The Metropolitan Police Authority was disbanded at midnight on 15th January and replaced by the Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime (MOPC).
Here is a summary of the positive contributions made by the MPA, according to Met police Gadget readers over the years:
[nothing]
Thank you. At least Met officers now know not to say brainstorming, blackboard or manning the phones.
In other news, Leveson has heard that ‘Times newspaper article revealing identity of anonymous blogger Nightjack was based on material obtained from Hotmail account’. Times editor James Harding told the inquiry on Tuesday he had disciplined the reporter involved for accessing the email account by giving him a written warning. In a startling piece of hypocrisy, I was listed as a Times Top 40 Bloggers That Count in the same year!!
really?
How’s that for fate? I was trawling through the 700 odd comments on the last posting when my internet connection went down, causing me to have to log back in. When I did, this new post was there!!
A bit like policing. All our really big successes are mostly by accident rather than design!
The problem with the MOPC will be the same as the MPA and anything else run by politcians. At the end of the day they are all amateurs trying to tell professionals how to do their job. Policing is like football management – millions and millions all over the country who all think they could do it better but very few actually prepared to give it a go.
Reminds me of Javier Clemente – irascible former Spain and Athletico Madrid manager.
Once a journalist had both the temerity (and cojones) to criticise Clemente in a press conference. The manager bristled and demanded to know what qualified the journalist to pass comment.
The journalist replied that he ‘…..seen a lot of football…..’, to which Clemente responded, ‘Yes, and so have the cows at Lezama’ (Athletico’s rural training ground).
That’s amazing, well congratulations
Great
there is nothing there!
Exactly.
Was that a wah?
WAH!
Great news not
First
First to say “First” therefore I win?
my first ever reply on here….. close to the top?
Have I slipped into a parallel universe?
Am I really in the first 10?
top ten
1st
Obviously that should have read 10th
(
Top ten?
Podium?
Not even close. Stupid fat fingers and smart phone.
Same here – it said 3 replies when I found it. 20+ by the time I’d posted.
Can my client use that if he disputes your operation of the Speed Gun?
Off course your worships , my fat fingers do actually benefit the defendant as they are stuck on the trigger for longer thus giving them time to see me and slow down. When I first saw them they were going faster then when I released the trigger and had them locked on.
Fancy your chances?
Well have to be a bit careful as my best m8 now recently retired (as opposed to re-tyred – sorry couldn’t resist that one) is ex Ratus Noire and SEG. But who knows? Maybe I’d win. After all I did have a case where the officer showed me the device (outside court) and said look it reads 30 even if you point it at a wall!!!!
No you carry on pointing that thing at cars. 30MPH is far too fast for inner London with so many children about. I love slow, to me its the new fast. Behind my 5″ steam loco 5MPH is quite fast enough.
I suggested to Jenny Jones that the whole of London should be 20MPH.
I’ve not lost an Excess Speed in 28 years (inc. 3 at CC). I’d like to “battle” with you!
No chance, they don’t do Legal Aid for Speed well not that sort of speed anyway.
Look stick at what you are good at don’t risk your track record with arresting any villains.
LOL! It’s mostly that nowadays (see my “name” for a clue) and, I have to say, I’m enjoying work as much as ever.
“Team” is still the best place in the best job!
“I suggested to Jenny Jones that the whole of London should be 20MPH.”
How exactly do you propose to DOUBLE the average speed in Metroland?
Bulldoze most of it and put a motorway in. It’d be an improvement.
I wish to claim “umpteenth”, BTW.
@Moose \\Bulldoze most of it and put a motorway in\\
Last time ‘they’ tried that, it took rather a long time – about 50 years.
The ‘Bressey/Lutyens’ London Orbital Road was first mooted in the 1930s – first bits were built in the 70s – the resulting M25 wasn’t a continuous loop until 1986 – and there seems no reasonable chance of it ever getting ‘finished’ (=adequate to traffic needs as estimated 15 previously)
[I cross the M25 near J 10 on most days, & get the impression that - whatever traffic planning is done - the motorists will arrange their journeys so as to saturate capacity (= slow) whenever possible?]
The M25 design was more than adequate for proposed traffic increases. What they failed to design for was the motorist.
Given a choice of driving through low-speed-congested-roads to get to the “other” side, they drove around the city on the 25.
Obvious when you think about it. Planners must not do a lot of driving.
I’m sure that the M25 gave commuters a bigger range of places to live and work. So it filled up.
@Bruce – That was exactly what I was told (by one of the senior traffic engineers) when they were building the A3 Guildford bypass. 9-5ers expect a 45minute drive – and if it gets TOO quick, they compensate by moving further away from work.
top twelvety!
And I had my computer on and OUtlook running! Step upstairs for 2 minutes for a piss and this happens! FML!
Anyway, Guv, whats happening with the book?
A sign of things to come? We’ll watch with great interest how an individual will shape and influence policing…
I reckon I might try and sell some ‘snake oil’ up at County Hall.
Top 20. Booyah!
Are you taking bets on how long the MOPC will last before it’s replaced by something even shinier. 2 years? 3?
