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Are these policemen worth their pensions?

January 20, 2012 by inspectorgadget

When Colonel Tim Collins gave us the benefit of his considerable law and order experience by telling us that police should be ‘ratcatchers, not social workers’, he was probably referring to the fact that on the Response and Neighbourhood teams, we spend a significant amount of our time dealing with the lost and lonely, the mentally ill and confused and the sick and injured.

Paramedics often call us to assist them when the patient has warning markers for unpredictable violence.

Here is an example of what happens when care in the community goes wrong, as if we needed another example after Kingsbury Road where four officers were stabbed. We attend these calls several times per shift. Usually we get things under control by a mixture of luck, TASER (unless you are in London) or circumstance.

Negotiating with someone like Lee Dixon before he starts to try to kill people is bread-and-butter stuff for police patrols. Trying to manage their risk after they have been released early is bread-and-butter stuff for PPU teams all over the country.

I would imagine (by their recent decimation in Ruralshire) that in Tory la la land, PPU are ‘back office’.

It’s not rat catching. Who will do this when Collins is in charge?

“Darlington scissor attacker nearly killed us”

TWO police officers told how they fought for their lives during a terrifying struggle with a mentally ill man who wanted to kill them with a sharpened scissor blade.

Paranoid schizophrenic Lee Dixon tried to stab PC John Wood and PC Carl Wood in the eyes after being stopped in a Darlington street following reports of suspicious behaviour.

The officers – who are not related – continued to try to subdue the frenzied suspect, despite being wounded.

PC Carl Wood, 26, was stabbed in the face, the back of the neck and arm, while his 40-year-old colleague suffered wounds to his arms.

Their bravery was praised yesterday by a Teesside Crown Court judge who said the community should be proud of the way they responded in the face of such terror.

Dixon, 22, was given an indefinite hospital order after pleading guilty to two counts of wounding with intent to resist lawful arrest, possession of a knife and cannabis. Psychiatrists consider that he poses a significant public threat. The policemen described last night how they feared the worst as their energy was sapped by Dixon, who appeared to have superhuman strength.

“We felt like we were fighting for our lives. There was a lot of adrenaline going through me and survival instincts kicked in,” said PC John Wood, a married father-of- two.

“But afterwards, when I tried to ring my wife and tell her what had happened, I couldn’t do it. I realised how bad it could have been.”

His colleague said: “He was just not stopping, you could tell. Although we did not want to stop, we felt like we were running out of energy.”

It took six or seven officers to subdue him, during which he shouted: “Howay lads, you know I’m paranoid.”

When finally handcuffed, he said, “I wish I’d f****** killed them”.

It emerged after yesterday’s case that the officers’ stabproof vests were punctured, but the standard-issue garments saved them from more serious injury.

Judge Briggs said: “It is a frightening example of what meets police officers entirely out of the blue and without warning – one can’t help feeling considerable admiration.

“They were met with a situation that effectively exploded out of the blue and they acted with considerable courage and determination in effecting the arrest.”

His barrister, Christopher Baker, said two psychiatrists concluded Dixon should be detained in hospital.

Northern Echo 18th January 2012

This post is dedicated to PC John Henry who died after being stabbed by paranoid schizophrenic Ikechukwu Tennyson Obih in Luton in June 2007.

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  1. on January 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm Andy

    Top 1000


    • on January 20, 2012 at 2:40 pm Andy

      Apologies for playing the “first” game inappropriately. No disrespect intended.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 4:31 pm NookiLooma

        Its ok.. amongst all the madness, we are allowed a smile or two! ;-)


    • on January 22, 2012 at 7:50 pm A Tired Voter

      DEAR POLICE (ALL OF YOU, and us MOPS) BE AFRAID,BE VERY AFRAID!

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9031148/John-Prescott-could-run-for-police-commissioner.html


      • on January 23, 2012 at 9:39 am beirutbeats

        This is the reason I am here today. Can’t wait for the reactions.


  2. on January 20, 2012 at 2:35 pm Skeptik MOP

    Very top ten!


    • on January 20, 2012 at 2:43 pm Skeptik MOP

      And, to answer the question – Yes. Police Officers are worth their pensions. Anyone standing between honest people and the forces of darkness deserves to be rewarded for what they do, and to be given a due and just return for their own investment in their future.

      It seems to me that a government that sees fit to muck about with the rewards given to its public sector is one that is doomed to fail. Unfortunately for us, they will remain in their own over-privileged bubbles, while the rest of us reap what they have sown.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 10:30 pm Reacher

        At this rate most will be knackered and spent come retirement anyway!
        Good to have the support.


  3. on January 20, 2012 at 2:35 pm Mrs Doughnut

    PODIUM!|!!!


  4. on January 20, 2012 at 2:36 pm Maffman100

    Close!


  5. on January 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm OWNED

    Always the bridesmaid


    • on January 20, 2012 at 2:38 pm OWNED

      Top 5. Best yet.


  6. on January 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm ??!!

    Course they are worth every penny. Mind you other members of our service manage to still hold onto pensions when using a credit card inappropriately. One rule for one……………………..


  7. on January 20, 2012 at 2:38 pm Andy

    The dangers of replying before reading, playing the “first” game inappropriately. No disrespect intended.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 2:43 pm Mrs Doughnut

      WHAT ANDY SAID…..


    • on January 20, 2012 at 10:31 pm npt bod

      Honestly said with integrity.


  8. on January 20, 2012 at 2:39 pm Not Long Now

    Hello… Post read too!


  9. on January 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm Mrs Doughnut

    And this, sadly is going to be more and more common, with dangerous mentally ill patients not getting the care they need, in a safe environment for their and our protection.


  10. on January 20, 2012 at 2:43 pm Stonecoldstrats

    Well done lads – top 10 as Well


  11. on January 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm mentalhealthcop

    Spot on: ^^^ What he said. ^^^


    • on January 22, 2012 at 10:14 am presuming ed ***

      checked out your blog for the first time today – excellent stuff.


      • on January 23, 2012 at 8:29 pm mentalhealthcop

        Thanks! Help spread the word – it’s hopefully more about guidance than me banging on. Helped a few cops already, need to get it more widely known in the service.

        Added a page today for DUTY INSPECTORS – but of relevance to all frontline 24/7 and Neighbourhood cops. Lists a lot of the common problems with hyperlinks to answers. Happy to add more or clarify on request.

        http://mentalhealthcop.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/the-duty-inspector/


        • on January 23, 2012 at 8:44 pm presuming ed ***

          Really good, relevant stuff. Consider yourself bookmarked.


          • on January 24, 2012 at 7:18 am mentalhealthcop

            I’m obliged!


          • on January 24, 2012 at 7:19 am mentalhealthcop

            Of course, the acid test is whether Inpsector Gadget finds it any use at all and gives it a shout!?>! <<< cheeky fecker.


  12. on January 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm Andy

    The complexity of the role and the range of subtle skills required by police officers are such that the job cannot be properly given simplistic labels such as ratcatcher or social worker. Respect to those who go out in uniform to make things safer for the rest of us.


  13. on January 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm Government Thug

    Top 10?


  14. on January 20, 2012 at 2:48 pm pj21***

    Top 20.


  15. on January 20, 2012 at 2:49 pm rucsac

    Top 20 woh hoo!


  16. on January 20, 2012 at 2:53 pm Inner-city Cop

    Sobering post, RIP John Henry and Gary Toms (he wasn’t stabbed but still…it’s hard to count the near misses we’ve all had)


    • on January 20, 2012 at 6:06 pm angrymet

      Gary was a mate of mine. I can’t believe it was 2009.


  17. on January 20, 2012 at 2:54 pm rucsac

    Unfortunately I don’t actually think the majority of the public give a stuff. We are on our own with this!


    • on January 20, 2012 at 3:01 pm Andy

      As a MOP may I respectfully disagree, many of us are with you on this.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 3:14 pm Politics4fools

        What andy said.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 3:21 pm Mrs Doughnut

        WHAT ANDY SAID BIS


      • on January 20, 2012 at 10:37 pm boy on a bike

        What Andy said too.


      • on January 21, 2012 at 12:09 pm JH [MOP]

        No, you are not on your own in this.


      • on January 22, 2012 at 12:31 am Shafted Bluenose

        Well there ain’t many MPs who are onside with us, and they maybe would be if the public were telling them that that was what they wanted…


    • on January 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm mitchell-images

      With the left wing bias from what seems at times, all quarters, I can understand why you may feel this way. I don’t mean to be condescending but the vast majority of the public are law abiding people who have a great respect for the job for the police and the job they do. It is easy to lose sight of this when all we ever hear about is the supposed wrongs that police do.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 5:23 pm rucsac

        Thank-you for your kind words of support, I and my colleagues do appreciate it. I maybe should have said the silent majority, it is those people who need to step up to the plate and be heard, otherwise the police force, sorry service, that everyone so desires will fade away. I hate being continuously negative but positive press is few and far between these days. After nearly 30 years of commitment and the result of the big court case here today feeling lower than ever……the main man walks away again!!!!


        • on January 21, 2012 at 11:11 am mitchell-images

          It is easy to become negative. I spend hours on social media sites, looking for info on upcoming protests and such. It seems as though everyone is anti gov, anti police, anti royalty etc. Then I remember events like the royal wedding or the trooping the colour, and the size of the crowds. Hundreds of thousands of normal working class folk turned out for these. Compared to the paltry numbers of anarchists who crawl out of their holes for demos, it is clear what the general public really think.

          As for the court case, what a disgrace. I don’t buy into the theory that he is a tout. Five NG’s on murder charges has got to be too much even for a top level tout.

          I’m coming over to Belfast in the summer, July in fact, and am really looking forward to it.


          • on January 21, 2012 at 6:59 pm rucsac

            Oh dear, that means every photographer I see now standing behind me will be ask if they’re called Mitchell! Stay safe although it’s not as bad as it used to be, apart from the odd pipe bomb, coffee jar bomb, shooting, murder, punishment shooting, the guilty walking free! Pity there’s no adversity smilie!


            • on January 22, 2012 at 9:56 am presuming ed ***

              I bet you can still get a good Ulster Fry in your canteen though, rucsac – we can only dream of such luxuries!!

              The court case you speak of is indeed a disgrace but his day will come.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 5:43 pm Barry Sheridan

      You are wrong. While not everyone who qualifies as a member of the public cares, plenty of us appreciate the next to impossible job facing the police in the face of a callow judiciary and enfeebled political class. I sometimes feel arming the police will become inevitable simply because those who are supposed to exercise political and social authority no longer know how to, a weakness that has given succour to those amongst us intent only the sort of behaviour this article relates. Conditions that perhaps only the gun will resolve.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 6:10 pm rucsac

        Barry don’t understand what I’m wrong about, however just to pick up on the point about arming. I’ve been armed all my career as have my colleagues. I have no doubt that this has persuaded many from getting involved in confrontation with me, but never those who were determined too, but at least I have always had the means at my disposal to protect myself adequately. Unfortunately my colleagues across the water, have not, and in some cases have paid dearly, for the sake of a political stiff upper lip. At least we agree on that point!!


    • on January 21, 2012 at 5:09 pm Tigermama

      What Andy said.

      You’re not on your own.

      I got into conversation with a PC from the SNT last week. He casually mentioned his shift pattern. It was a severe shock to hear the hours that police officers are expected to work. It sounds to me as though police numbers are about 30% lower than they ought to be.

      Anything I or more realistically Mr T can do to influence MPs, councillors, and anyone else who might be of any use will be done – and we will encourage our friends to do the same. As for Tim Collins, he should know better. Enormous demands are made on the armed forces, and not enough is done to ensure the welfare of those who serve, but the police get a particularly raw deal, and anyone who has been in or connected with any of the services should be unequivocally on their side.


  18. on January 20, 2012 at 2:55 pm MPS(n)P

    Good post Boss, esp the shout-out to PC Henry – and the little aside ref. lack of Taser in Metrocity. Our bosses have gone very quiet on the subject despite the recent slew of stabbed officers.

    In a recent firearms shout on our ground, the nearest Trojan unit was a 20-30 minute drive away through rush-hour traffic – just as they were in Kingsbury. Metrocity teams need organic Taser support now, not vague aspirational comments on BHH’s intermittent intranet musings, or promises of more central ops units being available.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 3:41 pm Government Thug

      “Organic” taser support?

      Have you got a promotion board coming up?


      • on January 20, 2012 at 4:13 pm MPSnP

        I meant in the military sense – ie built-in frontline capability – rather than the tofu-munching bunny-hugging sense!

        Promotion is now looking attractive purely for the salary bump, but I think I’ll hang around as a PC for a while longer yet!


        • on January 20, 2012 at 5:20 pm Static

          Oh – I thought you meant tazer by rubbing balloons on your jumper then sticking your finger near his ear!

          (It’s Friday!)


      • on January 20, 2012 at 4:24 pm F

        We need a more robust approach to be more resilient.

        ………in the community.


        • on January 20, 2012 at 5:22 pm Wibble

          Which is the golden thread that maximises the front line total policing totality.

          (C) ACPO 2011


        • on January 20, 2012 at 10:12 pm ginnersinner

          Reminds me of James May’s home-made police car on Top Gear: ‘Catching crims and locking them up…in your community’!!


    • on January 20, 2012 at 5:26 pm R/T

      Re: Taser – Mark Rowley is a good bloke and I think if he recommends taser we’ll get it. 45 were amongst the 1st and he was all for it (so I’m told)

      I am, of course, standing by to be mocked by all the usual MP suspects on here should this not happen but give it a couple of months . . . .


      • on January 20, 2012 at 5:55 pm Wibble

        I met Mark Rowley in a place I shall not mention – I wanted to dislike him as I knew what he had done to his force – mass civilian-isation (madeup) BUT he gave us ‘Things I wished I had know before I became Chief’ – and he came across as a good bloke – he also stayed and got pissed after which also helped.


        • on January 22, 2012 at 8:15 pm The Sybarite

          So you were done over by a manager with an agenda and a psychopathic approach? More fool you.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 6:01 pm H

      You will get Taser in the met at some point dude – when it was being proposed that West Mids were going to have it, they went through all sorts of ideas about who best to get it first, whether it was traffic, OSU or dogs.
      It did take a bit of discussion but it was pointed out by the project team that response officers were the ones being sent to the shitty dv jobs, violent persons in the street or stopping a car and ending up having a right good scrap, and in the end, we ended training traffic OSU and response together so all bases were largely covered.
      Once your SMT get over themselves a bit, you’ll get Taser.
      And keep submitting near miss forms for violent jobs where Taser would have been useful to have – after all, ECHR says police must have as a broad a range of weaponry as possible to be able to deal effectively with threats. 30 minutes waiting for an ARV whilst getting stabbed is not really on.
      I’m on the ARVs and I think all uniformed response who pass the course should have Taser – I had many jobs when back on response that I felt a Taser was needed, including one job where the knuckle of one finger was ripped off down to the bone by a very unpleasant chap fighting with me.
      Keep pushing for it ladies and gents.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 7:34 pm Noddynodster

        Trouble is, they won’t issue them to officers unless they have no plans to move on, which on the case of my OCU was most of the probationers. It was them that got them all in the end, winding up the officers with long service in the process.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 8:11 pm Reacher

        Agreed H as long as though “near miss” keep getting filed!
        For any Mops interested in the topic of the wider rollout of tasers there is an interesting article by the Met Pol Fed in the article linked to below. Beware….. the usual suspects are quoted including Solicitor Sophie Khan who is clueless.
        Pah!

        http://www.metfed.org.uk/metline?id=1580


        • on January 22, 2012 at 12:23 pm Thirty done- long gone.

          Hear hear. Whilst throbbers like Jenny Jones, Dee Doocey, Sophie Khan et al continue to spout their uninformed crap from their warm safe offices, officers on the street need a loud voice on their behalf. The article from the Met Fed is one but more is needed.


  19. on January 20, 2012 at 3:04 pm moodycop

    And here’s something infinately more interesting than all this Top Ten nonsense – tradition or not on this blog _ its. Bloody boring! All cops are heroes in their own wonderful way. I know none of us are made to do it by anyone. I know some days are either really stressful or really boring but the fact we are there and the fact that we are the ones comforting your distressed parents or grandparents or being kind to bores and a reassuring presence during chaos means that every one of us play such a vital role in society that it matters not if we are recognised for it. Let’s be humble for a change and just Know that WE ARE THERE. That’s all that matters.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 5:28 pm R/T

      ET was Q today. But boring – don’t think so. You may be in the wrong job.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 9:19 pm Fred

        It gets more boring the longer you do it :-) Like someone wise once said “It’s like watching the same play everyday just with different actors.” About sums it up I think.


  20. on January 20, 2012 at 3:20 pm JuliaM

    Alternatively, Mr Obunge, you could have told ‘the community’ to act like reasonable human beings instead of like pack animals.

    But that wouldn’t get you a chance to be seen by the authorities as a ‘spokesman’ for this nebulous ‘community’, would it?


    • on January 20, 2012 at 7:44 pm Agent Zig Zag

      There appears to be a thread here……….here we go looby loo, her we go looby la.


  21. on January 20, 2012 at 3:21 pm Barney Rubble

    Shame those that make these decisions (pensions) don’t actually go out into their respective communities that give them their gold platrf job and see for themselves what thousands of Police do on a daily basis. They then, might, actually respect snd appreciate the job we do, whilst sat in their warm, ivory, pension protected towers.

    Thatll never happen as the brown nosing wanna be politicians, the SMT, won’t allow it, just in case they witness us fill some dangerous EMD or drug filled MOP in…..

    They’re all a chuffin disgrace…. SMT and politicians!!!!


  22. on January 20, 2012 at 3:37 pm Dave

    Armed police would have shot him.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 3:50 pm Craig

      Armed Police SHOULD have shot him!


