I started this Blog in 2006. Since then, we have been saying the same things over and over again.
1. Prison works if the sentence served is long and austere. Everything else is seen as a sign of weakness.
2. There are not enough police on emergency response teams, and those teams are seen as the bottom of the heap.
3. I do this anonymously because the establishment will do anything to hide these facts.
Now, after six years, established national media coverage, (nearly) two books, 8.6 million hits and some recognition by senior officers and politicians, we have three stories (well, four actually) which show that precisely nothing has been achieved at all in these areas of concern.
Let me summarise.
1. Prison sentencing, or rather the lack of it.
Two thugs involved in an attack on an innocent man in the street which put him in hospital for a month were spared prison after telling a judge they were sorry for their actions.
Emerging from court, Daniel Chrapkowski gleefully punched the air with both hands and danced on the steps, while his accomplice Thomas Lane made an obscene gesture and squared up to reporters and photographers.
Joseph O’Reilly, the victim, was repeatedly punched and kicked in the face and stomach for asking the offenders to stop throwing bins around in the street. He spent more than 40 hours undergoing X-rays and scans as well as emergency treatment for his injuries.
He suffered a badly fractured jaw and a bleed on the brain, and was forced to have a metal plate fitted into his face.
2. Response team numbers, or rather the lack of them.
The chair of Greater Manchester Police Federation has said force officers are “working well beyond maintainable limits”.
“Officers are working well beyond maintainable limits and they cannot sustain this pressure much longer,” he said.
“Response teams are barely able to function on a normal day and then when an incident occurs they are stretched well beyond capacity.”
“Officers are seeing their numbers depleted and, despite what some local commanders may tell force command, things are starting to come apart.”
3. Twitter, Facebook and Blogs.
AN outspoken Dorset Police officer faces disciplinary action after tweeting about cuts.
PC Nick Manning blasted Tory minster Theresa May, his senior officers, a lack of manpower, and the focus of resources on Bournemouth. He told his followers he had been given a ‘Regulation 14’ notice – a notice he is under investigation for possible misconduct.
This is one of his tweets from October 14th 2011.
• Last 3 nights in North Dorset 3 cops covering everything north of the A31, the public here should have #noconfidenceintheresamay.
A controversial 2009 Times article “outing” an anonymous police blogger called Nightjack was based on material obtained by email hacking, it has emerged in evidence to the Leveson inquiry.
Times editor James Harding told the inquiry on Tuesday he had disciplined the reporter involved for accessing the email account by giving him a written warning.
What does all this mean for us? Those of us who write, publish and comment on this Blog? Those who cover our stories in the media, those who publish the books and probably most of all the (literally) hundreds of thousands who silently read the thing?
What these stories show in sharp relief is that we are right. We have always been right. Right about the thugs laughing at the system, right about numbers and right to remain anonymous. We are not right about these things because we are better or more clever than anyone else. We are right about these things because, gulp, we are practitioners who see this stuff every working day (and night) of our lives. Simple really.
And the politicians know it. Witness the long sentences given out to the retail-rioters last summer. Witness the sudden requirement for large police numbers on the streets. They know. They just don’t want to pay to protect you when there is money to be spent on wild and unnecessary foreign adventures, city bonus payments, overseas aid and people running very fast around a track.
This November, you will have the chance to vote for your very own police commissioner. It might be important that you know what is actually going on, instead of what you are told is going on. Please keep reading this and other unofficial police publications. Choose the ones they want to close, that way you know you are getting the best information.
Gadget Note: I hope readers now understand why I do not have an email account or mobile telephone number associated with this Blog, why I post from portable equipment using multiple IP addresses and why I leave spoilers about my location and personal life on the Blog. Nearly 100 years ago, and again in the 1940′s, in common with probably most of you reading this, Gadgets from Ruralshire stood post and dug trenches in France and Northern Germany to protect our freedom. Last time I checked in with my Grandfather this included free speech.















First
Nice one MMW!
Close one!
First to say “well done”
First to say it’s a LO old B this first game.
Would now be a good time to point out that my 1st on the last post was a complete mistake? I’m therefore willing to donate it to someone who always tries really hard.
I don’t know what the fuss is about – it’s really easy apparently!
I see my stars are catching on
I have thought of a new game. First to honestly say they have a copy of Wasting MORE Police Time: Further Adventures in La La Land.
No fibbing as we can cross check with Amazon for availability.
What makes you say that?
Yeah, what`s this * crap anyway? I never bother playing the ‘first’ game personally. It trivialises the important messages Gadget is communicating to, er, our communities.
Apart from that one time of course when I had a really superb first, more by luck than judgment really, though there`s always an amount of skill involved.
I wish you could have been there to see it, still brings a tear to my eye. I remember it was a Friday, it was overcast, there had been a light rain that morning but now the first peeks of blue were showing through…. *sigh*.
Sorted
Catch on? Not at all!
1
damnit
Wahoo!
I was 1st the 1st time but the post disappeared, It’s NOT FAIR!!!!!
I see what you did there.
Erm…Syb I think you will find the evidence does not back up your statement.
End of last post I commented
“Yup all gone horribly wrong
First just in case”
There were 3 posts
its-all-going-horribly-wrong-shock
and then
its-all-going-horribly-wrong-shock-2
and then
its-all-going-horribly-wrong-shock-3
I scored a 1st on the second posting which was then withdrawn, I think I should get a star or summat for that?
Here you are mate: *
Oh thanks, I am happy now
Really?
Top ten?
Top 10!
Awesome post. That is all. No further comment can sum it up.
Apart from: is cleaver/clever thing a deliberate mistake?
Cleaver/clever?- just a hatchet job.
First
Really, Me?!
Gadget, don’t let the bastards find you. I think it’s not just your job that’s fucked, it’s this country too, and the establishment that runs it.
And not necessarily in that order!
Oh, bolox! When I posted there were no comments!
IG. Whoever you are. Whatever rank you actually hold, I have nothing but respect for you and I hope one day we get to meet so I can buy you a beer.
Is there room for another, thats another for a beer, not I want a room!
I’m not much into beer erm erm, but I’ll provide the food…..
We should meet in my club and drink pink gin. (Andrew, the bar man, can also pour a fine pint of stout.)
Where ever you meet him, just make sure the pub he’s selected has mobile phone coverage and that you know what he looks like, other wise it is tricky. I know from experience.
Get in – Top Ten
Top post IG.
The truth has answer habit of coming out.
Funny that!
* you may want to spell check cleaver?
Dammit should have spell checked mine. I mean’t a nasty habit not answer.
The irony!
OK maybe not top ten, but a propos de nothing the only thing I can observe about this BBC news is ‘No shit, Sherlock’….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16626558
“The number of knife-point robberies rose by 10% in the year to September”
What an excellent time to overhaul the stop-search policy NOT
Re the idea from BHH that 20% stop & searches should result in arrest.
I am a libertarian and don’t like the idea of someone, even a police officer, being able to stop and search someone when there is no specific reason to target that person.
However I accept that stop & search is a necessary evil in the current situation, with so much hostility & violence on the streets and so many people carrying knives.
The, IMHO, necessary restraint on stop & search is that it should be at as low a level as possible. In even Ruraltown’s swamp estate I am sure that there will be a few decent people and it would be wrong if they are alienated from the police by being stopped & searched too often.
So the idea that a certain %age stop & searches should result in a problem being deterred (arrest, caution, confiscation of knife, etc) has some merit.
However where I totally disagree with with BHH is:
i) Saying that the only ‘good’ result is an arrest
ii) Giving a figure of 20% based, as far as I can see, on no evidence whatsoever. From what I have read he has pulled that figure out of his … hat.
Jim
Thing is- you can choose to feel alienated (wrongly) or you can choose to cooperate in keeping your town safe and feel reassured. I know which one I choose.
Jim, I understand where you are coming from, but the sad fact of the matter is that innocent people are getting maimed and killed on the streets.
What is valued more, the life of an innocent or the inconvenience of being searched? I accept that there is always the possibility of the system being abused and allegations will always be made that certain sections of society are being unfairly targeted. But if the facts show that young white/black/yellow/purple people have a greater propensity to comit crime then those people should receive more attention than others. Its not to say that ALL the people in a particular demographic are bad, but to simply state that the facts show that more individulas from that demographic actually comit crime.
As a society we really do need to kick this insideous notion that ‘offending’ someone’s sensibilities, beliefs or rights is a heinous crime on a par with genocide. To my knowledge no one has died from being ‘offended’ but lots of people die from being stabbed or shot.
But hey, once all the sensible people have either been murdered, given up, or jumped ship and this country is populated by semi-neanderthals who couldnt manage to put a cross on a ballot paper, those in power will have won.
Pinch me – cos I’ve had enough of this bizarre dream!
You are agreeing with me but phrasing this as if you disagree.
I said that stop & search is necessary.
Jim
As is repeatedly stated the vast majority of those stopped and searched already have a PNCID, which means they are already known to Police.
We arent stupid and we dont stop and search for no specific reason – unless Sec 60 CJPOA is in place.
PC Angry
“the vast majority of those stopped and searched … are already known to Police”
I am sure that is the case but, with the best will in the world, you will make some mistakes and include some innocent people.
“unless Sec 60 CJPOA is in place”
I’m sorry but I don’t know what that is (I am a MoP). Possibly it is the sort of thing that I have seen where everyone entering an area is searched.
I can imagine that this will not be much fun if it happens to you (a someone who is not known to the police) too often. See my response to IG (at 4:14) for thoughts on what ‘too often’ means.
Jim
I turned someone over today who is CRO and he appeared to be messing about and not completely complying. ‘Come on, you know the score’ I said. ‘No I don’t, this is the first time this has ever happened to me’ he replied.
And people reckon we overdo it or target people unnecessarily? Crivvens!
James
No one on the Swamp gives a seconds thought to being searched UNLESS they have something on them.
I have never had a complaint about it in several decades.
Anti stop-search is mainly restricted to people with a certain ‘entitlement’ culture.
The rest of us just rub along quietly.
IG,
I said “a few decent people and it would be wrong if they are alienated from the police by being stopped & searched *too* often”, not that they could never be stopped & searched.
At an extreme, if someone (who was not a known villain) was stopped & searched on their way to the local shop and then on their way back again 10 minutes later I think we would both agree that this is too often.
The appropriate level will vary from place to place and time to time. If someone was stabbed round the corner yesterday then stopping & searching the same people today that were searched yesterday is probably okay. On another occasion that would be far too much.
Perhaps, unlike some people, I expect the police officers on the ground to be allowed to know their patch, have some experience and use their judgement.