Top 20?
Probably sums up most Police Authorities.
Please excuse my ignorance but what if effect, if any will this have on (a) the public, and (b) the Met police?
SFA
Worst case scenario – no one votes for boris out of some misguided revenge, no one votes for Ken because he was useless the first time round, no one votes for Paddick because, well he’s Paddick, which leaves the fourth runner to be Mayor. And that peeps is one Jenny “so-ugly-a-warthog-wouldn’t-have-go” Jones.
fifteenth?,there seems to be loads of dosh to pay for sidekicks to Boris,who as the gaffer points out contribute…ZILCH.
Shame the money isn’t used to employ police officers instead.
I agree it will be costing a fortune and we really don’t need them.
What the hell do they do all day?
Being in the first ten on IG is almost as satisfying as a unanimous acquittal in one of my cases.
I say almost because there is no fee associated with the IG Blog.
Gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat…………………
Glad to see you were aquitted.
Oh very droll, just sorry that you weren’t.
5 out of 8 last year and one out of one this year so far.
To be fair you are going up against the CPS, that’s like playing dogdeball with an elephant with broken legs.
Yes th CPS always get aquittals. SWhould wetell them that they are supposed to secure convictions. Mind you a lot of aqittals are so that they can finish early and get into the pub.
Wot?
Acquittals follow a jury trial. It is generally considered bad form to pop off to the pub before the Judge has risen.
Thats a fair point i suppose except that in all of those trials they had briefed Barrister’s from Chambers so I was fighting on a level playing field. In fact they the barristers may have thought that against me as a Solicitor Advocate I was at a disadvantage.
Often what lets the case down is not the CPS but the police investigation. In fact on that front it is sometimes like taking sweets off a baby.
I haowever, unlike many of my colleagues offer feedback to officers and I will if anyone asks me, attend a Training Day or even a Briefing to to do so.
“Often what lets the case down is not the CPS but the police investigation. In fact on that front it is sometimes like taking sweets off a baby.”
Seems like you bat for the other side. Didn’t take long for the corruption to take hold. Barely concealed contempt for the lack of training in the art of guile and deception in the poleece.
Sorry but that statement intimates far more about the superiority complex that appears to be behind your offer of “help”.
Snake oil is snake oil even when marketed as chip fat.
Pah!
I really ought to just ignore you but I do not see myself as being superior to any police officers. They could achieve what I have since retirement so I have no reason to gloat on that point.
I was actively involved in a court training scheme before and after retirement from the Met.
As an example of my style which I find goes down quite well. A couple of weeks ago an officer did a good interview but had to resort to reading that sheet which is taped to the desk in the i/v room. As she showed me out, I said look don’t mind me mentioning this but if you were to memorise the patter so that you can deliver it without having to read it, you will come across as being experienced. She thanked me for that.
On another occasion my client having just entered pleas on the day of trial, i had a few words with the police witness and pointed out that had there been a trial, I would have questioned him closely over his decision to conduct an interview on the street. He was also thanked me.
I don’t know what you mean when you say i bat for the other side. I am a defence advocate if that is what you mean.
Hmm…thanks for the reply to confirm what I thought.
I know what you are “now” as I tend to pay attention. Re-read the blog with all the comments SOS?
You ought to ignore me…… is that how one treats criticism these days?
Just asking ….and to TBH can’t give a fck about getting into a virtual argument about ethics and the like. You are doing your job and I’m doing mine FWIW and for the pay?
“They could achieve what I have ” What a snobby Cunt. No doubt a REMF toss pot that studied for their cufflinks and three hour lunch break in job time while the troops were getting a kicking.
You are just so wrong but its a waste of time. I give up say what you like. And for those who won’t listen to someone who is trying to help – Happy Windsor!
I hate to find myself siding with a solicitor but it is a valid observation in part – not so much because of the investigation in many cases but the presentation. It’s certainly not about about needing guile or deception, just solid statement writing and delivery in the box.
I suspect from the hint of vitriol in the post that you’re not interested in hearing this, of course
I know ….just caught me in a bad, MF mood.
Can only stomach so much of a condescending tone at times without wanting to go postal.
Meh!
What will Jenny Jones do with herself now….
Guv just a quick one – amazon sent out an enail cancelling orders for ‘wasting more police time’ im assuming the book hasnt been cancelled and has just fallen behind schedule?
There were some issues with production, all is OK, it has simply been rescheduled. This is the info I have.
PC Angry and others, thanks for interest in Wasting MORE Police Time and apologies for the delay.
This has been caused by a variety of issues cropping up. Some ought to have been foreseen (eg we decided late in the day to take some legal advice on it) and others couldn’t have been (eg the Red Arrows pilot who died when he was ejected on the ground a while back was the best friend, since childhood, of our designer Paul; that knocked the poor guy about a bit and he took some time off).
Anyway, the situation is now: we will have copies in our mitts at the end of this month and will be sending the first lot out to people who have ordered direct from us. The rest should hit the shops in February. I hope it’s enjoyed by readers; the anti crowd will not like it much, I suspect.