      • on January 20, 2012 at 5:26 pm Wibble

        I would have whacked him wherever I could with a thin metal rod – as I am in the Met!

        Total Bulls Dangly bits


        • on January 20, 2012 at 5:32 pm R/T

          Years ago I whacked someone on the head (with my stick) as hard as I could – without even for a moment considering the ramifications. I’m not 100% sure I could do the same now – it’d be in the back of my mind what might happen. Wager I’m not alone but also fervently hope I’m never in the same posn as those 2 brave, brave chaps.


          • on January 23, 2012 at 10:50 am Molestrangler

            Years ago I whacked someone on the swede with Charley Wood and he didn’t even stop running!


    • on January 20, 2012 at 6:26 pm bruce

      Maybe he’d have behaved differently by not attacking armed police? Maybe he’d have gone for suicide by cop? Who knows.

      But I pay my taxes and I want you to have the kit you believe you need. Especially as once you’ve got it you probably won’t need to use it, maybe saving stress, injury and suffering on both sides.


  23. on January 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm ColinTheCop

    It’s good to see this line still being used,

    “Dixon, who appeared to have superhuman strength.”

    I think I used it twice in one week and infront of the same Magistrate, he did give a rye smile before finding the bloke not guilty of Police assault.

    I wonder if they still teach that along with – “He’s all over the road MP”.

    Sorry, for the non Met officers who won’t get the last one.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 5:34 pm R/T

      There’s still a few who try to get “He’s all over” etc in! I heard it about 18 months ago on Pan4. The 3 on team with a bit of service (me and 2 PS’s) chuckled for a long while!!


      • on January 20, 2012 at 7:39 pm PC Lightyear

        Guaranteed way to get a pursuit cancelled these days


      • on January 21, 2012 at 3:49 am MPS(n)P

        An RT driver operating last year on Pan 2 managed to squeeze it in, along with “Level 1 driver, Level 1 operator” – to howls of laughter and screams of derision in the writing room.

        The raving nudger was very proud of himself -and became unbearable when the delightfully dis-interested MP wallah rewarded him with “excellent commentary, MP out” at the (successful) conclusion of the festivities.


        • on January 21, 2012 at 7:31 am ColinTheCop

          I remember a chase over on P district when their area car to car with the helicopter after it ended. Obviously the whole of South London changed channel to listen in.
          What followed brought a little bit of sick up in my mouth….

          I99 from Papa1 just want to congratulate you on the excellent commentary.
          Papa1 from I99 likewise an excellent commentary.

          Cue everyone else joining in. Papa1 from Zulu5 well done from us.


          • on January 21, 2012 at 7:32 am ColinTheCop

            Should read – their Area car had a car to car.

            (bloody phone screen)


          • on January 21, 2012 at 1:33 pm MPS(n)P

            Such things should be punished!


          • on January 21, 2012 at 4:49 pm R/T

            Colin & MPS(n)P – hilarious! Laughed out loud.

            BTW – Colin – shouldn’t that read car-to-copter? :-)


            • on January 21, 2012 at 7:03 pm ColinTheCop

              I suppose it did, but they did ask MP for a car to car….


          • on January 22, 2012 at 1:21 am Buster Man

            Haha!!! knowing P district and some of the drivers/operators that makes me chuckle.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 5:35 pm R/T

      Oh – and you want to try “If it pleases the court” occasionally. I normally try to cram it in before going off on a bit of a ramble!


      • on January 20, 2012 at 5:49 pm Wibble

        Boing!


      • on January 21, 2012 at 8:21 am alex

        R/t
        I have long ago mastered a trap
        “and what do you think the magistrates will make of your actions?”
        Matey boy “fuck magistrates they cant do nowt anyway”
        I then record it in pnb and ask them to sign.
        I have then had the pleasure many tomes, of being in the box and stating this commwnt to the bench. They stiffen and pale EVERY time


        • on January 21, 2012 at 10:05 am Politics4fools

          Like it.


        • on January 22, 2012 at 12:38 am Shafted Bluenose

          Isn’t that an interview? Precursed by the offer of access to legal advice? Just askin :-)


          • on January 23, 2012 at 9:35 am Red Sky at night, Argos is alight (Croydon)

            Perhaps it is. His defence brief can argue if its admissible. Nothing wrong with recording it in your notebook. As a cuzzie, I always recorded every utterance that assisted my case, but funnily, I didn’t seem to hear those that didn’t..


  24. on January 20, 2012 at 4:00 pm Kentish Man

    As regards Tim Collins – I will get to not vote for him. His ignorant utterances so far have shown he hasn’t got the qualities it would take to be a PC let alone a PCC. However – what other pantomime clown am I going to have to choose?


  25. on January 20, 2012 at 4:05 pm presuming ed ***

    We’re NOT worth our pensions, because The Wail and Cameron/May say so – we’re too busy ‘raking in’ 4 hours at double time for a phone call at home (err, no), listening to the speaking clock all day and searching people just because we’re racist. No mention of this shocking incident in the nationals then, Quelle surprise.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 6:50 pm Metcountymounty

      Just like all the usual haters have completely avoided yesterdays court ruling about containment. We were right, we said so, and the court of appeal agreed with us.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 10:45 pm Reacher

        MCM you mean the G20 kettling appeal malarkey. If one were of a cynical nature one may attribute the change of heart of the Judiciary to the riots and the tactical and successful containment of numerous incidents this year.
        Just saying.


  26. on January 20, 2012 at 4:08 pm alantheclown

    You have a large choice here:

    http://www.clowns-international.com/


    • on January 20, 2012 at 4:43 pm Paulstephensonsglasses

      Isn’t that the ACPO website?


  27. on January 20, 2012 at 4:22 pm NookiLooma

    I am a police woman and i think i am worth my pensions too… :-)


    • on January 20, 2012 at 4:56 pm Condescension

      Yes Dear


      • on January 20, 2012 at 5:17 pm NookiLooma

        Do you have a big zipper?


    • on January 20, 2012 at 5:28 pm presuming ed ***

      Nice buttons?


      • on January 20, 2012 at 5:31 pm NookiLooma

        Depends on the zipper size…..


        • on January 20, 2012 at 6:48 pm Jack

          lol


        • on January 20, 2012 at 6:51 pm presuming ed ***

          :)


        • on January 20, 2012 at 8:54 pm pj21***

          Welcome to the blog, you’ll fit right in!


        • on January 21, 2012 at 12:43 am GPC

          Oh touche


    • on January 20, 2012 at 8:21 pm Reacher

      Nooki welcome to the “neanderthal response” part of the blog. Wouldn’t catch us more specialised response making comments like that!
      * strides off whistling innocently.


    • on January 22, 2012 at 10:26 am Jim The Crim

      I was present when the Stripe asked a PW on the shift in all seriousness, “Tell me, whats your view on sexual harassment at work then” I grinned from ear to ear when she replied “Not enough of it”


  28. on January 20, 2012 at 4:31 pm Tim Swettenham

    Since 1980, when I joined, I have been involved in a number of “Don’t care in the community” investigations – police officer stabbed three times in the back protecting the public 1985, police officer stabbed in the throat trying to detain a knifeman who had stabbed three random members of the public in 1986, numerous officers ABH’d and two murders of family relatives by their offspring. All had the same things in common – a failure to ensure that they were taking their medication and were not in a spiral of unchecked drug/alcohol abuse and were not sliding towards paranoid delusions leading to attacks.
    This is not a rant. These are cold facts which, no doubt, play out in every other force area throughout the country. The combination of reduced numbers, weaker sentencing and reduced monitoring of the dangerous means that the list of deaths in service will inevitably rise.
    You take care out there.


    • on January 22, 2012 at 7:09 pm Inspector Monkfish

      I’ve lost count of the number of individuals who we encounter that are an obvious danger to the public but who are ‘cared’ for in the community.

      I particularly remember one chap who stabbed a pen in the eye of one of my PC’s when he was caught chucking debris onto a motorway. Paranoid schizophrenic off his meds, surprise, surprise.

      CPS lawyer didn’t want to know until I mentioned that when this bloke killed someone in the future I would ensure his name featured prominently in any inquest/case review. Did he care about the public? Did he care about the Police?

      No just himself and the school fees.


  29. on January 20, 2012 at 4:31 pm Zoids

    The public do support the police: the two officers involved had to call on passers-by to help them out as they feared Dixon was about to overpower them both. A postie and an old man bravely stepped in and helped them subdue him.
    It might be worth noting this mentally ill man became v agitated when he realised his cannabis was going to be taken from him. It’s a very dangerous drug for some people.


  30. on January 20, 2012 at 4:58 pm nath

    i feel Police officers are worth their pensions as everyday of the week they go out and deal with the small minority of public that dislike the police and are out to cause harm to members of the public, in which the police have t deal with.
    Maybe to help ensure this is handled better in the future, i believe that there should be something in primary school all the way through school aswell that kids are taught to respect the law and police,


  31. on January 20, 2012 at 5:09 pm Alix

    Could we also remember in these pension discussions – we, the employees (I am a teacher) pay into these pensions throughout our working lives. Pensions are not wholly gifts given to us by a grateful public. And yes, police pay in significantly higher proportions that teachers and face signficantly more risk in their day to day work.

    Of course you are worth your pensions.

    MPs don’t seem to do much for theirs mind….


    • on January 20, 2012 at 5:22 pm nath

      hi mate in relation to ur pension, i work as a chef and get no pension at the end of it, i only recieve state pension or private pension if i pay into one, which i do…. but i feel the police do such a great job with the lack of manpower they have due to government cutbacks, that they deserve a greater proportion of pension than any
      other sector


      • on January 20, 2012 at 7:32 pm OWNED

        As stated the police pay a large amount into pensions. 16% in the BTP (illigal but they get away with it), 11% HO forces etc etc.

        16% a month of our wages. That means we pay £200,000 into our pensions, at least.

        We only get about £16,000 a year from that. Police officers have a VERY short life expectancy.

        I expect on a number of occasions the officers pay in more than they take out.

        At the moment i think i would prefer to not contribute and invest the money myself as i don’t trust them to pay me at the end.


        • on January 20, 2012 at 7:46 pm Noddynodster

          I’m thinking of pulling out and using the money to pay my mortgage off earlier.

          A well respected financial advisor told me some years ago, that if you could afford to double your mortgage payments, you could pay a 25yr mortgage off in 7 yrs. All to do with the way the interest is calculated apparently.


          • on January 20, 2012 at 9:11 pm pj21***

            \\ I’m thinking of pulling out \\

            LOL


        • on January 21, 2012 at 2:21 pm clickerville

          HI, i’d like to get a £16,000 annuity for a £200,000 investment (plus compound interest, which is at a low rate now, less any losses incurred on investment since the 90′s) That is a VERY good rate.It’s probably 50% up on normal. I’m not being at all funny, but we had all better get to grips with the pension concept. In order that our money, invested for our post employment future makes good returns, it has to be invested in successful industries, or lent to people who are a good risk. Both of those will be in short supply in the future.

          You’re right, though, some may not live to get out as much as they contributed, but on the other hand, some will, and yet others will receive more. Then there’s the administrative costs to be paid. Invest yourself? Possibly, but it’s a good way to make a small fortune from a larger one! I once made £3000 into £1800 in just a few weeks with advice from a highly regarded local advisor!

          My/your investment is exploitation of others’ labour. We just can’t get round that


          • on January 22, 2012 at 3:58 pm PC Lightyear

            It used to be that police pensions were kept in their own pot and invested. They paid for themselves. At some point that was changed and they were paid into general government funds. This worked for a while, then the government started bleating about how the money was not enough to cover the pensions, even though they failed to invest the money paid in.


        • on January 21, 2012 at 3:07 pm JohnM

          You pay-in more than you take out to pay for those who live longer: Like MPs’
          Same for everyone else. Life expectancy has a lot to do with your work and living conditions.
          Manual workers, generally, have lower life expectancy than those who polish seats in heated and air-conditioned offices every day (9-to-5).
          The major problem with public service pensions is that many public servants manage to live long lives…so retiring at 60 and living to 85+ means a lot of cash is needed to pay the pension.
          Compare that to your average drug-taking-hard-drinking scrote, whose life expectancy is seriously low.
          You could always retrain for another job.
          Investment banker for instance.
          High pay, good perks, good holidays and good pension.
          No quals needed, and the enhanced value of being able to crash the entire global economy on a bad day.
          Everything is relative.
          You can always take succour from the knowledge that whatever the politicians are telling you is certain to be a whole load of stinking lies.
          In five years or so the truth will out….in time for another load of stinking lies.
          I think I can say, without much chance of being wrong, that if the house of commons disappeared down a very deep hole, along with all 650 occupants, the country would rise in celebration, and drunkenness and street parties would last a long time.


          • on January 22, 2012 at 6:06 pm Welshasylumseeker

            £3000 into £1800???
            Isn’t that a loss? Methinks they saw you coming….


            • on January 25, 2012 at 10:13 am clickerville

              Yes it was a loss! Reading the preceding sentence would have prepared you for that!

              The point was that investment, directly on your own, or with “benefit” of advice is not without risk! Handing your pension contributions to anyone, in the hope they’ll give you a good return is similarly risky. That is more so if the pension pot is a government Ponzi scheme where current recipients’ payments are being provided by current contributors, missing out the investment element!

              I fell for Equitable Life’s AVC scheme too (invested by my employers’ advisor) They saw me coming too? Pensions are a high stakes gamble in which the “bookies” (insurers/stakeholders) are the only ones with a guaranteed return.

              It’s all risky now, and profit without labour is exploitation.


  32. on January 20, 2012 at 5:16 pm jw55

    What the press fail to report was that these officers were single crewed, which is a new practice implemented to con the public into thinking there is more of us on the street.

    One of the officers attended on his own to a simple routine report. It was by pure chance that the other officer was driving along and decided to have a ‘float’ over because he was between jobs.

    If the initial attending officer had remained on his own, he would not be here today.

    The quite blatent disregard for officer safety in order to pull the wool over the public’s eyes is disgusting.

    Whilst the Officers were being stitched back together again in hospital, management had already informed the press stating that the community all pulled together to help the two officers. The reality was that members of the pulic stood and watched, it was only when they shouted to a postman for help did anyone step in.

    Luckily justice prevailed. The two cops are on the streets again. But this incident will be forgotten along with the rest and under staffed response teams will continue to put themselves at risk on a daily basis.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 5:32 pm SC Longago

      The two officers may be back on the streets again, but it won’t be long before some of you are facing yet another such attack. Perhaps locking up dangerous people and keeping them locked up wasn’t such a bad idea after all – now, who’s going to do something about reintroducing proper sentencing? As for giving the police the tools to do the job, the PM probably thinks that the police already have Tasers – after all, his protection officers do, don’t they? See the photo in today’s Torygraph.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 5:47 pm Wibble

        No they have Glocks.


        • on January 20, 2012 at 6:10 pm SC Longago

          Yellow ones? ;-)


    • on January 20, 2012 at 10:02 pm Reacher

      A comment by the DS regarding the scissor stabbing incident and the two brave PC’s,

      “Detective Sergeant Sean Jackson said: “Thankfully, this is an extremely unusual event, but the risks are always there and are faced on a daily basis by officers.””

      Extremely unusual event? What is? Response being faced by lunatics with off wep who may or may not kick off? Being unarmed and receiving horrific injuries? The fact that the officers survived the attack? 

      Come on journos out there collate some data using proper investigative journalism and let’s see the truth of this comment. FOI requests on near misses anyone? 
      In addition what are the numbers of officers available in truth. Let the Public work out their own risk assessment and then make the right noises to get the level of cover owed to them. 

      However this may make the Public fearful (as they apparently have to be protected from the truth) and slag cheerful …….using SMT logic.
      On the other side of the coin there may be floods of letters hitting local MP’s demanding an explanation, outrage at being treated like kids and demands for reduction in MP’s salaries/benefits to pay for more coppers!  :)

      Rant I know but it’s past a joke!


      • on January 22, 2012 at 12:43 am Shafted Bluenose

        You expect journalists to write cold facts that support the police rather than writing those same facts in such a way that the public are fooled into thinking negatively about us??? Are you drunk perchance? :-)


  33. on January 20, 2012 at 5:31 pm DI Weary

    I would like to doff my cap to those two brave colleagues (I won’t mention what I would like to do to MPs).


  34. on January 20, 2012 at 6:01 pm Cayenne Mall

    In light of lessons learned from Machete Hulk Dude Who Forgot To Take His Medication. Maybe Bobbies should keep a green wheely bin in the trunk of their ERVs to distract anyone swinging a blade like Khal Drogo. This will enable his or her colleague to then sneakily strike to an approved zone on Machete Hulk Dude’s upper thighs or upper arms. This will of course have NO effect but hey!


    • on January 20, 2012 at 6:01 pm Cayenne Mall

      Oh, and I was first earlier. But I used my real account so it never appeared. I will be a gentleman and concede.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 6:11 pm jalfrezi

        What if there wearing arm deflectors, Huh Huh. See you’ve not thought that through. :)


  35. on January 20, 2012 at 6:02 pm Bringbackpeterimbert

    Linked to IG’s post by the fact that this deals with the alleged leadership we receive, the attached comments by Lord Blair of Boughton were brought to my attention today. Apparently, according to our much-lamented ex-commissioner speaking on Radio 4, despite what the MPS might say the Met is still an ‘institutionally racist’ organisation – Oh really? Well thanks ever so much Ian!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/01/04/sir-ian-blair-sparks-war-of-words-with-mpa_n_1182810.html

    As an aside I see that he has also been appointed to a strangely appropriate quango:

    http://www.commissiononassisteddying.co.uk/lord-ian-blair-of-boughton


    • on January 21, 2012 at 2:57 pm JW

      Ian Blair is human detritus


    • on January 22, 2012 at 9:03 am Agent Zig Zag

      As an aside I see that he has also been appointed to a strangely appropriate quango:

      http://www.commissiononassisteddying.co.uk/lord-ian-blair-of-boughton

      It makes this agent wonder if any of his friends are in the business of selling death machines?