Jim
I’ve never had a single complaint about stopping someone. Most are aware that they are ‘well worth a stop’ and view it as an occupational hazard or realise that there actions resulted in my actions or finally, they haven’t done anything worng but understand they were in the wrong place at the wrong time matching the right description.
Piss heads don’t count.
@ JBDG: ‘In even Ruraltown’s swamp estate I am sure that there will be a few decent people and it would be wrong if they are alienated from the police by being stopped & searched too often.’
On the contrary, I would assume that they would love to be searched, on the basis that this meant others were being searched too, and that many of the others were not law abiding. It would seem to me to be a small price to pay if it happened, which it doesn’t – the police rarely stop-search innocent people, despite what the Guardian claims.
There’s only two ways to deal with a stabbing: stop it before it happens by taking the knife away, or catch the knifeman after it has happened.
Even libertarians, on the whole, would prefer not to be stabbed.
I think I’m one of JBDG’s decent people. ‘Search – certainly officer, thanks for making the town a safer place’. Even if it’s only to even up the age / race / lifestyle / baldness / attitude statistics.
Bruce I certainly don’t want to be stopped and searched just to make up statistics. If I were stopped I would want it to be because I fitted the profile of someone they were looking for or I was carrying something that looked suspicious……such as the time I was getting odd looks in a shopping centre carrying in a black bin bag an item that apparantly looked like a leg……was a large wooden Tucan ornament I had just bought from a store.
Definitely with you on that, if in the last few days someone was stabbed by someone fitting the description of “White, middle-aged, balding, four-eyed, fat bloke in a combat jacket”, and local plod give me a pull because I fit the profile to a “T”, I don’t have a problem.
The daughter just got a house on local Chav estate (Kids eh, what they like?), she was on her way to shop and pulled by local mounted plod for no other reason than she’s a “New face”. She was asked “Have you ever been in trouble with police?”. She answers “No” with an accent that sounds (compared to the locals) as she’s straight out the Sorbonne. Quick PNC check, and on her way. Doubt she’ll ever get pulled again, unless they happen to be looking for a “Petite, posh sounding bird”.
Yet local plod are on the look out for someone fitting the description of “Black male, early 20s, slim build, 5′-10″ to 6′ wearing a hoody, trainers and tracky bottoms, any pull is for no other reason than they is racist….
First to complain about never having been searched, let alone searched by a policeman wearing riding boots.
It`s simple really just stop the ones carrying knives.
Can`t stop must get back to my planet
I notice there is no option to leave comments. I wanted to ask them what the ethnicity breakdown was on those figures.
It wouldn’t matter what the ethnicity figures are mate, you and I both know what they will be, the trouble is the BBC along with ‘academics’ like Richard Stone from the LSE will just say that it shows the police are racist because we target the same people over and over again. Not because they commit the same crimes over and over, no, but because we is racist. Innit.
Jim
I think you have answered your own question there ?
LONDON and West Midlands ?
But be careful though, those “figures” compiled from MG11 descriptions of offenders by VICTIMS may be construed as “POLICE WASCISM”.
Yep – ignore the facts based on the victims account, that way its far easier to blame the Police…
@JBDG. (sorry, but it just got really long) (Also sorry for the spelling. The mac is forcing correcting some words)
I understand that you know it is a necessary evil but let me tackle your reservations.
Lets put it this way. Have you or do you know anyone who way stopped and searched by the police.
I suspect the answer is no.
We do target the criminals. They are the ones complaining. They are making an issue out of it.
COMPLAINT – The police are stopping the same people over and over again.
FACT – These are the people committing the crime and as stated numerous times 99.9% of the time they are know to the police. So that is fantastic is it not that police are able 99.9% of the time to pick criminals. As yet we are not clairvoyent so we do not know when we SS people if they will be caring anything. But if on the way to commit a crime then our SS will have discouraged them to commit the crime.
I know you agree with SS. But as we don’t target law abiding people you will never have to worry unless you start wearing the local gang colours.
The only time in my career i saw innocent members SS in a large scale was when we still had S44 and the SMT, the SMT, SMT, SMT, SMT, bullied the new in service to SS as many people as they could using the S44 powers and whatever else. I have heard the phrase ‘sue laws’ in the last 5 years.
If you name one aspect of wrong doing in the police and i will easly link it back to SMT.
*Excessive use of SS. —-Orders from SMT to increase stops on anybody, dispite the quality enforced by veiled threats. It is a performance indicator for their bonus.
*de Méndez – Order from SMT. (I’m just surprised the shooter wasn’t ripped and sacked. Might have been.
-Other things you might have heard about the police.
-Racism – does not exist as far as i can see. I am a first gen ethnic minority. Over here 10 years now. Only inklings of racism was from other minorities thinking they could be racist. Stopped very soon. Might happen but not to me and not to my minority friends in the police.
-Excessive force and brutality. – Too scared of our own shadow to do that kind of stuff. If i so much as ruffle Tarquins hair i will be inhaling shit for eons.
With CCTV everywhere you have the proof soon enough. I have had people smash them selves up in custody in full view of the cameras and then accuse officers. Still has to be investigated. Officers on edge for months.
We are now trained not to bring suspects in lifts or similar confined and out of the way areas because of these spurious claims. Hell, even if someone tops them selves as i arrive i can expect a years grilling if a complaint goes in dispute me not being there yet and it being his own decision.
NAME A SUBJECT AND WE CAN DISCUSS.
Despite some cases of officers going rogue, which happens in every job (banking, media etc etc) we are good guys trying our best for you.
THAT is our good will. It is fading.
If we were just to work to rule this country would suffer badly, BADLY. IF WE STRKE………………
And we could organise and strike. But our good will and morals won’t let us unless we are endangered and that strike would be for the good of you as well as us.
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My job is to tackle violent people. I must seek them, go towards them. If they meet me with the extreme violence not only must i endure this violence as a matter of course but when i defend myself from it i may end up in prison for a decision made in 1/20 second while being attacked, protecting my life or yours.
When i carry out my basic duty, enshrined in law, i must endure constant criticism for doing my job.
My rules and policies change dramatically on a daily basis without notice. If i breach one of these i am in trouble. I do not get time to keep myself up to date.
I must endure spurious claims from people i arrest. They endanger my job and liberty and all it would take is an ambitious PSD officer, SMT or an anti police JURY (SNARESBROOK CC). (Smiley culture. If they had cuffed and restrained him they would have had a complaint for unnecessary force as he was compliant, they trusted him and now they are in the shit. They were fucked either way if a complaint was made. And for an action he took.
I get spit on, punched, kicked, sworn at (no longer an offence), abused.
Random attacks on police went up 52% (or so (in one city) the other figures are the same though)) last year. That is people coming up to police, unprovoked, and attacking them.
My paper work involves doing what someone in CPS should be doing.
My statement, an MG5, mg4 and 7 have all the info necessary and needed for a file, give or take. But i must do hours more paper work to collate that into an easy to digest format for CPS. Effectively i am also doing their job. In court they just read and add some spin. (I know they are over worked and i would not do their job (i am in a way lol) but i at £30000 a year i can be doing more productive things.
SORRY SORRY. I could go on but i AM stopping.
I am so sorry about the grammar, punctuation and spelling. My new mac is like the SMT.
It thinks it knows it all, keeps correcting me, forces me to do it correctly and makes me look like an illiterate tit.
It took out commas, changed words. I think my mac is of the rank Chief Super.
Superbly written post Boss.
What he said, Agree! Top 25?
Thanks. NSIRA.
+1 on the above.
Nice one IG. I hope Nightjack can seek recourse now for the illegal actions of the scumbag reporter. His editor gave him a written warning. Oooohhhh he must have been shaking in his boots with that one eh! He didn’t think to report him to the Police though. Typical, never let the truth spoil a good story.
Does this now mean that the High Court will have to apologise after acting on information illegally obtained? The damage is done.
I hope PC Manning can manage to fit in to the whistle blowing bracket.
Now I’m hoping nightjacks (fed funded?) Brie will be demonstrating in the civil court loss I earnings for the remainder of his service plus loss of pension benefits etc etc and be demanding Murdoch pays out for the lot.
Plus sky sports for life!
Brie. It’s like a brief but tastier, smellier and more French.
The fed-funded Brie can be found in their superb restaurant facility, The Atrium.
http://www.federationhouse.co.uk/food.html
Well, if Jude Law and Baron ‘working class hero’ Prescott can obtain nice little payouts from NOTW for their phones being hacked (£130,000 and £40,000 respectively), then surely he’s got a case.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16629036
The unmasking of Nightjack by the Times was a nasty, spiteful and unnecessary act, an action I still find incomprehensible by a supposed ‘quality’ newspaper that relies on anonymity for its stories and is all too quick to hide sources behind journalistic privilege. They also celebrate the bravery of contributors within oppressive regimes such as Syria and Iran and the fact that they can blog anonymously – and use their material.
The two faced bastards.
A well written story about this is in the New Statesman today so if you care to follow the link I need not name the journalist concerned or identify the recidivist nature of his MO.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/01/computer-hacking-times-case
In court proceedings by the Times seeking to ‘Out’ Nightjack a number of witness statements were lodged in court by this bright young journalist stating that the officer’s identity had been established by ‘brilliant deduction and detective work’, painstakingly pieced together using nothing more than clues from within the blog itself.
Now we find that he did nothing of the sort but instead went off hacking into email accounts. So let’s serve him lunch….
A starter of S1 Computer Misuse Act 1990 (S2 if he alters any of the data)
For mains a comfit of Common Law pervert the course of justice
and to finish perhaps a cheeky a S4 Perjury Act 1911.
To name but three allegations I could level at this individual.
It states that when the Editor found out the truth some time later the journalist was given a telling off. So that’s all right then.
Annoyed as I was and still am at the Times silencing one of the best bloggers on the internet this points to other and seemingly widespread criminal activity undertaken by the 4th Estate – computer hacking.
I’ll bet a few editors and journos are now hoping that this story goes away without too much fanfare.
Hope they sleep uneasy in their beds.
My apologies if the linknow takes you to a pay-wall
Try
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3966045.stm
and
http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2012/01/computer-hacking-at-times.html
Come on Nightjacker,
Make a complaint for perjury and computer hacking against that snide journalist who outed you. Then at the same time sue News International.
What is now happening to NI has been a long time coming. As Hosea wrote: for they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk: the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.
Patrick Foster is now working for the Grauniad, they deserve each other.
Does this mean that all that have had a bitch and a moan on this site face the prospect of being stuck on then?
Slightly worrying. All getting the sack for spreading disaffection – when most are just telling the truth, and wanting something done about it!
I’m off to work at McDonald’s.
And top twenty btw!
Do McDonalds staff get subsidised food…?
If so, they’re job has more in common with MP’s than mine.
