you negotiate with providers a bit its amazing what you can do!


      • on February 3, 2012 at 11:19 am VerySpecialConstable

        Oh and that includes a smart phone handset.


        • on February 3, 2012 at 11:59 am Newly Minted

          Who are you with? I fancy a new phone


    • on February 3, 2012 at 1:15 pm presuming ed ****

      £580 per month benefits, out of which he pays £76 rent for a three-bed house. And I’m supposed to feel sorry for him?


  55. on February 3, 2012 at 11:00 am Headhunter

    Oh, and BTW “‘Prison doesn’t work’: Justice Secretary Ken Clarke sparks anger with opposition to longer jail terms”

    Yes it bloody does you disingenuous twat. When people are banged up they aren’t burgling little old ladies, pushing crack to school kids and shanking each other in London, are they? Wanky liberal bollocks of the highest order.

    I;m all for their being a chance of rehabilitation, education and opportunities for bettering oneself whilst banged up, but people like this mealy mouthed wander seem to want to remove the punitive part of a sentence altogether. Twat.

    (did I swear enough? I dunno, woke up expecting nice day off, log on the Sir’s blog and the rants just spew forth!)


  56. on February 3, 2012 at 11:03 am Headhunter

    Don’t you love the auto correct of Wanker to Wander?!? Mint! I’d comment on some phone’s ability to auto correct “cock” to “anal” but maybe that’s just phones smuggled into prisons? And anyway, Dr Freud just called and wants a word. .


  57. on February 3, 2012 at 11:26 am Chewie

    Huhne charged with perverting the course of justice and resigns from cabinet (but not from trough parliament)

    Ex-wife also charged… interesting, will she plead?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16866127


    • on February 3, 2012 at 12:39 pm Ted

      “Huhne charged with perverting the course of justice ”

      Excuse me while I dance round the room!!!

      A celebratory drink or two later on methinks!


      • on February 3, 2012 at 12:57 pm Worst Mercia

        He says he’s going to strenuously deny the allegation, his wife first raised the matter and has been charged as well, I wonder what she will plead. He’ll wriggle and wriggle cause thats what MPs in the suffocating arrogance do and are aghast that they should questioned by the likes of the electorate.


        • on February 3, 2012 at 2:58 pm presuming ed ****

          ‘Call me Dave’ Cameron has ‘wished Huhne well’ with his court case, following his resignation from the cabinet.

          He wishes him well.

          Speaks volumes.


    • on February 3, 2012 at 2:39 pm presuming ed ****

      The same Huhne who is keen to sack ‘underperforming’ police officers:

      “It is extremely unusual for anybody to be dismissed from the police other than for illegal activities,” he said (or ‘lied’), blaming a “dog does not eat dog” culture within the police…”

      The same Huhne who, in 2006, claimed £5,066 for painting work on his garden fences and chairs and collected £119 for a mahogany Corby trouser press from John Lewis but later said he would repay the cost in order “to avoid controversy”. He later claimed on a live Channel 4 news programme that he needed the trouser press to “look smart” for work.


      • on February 5, 2012 at 1:23 pm marcia

        The greedy b is a multi millionaire ffs!!!! Time all the expenses claimed by MPs and the like are dumped and they have to live like the rest of us on out earned salaries full stop! Makes me so damned mad!


  58. on February 3, 2012 at 11:36 am Uniform

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100134689/huhne-youd-need-a-heart-of-stone-not-to-laugh/

    You bastard , you complete and utter contemptible political ,come day go day, wanker

    you made political capital out of the misery of others when pretending to expose a non-story, which just showed that some police officers were human, you did it because you could, not because it needed doing

    your route to the top is littered with the heads of those you stomped on

    I think the best form of purgatory for this ex-guardanista , shagger , is to be forced to share a cell with his ex-wife, now that would be a Greek tragedy


    • on February 3, 2012 at 12:23 pm Shafted Bluenose

      But he says he’s innocent. He must have simply unintentionally given his wifes name as the driver and meant to clarify this prior to getting caught out. How else can he be innocent? Even if he was not the driver, he appears to have named someone who is saying “nor was I”. Unless she’s lying and she was the driver…


      • on February 3, 2012 at 3:42 pm MPS(n)P

        LOL – the rant sounds almost Gadget-esque!

        Every newspaper including the Daily Mirror – which really ought to like him given how pathologically left-wing he is but has happily made an exception owing to the man’s unremitting, weapons-grade vileness.

        Weapons-grade vileness, sweet!


        • on February 3, 2012 at 6:13 pm Anon

          Liked that article too. The former Mrs. H must be wondering if stabbing her ex in the back was worth it now that she’s charged too.

          Don’t think she thought things through – hell hath and all that. How can she deny the offence now?


          • on February 5, 2012 at 1:28 pm marcia

            Oh I bet she realised she would be charged too but was worth it in her estimation! Damn right too lol !!!


            • on February 5, 2012 at 5:28 pm Worst Mercia

              Ms Price is nobodys fool, she is pretty high-powered in her own world so would have foreseen the consequences, she is quoted as “wanting an early resolution to the matter” sounds like a quick plea of quilty at MG and up the road to CC for a little bit of community service and a tag
              She may pull the Hunhe temple down on her own head but
              even that arrogant ….will have trouble rebuilding it. Mind you I’ve never heard of doctors, nurses teacher, solicitors or police officers being kicked out of their professions upon conviction or breach of their professional codes then after a couple of years in the wilderness being welcomed back into the fold al la Mandelson but of course the makers of the laws of this land operate by their own rules don’t they? In the meantime Ms Prices’ special dish is about to be served up very cold.