      This is only a hypothetical musing and any links to such businesses, should they exist, is purely coincidental.


  36. on January 20, 2012 at 6:05 pm Simon Mead (@astralclaw)

    You should all just stay home and let the country tear itself apart.

    Goverment’s attitude to the police is as follows:

    1. You’ll get your pension cut because the job you do isn’t worth it.
    2. They won’t recruit proper numbers because Joe Public doesn’t matter and nor do you.
    3. You won’t get guns because your lives aren’t worth it.
    4. You won’t get support from the justice system because your broken arm/leg/face/neck doesn’t cost us a damn thing but prison for pond life does.

    I have no experience of being a police officer so I don’t speak from a position of any real knowledge but as Mr Ordinary I no longer care if some of you are surly or rude, it’s neither here nor there. The woman in the doctor’s is an a-hole, does that mean I want her to get cut up by some lunatic? You sign up to defend people from scum and you’re
    a) getting obstructed in that ambition
    b) getting shafted

    when you should be

    a) supported
    b) properly paid
    c) listened to

    It’s a depressing sight watching you all line up during protests to defend the Houses of Parliament. I’m sure I’m not the only one who would love to see you all just walk away and let them get done over.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 6:31 pm Sgt suburb

      What he said !


    • on January 22, 2012 at 12:46 am Shafted Bluenose

      Are you a real person? Sorry to sound incredulous, but if you are, can you tell other real people what you just said on here please? Thanks for the sentiments, much appreciated.


    • on January 22, 2012 at 7:14 pm Inspector Monkfish

      Simon, do you fancy a job as a Police & Crime Commissioner?


  37. on January 20, 2012 at 6:14 pm OompahLoompah

    Anyone seen that story in the Daily Mail about the bobby who died after self-medicating on anti-anxiety drugs following post traumatic stress – he couldnt forget a car crash victim he dealt with.
    On top of the immediate physical dangers we deal with.. the lasting psychological injuries should never be forgotten either. We all, as police officers, live with ghosts.
    RIP Pc Brotherton
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088994/Police-officer-haunted-black-staring-eyes-car-crash-victim-save-died-taking-anti-anxiety-drugs.html


    • on January 20, 2012 at 7:01 pm marcia

      Tragic! RIP PC Brotherton. My thoughts go out to other officers silently suffering with the trauma of what they have witnessed.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 4:58 pm R/T

      Sad. Some can deal OK and some can’t. I’ll never forget an elfin-like 16 year old lass limp in her seatbelt after the car her boyfriend was driving hit a really large tree. I can really only remember her really thin wrists. Oh well.


    • on January 22, 2012 at 11:37 pm GrrrArg

      RIP PC Brotherton


  38. on January 20, 2012 at 6:25 pm david

    On the Commissioners theme, try this blog comment by Michael Crick, ex-BBC journalist and now on C4 News: http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/police-commissioners-the-runners-and-riders/624

    It is on all the potential candidates across England & Wales.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 6:28 pm OompahLoompah

      I will take a ganders at that. Ta for the link.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 6:35 pm OompahLoompah

        Ive just read that… what a laugh!! It seems no-one really wants the job!! Too yellow chicken to take the responsibility on! Waaaah!
        Also.. not very diverse, is it? ,… 90% of those candidates are all old white blokes.
        Oh… what an election day it will be!! Who to choose from from a very short list of yellow-bellies. I actually relish this… when someone is elected, they put their head above the parapet and will have to shoulder all the blame we currently have to put up with!! They will be directly accountable!! I, for one, will be going to the public meetings in my area when my local commissioner is elected… just for the WAAAAH!!


    • on January 20, 2012 at 6:34 pm bruce

      It says candidates have to be CRB checked. Would that stop a retired former MP with an expenses habit?


    • on January 21, 2012 at 4:00 pm SC Longago

      Good luck to Cleveland. Stuart Drummond or Ray Mallon. Chances are the voters would go for the man in the monkey suit. Ok, it isn’t a list of the real candidates, just some journalist trying to fill his column with speculation but it makes you think, doesn’t it?


  39. on January 20, 2012 at 6:28 pm Roger RamJet

    Even when another officer gets killed ‘in the best traditions of the service’ , don’t remember signing up for that one, they will still spout off about tradition and the public don’t want it etc.
    Frankly whenever my colleagues who are armed meet the public those who are pro are always commenting on how we should be armed and those that are anti do as they are told.
    My farce have Taser with the arv’s only so most response teams work on the principle the only time they’ll see it is about 20-30 minutes after its needed………..


    • on January 20, 2012 at 7:06 pm Rustyh

      The day will come when we all have Taser … because of incidents like this!
      Tradition .. bollocks! Safety first!

      We should be able to deal with ANYTHING! Not call for ARV’s and wait 20 mins! (Same in my Farce!)
      The public will eventually realise that the police do not have the tools, numbers or will power in a few years. When an officer doesnt turn up until 4 hrs later for a theft of vehicle or simple assault, they’ll realise they should sign the petetion to keep numbers …


    • on January 21, 2012 at 7:03 pm Red Sky at night, Argos is alight (Croydon)

      Do you not think that if all beat PCs were routinely armed, with a decent handgun, say a SIGP228, you could do away with the comedy weapons like ASPs and spicy deodorant, even tazers? And then you wouldn’t need to sweat buckets into the stab vests. The only down side would be you’d be putting your hands in your pockets instead of your thumbs in the vests, both of which looks gash.

      And do you not think that any Officer who refuses to be armed in this fashion should just do one and go and work for Haringey Social Services? If they aren’t prepared to take the defence of their own life seriously and effectively, it’s highly likely they won’t be much use at defending the lives of the law abiding public either.

      I want some intelligent, sensible hard bastards to enforce my Queens peace. Hard bastards who will readily get very nasty with those who make life unpleasant for the majority. Won’t turn that music down at 3AM? Stand aside and watch as I smash your sound system into tiny little pieces, throw it out into the street, then nick you for littering. The police must stop employing people based on diversity tick boxes, but on the degree of burning self righteous justice coupled with a equally strong desire for fairness, Not the milksops, cowards and PC drivel spouting careerists that seem to be on the rise today.

      I’m utterly insane of course, but I escaped serious injury, even death when a 6’6″ PC standing next to me punched a knife wielding 5 foot nothing woman so hard it lifted her off her feet and knocked her clean out. She was running towards me with the intent to kill me after a neighbourly argument had resulted in her husband being arrested for criminal damage. He then picked her up by her hair, lifted her up to within an inch of his face and roared ‘You’re fucking nicked for attempted fucking murder, you bitch’ I wonder if there are many in my local farce who could or even would do that today.


      • on January 21, 2012 at 7:05 pm Red Sky at night, Argos is alight (Croydon)

        The incident with the knife was nearly 30 years ago, for comparison.


        • on January 22, 2012 at 4:02 pm PC Lightyear

          Today, do any of those things mentioned in your post and the PC would be sacked and probably gaoled.

          It’s not only who they recruit, it’s the ‘public perception’ and the law/management support that isn’t there.


          • on January 23, 2012 at 2:15 am Jim The Crim

            Correct. Sadly.


      • on January 22, 2012 at 12:50 am Shafted Bluenose

        Sorry, but I’m nearly falling of my seat at all these people who are not police or related to old bill who are speaking up in support of us. Thanks! Just got to say that. Seriously, I’m numb to all the unfair criticism and it washes over me now, but all this support is making me keep doing double takes :-)


        • on January 22, 2012 at 1:30 pm Reacher

          Ah Shafted! Now you see the reason for my peculiar post above.
          All a bit unnerving plus the plethora of positive posts by Mops on “cop bashing” articles in the press recently.
          Enough to wonder if the tide is turning.
          *Still not drunk but it is early!
          ;)


  40. on January 20, 2012 at 6:57 pm Frankie

    At my nick in the last year we have had the following injuries, all sustained while effecting arrests…..broken nose (required surgery), broken wrist (also surgery), broken finger, dislocated shoulder, dislocated knee. Two of those were sustained by the same officer (he is quite unlucky….) but all in separate incidents. There was also a recent incident in the next town along which resulted in an officer with a broken jaw and four teeth being knocked out. Nothing as scary as in this post thank god. I imagine if someone cleverer than me went to work on those figures, the likelihood of being relatively seriously injured on duty is quite high. That in addition to all the minor scrapes and cuts and bruises. It is a dangerous job, the pension is supposed to acknowledge that!


    • on January 20, 2012 at 7:02 pm OompahLoompah

      … and as i said above.. remember to add the psychological damages too.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 5:03 pm clickerville

      I hope coppers hurt in this way get the best of surgery/dental surgery, and that any costs occurring later are also met Last crown I had replaced was £180! They don’t last forever, either!


      • on January 21, 2012 at 7:08 pm Red Sky at night, Argos is alight (Croydon)

        2 to 5 years, usually. Get tungsten implants. Get ‘em all done and you can bite your asp in half!


  41. on January 20, 2012 at 7:00 pm Thrustcadet

    Those two cops could have done a dynamic risk assessment and all the associated bollocks. They didn’t! They did their job and protected their public, even in the face of spineless government cuts.
    I am so proud knowing I serve with people like that.
    Good on you both and my best wishes for a speedy recovery. Take some well earned R&R.
    All that read this in the job will be proud!!


    • on January 20, 2012 at 10:50 pm npt bod

      They are ours and are decent top lads. They’ll say not brave but willing.


  42. on January 20, 2012 at 7:02 pm Rustyh

    Just about to start a set of 3 night shifts … I know i’m a Taser unit tonight, so some comfort in that!
    You can imagen that ‘the public’ would be up in arms had he not had a weapon and it took 7 officers to restrain him!
    I dont want to jinx it … but me and my colleagues have remained injury free so far … i’ll happly spray, kick, punch and taser anyone .. at the end of the day … I’M GOING HOME TOMORROW AT 7AM!


  43. on January 20, 2012 at 7:04 pm Brief Encounter

    Yes they very definitely are worth it. But by present standards they’ll be too worn out to enjoy therm.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 7:37 pm Reacher

      Research is mixed on the average age most ex-coppers make after retirement but the five years bandied about is a bit of a myth. However if you don’t smoke, drink, stay out all night, work shift work, have years of lack of sleep, have a good homelife with outside hobbies, dont worry about stuff and exercise then you could add a year or two to that figure.
      Lack of adrenaline is the normal killer!
      Hey-ho! ;)


      • on January 20, 2012 at 7:48 pm Reacher

        Meant to add that that’s me fcked then!


        • on January 22, 2012 at 12:42 pm Scarlet Pimple.

          Take heart, we all don’t curl up and fade away when we retire.
          I am on my thirty fith year of pension.
          I put this down to

          1) Fifteen year old Single Malt.
          2) Twenty seven years baiting senior officers.
          3) Shift work
          4) Black humour.
          5) Remembering where the bodies are and who buried them.
          6) Having mates who watch your back, whilst you watch theirs
          7) Oh and the right genes.


          • on January 22, 2012 at 12:43 pm Scarlet Pimple.

            Thats ‘Thirty Fifth’


          • on January 22, 2012 at 10:36 pm Reacher

            Right taken note and tick most of those boxes with a few years difference on point 2! ( ok can’t afford 1!) Only bodies I know about are the one’s I buried …ahem! ;)
            Great to see you back on this blog Scarlet and you have my deep admiration.


          • on January 23, 2012 at 3:15 pm presuming ed ***

            You said ‘black humour’. Please see the diversity trainer before posting again…


      • on January 22, 2012 at 9:55 am clickerville

        The 5 years survival time, post pensionable engagement was a myth circulating 40 years ago when I joined the RAF. Urban myths, on the other hand survive forever.


  44. on January 20, 2012 at 7:08 pm redgoat

    One of the relatively nastier incidents of my career demonstrated that when the chips are down Joe Public in general will help out and do support us. I was attacked whilst attending a relatively routine call by 2 ne’er do wells high as a kite. When you have discharged your spray, used your baton and are using your (heavier analogue) radio to smack one over the head as a last resort you start to think oops (or something similar). The second ne’er do well was at this point busy putting the boot into my back in the best tradition of a French prop. At this point 2 locals came to my aid and helped me out. One of them was someone I had previously locked up. Once the cavalry had arrived I expressed my gratitude. He told me he had helped out as I had treated him fairly when he was in custody. Perhaps Cameron should remember to treat us with fairness as well?


    • on January 20, 2012 at 10:31 pm marcia

      Im really pleased you were helped out Redgoat and it proves that some of the time the ‘baddies’ will be on your side if you treat them right. Has given me a tad more faith in the good in human nature! Glad you were ok too..


    • on January 21, 2012 at 12:51 am GPC

      “At this point 2 locals came to my aid and helped me out. One of them was someone I had previously locked up”"

      I recall entering a crowded pub and dealing with a girl who had been glassed by her ex boyfriend who had run off.

      He returned and my colleague bundled him in the van as I stood in the doorway and held back a baying mob.
      The local gangster came up and said to the mob – back off, leave the copper alone.
      The mob backed off. I turned and thanked him
      He said “The lad you gripped is my enemy. The enemy of my enemy is my friend… for one night only though” – and winked at me.

      I have locked the local gangster up since then, but see him in a different light!


      • on January 21, 2012 at 3:02 pm Agent Zig Zag

        Have a squint at the book, The Enemy of My Enemy by George Michael. It is worth a read.

        This story reminds me of a song I once heard.

        http://tinyurl.com/7qjd72a


    • on January 21, 2012 at 6:23 pm Snake Oil Salesman

      Excellent well done.


  45. on January 20, 2012 at 8:04 pm riversidemale

    Well I remember attending a seminar with the CPS, what an enlightening experience I can tell you and one thing sticks in my mind when the CPS Rep said she didn’t believe in charging with the offence “Assault on Police” becasue she believed every officer should expect to be assaulted during the course of they career.

    You could have heard a pin drop until someone asked if she had any members of her family in the police and would she like it if someone hit her becasue of her job. Answer no reply.

    I also remember a CID Officer with about 25yrs in getting up walking to the door and telling her she had wasted enough of his time and didn’t need to hear anymore of this crap and then walking out. Don’t know what happened to him after but it made us in uniform laugh.

    Just remember boys and girls we will support you and stay safe out there.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 8:31 pm Reacher

      Surprised someone didn’t lamp her with the comment “well teachers/trainers in this day and age should be expected to be assaulted during the course of their career.”
      The bravery of these UNARMED officers cannot be downplayed. Good job PC’s and hope the injuries haven’t caused any long term problems.
      As Buzz likes to say Chicks dig scars.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 8:36 pm Reacher

        Apologies rivers I misread your post about the female being a CPS Rep. Anyway comment still stands and just replace teachers with cretins!
        Dammit.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 9:08 pm Doh

      Is it the role of the CPS to decide to only prosecute those offences that they “believe in”?

      Until I started reading this blog I would have thought that an assault on a Police Officer would have resulted in prison. However the whole justice system seems to have become nothing short of a joke.


      • on January 20, 2012 at 11:39 pm Met DC

        The last suspect to be convicted of assaulting me received a £50 fine.


        • on January 21, 2012 at 11:05 am Doh

          So even if an assault is prosecuted the courts seem to agree with this CPS person.

          I just can’t understand how the CPS and courts can justify this even to themselves. I guess they don’t have to.

          Perhaps a case for elected magistrates/judges rather than Police Commissioners.


        • on January 21, 2012 at 6:53 pm SC Bakerloo

          Snap.

          Strangled, punched in the head and thrown to the floor.

          50 pissing quid…


      • on January 22, 2012 at 11:49 pm GrrrArg

        Local scrote recently broke my collegues finger whilst getting locked up for child neglect. He’s a young 6 foot male, shes a middle aged 5’6 female (hard as nails though!)

        CPS lawyer was trying to do their level best to NFA for all offences.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 9:16 pm Scully

      I don’t swear, but WTF would have escaped from my mouth. Bet if some scrote assaulted her (didn’t represent him well so he gets banged up), she would be screaming to Police to arrest him. Good on the CID Officer. I think everyone should have followed him out the door. What an insult to our colleagues!


      • on January 20, 2012 at 11:53 pm bruce

        It’s a sad comment that the rest of the course didn’t feel able to walk out too. A reflection on the management culture, not on them.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 7:11 am ob

      They arn’t all like that – There is one who mostly works out of Croydon who is very pro and always goes as hard as he can with assault police.


      • on January 22, 2012 at 11:50 pm GrrrArg

        Ex-copper?

        Theres some good ones out there.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 6:28 pm Snake Oil Salesman

      That’s a strange attitude for a prosecutor to have. But that sums up why I won’t work for that lot.


      • on January 22, 2012 at 12:14 pm Shafted Bluenose

        But you’ll defend those who assault police?


    • on January 21, 2012 at 7:24 pm Red Sky at night, Argos is alight (Croydon)

      Similar issue in HM Customs. Several years ago a decision was made that if an Officer arrested someone for assault or obstruction of a customs officer as per S.16 CEMA ’79, that it had to be by another officer, not the officer assaulted. The thinking (or non thinking of the chair bound non operational twat that made the policy) was that if you were able to effect an arrest, you had not been assaulted sufficiently, and therefore, it wasn’t worthy of an arrest and charge.