Opps, sorry – should read ‘their job’ for the grammer nazis out there.
I think you will find it is “grammar nazis” with the two As in grammar.
Don’t meddle with the spelling Stasi!
Pah…. Standards.
Colin were you ever an engineer?
I was a cadet once, if that counts…?
I was referring to an engineer as in Hamlet.
I’m reliably informed they get subsidised McDonalds products. Calling it food however…..
Two lads from my shift are ex-McDonalds. Not sure how many stars they had on their badges though.
The Metropolitan Police has won its appeal against a High Court ruling over “kettling” tactics used during the G20 demonstrations in 2009.
SHOCK.
Again, the only winners are the lawyers.
KERRCHIIIIING !
I’m obliged.
Just seen this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16629055
A minor victory for common sense, well I never.
As usual, piss-poor and leftie reporting by some miserable un-named hack at the beeb.
Whoever wrote it clearly doesn’t agree with the Appeal Court’s verdict so resorts to screeching anti police rhetoric in the opening paragraphs;
“it was a shame the appeal judges could not see that the police were out of control”
“unjustified force”,
a call from human rights lawyers for an “immediate change to police attitudes and tactics”.
“Police used the kettling tactic – where demonstrators are corralled inside police cordons and prevented from leaving – against the protesters in Bishopsgate, even though they had been peaceful”
Anyone reading this would be justified in concluding that the police were at fault here and that the verdict had gone against them.
The ‘related stories link’, just to ram home the point that all police are thoroughly evil etc helpfully point to three further cop-bashing stories.
I pay my licence fee for this drivel?
Grrrr
On response team numbers:
I spoke once with a member of a police authority who, when I raised exactly this concern – far too many cops in silos, not nearly enough on the streets 24/7 – told me that what the public actually wanted is safer neighbourhood teams. This is borne out by many opinion polls, he told me.
Utter drivel.
The public have no idea what a safer neighbourhood team does or the difference between them and response teams as a general rule. Safe neighbourhood teams sound very nice though; much better than response teams which conjures up the image of fire brigade policing, sitting around a nick waiting for a call, to those who know no better. Maybe we should stop calling them ‘response teams’ and instead call them ‘patrol’ or even (traditionally) just ‘reliefs.’
We should be asking the public what they want without putting any artistically licensed labels on it.
The public, in my opinion, want a strong visible police presence on their streets 24/7, and a rapid, effective response to their emergencies.
It isn’t any more complicated than that, and that is 100% exactly what the reliefs do.
The public would much rather have this than have a nice police officer drink tea with them during a scheduled appointment somewhere between the hours of 0900-1600 Monday to Friday, 3-7 days after something happened.
The public want far bigger 24/7 uniform teams.
They are confused by inaccurate titles and mislead by politicians.
The public, in my opinion, want a strong visible police presence on their streets 24/7, and a rapid, effective response to their emergencies.
It isn’t any more complicated than that, and that is 100% exactly what the reliefs do.
Totally.
How about we call ourselves Street Saviours..
I don’t think it matters who that see… Response, SNT, or even a Special… it’s the uniform that they see. What they don’t understand is why it takes so long to get to them or having done so why it’s seemingly impossible to capture the perpetrators of crime (let alone charge and stick them in a court).
Depends what you are talking about by ‘silos’. Are you debating whether we need these ‘silos’ at all, or that there are too many cops in them?
I presume by silos, you mean any officer that is not on uniformed response teams?
Maybe the word ‘silo’ can be redefined as ‘someone in an office with a remit.’
We don’t need a robbery squad, a drugs squad, a burglary squad, a wanted offenders unit, and a tasking team; one crime squad will do.
We don’t need community engagement teams, safer schools, safer neighbourhoods, diversity or outreach teams – one community policing team will do.
We don’t need 50-strong intelligence units or their repeated demands for more pony intel reports to justify their cushy existence.
TSG, ARV, dogs and even traffic – no problem with 24/7 units with specialist skills.
Specialist Crime – well, as long as it is specialist crime, not one of a hundred squads who spend more time arguing about whose remit a job is within than actually investigating.
Here is a simple question … if you aren’t needed at 0300 on a Sunday morning, why have we got you at 1100 on a weekday?
There should be a strong requirement for management to justify any deployment that detracts from 24/7 availability.
We have become, wrongly, a 9-5 organisation. (Sir Ronnie Flanagan said that, before any rubber heel type thinks I’m being naughty)
Try telling Fahy that.
He is under the delusory impression that the Public want the Police to be free of paperwork/ back office functions and therefore seeks to employ more civilians…
Yes they do Mr. Fahy, but ultimately what they want is more Coppers on the streets and therefore they dont want further employment of civilians, they want more intakes of Police Officers.
Civilians working in the Police do help (some of them), if they keep their beaks out and become proficient in their respective roles rather than make things harder for the Officers
We don’t need 50-strong intelligence units or their repeated demands for more pony intel reports to justify their cushy existence.
OMFG – you ARE Ruralshire
Bloody Right – we don’t need intelligence – the MOPS ring us up and tell us where the crimes have occurred!
After all the primary purpose of an Efficient Police Force is to report crime!
Err……
Of course we need intelligence – we just don’t need more people in the intelligence office than on the street.
Despite two tea breaks, an hour for lunch, an hour in the gym and an early bunk, they still feel it necessary to regularly ping round emails and policies requiring more specious intel reports just in case someone important notices their lack of workload.
What we need is police officers on the street, patrolling, preventing, gathering intel and responding to emergencies.
We need them to submit intel reports whenever such a report is valid and of benefit.
We need enough people – and no more – in intel offices to cope with that workload, whilst enjoying no more downtime than their relief colleagues.
Before computers there was a collator and an assistant.
If an intel office isn’t getting enough intel reports, rather than memoing the troops, why not downsize it and chuck some of them out on the street? More intel from more boots on the ground.
And I am not picking on intel offices – we have far too many people in silos and not nearly enough in big hats.
My lot have demanded that after we submit a stop-search form, we then submit an intel log detailing that we have done a stop-search on the person named on the stop-search form. Apparently, without it, we are missing out on buckets of intel.
My farce is similar – have gone from a DC and clerk in the division to a squad of about 10, DS and DCs who send out the odd email about a nonce or similar, and remind us who our targets are – we then have to populate the intel system each shift with meaningless b******s such as ‘no sightings of Joe T@@t during tod’ – utterly pointless but if we don’t we get told off for not enough intel submissions on targets… The non-actionable crack, we get.. the good stuff goes to specialist units who need to justify their existence.
Sorry for sounding bitter,have justhad family dog put to sleep.
Sorry for your loss, I’ve been there.
You were put down pj….?
What (s)he said.
Reminds me of a few years ago in a Metro borough when the town centre team refused to deal with a shoplifter detained because they were tasked to interact with new students.
YCMIU
copperface – I am deep in my Response silo and I LOVE it.
It’s my other guilty secret.
Done that, been there and I loved it too.
Then sort of fell into other things, which are more specialist but no less front line, no less dangerous, no less important and no less hard work, but doesn’t have the crap that goes with response work nowadays,and is much less ‘visible’ and no, it does not normally involve a desk. I would agree that response needs to be restored to what it used to be when we had a rugby team on parade, as opposed to todays reduced skeleton crew, but we need to recognise that not all non 24/7 officers are out there taking the piss and that specialist skills are vital in the fast changing world..
2We should be asking the public what they want without putting any artistically licensed labels on it.2
True. Perhaps the question should be
“Do you want police that work Mon – Sat with no night shift and take a very long time to get to emergency calls because they are on foot or bike?” or Do you want a police force on patrol 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and which has enough vehicles and officers to respond promptly to emergencies?”
Im gonna go against the grain a bit here and say that cops / CSO’s on bikes are a good thing.
There’s been a far few times shouting them to a job has saved us loads of time since the council built handy rat runs that crims on foot / bikes can get down but a panda can’t.
Strangely, there seems to be a direct correlation between Neighbourhood cops / CSO’s with good reps and those who get out and about on bikes..
I still don’t understand the rules of the card games they play in the bait room though
The public also want to be able to phone the local non-emergency line regarding some stolen property they have found in a park, and speak to someone who a) understands that they are phoning about some stolen property and so doesn’t actually end the call for no reason at all, then b) when phoned back actually has a clue what the location, street names etc of the stolen property are.
And I don’t think they have even privatised it all in Edinburgh either, but we seem to have found a clueless phone answerer.
I hate to think what will happen to Lincolnshire and other places that are privatising everything.
Scenario – any squad you can name brings a prisoner in to custody, that prisoner then has to either go to hospital or be a constant watch. Said squad does not end up doing the constant watch or hospital purely because they are in said squad. Where does the responsibility then lie? Response Team. Then throw in the inevitable crime scenes etc and we are down to the bones more often than not!
Morale is low and we are treated like shit by everyone else.
We still manage to bring very good arrests through the door and do we get any thanks? No.
During the retail riots it was hilarious seeing all these office dwellers out and about in uniform – most of them looked like rabbits caught in headlights and didnt appear to have a clue about how to deal with the things response officers do every day!
I could evidence the time a DC sent me a snotty email asking why I had not included in my statement as a significant statement the fact that the suspect had made several denials en route to custody. I put them straight with the definition of a significant statement, and asked if the suspect during I/V had suddenly decided to come clean, would the interviewing officer be expected to say, “No, you’re denying this remember, and I have the proof right here which you signed in front of my very eyes!”
But I won’t in case I get stuck on for undermining the public’s confidence in the people investigating their burgled houses.
This is the beginning of the end!! We can all see it so why cant the fed?
Because they’re like any other union. Fed reps and full time employees have never had it so good, and upsetting the apple-cart is not high on their agenda. They make the odd noise, with little action.
Keep up the good work – both on and off duty.
British police officers need to get tough;
> with local management
> with local authorities
> with central government
If the Federation does not adopt a militant strategy then law & order across the whole country will go past the point of no return………arseholes like Daniel Chrapkowski will begin to rule the roost in towns nationwide. Sooner or later, the public will decide not to take any more and there will be utter anarchy.
Solutions;
> EUCHR to be ignored Human Rights Act repealed – Common Law rules apply
> Cameron sacks Ken Clarke – and announces a prison building programme
> Judges and magistrates will be instructed to apply sentencing guidelines to the letter
> Legislation introduces ’3 strikes’ rule – 3 convictions on indictment = minimum of 12yrs in pokey
> Pokey becomes nasty and unpleasant
> Home Secretary declares that the ACPO will be abolished
> Home Secretary instructs CCs to ensure that 75% of manpower is deployed operationally – uniform or CID doesn’t matter
> Coppers to be paid properly, including a rather tasty allowance for working shifts, and proper compensation for working overtime and on rest days
> Coppers given tasers and fire-arms
> Offence of ‘obstructing an officer’ to include swearing at and abusing officers in the execution of their duties
> PC agenda rolled back everywhere, including all reference to the ridiculous bits in the MacPherson Report
I’ve just got a boner reading that!!!!