  59. on February 3, 2012 at 12:13 pm No Light at the End of the Tunnel

    SC Longago, you are spot on, Lord Digby Jones said exactly this point on Question Time last night, we are the only country that gives billions in foreign aid but asks for nothing in return. We have a bunch of jokers running this country, all other countries especialliy the French and Yanks look after their own first, we are not playing on a level playing field on the international field. That is why if you travel to France you see French made Police cars, you travel to Germany you see German made Police cars, you travel to USA etc……… In this pathetic country (even when we had Rover) you would see Police cars made everywhere apart from in our own country, and now politicians after watching all of our own industry either colapse or fall into foreign hands are screaming for a rise in manufacturing to get us out of this mess!!!! This country has been ran by a bunch of jokers for far too long!!!! I was reprimanded years ago by my Chief Constable for simply writing to the Home Office to ask, why my taxes were being spent on foreign Police vehicles when up the road was a Rover factory!!! It won’t be long and it will be all over!!!


    • on February 3, 2012 at 12:14 pm No Light at the End of the Tunnel

      Sorry, above post was mean’t for another blog, but still its true.


    • on February 3, 2012 at 6:30 pm buster

      my force has both local (vauxhall& ford) and German (BMW)


  60. on February 3, 2012 at 12:53 pm The Lion Sleeps Tonight

    The idea of Nationhood in the anglo-american globalist ideology is obselete and not fit for purpose. The purpose is for the elite to have the cheapest labour and control of the masses. What do you really think was the idea behind ‘muti-culturalism’… to get more authentic curry houses?

    Your pay will be comparable with a workshy benefit scrounger because the elite view you as exactly the same. You think your work ethic and morals are worth giving you more money than another prole? It is easier to control you than them, to avoid any revolt they require being bought off, you can be squeezed more and more but your conscience put’s the job first.

    It has been carefully worked out how much they can push you without tipping the balance. What would have been the tipping point for you……say 40% of your pay cut….we are in a bad way after all. I think you’d have moaned a lot more but took it like a trooper.

    Still……what can you do?


    • on February 3, 2012 at 12:55 pm Newly Minted

      Vote monster raving looney party next time around


  61. on February 3, 2012 at 1:26 pm East Anglian Constable

    ahhh the ‘end of the shift’ that will be that time period between official booking off time and leaving to go home time. When (a) PCSOs enquire ‘are you still here?’ and (b) when the radio is switched off and I don’t answer the phone (err (b) being very similar to what some non uniform wearing non incident attending ‘colleagues’ can do all day) . . . . . and very similar to a cops on TV documentary I saw several years ago where motorway traffic officers completed most of a couple of accident books before they went out on duty.


  62. on February 3, 2012 at 1:55 pm PC Angry

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095850/Flying-Squad-officers-banned-carrying-guns-armed-ambushes-following-Scotland-Yard-review.html

    The IPCC strike again?…


    • on February 3, 2012 at 2:23 pm Wee Jock McTavish

      Looks like to public back the Police on this one looking at responses…………….but when did they matter. Criminals first, modern Britain!


    • on February 5, 2012 at 7:27 pm SC Longago

      “Improving procedures”? That would presumably be persuading them to put down the gun and come quietly so that a jury could find them Not Guilty or, if found Guilty, a Judge could give them a slap on the wrist and tell them not to do it again – which, of course, they wouldn’t. Erm…..


  63. on February 3, 2012 at 2:49 pm angrymet

    Just one query.

    As far as I am aware, both ‘customers’ were shot by officers from CO19.

    Why then have the squad had their toys taken away?


    • on February 3, 2012 at 6:26 pm One Time Special

      @angrymet

      Why then have the squad had their toys taken away?

      Either because the IPCC is full women who think guns should not exist or because the sweeney did a spot on job and IPCC can’t handle that.

      Don’t want to be shot? Don’t point a shooter at someone. Simples.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 9:06 pm doorbundle

        Especially don’t point a shooter at someone equipped and trained to ‘Stop’ you!.


      • on February 3, 2012 at 10:59 pm angrymet

        Don’t try and rob a securicor van. You might get hit by a 7.62 round from a Met G3.


  64. on February 3, 2012 at 3:14 pm mitchell-images

    OT- Ive just posted on the bodies found in the lake in Canterbury. I would be interested in your thoughts on the case.

    http://mitchell-images-blog.blogspot.com/


  65. on February 5, 2012 at 5:04 pm 2177

    Special Branch of the Metropolitan police was disbanded on 2.10.2006
    …………..It is reported that Commissioner Blair assisted by Andy Hayman
    considered it eliteist…………END Ex.


  66. on February 6, 2012 at 5:36 pm Don Esteban

    Suffering Jesus !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Just ditch all the uniforms, PPE, tasers ,guns…………… the fucking lot.

    They won’t be happy until the Police are out on patrol in pink JimJams and carpet slippers.



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