      However, I arrested a drunk woman in the Green channel after she punched kicked and scratched me after I had seized a large quantity of undeclared cigarettes from her. Her PNC was interesting, Long list of convictions for soliciting and living off immoral earnings, burglary, and allowing a premises to be used for the taking of drugs. Custody said I’d never get the Solicitor’s Office to prosecute her. I didn’t care by then. It was a quiet day and I spent the rest of my 11 hour shift writing the slowest notebook account ever, getting my minor injuries photographed and producing a perfect statement, while she wept in the cells. She was released without charge, and I gave her a leaflet about alcohol dependency. She might have learnt something.


  46. on January 20, 2012 at 8:13 pm angrymet

    Having just read this I felt the need to point out an incident during one of my training sessions.

    I take edged weapon defence rather seriously and was forced to castigate a PCSO who kept laughing during my pre-amble about the dangers of sharps and how likely it is that in a situation where a knife is present that someone will get cut. Really got my blood boiling. This one in particular looked about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.

    What we teach is simple and effective. I know that a small yellow battery powered device would be simple and much more effective.

    Buy them in bulk and save, save, save!


    • on January 21, 2012 at 8:40 pm SC Longago

      Small yellow battery powered device? Is that how you describe PCSOs in the Met?


  47. on January 20, 2012 at 8:22 pm angrymet

    Am I in filter land?


  48. on January 20, 2012 at 8:44 pm MP9000 ***

    FIRST!

    No one else said it so i thought i would :D

    Seriously though, echoing what MPS(n)P said, we need TASER as a frontline tool. It will not happen this side of the Olympics though – and probably not before hell freezes over.


    • on January 20, 2012 at 10:02 pm Whinger

      I wonder, if these Officers have less than 10 years in?

      If so, they Ard probably wondering if this job is worth doing anymore. If they are, they will be getting their Increments frozen etc.

      I have just done an estimate. I currently draw £1850 for an officer with 8 years in, in 2012.

      In 2015, after pay freeze, 1% rise and an extra 3 % into my pension I will be drawing about £1780! That’s £70 less than now. Take inflation into account and I am a damn sight worse off!

      It’s the same for all of us with less than 10 years in. Totally shafted!


      • on January 20, 2012 at 10:37 pm Muppeteer

        I’m not staying. Not when I have mates in trades that pull in twice what we do per month. Fair do’s they don’t have a pension scheme but do we anymore?

        As soon as the jobs market picks up I’m looking.


  49. on January 20, 2012 at 10:09 pm drsolly

    I’m a MOP, and I think you should all have tasers (after training).

    You’re there to keep *me* safe. I want you to have the tools to do it (and to keep yourselves safe, of course). Where do I vote for this?


  50. on January 20, 2012 at 10:35 pm Muppeteer

    Been there, done that, waited 18months for the complaint file to be quashed after the holder of the knife was suitably advised.

    Had we been in possession of taser no bones would have been broken, no blood would have been spilled and no hospital stay would have been necessary.

    Well done to the two officers involved. As an ex serviceman I had my eye wiped when I realised there was in fact something police work could throw at me that would scare me, brown trousers all round.

    It still scares me to this day and I have a major sense of humour failure with colleagues who don’t wear their body armour.

    Stay safe out their folks and don’t be afraid to back off. We’re not thought highly enough of to risk our lives these days.


  51. on January 20, 2012 at 10:52 pm Wassup man innitt.

    Well, for what it’s worth, as a member of the public I very much appreciate the protection afforded to me and mine by the Police. The bile, malice and pig-ignorance from those who should know better expressed towards the people who keep the evil ones at bay sickens and depresses me.

    I am certain that the people who support you far outweigh those who don’t, but supportive voices are ignored in the same way as positive stories about the Police tend to be.

    Anyway, as I say, I realise that it’s not a lot of use but think you’re doing a fine job with considerable good grace and humanity and you deserve far, far better.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 1:31 pm MPS(n)P

      pig-ignorance?! Are you taking the mick sunshine?!

      Bake him away toys!
      ;-)


  52. on January 20, 2012 at 11:06 pm Jo (@_JoJo_x)

    How many fellow police spouses out there have had that phone call from the other half which starts something like, “listen, don’t worry I’m alright, but…”?
    Many of us no doubt. So glad the two officers are ok.

    On a lighter note. Am struggling to recall the old man ever mentioning this particular fitness test…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089359/Voyeur-films-police-officers-using-McDonalds-toilets-arrest-tells-I-checking-police-needed-p—-power.html


    • on January 21, 2012 at 3:11 pm Agent Zig Zag

      The Daily Wail reports…..”Eventually the police found a phone on him and discovered videos of a PC urinating on the phone.”

      What a bizarre practice. Was this phone waterproof?


      • on January 23, 2012 at 3:13 pm presuming ed ***

        Sure it wasn’t US Marines?


  53. on January 20, 2012 at 11:32 pm londonirvdriver

    And lets be totally honest here. There is absolutely nothing in the fitness requirements to join the job, or indeed any of the specialist roles, and DEFINITELY nothing in the annual joke that is “officer safety training” that prepares any of us to deal with this kind of situation and that kind of individual who is hell bent on causing serious injury with no thought for his own safety.

    Like others have said, on response we come across people with this kind of potential every so often. You get that feeling in your gut after the initial exchange of pleasantries, and if you are lucky enough to be with a colleague, you exchange a look, and suddenly you both assume something resembling a fighting stance and make sure you know where your partner is, and start seriously thinking about calling for back up.

    And if it is really bad, you might even get a bit of a adrenaline hit and start looking for things that might be used as weapons.

    Fortunately, in Metrocity help is never too far away and (touch wood) none of my response have ever sustained a serious injury as the “met police bundle” has always arrived on time, but we have come close a couple of times.

    At what point are we going to realise that there are people in our society who don’t play by the rules – I accept some of these people are suffering from mental illness – but that doesn’t make them any less dangerous.

    I’m not a coward, but some of these situations are genuinely scary and recent events have made me want a taser, which a couple of years ago, I didn’t want. End of the day, I want to go home in one piece. I know it is a dangerous job and I understand that, but equally some support would be nice once in a while!

    Stay safe out there.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 12:32 am Reacher

      Not a coincidence that many ex mob join the service but need proper training to be a good cop. The main reason from my experience is that coppers see people and react to that and have to rely on wits, skill and sometimes just luck.
      Tasers are needed no doubt. Plus lethal backup. ;)
      Pass the AK….. ;)


    • on January 21, 2012 at 12:38 am No Duff

      SPEAR HANDS, SPEAR HANDS!!!

      But yeah, OST/PDT/PDT utter trash.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 12:43 am Jo (@_JoJo_x)

      It seems the comments are going AWOL at the mo, so wherever this ends up just wanted to acknowledge the honest and real, from the heart statement from londonirvdriver. I want my husband and son to come home in one piece too. Well said.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 3:43 am MPS(n)P

      I’m not a coward, but some of these situations are genuinely scary and recent events have made me want a taser,

      Word bruv, you ain’t alone there!

      In the last year or so there have been 3 or 4 nasty stabbings of officers on my patch or the surrounding, some of which have been discussed on here. Pretty much all of them have been on early turn or during office hours when we’re not really expecting trouble and are probably still waking up.

      I’ve been to a couple of knife jobs recently where you get the sinking feeling as you look at who you’re with, or you realise that all your mates are tucked up and there might not be anyone to come if you press the red button.

      Your comments on officer safety are spot on – we recently ran a few scenarios for our newest babies on team, and the results were so appalling I couldn’t even bring myself to laugh. In fairness to the newbies, there are people with years in who show no awareness of their surroundings or their partner’s whereabouts, or when it does go bent they prove to be totally inept and ineffectual.


      • on January 21, 2012 at 7:38 am ColinTheCop

        I went to a domestic recently where the bloke was saying how he was going to either stab us or himself.

        I was telling him there is going to be no stabbing today.

        If only I stood where my probby was I would have realised he had already picked up the knife. He assumed I’d seen it and was playing it cool.

        Ha ha ha ha…. As if.


      • on January 21, 2012 at 5:09 pm R/T

        I really like your “scenarios” bit. Any way to put them on here without compromising please? I’d like to have my lot be one step ahead. Ta


        • on January 22, 2012 at 3:32 am MPS(n)P

          Nothing spectacular I’m afraid, sorry if I made it sound more exciting than it was.

          We have ex-borough OST instructors on team, so we took advantage of a couple of ‘Q’ shifts, dressed a few substantives up as slag and ran the brand new guys through a few ‘contact and engage’ roleplays. We did it out on the street not far from the nick, ran it on a spare radio channel and generally tried to make it as realistic as possible. Usual low-level stuff, stop and search, off weps, S5, that sort of thing – just to get them used to getting control of suspects, protecting their colleagues and getting in people’s pockets. The results were woeful, although in their defence they said they’d never done anything remotely like it in OST at Hendon, all their teaching involved static, compliant demonstrations of technique rather than ‘start to finish’ scenarios with what the prison service call ‘angry prisoners’.

          Looking back, I don’t think I did anything like that in the formal OST sessions either – I was lucky enough to have a few sweaty old trainers who encouraged us to get hands-on in the normal training role-plays. I wonder how confident or aware I would be if I hadn’t had several years of C&R experience before joining The Job.

          Most of our new intake on borough are ex-specials. A few are spot-on, but most are either scared of their shadow or just hopelessly incompetent. Being told that they are the bright future of policing because of their Independent Patrol Status hasn’t helped, as many don’t seem to think they have anything left to learn.

          As AngryMet mentions elsewhere, too many colleagues treat OST sessions as a bit of a giggle, and find it hilarious when they can’t master the techniques or slap on a cheeky lock here and there.


          • on January 22, 2012 at 10:01 am presuming ed ***

            “lock on”

            we could learn a lot from hmps


            • on January 22, 2012 at 3:35 pm MPS(n)P

              Agreed.

              While it’s worth remembering that HMPS have to put up with a more limited range of scenarios, their restraint training is generally much better – and even their riot training is 5 days (with the fitness test separately completed at establishment) rather than 2 days at Gravesend including the shield run test.

              Instead of limp “everybody wins” compliant role-plays at Hendon, new recruits should be shown that they will often have to work hard to defend themselves or restrain a scrote – OST doesn’t automatically give you ninja skills.


              • on January 23, 2012 at 12:05 am GrrrArg

                No resistance at all?

                Up ‘NorthNorth’ we started learning the techniques on complaint targets then scale up the resistance until the last days scenario where you get full resistance with the proviso of ‘try not to break bones or draw too much blood’.

                I got to play the ‘punter’ once round and managed to successfully remove the trainer and sock from one of the ‘cops’.

                All it really shows is the flaws in what we’re taught. Alot of it is BS.

                It’s a real big bugbear of mine and I have little time for people who aren’t switched on when at SD training or in ‘real life’.

                The 10 years of various types of martial arts i’ve done are worth more than the week at training school. Weird, that.


                • on January 23, 2012 at 3:11 pm presuming ed ***

                  Problem down here is that as soon as a bit of resistance comes into play, it just gives the tits-and-tears brigade and the shysters the gift of being able to feign injury and go off sick/claim compo, leaving the OST trainers on a sticky wicket.


          • on January 22, 2012 at 10:40 am londonirvdriver

            exactly the same where I am, mate. Too much mouth by half, gonna have to let a few people get themselves into trouble before they realise they know diddly squat about anything!


          • on January 23, 2012 at 9:10 am R/T

            MPS(n)P – sounds good. Thanks. You’re not bad for a Pan2!!


            • on January 23, 2012 at 7:43 pm MPS(n)P

              Pan 2 rules the roost, and you know it!

              Whoop whooop dat’s da sound of Emm Pee!


  54. on January 21, 2012 at 3:55 am ASNT

    Given how many posters on here state Response is viewed by those on high, why on earth would they roll out Taser to us? Can’t see it happening, myself.

    Happy to be proved wrong, but………………..


  55. on January 21, 2012 at 10:08 am ex grumpy traffic man

    I’m generally the first to moan about the state of affairs in our Force, but fair play to the powers that be, we seem to have Tasers a plenty on our response teams. At least half of my shift carry a taser (not me of course – too old and expendable!), although the amount of use they get is questionable. However, it only takes that one time to be used and it has more than proved its worth.

    Roll it out to everybody and bollocks to what the hand wringing civil rights movement and apologists think about it. The device is a life saver and we should all benefit from its protection.


    • on January 22, 2012 at 3:34 am MPS(n)P

      Wise words – however, as I read them I can hear JJ screeching ‘communities, communities, racists, communities!!’ in the distance!


      • on January 22, 2012 at 4:09 pm PC Lightyear

        Will someone please pour some water on VoldeJones so she screams “I’m melting” then curls up like the wicked witch


  56. on January 21, 2012 at 10:23 am angrymet

    Oh well, I’ll type it out again…

    I take the edged weapon training very seriously. The techniques we teach are simple and effective but only for a last resort. Taser is also simple and very effective. Most people who are trained seem to agree and understand the seriousness of a situation where someone has a knife or other edged weapon.

    However, less than a week after the butchers shop incident one PCSO thought it was all highly amusing and it took a lot of restraint on my part not to snap their neck. I just made them look silly in front of the rest of the group. The PCSO in question being one of the ones that is about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike and that would make excellent ballistic cover at a firearms incident. Obviously PCSO’s don’t get stabbed do they? Oh, but wait…

    Let’s see what happens with this post!


    • on January 21, 2012 at 1:17 pm MPS(n)P

      I vaguely know the PCSO who got nasty injuries in the XB stabbing where PC Madden had his throat cut. He takes knife incidents VERY seriously, has a charmingly direct turn of phrase and huge muscles – perhaps you could get him to pop over and help re-educate your waster PCSO(s)?! If all else fails he’d probably be helpful when it comes to hiding the body.

      On the knife tactics – I have no doubt that they are the best possible empty-hand technique that people have found, however I think that’s much like saying “the best way to fall from 20,000 feet without a parachute” or “the best way to fight 10 lions while cuffed in a rear stack”. There probably is a measurable difference in your chance of surviving, but I’d rather not be in that position in the first place!


      • on January 21, 2012 at 1:45 pm londonirvdriver

        soon as the guy gets the knife, I’m already in last resort territory. 18 inches of flexible steel isn’t long enough to get me any sort of distance, and CS… well I’ve never had to use it, but I’m pretty concerned that I will end up unable to see anything and thus basically a casualty.

        which leaves me with what, exactly?

        my wits, my shouty voice, my angry face and probably braining the guy with whatever I can pick up and hit him with.

        cracking!!

        I don’t doubt that the techniques taught to defend against “man with knife” can be effective, but the OST instructors I have had who have been honest have admitted that if you get stuck in that situation, you are highly likely to get stabbed, but with any luck you will be able to minimise the damage to the point where it doesn’t incapacitate you and render you likely to sustain a fatal injury.

        This isn’t particularly reassuring.


        • on January 21, 2012 at 10:44 pm angrymet

          Thanks for the responses guys! I know it’s a last resort but we teach it for exactly those reasons. I cannot wait
          ( and am doing all a mere PC can) until I am delivering Taser training to all of you. Until then, keep coming to OST!


        • on January 23, 2012 at 12:09 am GrrrArg

          We get 26 inchers in my farce. They are just as crap.

          I’ve used mine once, had zero effect.

          My knee worked much better – just glad he had a broom, not a knife.


          • on January 24, 2012 at 6:38 pm clickerville

            Probably of no use or interest, but a lad I took out on patrol many years ago, on an air base, felled a “suspected” intruder (he didn’t respond to my questioning with an appropriate degree of alacrity)

            A steel shod pick helf swung with enthusiasm and accuracy is awesome in its efficacy! Low tech, low cost, but no use in confined spaces! (Except for jabbing, which doesn’t get the “went down like a sack of sh#t” effect)


  57. on January 21, 2012 at 11:01 am Paul Robson

    It depends, surely.

    Seriously. Not stirring.

    To quote another poster “What the press fail to report was that these officers were single crewed, which is a new practice implemented to con the public into thinking there is more of us on the street.”

    Now, I’ve no problem with response officers (for example) getting the pension. People who’ve worked the streets for 30 years.

    However it is a gift, largely – your contributions don’t even nearly cover it.

    Bearing in mind what yourself, PC Copperfield and the other cop bloggers and posters write, and the above quote, and the twitter statement that there was two response officers for the whole of North Devon, there are far too many “Police Officers” doing non jobs – moving sideways away from the front line.

    I’m not a cop. But it strikes me that there are five types of “Police Officer” (this may be nonsense, feel free to correct me).

    1) Boys in Blue : Response Officers, Traffic Police, anyone who is out there 24/7 on the front line (potentially).
    2) Detective types : solving ongoing crimes kinda thing
    3) Specialists – real specialisms, gun units, forensics, (not just people who only deal with specific crimes and try to generate them, e.g. the local force got caught waiting in gay bars trying to persuade people to create hate crimes to justify the existence of the hate crimes unit). Diversity specialists should be sacked. Now.
    4) Management (only as much as necessary) which includes Gadget of course, and should (but probably aren’t) be experienced in one of the above at least and should (but probably don’t) go out on real Police work rather than play at it where the boss goes out in a big organised do for PR

    (Our local force used to do this on a regular basis, but they hadn’t apparently noticed that the imagery and names they used were strongly suggestive of Nazis …… reminds me of the time my boss wanted to call a product “Mayfair” and wouldn’t have it that this might be an issue as it’s the name of a pinup mag !)

    and

    5) everyone else. The people who send you emails, and demand you fill in unneccessary forms. Those who skive off into office work with no real pressure (compared to chucking out time on Saturday !) – except for Officers genuinely invalided out of the front line (not bl**dy “stress”).

    These should be classified as “admin”, not “police” and be paid and pensioned as such. i.e. not at all.

    (I haven’t forgotten the contribution of Specials but I guess they don’t get a pension !)