I’ve got a priapism reading that!!
Hmmm might have to read it over and over again.
Matron!?!?
I’m throwing out my Viagra. From now on just going to print out JW’s post, stick it on Mrs Ooooh!Matron’s back and go riding all night long. Yeeeehaaaaa!!!!!
Absolutely SPOT ON.
If all of that was implemented I might even be tempted back from retirement.
Just one point though……….
“Coppers to be paid properly, including a rather tasty allowance for working shifts, and proper compensation for working overtime and on rest days”
I would take it one step further than that. I would significantly REDUCE the salary of any “Officer” volunteering for or demanding an “office job”, as well as a heathy shift allowance for the boys and girls on the street.
OBVIOUSLY the exceptions being those in these posts after injury or from necessity through serious illness.
It used to boil my piss when certain perfectly healthy individuals who shall remain nameless, shiny arses in offices with the same service as me got the same basic pay as me.
P*sses me off when I see fit, agile twenty-somethings sat at desks or in the control room. I know of officers go straight to a desk as soon as they’re out of their probation. There are a couple of skivers that are in the control room, ordering seasoned bobbies off refs to shite jobs, whilst they read a magazine and eat their dinners.
A desk job is something I’d consider when I can hardly walk and just about to retire.
Why join the Police if thats all you want to do?
Utopia, right there.
You know Utopia means ”nowhere”?
If you’re Greek, which I’m not…
I wa almost there after the second sentence.
If Carlsberg did crime commissioners……
I see your point, in some towns, where there are identifiable trouble makers, who are not being dealt with by the legal system, the community will sort it, just like the wild west. That’s not anarchy, though, its vigilantism, and will be messy and unfair, in a country where the proles can’t differentiate between paedophiles and paediatricians.
We need justice delivered economically, and effectively! Failing that, human rights will be history!
Its about time we had a spin doctor like Max Clifford( not wanting to praise him) but he says it as it is and certainly hasn’t got a problem ruffling feathers..maybe we could do with the Federation offering Bob Crowe a job lol..
Sell Federation House in Surrey (c/w Langley’s Bar, Atrium a la carte restaurant and swimming pool) and use the proceeds to retain the services of Max Clifford and Bob Crow…
I’d start paying Fed subs again if this happened.
I guess articles like this dont help our cause tho..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16616790
“There are clearly evidential and operational reasons for officers and staff requiring the exact time and contact details.”
Exactly right.
I wonder how much pointless FOI requests costs the Met?
I guess that’ll be the shift Sgt on parade with the speaking clock on loud speaker….
No point arguing, just buy the donuts.
A, to me, surprisingly sensible piece in the Guardian about this at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jan/19/police-speaking-clock-35000
Jim
I was surprised at that one too…. But pleased someone if only a techie nerd over there is capable of writing a sensible and balanced piece on the police.
shame they don’t know that we buy our own tea….
Next you’ll be telling us that the poor taxpayer has the to foot the bill for charging your private mobile phones just so you can have cosy chats with colleagues about catching wrong uns. The sooner you police have the decency to stop drawing wages the better. Honestly, next you’ll be asking the taxpayer to pay for police stations and cars.
The same force that wont let officers charge their Iphones (other mobile devices ave av available) at work makes their officers charge their radios at home.
Spend an awful lot more responding to fucking ridiculous FOI requests.
You can check the time on atomic clocks for free on several websites. There you go, Ive saved the met 35 grand.
Officers have to get down on bended knee AND have a note signed by their mum and the Pope to get internet access on their work accounts. Not everyone has a smartphone, and not everyone who does thinks that the Job should get the benefit of something they refuse to provide themselves.
BoB,
However you haven’t read and understood the article.
“represents each officer in the force using the service just once or twice each year.”
“Given the wages of a typical police officer (national average £38,918 for sergeant or below), if such a phonecall saves even a minute of an officer’s time, it’s an overall cost saving to the public.”
If it takes two minutes per officer per year to ensure that they have access to one of those websites then your ‘solution’ will cost more.
Given that they will only access such a website infrequently then they would probably spend 10 minutes looking for the URL.
This is the point of the article. It is a tiny cost multiplied by a large number of people that is why it ends up being a moderate amount of money.
If it was a £35,000 pa cost in one place it would be worse spending £10,000 pa to remove it but it isn’t.
Also your ‘solution’ would not be very useful for officers who were not in their office, I don’t know being out of the nick about to start a raid and wanting to make sure that everyone went in at the same time..
Jim
Penultimate para s/b
If it was a £35,000 pa cost in one place it would be worth spending £10,000 pa to remove it but it isn’t.
Jim
Don’t the PACE interview machinescalibrate themselves against the speaking clock?
Better idea to save money in the police force/service
If your job takes place between 7am-7pm Monday – Saturday 10% pay Cut.
If your job evolves shift work 10% pay rise
You’ve said it all in this post IG. It’s a bloody shame, but I fear your wise and true words will have no effect on those responsible for the current state of the police service. They are on the footplate driving a run-away train comprised of their own vested interests. They act cynically and for their own ends, they have little regard for the public who they mislead each day or the officers who they leave to clear up after them. All you and those who care can do is keep disclosing the truth in the hope that finally sense will prevail.
SP
Instead of disciplining the Officer for his posts on Twitter, The more senior officers should be held to account for…
Only allowing 3 officers to be on duty at the time, and……..still maintaining (lying) to the Public that …….”Frontline services will not be affected’
Also the judge that let these thugs off must be regretting it now that it is plastered all over the front of the national Press. They took you for a fool M’lud!
This country is slowly descending into the sewer and it is now far too late to save it!
I rarely agree with you, but the last paragraph is spot on. Public servants SHOULD be allowed to speak out in public without fear of losing their jobs. For your sake, and ours we want an effective police force.
LOL. You are not a police officer.
Disciplined for telling the truth?? an absolutely disgusting state of affairs.
What will the police federation do about it?? probably nowt.
Would that chakribati woman from liberty be interested? maybe? someone should give her a ring
It is a Federation rep telling the truth. It is the Federation doing something about it.
Oh, and it’s about time Rennie and Mckeever started to give us value for money. I.E. updates about our Pension (like the FBU are giving their members).
It’s nice to see rumblings from the met Fed branch etc. about the total LACK of action from the fed.
Where is £2 million quid a month going to?
Lots of my colleagues are gleeful that they managed to scrape an increment rise, this month and last month…..It will be useless to tem when they are all on 5 year contracts!
“Where is the £2 million quid a month going to?”
http://www.federationhouse.co.uk/
Ive sent three emails off to the Fed and ive received no responses. Two were only two days ago, but the one prior to that was around 1 month ago. No response. Contact counts??
WTF is a “grazing” menu?
Do coppers actually stay there and pay that price??? I’d want some sort of subsidised rate seeing as I’m part of the club and already pay over £200 a year towards this place.
OMFG have i been asleep, where the F%*ck did this come from?
I’m going to be sick, honestly I feel F%&cking sick, what the hell is it for?????
I found out the Feds top plan for dealing with this whole shit storm today. It’s fiendish……………do nothing. Yeah big surprise i know.
It’s a devilish plan and very simple. After Windsor (whirlwind) part 2 (WW2) anyone who can bail on the job and keep a pension will do so causing HUGE problems for the Olympic period. Shortly after the Olympics the coalition government (i refuse to use Con-dem) will collapse and as much as it grinds everyone we get Labour back. Spending cuts put on hold, massive borrowing and status quo is maintained. They hope.
In the meantime they (and the government no doubt) are crossing fingers that anyone with less than 25 years sticks with the job for life mantra.
Ian Rennie; Nice enough guy but he’s not been anywhere near the sharp end for years and years. (about 20 by my reckoning) He had a locker which had his uniform in and in the days when there were new recruits we had to put notices on the lockers that obviously had’nt been touched in ages to accommodate the kit for the rookies. Then if there were no replies to the notices, the lockers were forced open and the contents removed and sent to Stores. Cue a rare visit to the central Northern Metrocity nick and he went off on one complaining that someone had had the temerity to empty HIS locker. Nice work when you can get it.
The day they come for you is the day I’ll seriously consider committing a criminal act…
Me too, there’s a first time for everything. I’ll probably get probation…
LOL. How to use the system, eh?
eventually Gadget, your identity will be discovered.
possibly by spooks diligently tracing IP addresses or whatnot
but more likely, one day in the nick, or in a police car, someone who reads your blog will hear you say something, or voice an opinion, or use a phrase that he recognises, and a light bulb will go off, and two and two will be put together…
I wish yo luck when that happens and hope you are prepared.
“someone who reads your blog will hear you say something, or voice an opinion, or use a phrase that he recognises, and a light bulb will go off, and two and two will be put together…”
….a give a smile, say nothing, and maybe buy them a pint sometime.
You may well be right, but are there any SMT or Politicians who would have the balls to stand up to the back lash from the troops. Or for that matter, answer in open forum (court) the facts that will then be disclosed regarding their mismanagement. If IG is identified, he will probably be offered a retirement package with a non disclosure clause.
SP.
Not a chance mate, you think they’d risk freeing him to stand as an elected Comish?
SOLD to the man in the big hat!
No worries SP as the Guv has had plenty of practice at keeping his poker face. Thinking back to when his first book came out and I’m sure a copy was brought into his nick and discussed in front of him at length! Hey Guv have you heard this bit….man it sounds like you!
Hah!
botogol
Are you part of an SMT?
I would be interested to see how anyone could evidentially connect an opinion or phrase oft expressed no doubt by a lot of officers with the running of a website.
If you want the truth about modern day policing come to this site.
This site is read in many circles and has more creditability than some of the tripe spun by all the head sheds of all of the forces in the UK.
You think any rank and file would expose gadget? Not likely unless their a throbber that wants into the DPS. Still I’m in the Met and I’m pretty sure one of the governor’s is gadget. I’m sure most police officers know someone like that who if they were told that’s gadget, they wouldn’t be in the least bit surprised.
Thats what’s reassuring, I feel like I know a gadget in my nick too……
Gadget’s not Met, VSC, he’s one of our Governors in Sussex (or, “No, I’m Spartacus…”)
I wouldn’t worry too much, Botogol.
PC Copperfield gave a series of live interviews, some half an hour long or more, on national radio (eg Five Live, TalkSport) and did stuff on the telly, all IN HIS OWN VOICE, without anyone twigging for 18 months who he was.