    It is interesting to consider the maths. North Devon, for example, has 2 response officers available. If you (guess) work 40 hours a week that suggests there are maybe 4 shifts of response officers (7 x 24 / 40 = 4.2) add a bit for holidays, sickness (mind you DW is a Nurse and they don’t replace ill staff), training and what have you, but it hardly suggests a vast number.

    Meanwhile there are 100,000 people working for the Police. Anyone know how many of these (reality, not fudged) are in groups 1 to 4 ?

    I seem to recall both Gadget and Copperfield writing something on the lines of “there’s plenty of people working in the Police, just not in the right places” (para.)


    • on January 21, 2012 at 1:12 pm PC Lightyear

      “except for Officers genuinely invalided out of the front line (not bl**dy “stress”).”

      You might wanna rethink that last line. Especially when one of the officers stabbed in the mentioned incidents go off with it.


      • on January 21, 2012 at 11:03 pm Snake Oil Salesman

        Agrees entirely. Push a person too far and they’ll snap.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 4:56 pm Had enough

      Are you sure your not a cop?


      • on January 21, 2012 at 6:49 pm npt bod

        With respect reconsider about stress. Unless u have been there, and seriousli i dont gloat, think about it.


        • on January 22, 2012 at 9:08 am Paul Robson

          Fair comment(s), so I withdraw that.

          I was not having a go at those who are genuinely suffering from stress after being flogged by management or whatever.

          Some people are simply worn down after 20 years of Saturday Night battles. Some people have one specific incident that makes it very difficult to return to their job (e.g. a very serious injury puts you in the position of having it at the back of your mind all the time and affects the approach). Stress at home (e.g. divorce, death) can also have an effect. These are probably verging on clinical depression rather than just stress.

          Having said that there are also those who run around claiming stress and bullying under the slightest pretext, and those who simply lie about it because it gets them where they want to be. The legal system is very generous to this group when it should tell them to XXXX off.

          One of the difficulties from a managerial point of view is that while often everyone knows the people who are worn down or temporary struggling are, and who the whingers and fibbers are, discriminating between them legally ican be very difficult.

          The place I used to work did this with sick pay. Those who you knew would come into work if they’d lost an arm got full pay whilst ill. Those who skived got SSP (much less). Then the idiot Labour lot made this illegal and you had to treat everyone “the same”.


          • on January 22, 2012 at 12:07 pm Stressedoutcop

            Tricky One this

            Been there – Done it – Got the T shirt and nobody knew apart from my self referred OH lady. No sick leave incurred either.

            I’ve also dealt in the past with the best policeman I’ve ever worked with who was shattered by the job and managed to hang on eventually for his 30. He didn’t exactly get a sympathetic hearing from the job who caused much of his angst but after 3 months sick leave he was back and still producing quality work.

            There are also those who take the stress option when they don’t get their own way. I like to think I can see the signs of stress, but the truth is everybody is different. There is work related stress from management pressure and then work related stress from what you see. Both can be detrimental to your health and The Police only play at OH in my opinion and don’t tackle the preventative side of things.

            We all put the nasty experiences away in a box somewhere and close the lid. We see the worst in human nature … Only the other week I was at a Fatal Accident and as usual MOP decided to cross the taped cordons, and when challenged the response “I don’t F+%ing care what’s happening over there I want to get to my home which is there” Ambo’s and Hems clearly very busy with the casualty.

            Well we are people that do care and are special people trying to do the right thing. Despite all that’s going on in the world – We’ll keep doing it. Keep up the good fight people and take care of yourselves too. SOC


            • on January 23, 2012 at 12:52 am Noddynodster

              Thanks to this job, I’ve been diagnosed with anxiety & depression and I’m currently off work. I’ve just been signed off for another two weeks but the thought of sitting at home for another fortnight is just as bad as the thought of going back to work.


              • on January 23, 2012 at 8:09 am Stressedoutcop

                Noddy – Don’t beat yourself up about it … takes a strong person to acknowledge somethings going on. You will get through it .. have a look at my old blog for some background ATB


              • on January 23, 2012 at 8:54 am MercenaryCpt

                Noddy when I get fcked off I book myself in for a jump at the local airfield. Works a treat! Mahoosive adrenaline rush burns off the stress and depression. ;)


              • on January 23, 2012 at 6:12 pm presuming ed ***

                Hoping for a speedy recovery back to health for you, mate. My two penneth worth: try not to hit the bottle too much, it doesn’t help.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 11:44 pm Ecky "6 Milestones" Thump

      I couldn’t give a shit if you’e job or MOP.

      You wrote “except for Officers genuinely invalided out of the front line (not bl**dy “stress”).”

      You have no idea how fecking stupid that comment makes you look. I can’t be arsed to argue with you as you’re not worth the energy. Knob end.


      • on January 22, 2012 at 9:10 am Paul Robson

        Thanks for the reasoned response.

        See above, but “stress” was in quotation marks for a reason.


        • on January 22, 2012 at 1:21 pm Ecky "6 Milestones" Thump

          Then why not explain yourself in full rather than using quotation marks? Even reading your comment again after taking on board your explanation it still reads the same.

          After 25 years of response and shift work, stress got to me. I had the most awful 2 years, and I’ve just managed to get back on track. Your comments about officers and stress were in poor taste.


          • on January 22, 2012 at 4:18 pm PC Lightyear

            To be fair Ecky he did withdraw it afterwards and a few people made similar comments to yours.

            I’ve been there too- job stress = relationship stress – which makes the job stress worse which makes the relationship worse- til one eventually gives.

            and no one gives a shite (except good guvnors and skippers)


            • on January 22, 2012 at 10:09 pm Ecky "6 Milestones" Thump

              You’re right , and perhaps I was a bit upfront. Apologies to Paul.


              • on January 23, 2012 at 10:03 pm Reacher

                Good on you man.
                Most reading this blog will come away with the realisation that cops are normal folk! Get stressed-out, whinge, moan and lose the plot off-duty is allowed.
                Had to tell some folks that their daughter would not be home again.
                14.

                ;(


    • on January 22, 2012 at 9:06 am W10 LDN

      Sorry but If the opportunity is there to have an easier life then people will take it, it’s human nature. I am in uniform and I deal with the public but I dont work nights as I’m on a neighbourhood team. I did five years on a response team in a busy inner London nick then moved to SNT when macpherson buggered up the shift pattern. I’m quite happy to admit that I have a cushier existence than response team officers but you know what I’m not in the slightest bit embarrassed about that. I am not lazy and when I am at work I put in the effort in but I have long ago realised that you can’t really change the world and there is no point ruining your health and family life trying. Lots of officers martyr themselves to the job but I’m not one of them. I know how to patrol and find toe rags but if my boss wants me to sit on my arse infront of a computer updating bullshit forms then who am I to argue? Ditto single crewing and everything else. Its this ‘can do’ attitude that has got is into this mess in the firstplace. Fair play to those two guys who arrested the male armed with a knife but I almost wish they had said ‘fuck this get an armed unit down here’.

      Good on those two guys for arresting that male with MH problems but at the end of the day it’s this ‘can do’ attitude that has got us


      • on January 23, 2012 at 4:28 pm alex

        100% agree with this post. this is sense right here. well said that man. weve got to stop making the system work.


      • on January 23, 2012 at 9:20 pm presuming ed ***

        Most of us joined for all the right reasons but it’s hard to argue with anything you’ve said. I too have, with a heavy heart, come to the conclusion that ‘can do’ can go and do one…


  58. on January 21, 2012 at 12:33 pm pj21***

    Haven’t seen this posted here yet, but more treachery from Call Me Dave:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/19/met-police-riots-costs-compensation


  59. on January 21, 2012 at 2:06 pm Sparrow

    Tim Collins gets things wrong, he is, I believe a good man.

    Do not fear the PCCs, their objective is to smash the criminal hold ACPO has kept on Policing for many, many years.

    ACPO, trust me, will wither and die on the vine, and it wont come a day too soon.

    The PCCs will make mistakes, that is life but they will be far more effective and HONEST than ACPO ever were


    • on January 21, 2012 at 2:39 pm MPSnP

      ACPO are positioning themselves to be the new ‘professional’ body of The Job. They might end up with a different name, but they will still be there winning over gullible politicians with bullshit bingo and bare faced lies, just as they are now.


      • on January 21, 2012 at 2:59 pm JW

        ACPO should be disbanded quicker than Diane Abbott can say ‘racist’.


        • on January 22, 2012 at 10:07 am presuming ed ***

          nothing’s that quick


  60. on January 21, 2012 at 3:36 pm E1

    Report: Undercover police had kids with activists
    Last updated: January 20th, 2012 03:27 PM (PST)

    Britain’s Guardian newspaper said Friday that two undercover police officers have fathered children with the activists they were spying on.

    Key details were hazy but the revelations are the latest in a series of reports which has cast doubt on whether undercover police in the U.K. go too far in seeking to infiltrate environmental, animal rights and extremist groups.

    British authorities are already preparing a report into the use of undercover officers after one of them caused a trial to collapse when his cover was blown.

    The Guardian said that two other police operatives had children while on the job, although the timing of the officers’ alleged relationships is unclear.The paper said one of them fathered a child in the 1980s and that another one did so “some years ago.” The paper said it was withholding the women and children’s names for reasons of privacy.

    The newspaper cited one of the now-former police operatives and an unnamed second person as the source for its reporting. An email seeking comment from the ex-officer named in the article was not immediately returned late Friday.

    A spokeswoman for Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary, the police body which is looking into the use of undercover officers, said she was checking to see whether the group could comment on report, which is due out in the Guardian’s Saturday edition but was available online late Friday.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 4:24 pm Agent Zig Zag

      Ooops! Had those officers not heard of using condons, the sheath of police?


      • on January 21, 2012 at 4:27 pm Retired Sgt

        Well this article is just like everything else in the Grauniad-hazy and unclear-in fact just like its readership


      • on January 22, 2012 at 4:56 pm Mjolinir

        @AZZ – Perhaps the ladies involved would have been suspicious about use of condoms – and realised they were ‘under cover’?

        IGMC.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 5:31 pm Bewildered

      “The Guardian said that two other police operatives had children while ‘on the job’.”
      Very droll.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 9:59 pm SC Bakerloo

      Brings whole new meaning to the “undercover infiltration”….


    • on January 22, 2012 at 12:51 pm Thirty done- long gone.

      Nearly as amusing as all those miner’s wives in t’north having copper’s kids in the early eighties.


    • on January 22, 2012 at 4:41 pm MercenaryCpt

      How about this guy who made sure he was paid to be on the job whilst
      on the job.
      Allegedly!
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088765/Police-officer-sacked-having-sex-FIVE-women-duty.html

      Gross mis-conduct going by the accompanying pictures. ;)
      * have coat


      • on January 22, 2012 at 7:40 pm presuming ed ***

        ‘Hell hath no fury…’ and all that.


        • on January 22, 2012 at 10:20 pm Chewie

          and
          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2082249/Pc-Jasbir-Singh-Dhanda-used-police-database-contact-vulnerable-women-sex.html

          and
          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2090234/Mohammed-Younas-Former-police-officer-raped-girl-7-jailed-18-years.html

          Whoever recruited these scrotes really hasn’t helped our cause at all.


  61. on January 21, 2012 at 4:11 pm Hogdayafternoon

    What always amazes me with these cases is when they go walkabout from their `secure` post incident care. You know that publicity is the thing that will lead to their re-`capture` yet the managment of the units go all wobbly when you try to include in the press release that the person is a danger to the public. I was once challenged over the use of such words and told `but he’s not dangerous when he takes his medication`, to which, my reply goes “So, IS he taking it, wherever he is at the moment?” Blank face and silence was the reply, but the objection to use f the word `dangerous` remained.


  62. on January 21, 2012 at 5:34 pm Mjolinir

    “The riots that never were” [Telegraph headline, 21 Jan]
    \\
    You would think the riots never happened after the mass disturbances of last summer were practically airbrushed from official crime statistics yesterday.
    \\
    The way police recorded disorder offences for the worst riots in a generation meant only a proportion of crimes were formally logged. In half of the worst hit areas, crime was shown to have actually decreased last August compared with the same month in 2010. In some boroughs where hundreds of yobs rampaged through the streets police recorded just one public disorder incident.
    \\
    But not a single force recorded an offence of rioting – which is defined by the Home Office as “12 or more people who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence for a common purpose”.
    \\

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9025885/The-riots-that-never-were.html


    • on January 21, 2012 at 5:53 pm Frank

      Dear Mjolnir,
      I don’t know if anyone has been charged with riot.
      Can anyone help with this?


      • on January 21, 2012 at 9:19 pm Reacher

        No riot mentioned until it came to paying up which call me Dave promised to fully re-invitee……..read this.
        “The Metropolitan police is facing a fresh £123m ‘black hole’ in the run-up to the Olympics as a result of the government’s failure to honour a David Cameron promise to foot the entire bill for policing during last summer’s riots.Six months after the violence many riot victims who lost their homes and businesses are also still waiting for compensation to be agreed. Those who have been made offers say payouts are frequently about half of the amount claimed. They also say receipts are being demanded for every damaged item, and that charitable donations they have received are being deducted from the final award.

        The mayor of London, Boris Johnson, wrote last week to the home secretary, Theresa May, pressing for a rapid resolution of the matter. He revealed that there were at least 2,000 outstanding riot claims – about half the total made – that had not yet been sorted out by the insurance companies, or the claims bureau in the case of the uninsured.

        Johnson also demanded a halt to the “totally unnecessary and unhelpful deduction” of charitable grants from riot compensation awards.

        According to Labour, Met police estimate their liabilities under the Riot Damages Act in the capital at £198m with a further £78m bill to be paid for their operational policing costs of bringing the riots under control.

        But the Home Office, in its final settlement, has so far indicated that it will only pay the Met £100m, covering only half the compensation bill – and just £52.7m or two-thirds of the direct costs of policing the riots.

        This leaves the Met, which is already facing a £85.5m deficit in its 2012-2013 budget as a result of Whitehall spending cuts, with a further £123m to find in the Olympics year. These figures have yet to be publicly announced.

        This contrasts sharply with the special grant settlement that the Home Office has reached with police forces in the West Midlands, Greater Manchester and Merseyside, which have had 100% of their compensation liabilities under the Riot Damages Act reimbursed and 85% of their operational policing costs.

        The Home Office told the Guardian on Thursday it would eventually meet the Met’s riot bill on the same basis.

        “The Met is yet to provide figures for its costs during the riots – either from Riot Damages Act liabilities or from operations mounted during the disturbances. As is the case with all forces affected by the riots, the Met will receive 100% of its RDA liabilities and 85% of operational costs,” said a spokesman.

        But the shadow home secretary, Yvette Cooper, said the Met’s figures showed the prime minister was breaking his promises to the victims of the riots and to the police who restored order last summer.

        “As the media attention has moved on, so it seems has David Cameron’s commitment to those communities. And the Met is being left with a very worrying budget gap in the run up to the Olympics as a result,” she said.

        “David Cameron promised that the Treasury would provide the money to pay the compensation for riot damages. But many victims are yet to receive a penny, the government hasn’t provided all the money and the police are being left to pick up the bill.

        “The prime minister also promised the government would provide extra help to cover the huge additional policing costs of restoring order to our streets, but again the government is leaving the police tens of millions of pounds short.”

        Cooper also pointed out that Home Office policy of funding only 85% of the costs of policing the riots and not the 100% promised by Cameron would leave forces outside London with a bill running into the millions on top of existing spending cuts.

        She also pointed to cases such as those of Mark Rees-Dawson and Niche Mufwankolo who have yet to receive any compensation.

        Rees-Dawson claimed £50,000 compensation after his uninsured flat in London Road, west Croydon, burned down with all his possessions inside. The loss adjusters appointed by the police have insisted on him sourcing receipts for furniture, appliances, fixtures and fittings even if he bought them years ago. The adjusters even insisted on meeting at Rees-Dawson’s flat even though it had burned to the ground. He is yet to receive a compensation offer from the Met.

        Niche Mufwankolo, the uninsured owner of the looted and damaged Pride of Tottenham pub on Tottenham High Road, made a claim for £100,000 under the Riot Damages Act. He has been unable to reopen since August because he has not received any compensation.”

        Looks like the “non-riot” became one somewhere along the line.
        However since this article the pgoverment have promised to cover 100% compensation claims and 85% of policing costs as was done for Manchester and Notts I think.
        Let’s see.


        • on January 22, 2012 at 8:51 am Inspector Monkfish

          Just another example of how you can’t trust one single word that escapes a politicians mouth.

          I read an interesting piece in the Sunday Times some weeks ago where Ron Liddle commented on how much of the ‘aid’ this country has given to African despots was actually spent on their private jets. Enough to fund 1/5 of the savings Winsor will produce.

          Its as Gadget says – there is money, its about priorities.

          Cnuts


        • on January 22, 2012 at 9:17 am presuming ed ***

          Mind you, why did the owner of a pub on Tottenham High Road not insure it?


          • on January 23, 2012 at 9:41 am Red Sky at night, Argos is alight (Croydon)

            Probably because the premiums would wipe out any profit.


            • on January 23, 2012 at 4:59 pm presuming ed ***

              I’d rather not have to pay for his gamble, personally.


      • on January 22, 2012 at 1:28 am Met DC

        None round my way – all charged with Violent Disorder.

        And yet, the reason this is apparently always chosen is because it avoids liability under the Riot Damages Act – and yet it doesn’t (see Reacher’s post below).

        The s1 Public Order offence has effectively been airbrushed from the books, despite last summer seeing the largest riots in this country for over 20 years.


  63. on January 21, 2012 at 5:51 pm All cars channel south

    OT but has anyone in MetPol noticed their radio reception being piss poor over the past few days? It seems as worse as ever and often skips or just cuts out all together.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 6:04 pm R/T

      Not cut out but deffo not great. Been using Pan 5 for stuff a lot more as it happens.


    • on January 22, 2012 at 1:34 am GPC

      Is it ..

      Norman Collier with his head in a bucket ????????????

      If it is any consolation – the radio reception is no better up noorth


    • on January 22, 2012 at 3:14 am MPS(n)P

      Aye – it’s getting increasingly atrocious. Even Metcall seem to be struggling to hear us.


    • on January 22, 2012 at 4:24 pm Welshasylumseeker

      Saturday night fight night and the despatchers were doing their best dalek impressions. Meanwhile whilst a s call was being (slowly) put out in the middle of most the team resolving a pub fight I found myself in the middle of 20 brawling down a side street, on my own. Red button? No chance can’t cut metcall off!!!


      • on January 22, 2012 at 6:14 pm MPS(n)P

        That’s getting worse as well – their obsession with S grades to the exclusion of all else.


        • on January 22, 2012 at 8:59 pm All cars channel south

          That and Metcall/IBO wanting to send people to report domestics at 2am for some reason.


  64. on January 21, 2012 at 6:52 pm James May for PM

    See some of SMT get involved!
    http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9485950.Top_cop_makes_an_arrest/


  65. on January 21, 2012 at 6:55 pm James May for PM

    And from just up the road. nice to see pro police comments – in the main – as well.

    http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9485773.Police_shoot_knifeman_after_stand_off/


  66. on January 21, 2012 at 7:39 pm davethedog

    2nd attempt. First disappeared into another dimension.

    ACPO Begging (Demanding) Bowl
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/cash_strapped_police_to_bail_out_private_firm_1_4166364


  67. on January 21, 2012 at 8:24 pm Soldier Joe

    This comment is a long way down the page so no-one will read it but I am in awe of our police officers. Why any of them choose this life is beyond me. The pay is ok but not fab; they’re fucked over by politicians and bureaucrats (often in the same uniforms) on a daily basis; and even the public they are protecting give them a hard time at the drop of a hat.

    Well I think they’re great.

    PS I am a 20-year served soldier with SF background; about to go back to Afghanistan shortly – and I wouldn’t be a copper these days. God bless you all.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 9:02 pm pj21***

      First to reply to Soldier Joe’s comments, having read it fully despite his assertion to the contrary.

      And Joe, thanks for your kind words. For what it’s worth – I don’t think I could do your job.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 9:03 pm Reacher

      Used to be a sound job before the meddling began in earnest and the pay and pensions were raided. Now it’s FUBAR and going to get a whole lot worse. Lots of ex-mob in the job are wondering why the hell they left green for blue.
      Stay safe Soldier at least the enemy is easily ID’d! Not so in the job.

      In some areas of the UK the Poleece are just an army of occupation in swamplands with their feral residents.
      Bet you wonder at times what you are fighting for when you return to see the state of the UK…. just like most coppers and other public sector workers on the frontline.
      Pah!


    • on January 21, 2012 at 9:28 pm Wee Jock McTavish

      Stay safe bud.


    • on January 22, 2012 at 1:01 am Shafted Bluenose

      Cheers pal, you keep your head down over there and I’ll do the same over here, all the best to you and yours :-)


    • on January 22, 2012 at 3:27 pm Special Dibble

      Legend. My brother told me there was a yank standing at the gate of lashkar gah and as the he and the brig drove past, he would raise his rifle above his head and shout “KILL STUFF”.

      Stay safe mate


    • on January 22, 2012 at 4:26 pm PC Lightyear

      Cheers Joe

      I’ll be honest and say I’m beginning to wish I’d stayed in Green!

      All the best to you


      • on January 23, 2012 at 9:55 pm doorbundle

        @ Buzz, Ditto! Soldier Joe, Be safe, Thanks for looking after us!


    • on January 23, 2012 at 11:12 pm Asitis

      God bless you Soldier Joe. I am another one who swapped Green for Blue. The Blue is definitely TJF :-(


  68. on January 21, 2012 at 8:36 pm 28/30

    Hampshire CC helping somebody into handcuffs between meetings and updating his twitter. Good stuff!
    In same area meanwhile, local councillor and prspective Tory PCC, Sean Woodward is quoted as saying ‘Police in Hampshire drive 5 million miles per year, which is an awful lot of fuel. There are savings that can be made.’

    Oh dear!


    • on January 21, 2012 at 10:17 pm guthrie

      Maybe they could double crew, saving a car or two in response to an incident?


      • on January 22, 2012 at 3:36 am MPS(n)P

        Heretic! Burn the witch!


      • on January 22, 2012 at 10:03 am East Anglian Constable

        Perhaps some senior officers could attend meetings between arresting people . . . . . . instead of arresting people between meetings


  69. on January 21, 2012 at 8:47 pm Moppy

    Totally O?T but I have a question. There seems to be a party a few doors up the street, which has loud music. As the evening wears on the toons for de yoot, and no it isn’t that sort of area, have been getting more “aggressive” in there beat. Now my question is, as it is saturday night should I try and prebook and IRV and an ambulance?

    Hopefully tongue in cheek……..

    Good Luck out there!


  70. on January 21, 2012 at 9:17 pm Moppy

    I apologise if this is a duplicate.

    O/T but I have a question.

    There is a party a few doors along, the “music” is getting more aggressive “toons for da yoot” that sort of thing. As this is not the sort of area that gets this type of thing I need some advice. This being saturday night, should I try and pre book the IRV and ambulance?

    Hopefully tongue in cheek.

    Be careful.


  71. on January 21, 2012 at 9:20 pm Ex Chief Inspector

    Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse with the whole PCC saga:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jan/21/john-prescott-elected-police-commissioner

    Jabba the Hutt as your very own PCC? Anyone else still think this is a good idea?


    • on January 22, 2012 at 12:52 am GPC

      Police Commissioner !!!!

      The man should have been charged with misconduct for boning his secretary on the official desk after a Remembrance Sunday Parade (cops are usually charged for this)..

      snotting egg throwers (although the scally deserved a crack, I wouldn’t have got away with it). Prescott then glorified violence by turning up on an election battle bus in Llandudno 10 years later with the Rocky Theme playing !!

      claiming for mock tudor beams and two toilet seats, paying peppercorn rent for a two-bedroom flat in Clapham that was owned by the RMT rail union, and had free use of Dorneywood, the country estate where he was photographed playing croquet while supposedly in charge of the country.

      I think most educated people would consider him a criminal!


      • on January 22, 2012 at 8:43 am presuming ed ***

        John Prescott (2008, while criticising ‘flunkies and titles’): “I don’t want to be a member of the House of Lords. I will not accept it.”

        John Prescott (2010, while accepting his peerage): “It provides me an opportunity on environment.” (an apparent (if poorly-worded) attempt to claim that it gave him an ‘opportunity to influence environmental policy’).

        Typical Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem (whatever) hypocrite.


    • on January 22, 2012 at 6:22 pm SC Longago

      “…his native Humberside…” Isn’t he a Scouser? I know he likes Hull enough to stay there but surely even they would like to see him back where he comes from?


  72. on January 21, 2012 at 9:21 pm Bernie174

    CC of Hants still holds the office of Constable, so it’s his bloody duty! I don’t seem to recall the evening papers trumpeting “Bernie174 makes arrest” when I did…

    As for Mr Woodward? Pillock! I wasn’t going to vote for him anyway, I thought I’d vote for the biggest T**s, not the biggest T**


    • on January 22, 2012 at 4:31 pm PC Lightyear

      Does he? I know senior Met ranks don’t, they ditch the warrant card and are sworn in as JPs on 5 year contracts


      • on January 22, 2012 at 5:50 pm guthrie

        What, really? That doesn’t make sense to me.


        • on January 22, 2012 at 10:10 pm PC Lightyear

          Easy- 5 year contracts make them pliable to hit targets…. A cynic might say


          • on January 22, 2012 at 10:23 pm Reacher

            Eh?
            What you suggesting Buzz?


  73. on January 21, 2012 at 9:30 pm The Seagull

    There’s only one primary response for an individual armed with an egged weapon and the apparent motivation to use it. A firearm.

    Taser is better than nothing but it’s not the be all and end all some people believe it to be.


  74. on January 21, 2012 at 9:31 pm The Seagull

    Egged? Edged. Bloody sausage finger/iPad combo.


    • on January 21, 2012 at 9:46 pm Reacher

      Thought egged was some Canuck slang you’d picked up!
      Hah!
      Taser needs lethal backup IMHO.


  75. on January 21, 2012 at 9:50 pm headhunter

    I quite liked egged. Made it quite funny. Sometimes this place is a yolk a minute!


    • on January 22, 2012 at 6:24 pm SC Longago

      I thought The Seagull was commenting on Prescott. ;-)


  76. on January 21, 2012 at 9:52 pm headhunter

    Actually Reacher, it’s my opinion that firearms need a non lethal back up. And cops might fly. I know I know! :)


    • on January 21, 2012 at 10:07 pm Reacher

      Thought the red disco light is the non lethal reminder of the fun about to commence unless the very simple instructions are complied with. Amazing how get down blah blah is interpreted as keep waving off wep around until the light is seen. Literally! ;)


  77. on January 21, 2012 at 11:23 pm MoP James

    Someone is killed in Britain every week by a nutter who in earlier times would have been cared for in an asylum.

    For some reason this fact does not press the “hot button” of either the public or politicians. Perhaps because they think of the cost of re-opening the asylums, compared to “care in the community” (often meaning no care at all).


  78. on January 21, 2012 at 11:30 pm MoP James

    Here’s a question that you could ask all the candidates for Commissioner.

    “Would you be willing to become a Special Constable so you could learn more about the job the Police do?”

    I expect Tim Collins would sign up immediately, unlike some of the other candidates. He’s a long way from being the worst you could get.


    • on January 22, 2012 at 1:31 am GPC

      Would John Prescott pass the interview and back ground checks….

      Just google him and work out if the allegations against him would have done a serving officer out of a job and possibly in prison


      • on January 22, 2012 at 8:46 am presuming ed ***

        Fear not – he’d devour the application form before he was able to complete and return it…


        • on January 22, 2012 at 10:25 pm Reacher

          “Devour the application form.”
          Oh man that made me laugh!


      • on January 22, 2012 at 6:27 pm SC Longago

        He wouldn’t pass the fitness test – neither the Shuttle Run nor BMI. He might if a pie-eating contest were part of the process, though.


        • on January 23, 2012 at 7:16 pm MPS(n)P

          I thought it was – that’s how I got in!


    • on January 22, 2012 at 8:15 am No idea of what it takes

      Tim Collins wanted to ‘give special constables all the powers of officers’ – so he don’t qualify to be a special – as he is a twonk!

      Poor old Kent – they really don’t deserve him.


    • on January 22, 2012 at 4:30 pm Not Good Enough

      Special Constables are barred from the post.
      As are serving MPs. I’m sure a Lord is an MP…?


      • on January 23, 2012 at 6:24 pm Metcountymounty

        Isn’t David Davis MP a special with BTP?


        • on January 23, 2012 at 8:31 pm thespecialone

          http://www.david-daviesmp.co.uk/gallery.aspx?id=9


  79. on January 22, 2012 at 8:04 am Otto

    How funny to see you all complaining about your pensions being taken!
    Did you all REALLY think you were regarded as special and would not suffer as the other 99% are?
    Your scorn of the “Krusties” who at least tried to make a stand, seems rather hollow now I think !


    • on January 22, 2012 at 8:18 am Twatwatch

      Where are the Krusties now otto? Yet we are still here.

      Jog on low quality troll…..


      • on January 22, 2012 at 8:46 am Otto

        ” Yet we are still here.”

        Indeed you are! Simply b itching on a notice board!!


        • on January 22, 2012 at 8:52 am presuming ed ***

          … bitching, yet at the same time still putting ourselves between knife wielding maniacs (as above) and you and yours. But you’re right, YOU’RE the ones making a real difference, not us.


          • on January 22, 2012 at 11:05 am Shijuro

            Troll…


            • on January 22, 2012 at 11:37 am Soon to be Mr.

              He certainly is a troll. W”ho are the section of the public sector who pay the highest pension contribution at 11% – Answer the Police. Whose pension conribution is being increased to 14.5% – Answer the Police, so that we can defend the majority against the mindless criminals and anti social familes. (The includes Politicians).

              So Otto toddle off now to which ever class you come from.


              • on January 22, 2012 at 12:24 pm Shafted Bluenose

                Otto goes to classes? Bet whenever he gets bullied on Facebook or hears someone on the other side of the road saying the N word to someone else in a conversation he’s not even part of he’s straight on the blower to us expressing his outrage and wanting action taken. His type usually are.


  80. on January 22, 2012 at 2:37 pm 2BorNot2B

    Completly OT but any truth in rumours CC of a certain force is going to be addressing the whole farce on Monday?


  81. on January 22, 2012 at 3:15 pm Bristol MOP

    Prescott for commissioner?

    See the Guardian comments

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2012/jan/22/john-prescott-police-commissioner

    If he ever becomes a commissioner it will prove the public are stupid and we are all going to hell in hand cart


  82. on January 22, 2012 at 4:55 pm Ted

    OT – Chicago cops shoot pit-bulls after they seriously injure a jogger. The dogs attacked the cops first. In the UK would this have been two cops injured as well?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57351002/chicago-jogger-critically-hurt-in-pit-bull-attack/


    • on January 23, 2012 at 5:55 am JuliaM

      It was nearly two US cops injured as well:

      “She said one indication of how powerful the dogs were was what happened after they were shot: One ran across a path before it fell and another ran in circles for what seemed like minutes before it, too, finally fell to the ground.”


      • on January 23, 2012 at 8:07 am Had enough

        It’s ok we don’t have pit bulls in the uk there all staffies so it’s unlikely to happen here!!!

        Deed not breed, my arse.


        • on January 23, 2012 at 6:41 pm presuming ed ***

          Know what you mean, “Nah mate, it’s a staffy-bulldog cross, innit?” There is no place whatsoever for Pit Bulls in UK homes and streets. None of this ‘It’s okay to keep them if you get them tattoo’d and chipped and muzzled in public’ nonsense (from the courts). Magnificent animals, but they are not pets, they are fighting machines and there’s no stopping them if they get the urge. And in the hands of our chavscum underclass…


          • on January 24, 2012 at 12:58 pm JuliaM

            I see the mother of the four-year-old mauled to death by his uncle’s pitbull (which the family believed was an American Bulldog, as gawd’s our witness, yer ‘onour!) is doing the talk show circuit having written to the government demanding all dogs be muzzled in their own homes…

            You couldn’t make it up!


  83. on January 22, 2012 at 8:37 pm The Sybarite

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2090234/Mohammed-Younas-Former-police-officer-raped-girl-7-jailed-18-years.html
    Please tell me this isn’t true? Have we been so strangulated by ethnic ‘correctness’ that innocents have to pay the price? Shit this makes me so cross.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 5:53 am JuliaM

      TVP seem to have got shot of him as quickly as they possibly could, to their credit:

      “The 43-year-old officer was sacked from Thames Valley Police after being disciplined for repeatedly threatening witnesses who had lodged complaints against him.”


    • on January 23, 2012 at 3:35 pm presuming ed ***

      18 years still not enough for this vile piece of excrement IMO.


    • on January 24, 2012 at 9:59 am Anon

      Read this but know the case – this chap was sacked over TEN years ago. Doesn’t say that thought does it. Deplorable reporting – as usual.


  84. on January 22, 2012 at 8:44 pm The Sybarite

    I all seriousness how do you apply for these commissioner posts? Maybe I should give it a go?


    • on January 22, 2012 at 9:01 pm All cars channel south

      You’ve probably got to have a dislike of the police, a love of politics and “shafting response officers” should be first on your list of things to do.


      • on January 22, 2012 at 9:18 pm The Sybarite

        Not qualified on the 1st and 3rd things then, maybe even the 2nd. I just don’t want to do it but worry about the sort of people who will if I don’t really.


      • on January 22, 2012 at 9:27 pm Shafted

        Sounds like Brian Paddick fits the bill, especially the last bit.


        • on January 22, 2012 at 9:48 pm The Sybarite

          Seriously could someone point me to the right links for TVP please.


          • on January 22, 2012 at 10:18 pm presuming ed ***

            Don’t think you can apply just yet TS, but the following PDF might be a start:

            http://www.tvpa.police.uk/_db/_documents/Have_you_got_what_it_takes.pdf

            for further info, email:

            pccinfo@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk (apparently)


          • on January 22, 2012 at 10:22 pm pj21***

            http://www.tvpa.police.uk/policeandcrimecommissioners.cfm

            Fill yer boots.


            • on January 22, 2012 at 10:40 pm 72JOINER

              Quote during the August ‘violent disorders’ from David Davies MP (monmouth) who is also a Special Constable.

              “I spent the next day listening as various MPs seemed to put some of the blame on the police and demanded “robust” action. Yet over the last six years I have heard those same MPs criticise the police when they have used force to clear demonstrators or “kettled” them in. The cry in the past has always been “there is too much police brutality” now the cry seems to be “there is not enough police brutality”.

              One officer I spoke with that night summed up the feeling many of them have. “It’s all very well for MPs to tell us to be “robust” – but will they come into court with us if we get charged because a violent protestor is injured being struck by a baton?”

              These officers, in the frontline of keeping our streets safe deserve a clear answer to that question.”.

              I am certainly not a Tory but if we are to have PCC foisted onto us perhaps he could be a candidate.

              At least he seems to be prepared to really find out what its like.