I remember walking out of a Victoria Derbyshire interview with him and his phone went; it was one of his colleagues saying, ‘It’s you!’
The colleague then kept this quiet for about a year, till Copperfield unmasked himself on Panorama.
Added to which, I’m not sure anyone senior wants Gadget to be from their force.
And I suspect the ‘spooks’ are rather busier with Al Qaeda than Gadget.
Who is Al? A friend of Betty?
http://tinyurl.com/68l26cz
Yet again Gadget hits the right spot however nothing alters. When I was a PC on the Divisional Crime Squad in the Mid 80′s myself and my partner a WPC sorry lady PC were informed to stop picking on a young toe rag becasue we had stopped him something like 10 times in a month and it was not fair. Nobody mentioned we had arrested him at least 4 times as a result of them stops for going equipped, off weap etc… and that he was a violent thug.
The end result about 2 months later he glassed a trainee lawyer in a pub question who was right us or the SMT answer ask the lawyer and see what she thinks.
did she defend him later in court?
thought not.
As someone who feels utter desolation at what is happening to my job, force, policing, criminal justice system etc on the whole I cannot thank you enough boss for posting such a well written, accurate, truthful and damning article.
I gave up posting a while back as I felt so fed up with it all, and pretended I didnt care…but I do.
I care about the job, doing a good job, and that we get treated fairly and justly and that the criminal underclass get treated in a tough and robust manner by our criminal justice system eg) prisons are full- build more prisons!
Sadly this isnt the case and I feel like fighting this sh*t as our useless, spinless, heads in the trough, self serving, greedy, useless politicians and judiciary do nothing.
We will eventually be heard but I hope its not in response to some awful major incident that makes them realise we need to be supported and they need us on their side. ‘Vive la revolution’
good comment, thanks for coming back!
Gadget – I first came on this blog to talk about what I saw as mistreatment of photographers by the police. Since then I’ve joked with the coppers who post here, read stories from the front line that have driven me to wall-punching rage, tears and laughter. I’ve gained a new-found respect for, if not the police as an institution, at least the majority of frontline police officers who are out there every day and night keeping me and mine safe.
Keep yourself safe from the back office shiny-arses, and here’s to another 8
* 8 million hits. Damn fat fingers and smartphone…
When are SMT going to realise that the public don’t give two hoots what names are given to various units all they want are the calls answered quickly and dealt with efficently and correctly by a response team officer and then passed on if necessary to the correct dept. In addition there wants officers to arrest toerags committing offences both major and minor and then dealt with by the courts so that they don’t do it again.
It is in fact not a lot to ask of the Police the problem is the officers on the street are not allowed to do it and do not have the resources in both equipment and personnel to carryout robust policing and targetting toerags quickly and effectively without having graphs and charts but just by reading the Collators files sorry intelligence unit files.
Policing could and would be fairly simple if the people in charge were of the same mindset as Gadget and let officers get on with it.
Keep safe boys and girls and don’t let the B _ _ _ _ _ ds get you down.
Do the communities who pay the taxes which provide the public services have the right to know that there are only three police officers for the whole of North Devon? Damm right they do.
How can the senior officers of D&C look at themselves in the mirror when there are three officers and the communities of North Devon essentially abandoned to fate?
As for the member of the D&C Police Authority moaning that officers shouldn’t disclose details to the public and tip off criminals, FFS at some time though I hate to say it we have to give the crims some credit, don’t you think the crims won’t have notice there were no police about.
Dorset?
Don’t go believing there’s any more coppers than that on duty in North Devon…
I made a comment on the previous thread, unfortunately I think after this thread was posted so I’ll repeat it.
Surely there is no difference between a pc disclosing that there are only 3 on duty and the bosses going on national tv and bragging that there are 16,000 on the streets of London.
Just saying
FOI request from a MOP asking how many officers covered each area command and a breakdown per sector for the Xmas period would probably be enlightening..
We had 3 PC’s and a SGT for around 50,000 MOP’s on Boxing day. My first job was a (real) ‘male with knife’ call and the taser car was tied up with an armed robbery.
But… SSSHHHHH
There’s an easy answer to that one: Taser for all officers.
I like many others on here, have had a shift where i was the only one on duty.
To be fair though we started with two, and after midnight became me, covering about 40-50k local residents, on the eve of christmas eve.
As per usual the locals slept soundly not knowing the disgraceful lack of police covergae they were getting, which wasnt a bad thing they knew the truth.
I managed and coped as I had to, but felt isolated, and at risk!
This must be why my strategic alliance buddy, that my farce have politely allied with yours.
Been thinking of a name, we take the W from Warks, and est Mercia from your name to come up with our new force name, West Mercia. Its a winner!
The way I see it with all the changes that need to be done, the public need the following… If there is an incident involving child abuse, neglect etc regardless off how it’s graded a child abuse officer gets deployed, if there is a neighbour dispute regardless of grading a neighbourhood officer gets deployed… Same with burglaries, Dv assaults, major crimes… Essentially everyone is a response cop but those with specialities go first if that comes up… No more mon-fri 8-2, with weekends off…. It would be more efficient as the right person would be there first and no more 9 o clock jury as it would be being dealt with by the correct officers from the start.
Oh how we laughed when I did just that to the DV unit.
If response can’t possibly investigate these matters, cut out the middleman and send the specialist unit from the off. Still got powers of arrest after all.
I agree, I always get the glare of death when i dare mention that CID officers have a power of arrest when they want me to arrest their workload offenders for them!!
They did that where I used to work. Sent DV officers out in a marked car with some sort of social worker and they were the ‘dedicated’ unit for all DV calls. However, they would attend the first and go to town on it. Taking statements, photographs and such. However, when the next one came out they were unable to attend as they were still tucked up with the first job. So of course the response team got sent and did the necessary before moving on to the next and the next while the ‘dedicated’ unit was still at their first.
Same with burglaries and robberies. Send a ‘dedicated’ unit and they will do the job properly but they will only do one job per shift. That’s why response get battered at 9 am on Mondays. They do all the jobs as best they can. They can’t fob off control with excuses about being tucked up taking a statement. Do one job properly, it takes all day. Something involving an arrest, exhibits, notes, reports, photographs, other agencies. Easy 8 hours. That luxury is not afforded to response teams.
When I started we paraded 20 odd at three sites with at least 2 skippers out and about. There was another in the CAD room with a PC and an excellent civilian who knew what they were doing. Constant watches were a rarity. Now it’s 12 if you’re lucky at one shed. A skipper outside of the nick is unheard of. The CAD is miles away and staffed by people who don’t want to be there. Constant watch and hospital guards regularly strip 2 or 3 from a shift and the calls just keep on coming.
Drop in a stabbing/shooting and that’s it. All over. But no, they keep going, people are called out from refs/notes/trap 1 and sent to the jobs.
Hence I got the hell off of team.
15 years service on team! I left for exactly the same reasons in your post.
Sadly I can’t keep my face out of the slags faces and my hands out of their pockets…….so I went to a ‘Gucci’ squad. Yep I earn very good OT and have a cracking shift pattern, but me and my ‘Gucci’ colleagues are out there every day spinning toe rags and ferals, bringing ‘em in. We deal with what we produce so no boroughs resources are used.
Sadly this over performing unit is being strangled by w•nk SMT without a clue…….work rate will drop and what was a cracking team of thief takers will be all over Metrocity after scrabbling for the exit doors.
Response team was GREAT in the Met until the introduction of borough policing. Why on earth with any service over 3 years would you possibly want to do it in the Met?? Proactivity is dead……left to a handful of keen squads etc.
Give US and THE PUBLIC what we all want. Big teams that can cope (like we once had), the right kit, proactivity, decent pay and conditions and no twat politicians meddling in our trade who have no inkling of what coppering is all about.
Sorry if it’s a disjointed rant……..I’ve almost had enough of what my job has become.
5yrs 9mths to go!!
“people are called out from refs/notes/trap 1″
If they call me out from Trap 1 I answer them, and often flush too just to rub it in.
It’s a skill trying to get that ‘ker-plooop’ sound to register on the airwaves set.
I take my hat off to your sir!
At my station we have a chap who is famous for doing things like this- transmitting long-winded messages whilst familiar noises are being made in the background.
Some of the better ones:
Toilet flushing
Urinal splash (I hope he keeps his hands seperate for the different tasks)
Kettle boiling/clicking
Car alarm going off (deliberately I reckon)
FM Radio playing in the background (I think ‘Aga doo’ was probably the most memorable)
He once lent on the steering wheel mid-transmission, the horn bibbed and he said “oh bollocks” over the air.
When I worked in the private sector, if anyone tried to radio me when I was in trap 1 I acknowledged as “code brown”.
Ah, but if you flush then they know you’ve finished….
Unless it’s a double flusher of course.
Precede with “Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggghhhh ahhhhhhhhh………….*spla-dooomp*……..flush”
What boils my p”ss is when these DV types shout up for an officer to come and take a statement. It took a Sergeant with balls one day to reply:” Doesn’t that officer have a pen?” The DV bobby then had the cheek to reply: “We don’t take statements”. The Sergeant replied: “You’re a Police Officer- crack on”. Strange silence after that!
I do hear Gadget that American Police are well on in the development of a hand held infra-red “gadget” that can detect concealed weapons prior to search. Hope it comes off to keep you all safe. Having once carried out consultancy on Police Forces I am well aware that you have even more difficulties than existed 20 or so years ago. I was committed to helping sort Police Problems but things seem to have gone somewhat backwards – mainky because of nonsense laws and ideas (some no doubt recommended by “consultants”). Keep telling it how it is. I pass on the link to this site to all.
They were bleating away on the news today about overcrowding in prisons. The reason for this, we are told, is because we are locking up too many people and not rehabilitating them!
Apparently the solutions are as follows;
- Build more prisons (due to the cuts this would be too expensive, in fact some prisons are being closed).
- Impose shorter sentences and let more offenders out early (not popular with the law abiding public and victims).
- Additional resources for rehabilitating offenders (the cuts again).
Consider this; we are currently letting more and more offenders out of prison earlier and earlier, ever more career criminals are receiving non-custodial sentences and life in prison, we are told, is very cushy. But still the prison population increases!
This proves that going easy on offenders is not the answer to the problem but the cause of the problem. It’s not that we send too many people to prison; it’s that we don’t send enough people soon enough or for long enough!
The possibility of getting a custodial sentence is now so remote that criminals are encouraged to offend. They commit crime safe in knowledge that, if they get caught, they will only receive a slap on the wrist. And in the unlikely event that, having pushed their luck too far, they do get a custodial sentence if will be measured in days or weeks and they will be let out having served less than half of it.
The Government is responsible for turning prison into an inconvenience rather than a punishment. Repeat burglars are being given suspended and community sentences or being sent down for just a few weeks.
Check out the sentences for burglary in the 1960s when the prisons weren’t full!
All the while choosing to ignore the fact that it is the Police who are putting them in Prison (therefore contrary to media belief doing their jobs!)
It’s not the Police’s job to put an offender in prison. The job of the police is to investigate an alleged offence and to gather the evidence. Once they’ve done that they have done their job.
Now you are being pedantic – how else do they end up in prison if not for the Police?
There are other agencies that investigate offences that can result in prison sentences…DWP, HMRC and HSE to name a few
Yes, I’m a pedant and I’m proud to be one :p
Some of us don’t stop working when they are in prison – as they don’t. That however is a back office function that draws staff away from the front line.
Then why do I spend months doing file upgrades…..?
I’ve said this before, but the American system is the ONE if you ask me:
- first offence, short sentence or suspened and another chance
- second offence, longer sentence, and another chance
- third offence, there is obviously no way to save you, sooooooo we throw away the key.
They have a diminishing crime curve. If you ask me, the secret lies in locking the REPEAT offenders away. For a long time……
Another thing I think would be really helpful would be to force anyone from the EU to serve their sentence in their home country, at their expense.
Lithuanian – Romanian – Greek prison cell, anyone? Thought not…..
Would be interesting to work out what the exact number of EU and Non EU prisoners in UK Prisons is as a percentage.
I do agree that especially in the case of EU prisoners that they should serve the sentence in their country of origin.
Might be difficult to get the other countries to agree.
I mean the
EU citizen who commits a crime in the UK to
UK citizen who commits a crime in the EU
must not be very much in the EU favour, erm erm…..
Me thinks they might not want all their criminals back.
Simon Mann would have loved a Romanian prison
http://www.tagzania.com/pt/zimbabwe-prisons/
Making prison more like HMP Slade rather than Butlins would have to be a good place to start.
Can’t charge mobiles in nicks, but can pay for tv’s and the like in prison?
Well said once again I.G.
This is why I still read IG, sometimes I actually think I am the one going insane when I work with just 7 regulars to cover 120,000 people-but I come here and I am reminded the insanity lies with SMT….
I may have stopped writing, but I hope to God IG continues
Yes, why did you stop writing? I really like your blog?
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMN!!
I commented twice on your blog before realising it was shut.
Arsebiscuits.
its still there, I just won’t be posting any more
Whats the score mate?
You binning specialling?
No, just sick of the people in the specials, most of them are a bunch of….. a few are sound but not many
Come to Londinium chap, you can be my operator anytime…… *dons Tom Cruise Top Gear Aviator Glasses*
Most of the specials who come out with us are cool. The police staff ones especially as they have a bit more of a clue.
There are one or two whop are clearly DPS plants and give you the Paddington Bear Hard Stare when you say somethong ‘off-message’ but we just ignore them.
I agree, London it up in Central Metrocity!
We’re all having a ball.
Where’s my ‘Thermos’
Love it.
Hmmm. Anthony Duncan was on patrol in Iraq with the Light Dragoons in September 2005 when he was shot in his left thigh.
He needed 11 operations to stabilise the break and suffered calcification of his thigh muscle, leaving him in constant pain.
He was left ‘crippled’ and reliant on crutches, it was reported.
The MoD initially awarded him £9,250 compensation but he appealed and a tribunal awarded him a lump sum of £46,000 and a weekly payment for life.
…
Mark Pugh, dog handler with SWP, attacked by a mob of football thugs in 2005, suffers PTSD. in 2010 SWP rules that, although he’s 100% disabled by the incident, he’s not entitled to a lump sum in compensation.
In 2008 it’s revealed that SWP spent £100k over six years in a surveillance operation to monitor PC Pugh’s disability.
…
Today
Jude Law, actor, has his phone hacked and stories about his private life appear in the News of the World.
The High Court today heard the paper had compensated him to the tune of £130,000.
It’s a funny old world.
Excellent post IG. Hope you’re not becoming too paranoid. Stay under the radar.
‘Chewie’ has it spot on in his post in my opinion. I’ve been banging on about for years now. Policing is a simple job but which has been made incredibly complicated by power mad morons. We should go back to large reliefs and massively increase the esteem and standing of uniformed officers within the organisation itself. Disband safer neighbourhoods and all the other specialist uniform units that have mushroomed over recent years. Just have large Reliefs; CID; a Crime Squad and traditional home beats. This is how it was when I started 23 yrs ago and it worked. No reason why we could not go back to it. With large reliefs there are plenty of walkers and resources to throw at local issues. The public haven’t got a clue when it comes to labels – ‘Safer Neighbourhoods’ and ‘Reliefs’ – they don’t care. All they want to see is uniforms out and about on foot, in cars and responding quickly to their emergencies.
The voice of reason, why is it the powers that be are blind and deaf ?
“Just have large Reliefs; CID; a Crime Squad and traditional home beats. This is how it was when I started 23 yrs ago and it worked.” It did indeed work. Why, oh why, did they have to change it?
Spot on!!! When was foot patrol stopped??? I remember well the almost halcyon days when police were patrolling 24/7 and the ordinary Joe Blog felt safe.How reassuring it was to know that if ever you needed help from police they would be there promptly. Sadly now, through no fault of the police themselves that feeling of safety and reassurance is no longer there and its a much sadder Britain for it. What the hell happened??
What happened?
Politicians and people in offices discovered that one cannot count the value of preventative work, presence on the streets, community reassurance, boots on the ground…
But one can count bits of paper, form squads, and write promotion portfolios about it.
The optimist in me wants to believe that the government wants to push us back that way, against the last 10 years worth of ACPO detectives, and they’re just going completely the wrong way about it.
Instead of getting rid of targets completely, Home Secretary, why not have a few useful ones – like 67% of a Force strength to be deployed as operational patrols in uniform, for example?
What happened?
Among other things – mobile phones were invented!!!
“Now, after six years, established national media coverage, (nearly) two books, 8.6 million hits….”
If, after all this, you have achieved nothing, then I am glad that I have now ceased my puny efforts and closed mine!
Yes, I am fairly exhausted to be honest!
Please don’t stop posting.
Absolutely spot on. Lions led by donkeys who have sold the service and the public down the river for their own personal gain. If you look at corruption / serous judgement issues over the last few years ACPO probably have a higher ratio of corruption than any other rank.
What the public want more of is thorough investigations of facebook comments they don’t agree with and drunken texts from the ex, to the exclusion of all else and lengthy jail terms for offenders of such.
I mean it’s not as if you can block people on facebook or change your phone number or anything….Oh wait.
Yes, because we all know that killers always text their victims first to warn them…..
“Have you thought about blocking him on Facebook madam?”
“Yer wha?”
I’ve been trying to argue this for years when I have to do Threats To Life risk assessments. (on average about 6 a day)
My arguement is that someone who sends texts/Myface messages is LESS likely to carry out the threat than the brooding silent type. Likewise someone with a proven history of threatening suicide without actually doing it should go down in the risk assessment.
It only makes sense if you realise that the policy isn’t about protecting life, it’s about protecting the force’s reputation if it goes t*ts up. Don’t want the Daily Heil having a headline ‘Police ignored killer’s warning’ whereas it’s easier to claim we had no prior knowledge.
“Have you thought about blocking him on Facebook madam?”
“Then I wouldn’t be able to see what they are saying about me”
Is that like locking your door to stop burglars coming in?
Don’t be so silly, that would mean one less friend on bookface and we all know how every important bookface is
“He suffered a badly fractured jaw and a bleed on the brain, and was forced to have a metal plate fitted into his face.”
Pshaw! According to the defence, that’s mere ‘tomfoolery: “For sign writer Lane, Paul Hodgkinson said: ‘He accepts he had been out drinking and engaging in tomfoolery – kicking around bins and that they were confronted.
‘He became embroiled in an argument with a member of the public which he shouldn’t have done but that mischief doesn’t cross the custody threshold.’ “
I suspect the Rubber Heeler Cyber Division are trying desperately to locate Gadget for upsetting the apple cart…and poor old PC Manning is just the start…..we can’t have anyone telling the truth now can we!!!
I was actually thinking they’re going for PC Manning in a way to test the waters in case they want to go after *someone else*
Neither are of interest , you are confusing the excellent cyber ops with the ever useful dps/Psu
A ‘target’ of 10% of stop searches resulting in an arrest seems to have appeared on my PDR. If knife crime is going up, which it seems to be, we should be encouraged to search more people, not less. These targets show that the powers that be are clearly uncomfortable with us using stop and search. I remember a superintendent some time last year telling us to only search people when we were sure they had something illegal on them….???? If I know they have something illegal on them, I don’t need to search them for it!!
I cannot recall EVER searching someone who is what I would call a normal law abiding citizen. Everyone I search is a criminal. No exceptions. By a criminal, I mean people with multiple previous convictions for serious offences. I think the public need to see some examples of when and why these powers are used on a daily basis.
Some examples of some recent searches on my team….
Two people kicked out of a pub, staff call to say they have been seen doing drugs in the toilets – positive, 2 arrests.
Man having a go at door staff, keeps saying he has a knife….he didn’t but would you take the chance?
Couple of lads loitering in an alley next to a locked up bike….we have had hundreds stolen in the last few weeks.
Are we harassing the public or doing our job well? It is not just about investigation and detection, prevention is a huge part of what we do. Yes, it is and should be about getting up the noses of criminals, within the bounds of the law. Someone needs to decide what they want.
There will be a direct link between messing with our search powers and an even bigger rise in knife and gun crime. I will ignore this target, like I ignore all the others. The law says that if I have the relevant grounds to search someone, then I can. So I will.
Having said all that, we are so short all the time that I would say on average I have about 8 minutes a shift of proactive patrol before I get sent to the first domestic so I hardly ever search anyone.
Jeez, is that right Gov?
Two thugs kick a man so badly he needs a steel plate in his head and they DIDN’T go to prison.
Why the **** not?
You lot must be on the verge of going mad. Abbott gets a ticking off and a tweeting copper is investigated. There’d better be no discipline or there WILL be trouble, people can’t take much more of this bullshit!
Try and discipline Gadget and you’d have a Blue Flu no show the very next day.
Even if they took away u/c sick you can demand a sick certificate, …. it’s your right by Law for some reason, …. from your GP. I have confirmed this with a GP. They HAVE to issue you one.
Which would leave management powerless.
I’d say this Country is closer to a police strike, or some such similar action, than it has ever been since 1926.
If Manning was telling the truth he should be congratulated. Whistleblowers are encouraged everywhere else these days, why not in law and order?
Bill.
Reckon his SMT have shit a brick. should it go to any sort of public hearing they’ll have to fess up to only having 3 response cars out.