              • on January 23, 2012 at 9:32 pm PC Lightyear

                He has spoken sense in the past. Shame there aren’t more like him


          • on January 22, 2012 at 10:40 pm Reacher

            Go for it Syb….why the fck not!
            At least it will be an adventure.
            Plus you could employ the Guv as a consultant of sorts if needed. ;)


  85. on January 22, 2012 at 11:00 pm wmidplod

    Been a tad hard posting recently as when not working I am asleep!!
    The last few posts are 100% correct as normal,It is obvious to us on the front line that there are plenty of officers but not enough on RESPONSE.

    If no response officers turned up for duty for a day,….IT WOULD BE ANARCHY AND PEOPLE WOULD DIE!!!!!!!

    If other non response officers didnt go to work for a day…or two……..Nope.

    Value what we do before it all goes tits up,the recession won’t last forever,and I really don’t like my job any more.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 7:00 am Pat

      Sorry to burst your bubble poppet, but the recession will last quite a while as our standard of living has been based on a bubble provided by cheap money which also fueled the housing bubble. Morons thought that they could get rich by selling houses to each other. A vast re correction in the economy will have to take place before living standards start to rise. A report issued today say it will take at least 10 years to achieve this.
      Sorry you don`t like your job any more, I always consider liking a job to be a bonus, not a right. though.
      So what are you going to do about it?


      • on January 23, 2012 at 9:38 am OWNED

        But the fact is that he DID like his job. And i am sure his change of heart breaks it too.

        Most people here are developing a dislike for the police not because the core of the job has changed but because of the way we are forced to deal with it.

        We are being forced to be dishonest. We are being forced to do things that will lose us our jobs on another day. We are being told to do one thing and then being told we should have done the other. We are taking responsibility for everyones actions. We are entering a more and more dangerous world but being given less to deal with it. We are been given conflicting messages. We are being used as a weapon by the politico.

        If we become whistleblowers we will lose our job. If we stick up for what is right we get bullied by people with backing of the highest order.

        If you look at all the messages of this site you will see that most of the outrage is not because we are getting paid less or other selfish reasons but because we cannot do our job right………….for you.

        We should love our jobs more so than anyone. You can criticise us if you will but you are about to end up with a new generation of police that don’t care and who i suspect will be everything you think we are.
        We are not dishonest, we are keen, we are hardworking, we are brave, we care. It will go.

        Remember the 80′s. I do. When i came to London on holidays there were no go areas during the day. Random crime was bad. It will come again. And wmidplod will be off advising TESCO in his new consulting job.

        This job is a vocation. But we are not willing to sacrifice the rest of our lives to people who will let us hang on the say so of a scrote a newspaper and a promotion hungry officer.

        I suspect it is too late already. I suspect that that the recession will pass long before the police are back to what they should be.

        I have no doubt that in 10-20 years time all the silly, idiotic politicians and naysayers will be saying “IF ONLY THIS LOT WERE HALF AS GOOD AS THE ONES DURING THE RIOTS. REMEMBER, THEY WOULD GO OUT AND TACKLE KNIVES AND THEY WERE NEVER ON STRIKE. THIS LOT ARE ALWAYS ON STRIKE. THIS LOT WON’T DO ANYTHING AS THEY ARE HIDING BEHIND H&S. OH WELL MAYBE THESE NEW REFORMS WILL HELP”

        And remember…..If it takes 10 years to turn around and get some common scene back into police it will take another 10-15 to regain the skill and knowledge lost……..at least.


        • on January 23, 2012 at 2:25 pm Scarlet Pimple.

          Your comment, Brother, stands on it’s own and needs no remarks from the rest of us.
          SP.


          • on January 24, 2012 at 4:25 am Maroon Lid

            Man … one of the best and most accurate posts i’ve ever read on here ….

            all true and bang on the money ……


        • on January 23, 2012 at 5:14 pm GU!

          correct on every point.


      • on January 23, 2012 at 6:35 pm wmidplod

        Go and Patronise someone else jerkoff.


        • on January 23, 2012 at 6:36 pm wmidplod

          my last was aimed at pat,sorry.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 8:23 am MPS(n)P

      If other non response officers didnt go to work for a day…or two

      You mean weekends and bank holidays? or nearly 2 weeks over Xmas? The only sign that the whole of NSY and ESB were on holiday was that there weren’t any bollocking emails from local SMT or new ‘good news’ SNT news items on the intranet.


      • on January 23, 2012 at 10:08 pm doorbundle

        Amazing how certain types of EMail are absent on a weekend. Absent landlord syndrome……then comes Monday prayers, then they start again.


        • on January 24, 2012 at 4:28 am Maroon Lid

          all true …. same with the SMT twitterers too……… twittering is ‘dead important’ apparently …. well it is on my LPU anyways … SMT are always doing this … usually about utter bollocks …. funny tho the twittering ceases around midday on a friday and starts up again about 9am on a Monday

          ….. I guess in between these dates and times the SMT must be out on the street fighting crime then eh??


    • on January 23, 2012 at 9:59 am JohnM

      This recession is fast descending to a depression.
      If Greece defaults on its dept payments then Portugal, reland, Spain and italy will not be far behind.
      THIS country (UK) has MORE dept than ANY other EU country (some 900% of GDP )
      The public dept (gov borrowing) is dwarfed by the private dept (banks and us), both industrial and natural
      Don’t forget, check your mortgage detail, if the banks go down your house is part of their assets.
      This recession is better than a worldwide depression.
      While people look at the Us and say YAYY!, they forget that the US has massive resources
      Not so the UK, and not so Europe.


      • on January 23, 2012 at 5:19 pm GU!

        Makes you wonder why our beloved MPs – who helped get us into this mess – are not looking to ‘reform’ their pensions, continue to claim expenses for almost everything and even retain their subsidised restaurant!


      • on January 23, 2012 at 8:30 pm GPC

        JohnM …

        We have one huge advantage over all the other EU countries though !!

        We are not in the Eurozone and can print our own money.

        Sure inflation may go up, but the bills can always be paid.That is why we are still AAA and France isn’t

        Might stock up on bling from the pawnbrokers, and plenty of tins of baked beans though

        “”Don’t forget, check your mortgage detail, if the banks go down your house is part of their assets.”" – no, the loan they made to you is part of their assets. You continue on the same rate until the deal ends, after which you transfer to the company taking over the old bank or move


  86. on January 22, 2012 at 11:46 pm Shafted

    Everything was going so well, Everybody was livin in harmony, these cheeky chappies on the Farm were preachin love and understanding. Within a month it all went Tits up Why?


    • on January 23, 2012 at 1:50 am VerySpecialConstable

      I don’t suppose he’ll be getting a recording contract any time soon.


      • on January 23, 2012 at 10:19 am Scarlet pimple.

        So, this is the new voice of the land of Shakespere, Milton, Wordsdsworth and Masefield. Of Coleridge, Byron and Donne. Of Betjemen and Kipling.
        The seat of modern democracy, the home of free speech and justice.
        ‘This Sceptered Isle’. ‘ This other Eden’ .And you speak of diversity, excuse me whilst I go off quietly and slit my wrists!
        SP.


        • on January 23, 2012 at 12:26 pm Peter

          I hope that you are talking ironically when describing ” The seat of modern democracy, the home of free speech and justice.
          ‘This Sceptered Isle’. ” because when a colleagues just further up the board describes how he or she has to be dishonest to function were are surely living in “The Post Democratic Age” as foretold by “Lord” Mandleson four or five years ago.


          • on January 23, 2012 at 2:15 pm Scarlet Pimple.

            Yeah Peter, I was indulging in a little sarcasm or irony. take your pick.
            But please do not mention the name of the dreaded Mandy in the context of him being a foreteller of our miserable state, after all he was one of the main perpetrators. He, has slithered away with his pockets full of loot, to sun himself in warmer climes, whilst the source of his wealth is left scraping the barrel’s bottom. I wonder what Mandy’s Grandfather,who lived in Tottenham,
            would have thought of our brave new world and how the fruit of his loins turned out!
            SP


        • on January 23, 2012 at 9:37 pm Hope against hope

          Whilst driving home yesterday I tuned in to radio 4 (Sunday 5 p.m.) interviewed in Los Angeles was an ex con, three generations in prison. Two of his brothers were doing 100 plus years with no possibility of parole. At first I thought they were interviewing in say Tottenham but of course, here, a proper sentence for murder? ‘Course not- silly me.

          What I did realise was that this is just a preview of Tottenham et al, in another ten or so years, the criminals of course not the sentences.

          By the way, these sentences have reduced crime in L A by approximately half. Who’d have thunk it. LA disgtrict accounts for twelve percent of the USA population.


        • on January 23, 2012 at 10:11 pm doorbundle

          Two’s up on the razor blade?


      • on January 23, 2012 at 3:30 pm presuming ed ***

        FAO Guardian/Wail readers: THESE are the ‘slag’ we refer to who we target with our stop/search – they are NOT the innocent law abiding victims of racism that you would have everyone believe. Worth looking in their waistbands, you think?


    • on January 23, 2012 at 9:55 am beirutbeats

      Poetry.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 1:12 pm pj21***

      If I had produced that crap I’d be hiding my face too. I could make out the swear words but not much else.


      • on January 23, 2012 at 1:39 pm Shafted

        He doesn`t want his Mum to recognise him swearing and Tings.


        • on January 23, 2012 at 3:31 pm presuming ed ***

          Yer get me bruv innit


        • on January 23, 2012 at 8:46 pm pj21***

          And he kept looking around during the “performance” – presumably to check to see if any normal people were about and laughing at him.


          • on January 23, 2012 at 9:29 pm presuming ed ***

            or any potential robbery victims


      • on January 23, 2012 at 4:56 pm presuming ed ***

        Culture TV: “Drewbert is a creative and talented artist.”

        Err, no.


        • on January 23, 2012 at 7:32 pm Copperface

          Always liked this lot though, and remarkably prescient, not giving lots of gangsta attitude either, simply recognising what is wrong on their own patch:
          http://youtu.be/H_sCjlvIOeg


          • on January 24, 2012 at 10:13 am knownnotwanted

            that actually wasn’t bad. Not good with listening to the words of normal rap, but this was clearer then normal and correct.

            not sure what stance / opinion their solution is though.


        • on January 24, 2012 at 9:19 pm presuming ed ***

          Not quite ELO, not for me thanks.


  87. on January 23, 2012 at 9:52 am Red Sky at night, Argos is alight (Croydon)

    A weekend gangsta. A wannabe. Probably lives in a posh part of Hampstead with his professional parents.


  88. on January 23, 2012 at 10:02 am Big Wing

    Here in MPS land we are being ‘bombed’ with talk of Big Wing days – Thoes that do not learn the lessons of history -

    “While not effective as a fighting tactic the Big Wing, along with some blatant manipulation of statistics, worked as a political tool……”

    ” The Big Wing debacle was merely a smokescreen manipulated by his political enemies…..”

    !


    • on January 23, 2012 at 5:27 pm Agent Zig Zag

      Big wing?- that sounds like a lot of balbo to me.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 5:57 pm Bernie174

      Now, remind me of the scene from the Battle of Britain flim…?
      AOC 11 Group, AOCinC Fighter Command and AOC 12 Group..

      AOC 12 “I’d rather get 10 on the way back”.
      AOC 11 “Your not getting them on the way back, in fact your not getting any of them…”

      Or words to that effect.

      So Mr Commish….still thinking of the 12 Group Big wing?


      • on January 23, 2012 at 7:32 pm PC Lightyear

        My favourite ever film that.

        I can’t see see Boris turning to The Commissioner and asking “What do you need to win this war?”

        And the Commissoner replying “Give me a squadron of Hyundai i30s!”


        • on January 23, 2012 at 7:36 pm presuming ed ***

          … and some of those little scooters with two wheels at the front for the C3POs…


          • on January 23, 2012 at 9:34 pm PC Lightyear

            The 400cc ones actually shift! They’re quick enough round town. The 250cc ones however- suck. Lots.


            • on January 23, 2012 at 9:43 pm Bernie174

              I’m loving your work there Constable Lightyear!

              How about

              The battle of Winsor 1 is over…the Battle of Winsor 2 is about to begin

              Now all we need is PC’s with bumps to have a stocking allowance and look like Susannah York


              • on January 24, 2012 at 7:08 am PC Lightyear

                “Now all we need is PC’s with bumps to have a stocking allowance and look like Susannah York”

                Now coming over all unnecessary!


                • on January 24, 2012 at 8:20 am R/T

                  OMG! My fave too! It was the first film my dad took me to see at the cinema!

                  “Either we take off or we blow up”

                  “Pinetop control this is rabbit leader”

                  and

                  “dagga, dagga, dagga, dagga”

                  All misty-eyed now!


                • on January 24, 2012 at 5:13 pm Bernie174

                  To be fair, most of them when I was in the job weren’t the Ms York type…..Sadly!


        • on January 24, 2012 at 10:14 am knownnotwanted

          love the hyundai, better then the vauxhall crap.


  89. on January 23, 2012 at 12:24 pm No Duff

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-16672409

    And the lesson here kids is “just say no” when asked if you would mind taking out a camera crew.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 1:03 pm MP

      You beat me too it. Shafted or what. Everyday police work can be pretty unpleasant, clearly some delicate souls can’t hack reality.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 2:40 pm Whinger

      http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/9486447.Stabbed_PC_urges_caution_over_arming_all_officers/


      • on January 23, 2012 at 3:20 pm presuming ed ***

        Each to their own, I disagree with him on that point. He doesn’t actually say why he does not want to see all UL officers armed, while stating that Taser would have helped in this instance.


      • on January 23, 2012 at 7:36 pm Copperface

        Err, says a Taser would have stopped the attack but now he’s a traffic officer he doesn’t want everyone armed with them.
        Gee thanks.


      • on January 24, 2012 at 10:19 am knownnotwanted

        Yesterday I thought I was going to be confronted by a male and a knife, knowing my asp and cs would not be as much of a comfort as having a gun.

        Fotunately he didn’t have a weapon and I could relax.

        Before anyone talks about risk assessment, this was a male running away from police ( usual ) when I caught up with him, he pretended to try and pull something from the back of his waist band ( he did this, to slow down me rushing him – contrary to the opposite happening. ).


    • on January 23, 2012 at 3:22 pm Wee Jock McTavish

      There were NO Riots in Nottingham, the Council Police and everyone said so, seems like it would have been bad for tourism!


      • on January 23, 2012 at 3:33 pm presuming ed ***

        I’ve always wanted to go to Nottingham for a holiday, but I don’t know if Mrs Ed would forgive me splashing out all that money…


        • on January 23, 2012 at 6:44 pm Scarlet Pimple.

          I went to Nottingham twice, it was closed both times, spoke to a few natives, very friendly, kept on calling me ‘Ma Dook’ ( Got a translation it was ‘My Duck’) . Nottingham used to be famous for lace making, W.D. and H.O. Wills
          cigarettes, Players cigarettes and Raliegh Pedal cycles (Now all closed down). Oh and of course Robin Hood. Now it has a depressing University and Teaching Hospital, miserable outlook and a road link to Derby which is another place to avoid.
          No Ed , Mrs Ed is right about your holidays. Try Hay on Wye, you can spend hour upon hour browsing through all the book shops.much more civilised place and the natives speal English.
          Hee Hee.
          SP.


          • on January 23, 2012 at 6:47 pm Scarlet Pimple.

            Thats Speak on Speal


            • on January 23, 2012 at 6:55 pm MPS(n)P

              Gotcha! ;)

              You’re right about Hay on Wye though, and the area surrounding is great for bike rides…


          • on January 23, 2012 at 6:52 pm MPS(n)P

            *snigger*

            “and the natives speal English”.
            ;)


            • on January 23, 2012 at 7:05 pm Scarlet Pimple.

              MPS(n)P

              Enough! enough! or I shall assault your hearing with my ‘Spiel’ on The Metropolitan Police Canteen Services from 1829 to 1976. Which lecture includes
              The History of Spotted Dick.
              A Discourse on Cabinet Pudding
              And The Origins of Pie and Mash (Prepared Southwark style).


              • on January 23, 2012 at 7:13 pm MPS(n)P

                I’d retaliate with a seminar on how the canteens now openly admit that WE subsidise THEM – the prices are far higher than at high street shops and cafes. They justify this by saying they have to pay their wages – but I’m pretty sure that all the other shop staff I encounter get paid occasionally, despite not gouging me with prices far above RRP.

                The canteen isn’t open for 2/3rds of the time I’m at work anyway, so the end result is that Response don’t really use it. Opening times are contracting as custom falls – but the only victims will be the grouchy canteen staff themselves, and the 9-5 posse.


                • on January 23, 2012 at 7:26 pm Scarlet Pimple.

                  MPS(n)P

                  Seminar eh ?
                  Her’s a tip for you to break the ice.
                  Before your audience arrives, get a nail painted white and hammer it into the surface of your White Board. When the audience is seated, turn to them and say ‘Good Afternoon or Morning of course. Then turn to the White Board and in black marker pen, write the word Hook in large letters near the nail head and draw a hook. Then remove your jacket / tunic and hang it on the nail head.
                  It’s essential that you keep a straight face throughout . Then just carry on with your introduction without comment.

                  Used to work for me when I lectured at Hendon on thge odd occasion.


                  • on January 23, 2012 at 8:56 pm pj21***

                    Brilliant! I’m so going to do that!


                  • on January 23, 2012 at 11:19 pm The Society of Snake Oil Salesmen

                    Was that the golden hook?


                • on January 23, 2012 at 9:47 pm Bernie174

                  Ah, now, I was on the canteen committee at Maurce Drummond Broth…Section house.
                  The reason why they are so expensive is that they can only use prescribed suppliers. and guess what? They are really expensive! A supplier who knows he can have the Met Police over, and does? Who’d have thought it???


              • on January 23, 2012 at 7:50 pm Shafted

                Does it include Rissoles,Written on a smudgeable chalk Board?.


                • on January 23, 2012 at 9:44 pm Wee Jock McTavish

                  It said Rissoles did it, I thought it was something vulgar,. Mind you Rissoles are pretty vulgar anyway.

                  The cleaners always did a better breakfast than the canteen anyway!


  90. on January 23, 2012 at 6:01 pm GrrrArg

    http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16154782

    At least we aren’t suffering alone


  91. on January 23, 2012 at 6:07 pm presuming ed ***

    £5.7 million of tax payers money to subsidise 650 MPs and their lackeys gorging. That’s quite a trough, even by their standards.


    • on January 24, 2012 at 12:44 pm OompahLoompah

      My farce doesnt have one single canteen left. Not great when you are on lates/nights when the only places open are fast food, greasy places. Or on earlies.. the only places to get breakfast are the trucker greasy places.
      This story about the MPs moaning makes me mad!!! What the fook? Who the fook do they think they are? I cant wait until next election. I want each and everyone of these hypocritical barstewards out of a job.


  92. on January 23, 2012 at 6:39 pm OWNED

    That’s the same menu at edgware road met nick. And i agree. It is not good enough. I had the caviar last week and i suspect it was salmon roe.

    The week before i had the duck oysters with caramelised potato escalopes, pottered carrots, triple fried chips. The jus had split as they had added the bacon fat at to high a heat. Can you believe that. What is happening to the canteens in the met. I paid £2 for that meal.

    What would the public think if they knew that their hard earned money was going towards third world food for their MP’s and police. Shame on the met and the houses of parliament catering service.

    Anyway. Where is that uniform order form. I must submit my order request for my savile row uniform.

    Wankers……………………………….


    • on January 23, 2012 at 7:10 pm it's grim oop north

      My farce has done away with every canteen except the one at HQ (obviously only open for lunch for the 9-5 brigade).

      We do however have a healthy selection of crisps and chocolate from the vending machine in each divisional HQ,

      I saw an email last week that warned senior officers that all brew making kit and microwaves had to be removed from offices as a health and safety risk before the next inspection.

      YCMIU


      • on January 23, 2012 at 8:40 pm GPC

        Are you in my force ??

        You missed out the sandwich dispenser if you are?

        We also have “kettlestoppers” – a dame from Admin that descends on the offices and removes all our microwaves and kettles because of elf and safety saying they should be in the kitchen.

        We found an old sink built into some work top in a skip and stuck it in the corner of our office on top of two cabinets. It wasn’t plumbed in but we said – that is the kitchen and she gave up and let us leave it there!


  93. on January 23, 2012 at 7:17 pm Javelin Masculine

    Off topic and then some but….

    Anyone see the “alternative perspective” to why we shouldn’t cap benefits?

    BBC News had some whingeing woman (unemployed, 2 kids, single mum) who lives in a bloody nice house saying the cap would be “cruel”.

    She caused me to cover the TV with half digested spag bol when she pouted and asked rhetorically “why should I move from this nice house to an area where I don’t know anybody?!!”

    BECAUSE YOU HAVEN’T GOT A JOB AND LIVE IN A HOUSE MY FORMER CHIEF SUPER COULD BARELY AFFORD!!!

    Talking of which…I’m off for a coffee with Chief Super Duper Guy Ferguson in the next couple of weeks. Anyone got any further anecdotes for me to share with him?


    • on January 23, 2012 at 7:24 pm presuming ed ***

      Yeah, I saw that and thought it was some Little Britain/Harry Enfield-esque piss take until I realised that it was actually the BBC giving her views air time.

      Ask Ch Insp Ferguson if he can get me a job at Sutton.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 8:11 pm GPC

      Spongers…

      Was darn in the Met some months ago. Met a cop who drove 60 miles to work as he couldn’t afford to live there – even in the dumpy parts of Walthamstow!

      And yet these spongers winge because they might have to move so they can afford a cheaper house … welcome to our world – except we have to earn it


    • on January 23, 2012 at 8:55 pm Victor Stirling

      I’m getting rather tired of police officers bleating how hard their lot is, considering their generous salaries (Chief Super – nearly £80k) and even more generous pensions and perks, while the poor lady in question may be made homeless!


      • on January 23, 2012 at 8:59 pm pj21***

        Homeless?

        She’d have to donwgrade from Sky+ HD to normal Sky+ first, I suspect.


        • on January 24, 2012 at 12:27 am presuming ed ***

          “Poor lady”? A bit on the plump side to claim poverty – she could cut down on whatever she’s feeding herself, she could lose a few lbs as well as a few £s…


      • on January 23, 2012 at 9:01 pm jaded

        Oh dear- Victor,whatever we think of Chief Supers he/she has earned that money by joining the police and getting promoted.Getting up the duff by several losers is not meant to be a career path.
        A Chief Super in the Met can be in charge of over 1000 officers and civil staff at the bigger divisions.It’s a responsible job.

        PS a pension cannot by definition be MORE generous than your wages.


        • on January 23, 2012 at 9:16 pm Javelin Masculine

          Would like to point out that I wasn’t dissing Chief Supers…merely illustrating that a Borough Commander gets the same house as some workshy cnut.

          Question for those in the Met….A Chief Super commands a borough. A Deputy Assistant Commissioner heads up an area of Force infrastructure. What the hell does a Commander do?


          • on January 23, 2012 at 9:25 pm jaded

            Goes to meetings?
            Agrees with everything the Commish says in the hope of getting promoted?
            Says the word “community” as often as possible?
            The list is endless.Eight hours a day is not enough.


            • on January 23, 2012 at 9:30 pm Javelin Masculine

              I read Brian Paddick’s bio recently. While he mentions being a Commander (and taking a shine to Dizzy for some reason) he doesn’t actually say what one does. As ACC is equivalent it still doesn’t help as an ACC in most forces does the same job as a DAC or an AC in the Met.


      • on January 23, 2012 at 9:42 pm PC Lightyear

        I’m getting rather tired of your silliness Stirling.

        Also sick of having my pay and pension cut to fund people like her.

        I don’t begrudge people who have worked and paid their dues for years then claiming in hard times- that’s the whole purpose of benefits.

        Not however to subsidise people with a breeding habit to live in a house that a lot of hard working people couldn’t afford.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 9:24 pm Hope against hope

      You forgot to add the bit where she said “why should I give up my nice lifestyle”. (re Javelin Masculine.)


      • on January 23, 2012 at 9:34 pm Javelin Masculine

        I think I must have sub consciously blocked that bit of verbal runny bottom.

        Would just like to say that that woman is a festering female reproductive organ. I would type the actual word but the spam filter would box my ears.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 10:22 pm doorbundle

      She also mentioned ‘maintaining her lifestyle’…….in the radio clip of the I/view. FFS!


      • on January 24, 2012 at 12:18 am presuming ed ***

        Here she is, in all her self-entitled glory. Go to 00:50 seconds, if your BP can stand it:

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16676340


        • on January 24, 2012 at 11:01 am Copperface

          Unbelievable.
          Also noticed that the Labour peer speaking was Lord Mackenzie aka formerly Brian Mackenzie, one time president of the Superintendents Association and total brown noser……


          • on January 24, 2012 at 12:57 pm OompahLoompah

            @Victor No-one forced that “poor lady” to have three children. She can always get a job like all the rest of us do. Its not rocket science.. and the jobs are out there. And if she cant find a job as simple as potato picking or scanning items onto a machine at a supermarket.. i suggest she get off her fat arse and enroll in her local college to get some qualifications to aid her quest to get work.
            And next time she opens her legs to any tom, dick or harry… she sticks someone on the end of it. ITS NOT DIFFICULT.


            • on January 24, 2012 at 2:33 pm Javelin Masculine- 10*

              “someone on the end of it”….!

              The imagery is Pythonesque.


  94. on January 23, 2012 at 8:24 pm Serf

    Hypocritical old dog: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24029997-im-no-monarchist-but-i-cant-wait-to-join-royal-pageant-says-jenny-jones.do


    • on January 23, 2012 at 8:33 pm GPC

      “I’m not a royalist by any stretch of the imagination – …..drone…. but how can you resist”

      Someone with principles could resist – but you are a political whore Jennifer….

      ps – before anyone has a go – I am a royalist


  95. on January 23, 2012 at 8:54 pm presuming ed ***

    “… I would sell off the palace and some of the paintings that clearly belong to the people.” in the same breath as (on securing a place in the pageant, “.. it would be a hoot!”

    Notwithstanding the lovely Jenny’s breathtaking hypocrisy, I must confess that I’d forgive such a cutie anything…


  96. on January 23, 2012 at 9:26 pm presuming ed ***

    Worksop SNT pushing the local resolution nonsense on Coppers… “There’s a new Sheriff in town…”


  97. on January 23, 2012 at 9:28 pm pj21***

    She is a kind of MILF…


    • on January 23, 2012 at 9:37 pm Javelin Masculine- 10*

      Somebody on here said Cressida “get out of my incident room and stop yelling, I can’t hear what SO19 are saying at Stockwell” Dick was a MILF.

      Can’t see it myself and have had therapy since reading that comment.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 10:27 pm presuming ed ***

      She wasn’t, really…


      • on January 24, 2012 at 4:37 am All cars channel south

        I’d have a dash. Wait, are we talking about that blonde PCSO or Cressida Dick?


        • on January 24, 2012 at 4:38 am All cars channel south

          Ahh sod it. Either way I’m not picky.


          • on January 24, 2012 at 8:49 am MarkMyWords

            http://www.specsavers.co.uk/


            • on January 24, 2012 at 12:59 pm OompahLoompah

              How about you lot stop judging people on their looks?


              • on January 24, 2012 at 9:15 pm presuming ed ***

                Which of ‘us lot’ (other than, indirectly, MMW) referred to her/their looks? I tend to judge MILFs on their sense of humour, whether they are a ‘dog’ or ‘cat’ person and fashion sense – hence my negative rating on this occasion. Don’t you be so quick to judge yourself.


            • on January 24, 2012 at 1:48 pm SC Longago

              Good job I didn’t have a mug of tea in my hand, MMW. ;-)


              • on January 24, 2012 at 2:08 pm SC Longago

                Or a mouthful of tea, for that matter.


  98. on January 23, 2012 at 10:05 pm ob

    Even the MSC are now getting hit with the targets stick.

    Apparently we didn’t arrest enough people over the weekend :(


    • on January 23, 2012 at 10:11 pm presuming ed ***

      What are they going to do, not give you a bonus?


      • on January 23, 2012 at 10:36 pm doorbundle

        A boning, more likely.


      • on January 24, 2012 at 12:15 am ob

        Send us even more emails telling us how disappointed they are and how closely we are going to be watched.

        At least thats what happened when we got told we were arresting too many people 2 weeks ago.


        • on January 24, 2012 at 12:30 am presuming ed ***

          Ahh, we get those emails too. There’s a special ‘delete’ button that enables you to quickly file them in the right place.


        • on January 24, 2012 at 11:51 am SC Bakerloo

          I like how they aligned our arrest rates with our teams to boost overall figures, and to scrutinise our own.


  99. on January 23, 2012 at 10:47 pm Hajikoka

    Two jobs for the Fed.
    1; demand better PPe that IS NOT defeated by a pair of scissors- check out D3o.
    2; Start a civil action against the “health care professionals” who let that lunatic loose.


  100. on January 23, 2012 at 10:58 pm riversidemale

    Gov,
    Don’t know if you have heard what is going on in Cambridgeshire police regarding officers who have retired on Ill Health. A review is currently being under taken into the ill health pension paid to these officers.
    This review is being conducted by the Deputy Chief Constable and can only be for the benefit of the police and not the officers.
    This appears to me another example of the destruction of police pay and pension. It beggars belief.
    Keep safe boys and girls.


    • on January 24, 2012 at 10:14 am Soon to be Mr.

      Cambridgeshire seem to be intent on carrying on their persecutuion of Injury on duty Officers Pensions using Home Office Circular 46/2004. This is where the Labour Home Secretary tried to change the Police Pensions Regulations by a home office advice circular.

      Despite there now being about 7 stated cases stating that this is illegal several forces, including Cambridgeshire, are trying to ignore the Regulations. So we have certain Police Authorities and Chief Constable’s acting unlawfully and trying to moved band 3 and 4 officers to a rating of 0% disability and thus stealing their Injury Pensions.

      This is how many CVhief’s are showing complete contempt for their officers and for the law.

      If you did that then you would be appearing before those same officers for neglect of duty.


      • on January 24, 2012 at 12:36 pm Bringbackpeterimbert

        Attached is the relevant part of HO Circular 46/2004, which has been used by a number of the PSD’s of forces (including MetroCity) for the last few years to check up on those in receipt of injury pensions (usually on an ‘intelligence-led’ basis). Para18 is very revealing. I know from people that I worked with in Met DPS that the black hole in police funding since 2010 is generating a major review of Awards and Pensions right across England and Wales. We ain’t seen nothing yet!

        D. Police Injury Pension Reviews under K2

        17. Under Regulation K2 of the Police Pensions Regulations police authorities have a duty to keep existing injury pensions under review at such intervals as may be suitable. In planning a programme of reviews involving a number of former officers account should be taken of the need to ensure that any appeal against an SMP’s decision can be processed satisfactorily, both in terms of there being a timely appeal hearing and in terms of the force having the necessary paperwork and representatives ready for the appeal board.

        18. It is requested that any force planning to undertake such a programme of reviews should give adequate notice to Capita Health Solutions (CHS) about a possible increase in the number of appeals beyond their normal flow. A large-scale programme of reviews should entail at least 3 months’ notice to CHS so that they can ensure that the appeals can be heard as quickly as possible and to a manageable timetable. CHS would be happy to discuss any queries or concerns and give practical advice on the best way to proceed.


  101. on January 23, 2012 at 11:03 pm riversidemale

    Gov,

    Forgot to add I have obtained a copy of the letter the DCC has sent to all officers who receive ill health pension in Cambridgeshire if interested in seeing it.
    ps Cambridgeshire Police rubber heels reading this I’m not in or retired from or related to anyone in your force so happy hunting for the mole.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 11:19 pm presuming ed ***

      Any way you can scan/cut & paste or transcribe it?


    • on January 23, 2012 at 11:24 pm Shafted

      Don`t give us half a story.


    • on January 23, 2012 at 11:55 pm BeePee

      Mate, this may concern folk readig the Blog, think you need to paste!!


  102. on January 24, 2012 at 12:17 am Shafted

    You may find the same thing here, they have been going at Police Pensions for years there is nothing New. Unless you know different!

    http://www.pipin.org.uk/

    .


  103. on January 24, 2012 at 7:10 am PC Lightyear

    So…….

    Lower sentences for drug dealers and mules apparently…..

    All about ‘fairness’ and nothing to do with cost.

    Bollox


  104. on January 24, 2012 at 10:19 am Snake Oil Salesman

    Decriminalising drug laws is a simplistic solution which would have the effect of making the UK a safe haven for drug peddlars. It would also encourage more addicts and fuel more acquisitive offending.

    Just decriminalising won’t mean that the drugs will be available free of charge users will still obtain them and the state won’t be supplying them for nothing.

    So they will have to get the money somewhere.

    No we need more effective control methods to stem the flow of drugs into this country. The authorities are working to capacity.

    I would use the armed forces to patrol the shores of this country. We should look to the sovereignty of home before embarking on frolics abroad.

    No Richard, stick to what you are good at.


  105. on January 24, 2012 at 11:22 am Whinger

    Read the 4th paragraph. It is one sentence.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-16691315

    YAWN………….


  106. on January 24, 2012 at 11:34 am Tim

    i often wonder what the management think front line policing actually means, because im not certain they do.

    Then again, i do wonder if they see police cars driving past their tower on blues and think ‘that car had police written on it, thats a strange coincidence as people keep saying that word when i go down stairs to get to my bmw. What is this police they speak of? Oh well, cant daydream all the time, i have golf to get to’


  107. on January 24, 2012 at 12:26 pm Shafted

    Does anyone else get blocked content warning from antivirus when visiting this site?


    • on January 24, 2012 at 1:01 pm OompahLoompah

      no


    • on January 24, 2012 at 1:53 pm SC Longago

      Got one once. My antivirus took it round the back of the bike sheds and gave it a good kicking. It hasn’t been back since. However, Windows Internet Explorer keeps running away at the sight of a Gadget post so now I use Google Chrome instead.


  108. on January 24, 2012 at 2:58 pm Uniform

    The Lib Dems’ shadow home secretary, Chris Huhne, has adopted an ultra-tough line, calling on all police officers convicted of a criminal offence involving violence or dishonesty to be dismissed:

    The public entrust the police with the use of legal force precisely because they are self-disciplined and restrained, which is why anyone convicted of a violent offence should be dismissed. … “The public will be rightly concerned that there are serving police officers who have committed crimes as serious as GBH, assault, wounding and robbery. Allowing police officers convicted of offences of violence or dishonesty to continue serving merely brings the vast majority of law-abiding and diligent officers into disrepute. Police forces should get tough on bad apples.”

    http://www.chrishuhne.org.uk/news/631/over_a_thousand_serving_police_officers_have_criminal_convictions__huhne.html
    ————————————————————————————————

    Please please please please Mr CPS make my day

    the petard is hoisted and awaiting the Flanders murderer


    • on January 24, 2012 at 3:10 pm SC Longago

      Obviously, there must be two Chris Huhnes. This can’t be the one being investigated for dishonesty by Essex, surely?


      • on January 24, 2012 at 3:20 pm GPC

        I think Chris is getting his revenge in early !!!!

        I have emailed Guido and informed him of this pearl http://www.order-order.com

        Guido has a soft spot for flagging up Huhne and his antics


        • on January 24, 2012 at 3:26 pm All cars channel south

          Chris Huhne. A bitter little twat.



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