Sometimes the wrong people go to prison. Often people who should don’t.
Professional burglars go free, violent repeat offenders go free, but Cops always seem to go inside for first minor offences even though they are never likely to reoffend and are also punished by loss of Job, pension.
Also there are some really stupid applications of the sentencing guides see
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16631052
You’re right, of course; but can the MOP in the street do about it? The disconnect from the public and the political class, at all levels, is becoming wider and wider, On a minor point; they’ve promised us elected police heads – no doubt drawn from the local Great and the Good, or from ‘safe pairs of hands,’ but what’s the use of that unless we have elected magistrates who will enforce the laws WE want enforcing.? Dream on!
They will be backed by the local political parties to run as crime commissioners. They there wont be political interference – that is just a damned lie.
Flaming iPhone – that should say ”they say there wont be political interference”
Nice to see the news about the officer whose jaw was broken and teeth knocked out when arresting a male who had walked out of HMP Ford whilst there for attempted murder (yes, you read that right) is receiving as much attetetion in the media as calls to the speaking clock.
Oh, wait……
Politcians pay alot of people a lot of money to lie to them. Senior civil servants, senior police officers, NHS managers et al. They know that when they give them targets and incentives the greedy wannabes will bend over backwards to meet them. Thus ensuring they can manipulate the masses and maintain their own view on society with impunity as they’ve created their own statistics to back them up.
It’s all part of the mental illness that goes with being greedy, ambitious and self centred, or politician syndrome as I like to think of it.
It is suffered in all industries and makes it easier to cope with reality as they just dismiss it as being wrong. Happy in the knowledge that they are right by the delusion they’ve created.
To tell these people the truth is dangerous. They’ll do what ever they can to maintain their delusion and continue their manipulation. Hence the reg.14′s etc.
In MetroCity one of our Commanders wants to kick off the “ask the boss” forum again…. it’s going to be interesting to see what is asked…
Problem is that there is a cloud of demoralisation, resignation and despair over most of my colleagues…. I doubt they will bother to be honest.
How will be bombarded with more questions about ‘Free Travel’ – He is going to wish he never came south!
Except it’s not free – officers do pay the tax element.
and, to be fair, I’d pay the lot if, as reported, it’s a £16 million cost spread across 32,000 officers.
Submissions should be made via Fed Reps or SPOCs on teams so that people can remain anonymous if they wish to.
I sent a question… nothing too concerning… sent to a shared mailbox… apparently the information manager will ensure anonymity, but too be honest I have no problem sharing my feeling with SMT.
It will never be totally anon or risk free and therefore the difficult questions will not be asked. That’s what they rely on – fear. I have no faith on response being listened to. Just look at how the response teams are viewed and treated by so much of the job, despite being at the forefront of performance measuring! It stinks!!!
ASNT is correct. Our divisions extremely popular ‘anonymous’ ‘Ask the Boss’ was recently scrapped.and you now have to give your name. This forum often posed difficult questions for the SMT which they didn’t like to answer (although in fairness they did usually come up with some sort of company jobspeak response in keeping with current management guidelines – you get my drift). Anyway, since the lifting of anonimity, unsurprisingly not a single searching question has been submitted. If you were to submit one your card would certainly be marked. Fear rules in MetroCity,
Well at least we can get the kettle on again:-
Kettling protesters is lawful, appeal court rules
Metropolitan police win appeal against high court ruling criticising violent tactics at the G20 protest in 2009
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/19/kettling-protesters-lawful-appeal-court
Funny how comments aren’t allowed on that article!
First to invent the ‘nearly last’ game – get in!
Off topic but it gave me a nice warm feeling. In my post job job I come into contact with members of the public in various situations. Recently I recognised a guy as a prolific criminal from years earlier. He told me that he was released early after doing half or less of a 6 year sentence. Weeks after release though he was caught for a low grade crime and was returned to prison to finish his 6 years.
He has also been unlucky enough since I last saw him some years ago to have acquired a very painful ongoing injury which will never heal completely and has other serious medical issues. He’ll never outrun the police again.
As a fellow human being I should be sorry for him. As someone who dealt with hundreds of victims of the likes of him over the years I just think of it as karma.
In his case prison (eventually) worked. I’m confident that hundreds of people will have been spared from being victims by his 6 years inside.
And that old bean is the best reason for pokey
Hi Gadget,
Your last sentence reads; Chose the ones they want to close, that way you know you are getting the best information.
That is in a past tense. You might like to change the first word to Choose, and delete my missive after reading. Best wishes, AZZ
It’s true that 24/7 Response Teams are poorly staffed
and the worst treated. This is totally wrong but has
been the case since I joined in the late 80′s.
I’ve no idea why, it just is. Possibly a culture thing?
I’d not want to go back at the moment, i’m not scared;
it’s just not that appealing to me anymore.
One thing I will say is that there are lots of Folk in the
job who work very hard to protect the Public and don’t
wear Uniforms, or work 24/7.
Murder Squads, Surveillance Teams, Sexual Offender
Units etc, all do their bit yet rarely “Don the Cloth.”
I respect you all on Response, Scale, Relief or Team but
the reality is if you want to be treated like an Adult and with
a bit of respect you’ve got to get off and do your bit somewhere
else.
30+ Years is a long time to be tired, fed-up and frustrated.
Totally agree with you. The jobs own attitude toward response has to change if we are to move forward. Response should be the place everybody wants to work (on division anyway) It should be a sought after posting with the kudos and respect it merits. Instead we are not trusted, over supervised and made to feel like we are the bottom of the policing barrel.
Boss. If you’re anywhere close to getting your pension, why not quit, come public and stand for Met elected Commisioner? Surely, you’d cream off the votes. Bit like red Ken when he stood for Mayor against Labour!!
I can think of about 8 million people who would vote for the Boss..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-16628121
More than 100 prison staff have staged a walkout at Nottingham Prison in protest at a rise in the number of assaults against officers by inmates
Another example of our joke of a justice system – if they attack a prison officer their sentence should be at least doubled.
They could solve it overnight angry:
Commit ANY crime inside and your term automatically goes to the maximum tariff for the original crime plus the new crime’s maximum tariff slapped on top. I suspect that would sort it out overnight.
Same as assault-police. Maximum tariff every time, with tariff served non-concurrently. Word would get around in days if not hours between your regular ‘customers’!
Aren’t prison officers banned from striking?
They are buzz but they don’t pay attention to that fact.
Micheal ‘someting of the night’ Howard got them defined as Constables
Here be a wee song as sung by The White Buffalo, that probably will make a lot of you reflect the way your relationship with the Home Sec. has gone.
I post it as a sort of tribute to what you do.
http://tinyurl.com/7jrf3rz
Free speech, ECHR etc: I was disciplined for misconduct this time last year for posts on this blog. I was declared guilty without any opportunity to argue my case, but fortunately have a good boss who imposed the lowest possible sanction. Bear in mind there was nothing racist, sexist, homophobic etc, just frustration at the state of affairs in my force, by whatever means I was identified and fizzed.
How did they know it was you? Did you post from a works computer?
He used to post as “Pc4335 Johnston @ Ashford” before he became Nom de plumage.
The rubber heelers still congratulated themselves on their top detective work in outing him.
I can only think that you must have been on a works computer. Whoops.
I’ve just seen Neville Thurlbeck, the ex-chief reporter for the News of the World, giving an interview on Channel 4 news. His body language was very telling! He admitted to being a C.I for NCIS for several years and heavily hinted that his handlers swapped information with him.
As this story unravels I really would like to know why two Assistant Commissioner’s decided that there was nothing to investigate.
I believe I can summarise this in one phrase Zig-Zag: ‘Reach-around’.
Reach-around? Is that a sexual technique?
Anyone in Metro-land been looking at the shite spewing forth from the new AC? He is talking about ‘hunting fugitives’ ‘grip and pace’ (WTF) and ‘less strategy – more action’. Sound bite man has arrived. I expect he’s about 20. Thanks Mancs.
It was very embarrassing to read.
Buried in the midst of it was of course his fervent love for single patrol – resulting in our local SMT squibbing Team guvnors about enforcing it as they expect draconian monitoring measures to follow.
Wouldnt be an issue if there were sufficient vehicles and enhanced OST equipment (Taser for one!)
Oh you are a card!
I notice that Tazer discussions have disappeared entirely from the intranet – and there doesn’t appear to be much mention of the (latest) stabbed XB PC from the Hanwell job either.
Still, grip and pace the non-strategic fugitives!
Ha! ha! Love it…….’Sound Bite Man’…….A new hero has entered the Met.
Dont want to be dispelling the myth of the good old british bobby with stories of them constantly getting stabbed now do we!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jan/19/olympic-security-bobbies-on-the-beat
“I am not in the slightest bit worried. What the general public will see is something like 12,500 police officers dressed like me patrolling the streets,” said Allison.
“The military will not be patrolling the streets. The thing people will see is the traditional British bobby working alongside the community, providing advice, providing guidance and ensuring people are safe and secure.”
Was Allison wearing a Metvest and Hi-vis jacket as he gave this cringe-worthy interview? I doubt very much we’ll be sitting in a nice office wearing shirt-sleeve order while we’re on Olympic aid for 12hrs at a time.
It’s embarrassing to hear senior officers use words like ‘bobby’ to try and pretend it’s all Dock Green in inner city London.
“I am not in the slightest bit worried. What the general public will see is something like 12,500 police officers dressed like me patrolling the streets,” said Allison.
Was he dressed in a clowns outfit with a squirty bow tie?
‘Bobby’ is a northern word anyway, as you well know, in The Metropolis we use ‘Copper’ or ‘Old Bill’ more often.
We is Jakez bruv!
Nah man. Dems da 5 o or da Feds innit bruv..
Oh mah dayzzzzz
“Grip and Pace”
Sounds like the old ‘Squaddie in shorts Syndrome’ – one hand down the front and stroll the room cupping gently.
Today my response team/relief consisted of 14 young eager men and women all dashing round like blue ar**d flies. Our Caiu consisted of 12 plus 2 sgts, all of whom finished at 4pm. It appears there is no child abuse after 4pm! Our 24/7 teams are like the point of an inverted pyramid, all the weight bearing down on very little! Thats after we created another division last year within the detective teams, force and local CID!
I’ve heard Response described as 10% of the workforce doing 90% of the work.
The system will have to break entirely before anyone attempts to fix it. Problem is, I suspect they are allowing it to break intentionally to allow for remodelling the way they want it; much like how our mugs and crockery I don’t like that the missus has bought suffers many more ‘accidents’ than stuff I do like.
It’s human nature; shame they’re going to f*ck us all in following it eh!
Last?
YOU HAVE GOT IT COMPLETELY WRONG …… the system is working.
The system is not there for your benefit, nor for justice or any other high minded ideal. You are there to keep the wheels of business and economy turning.
The Prison Population will increase in time, but only once full privatisation is in place and it is turned into a business like America. The Prison bosses will then be pointing at police deficiences and calling for longer sentences to make the country safe. More prisoners for them….charge more money….private enerprsie.That will be money going into their back pockets whilst prison staff will be on minimum wage.
Response teams will be run down, then you will be so happy that PCSO’s will be turned into cheaper PC’s…..followed by the first wave of ‘fixed term contract’ bobbies…all to help out because you are under staffed. You won’t oppose it because you will be thankfull of the extra help
You won’t be picked on too much…..because in all the years….what have you achieved. No disrespect intended, i admire you.
Reality is so hard.
In relation to point 3 we found that during the riots a system put in place worked.
Everyone on duty was a response officer first (with radio) and a specialist officer second.
The paperwork still got done and people who normally insist they can only do their day jobs between 8 and 4 managed to do them just fine working days, lates, nights and weekends and were commended for not letting their important office work be effected by the riots and volunteering to work unsociable hours.
Did I mention those who volunteered to work after 1800hours were all given double time?
Double Time. Do some while stocks last.
Oh they did.
Fortunately I got to do the same and worked every minute they would let me.
Kitchens don’t pay for themselves…
It’s taken 69 years for whoever is responsible for the crap in this world to take over decency and respect and, TOTALLY GET IT WRONG, because in my day we were scared of being involved with police and would never have dreamt of even swearing in their prescence apart from the fact that swearing was taboo and just not done in decent families. Now,
however, you can apparently swear at policemen/women, they obviously have been brought up with swearwords and have to take them,WRONG WRONG WRONG my son wasn’t and neither were his brothers.
Yes, Gadget, you’re right, our leaders, and it really doesn’t matter who you work for, all talk bollocks! We, on the shop floor, know the truth, and are afraid of expressing our opinions in a public forum, and putting our names to those opinions. I’ve been in the armed services, worked in prisons, and now work in a college, and everywhere I’ve worked, management perception has been somewhat different to mine. Those whose opinions coincided with management’s seem to prosper (do I need a course of re-orientation?)
We’re heading into a 1984 “reality”
We’re already there mate. The only difference is they haven’t quite moved on to killing the proles who step out of line yet. As far as your colleagues are concerned though you will disappear.
Are we at war with Eurasia or Oceana this week?
Ooo I feel very honoured gadget tweeted a comment of mine
blushing
Bosses are always happy to hear the views from the floor especially when they are the same as their own.
Any differing view indicates that the person expressing it is a) negative, b) doesn’t understand the bigger picture, c) a troublemaker, d) enjoys being a PC, e) needs to direct their energy at improving their detection rate, f) are due a move onto response, g) are already on response, h) need to be action planned, i) are met with a glazed expression when they next meet that boss.
Boss,
I’ve read this blog since just before I got accepted as a newbie. This is one of your best.
_________________________________________________________
My day today:
-NFA from the CPS on a case that ticks the too-hard box (cant disagree completely on that one in honesty)
-Outrage over a CPS decsicion to try and NFA two offenders for child neglect after they locked a mother and a five month old baby outside in -3c weather for about 30 mins before breaking a collegues fingers when they got locked up.
-Took a kid home after he ‘mooned’ us 3 times. Zero point in locking him up and, in fairness its not crime of the century. Then immediately have to take another lass back to her foster parents after she gives us the finger as we drop off the first kid.
I would have made a good child catcher.
Still, last shift it was nice to see 4 cars with 8 cops respond to what was, from the start, clearly not going to be a ‘Police’ job.
Confused elderly caller crying down the line saying their spouse had got out of bed and they didnt know where they where. Got there and you could hear the sobbing from the driveway. Inside – notes saying ‘This is your house, don’t go out this door’ etc:… Elderly caller was extremely distressed. Spouse had been dead for 10 years. Kettle on and sit with them until family could arrive.
Is it a Police job? No, not really. But:
If not us, who?
Nice one with the vulnerable pers mate. Sadly you will not get measured on the support and comfort you gave them. Anyway, sod the performance stats and keep doing same. It is why we do the job at the end of the day.
GrrrArg, you’re a Proper Copper. I take my hat off to you.
Bill.
Good on you GrrrArg. That’s why we joined. Stick their performance indicators up their smt arses and keep doing the right thing for the people that need our help.
You failed mate – no targets hit there.
OT I know,but this one needs a wider audience.
Was watching the news about the stricken cruise ship, the sky presenter said, “Shes laying on her side with a gash the size of a tennis court”, I just happened to glance at the wife on the settee and now its all kicked off!!!! .
Ha ha ha love it !
LOL!
George Michael has sent his sympathies to the Captain of the italian cruise ship.
He knows only too well the feeling after a night cruising, of being abandoned, laid on his side, with a damaged bottom .
I have been following blogs from people who work in the front line for a number of years – Theodore Dalrymple, Coppersblog, Winston Smith. The authors go on to write books, perhaps have a question asked in parliament. Five years down the road, their impact on public policy is … nil.
There is a huge disconnect between the people who make policy, and those whose job is to deliver services while working around the criminally brain-dead decisions of the policy makers. Blogs like this give us a glimpse of what is really going on. But they are not enough to change anything. They can simply be ignored.
We need ideas on how to influence public policy. Organisations like ‘Liberty’ or the ‘Equality and Human Rights Commission’ are highly effective at providing spokespersons and PR statements, and have an influence out of proportion to their size. ‘Migration Watch’ has made waves, but it has not changed policy, even though public opinion is probably on its side.
I don’t know what to suggest. Perhaps public apathy is just too great for anything to change. Comments please.
All civilizations fall eventually and we are living through the fall of the Western one sadly . The seeds of collapse are sown as civilizations start to rise. The seeds have always been the same irrespective of the societies involved.
The best investment for anyone hoping to find out clues as to why this is a fact of live should be a copy of Edward Gibbon`s “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” Amazon has copies on sale for 1 pence. There are faults in the book (in my humble opinion) as to all the causes, but much of what is found there is recognisable. The rise of the East will now take place with untold consequences for our way of life and that too in its turn will pass away.
This is true. However, we can at least influence whether the decline is slow and pleasant, or a crime-ridden economic collapse. We don’t have to be hell-bent on the latter.
Can’t be arsed.
The point is, like PC Nick Manning, anyone who speaks out risks getting persecuted or prosecuted.
Secondly it is not media fashionable to want to support real police thinking.
Change the above and perhaps……….( not in my life time ).
As a MoP, my hope is that, as there is more distrust of politicians than I’ve ever seen, and as the MSM race each other in the swirl towards the plughole, then the internet becomes a more valuable outlook on the world.
Remember it was presumably an office worker who’s leak exposed the MPs’ expenses, not one of the cosy lobby sycophants.
Errr, whose.
*wishes IG had a correction window or preview*
First 300 – awful.
From the new Metpol AC ‘Less strategy – more action.’
Don’t think – react!
FFS
Wax on, wax off!
‘Less strategy – more action.’
That sounds like a strategy all of it’s own though.
See what I did there?
Redgoat-absolutely spot on……….could have written that myself.
I am uniform front-line but not quite relief.I have to keep my head down as I quite like my team and the shift-pattern.
One of our SMT is retiring this week.His lacky PS came round rattling the collection tin for him when we were on parade earlier this week.Most of my chums had no bottle and put something in.As it came to me I sat there, arms folded looking grumpy and said “absolutely not”.
I am quite childish sometimes but I have principles!
We do have freedom of Speech in this country.
We’re just not allowed to use it.
Un-related, but take a look at this video re level crossing smash.
Without due care? She practically admits it at the end…..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16649440
A DRIVER who led police on a 130mph zig-zag car chase in a 50mph zone has walked free from court after a judge said he was “a very silly boy”.
Jordan Newington, of Rowan Road, Bexleyheath, raced off in his Vauxhall Corsa when officers caught him speeding on the A2 in Bexleyheath and signalled for him to pull over.
The aspiring soldier hit 130mph, weaving between all three lanes of the busy road and undertaking other drivers.
So “aspiring soldier” joins “he was drunk”, “it was out of character” , “his girlfriend is pregnant” and other ̶c̶r̶a̶p̶ ̶e̶x̶c̶u̶s̶e̶s̶ mitigation!
Gadge, there are innumerable stories like this from all round the country but part of the problem is that not all of them hit the national press. Consequently, they don’t impinge on the national consciousness and the totality of the real situation is never revealed.
I once started to keep press cuttings of stories like this of which I became aware but very quickly couldn’t keep up with the deluge. When I see things like this it makes my blood boil but it is like looking through a monocular – there’s much more like this out there but it is just outside my field of vision.
Imagine what it would be like if there was a central repository where all these stories could be collated. It would make sobering reading and would corroborate the anecdotal stories from your many contributors. This is the purpose of the internet in my view – enabling information delivery to the masses that would otherwise be hidden.
Any tech savvy readers out there who could suggest how to achieve this? If it exists already, excuse my ignorance and point me in the right direction!
“Vauxhall Corsa” and “130 mph”?
Bolleaux
The VXRs do 140….
Always see the squaddies in their hot hatches. I think they get a greatly reduced rate while based in Germany etc and spend all their pay on them.
Tax free..
Ah well, they can polish that turd all they want – it’s still a Corsa
Some good news elsewhere. One slippery politician might be soon be hearing the sound of flapping wings as chickens come home to roost.
http://order-order.com/2012/01/20/sunday-times-drops-huhne-high-court-challenge/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+guidofawkes+%28Guy+Fawkes%27+blog+of+parliamentary+plots%2C+rumours+and+conspiracy%29
My best stop/search story involves a PC who used to be on my team in my previous force. He turned over a known scrote, nothing found, issued the form and sent him in his way. About 30 minutes later I was summoned to the nick to deal with a complaint. Said scrote didn’t line what was written on the form – under “description” the bobby had written “ugly”. Scrote was outraged. But it was true – this bloke was absolutely hideous. Scrote said he would be happy for me to tell the bobby off so I had to speak to the pc about professionalism etc. then I bought him a pint.
I still grin about that 20 years later. Happy days.
Build: ‘fat’ (not ‘heavy’)
I so always put “fat”!!!
I keep saying it:
Air condition prisons below the comfort level. It’s a PUNISHMENT for goodness sake.
I don’t know whether it should be 5degrees or 10 degrees, but a soft 6 month in whatever passes for prison today would be a different proposition if it was in the equivalent of a meat cooler.
http://www.free-willy.org.uk/
Love the pics. Apologies if it’s been pasted in before. We should be out catching rapists and burglars indeed.