Happy as Boris Johnson.
My old Fed rep (as in, he’s no longer my Fed rep, not he’s an old Fed rep) is off to Flint House in February for convalescence. Spoke to him on the phone today and he was asking when this is out as he wants one.
*said in nonchalantly enquiring voice……..*
any….er……scrap the pledge wrisbands about?…..
She will no doubt re emerge as a ‘police expert’ for some charity/lobby group that elects itself to speak for the community. People like that never get a real job.
Seek another Quango……. Just speculating (nothing confirmed so far, but fingers are in pies)…….am I still allowed to say that?
As I understand it, the Jones creature will now become a member of the 12-person Police and Crime Committee which will be comprised of elected London Assembly members.
So, dynamic change there, then…
In fact, here’s the list:
Tony Arbour
Jennette Arnold
Gareth Bacon
John Biggs
Victoria Borwick
James Cleverly
Jenny Jones
Joanne McCarthy
Steve O’Connell
Caroline Pidgeon
Valerie Shawcross
Mike Tuffrey
So now you know.
And all typed via iPhone. That took concentration.
……………..and nimble fingers!
Oh yes. Very nimble indeed. *does one of those lascivious smiley wink things*
I notice Cindy/Seymour is off the list then?
plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose
Shes like a bad dose of the clap!
As opposed to a good dose of the clap? Methinks you’re stooping to argumentum ad hominem.
Subtle difference….one has some fun involved the other is just gopping from start to end.
;(
*have coat and add disclaimer “apparently” to that statement!
Sorry hang on a minute, the net result of this change is going to be four fifths of fuck all, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16567959. Look who’s on its replacement
http://www.london.gov.uk/moderngov/mgCommitteeDetails.aspx?ID=240
What about the book boss?
see above
Ah cheers, was worried for a minute…
I think that you are being unfair… after all, Police and Crime Commissioners are very likely to be at least as good!
LOVE that avatar!!!!!
Blush!
Thanks!
You can tell that I’ve now retired, and have a bit more time in which to be more creative than when I was running three Custody centres… and anyway, the missus wouldn’t allow “The Job… is fecked!”
I recently had a skipper tell me “The Job’s not only fecked, it’s been fecked dry, with a bit of grit to rub it in”
There are an awful lot of tree hugging, left wing, misguided, know nothing, Quango loving, police hating, Grauniad reading, expense fiddling, unelected fcukwits, missing their monthly cup of Earl Grey and a chocolate Hob while they talk bollocks with Boris and Bernie Two-Dads………gutted for ‘em
‘gutted for ‘em’ – me too Jack. ;0)
Get off that fence Jack, you’ll get splinters!
I’d get on the fence if I could MP………I’ll have to wait until Bernie Two-Dads or Ed Millipede get off !!
Oscar 4 from MP
I don´t think there will be much of a difference, actually….
I forgot to mention…
What about white-boards?
They divide and rule apparently…..
Genius!
excellent…….. made me smile that did!
Why do the nurses in Trick Cyclists wards look like the patients? Just wondering.
They were all inspired by Jo Brand to sign up.
Here’s the latest on “tweeting”…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9022739/Police-officer-faces-disciplinary-action-for-tweeting.html
So, you can tweet what you want if you are Diane Abbot or an MP but not a humble cop.
Nick King, a member of the Dorset police authority, said: “(I)f he is saying there are three police on duty in the north of the county, there’s a concern criminals could see that and exploit it.”
The police authority – if they know about their local manning levels, which they should – should be up in arms about it, not stitching this guy up. I think this verges on corruption.
If I lived in Dorset, I’d be concerned and wanting to know more too. Can’t people take it up with Nick King?
Why not submit a FOI request for actual staffing of response teams.
Anyone who replies can then be reported to professional standards dept. for sewing disaffection.
Would that be a stitch-up?
No more than PC Nick Manning will be ;0)
Well that’s grim.
He’s getting in bother for telling the truth.. and im not sure him saying he has no confidence in the home secretary is ‘party politics’.
If the conservatives had still been in opposition, I’m quite certain that the quote from the MP would read rather differently!!!
PC Manning? That’s terrible. PC Staffing, surely?
They have THREE on duty?
Lucky bastards!!!
I wonder what the difference is between telling the public you have 3 officers on duty and bragging to the public that you have 16,000?
What a joke. The encouragement from the Chief’s for Officers to embrace social media and engage with the community. With the proviso not to tell the truth ….. No wonder most choose anonymity! Let’s hope the Public step up and handle the truth and apply pressure to the correct places not the hapless R&F.
I am sure the locals in Dorset were aware of the short staffing level as they are the poor buggers waiting for a response!
Freedom of speech?
Well if Nick Manning wants to pass all the info to me, private like, i’ll tweet it on his behalf.
The real culprits who undermine public confidence and bring discredit on the service are the local SMT and police authority who have failed to ensure that there are enough officers employed to cover such a large area at any given time. This officer is entitled to have his thoughts and the HRA ensure that he has the right to express himself.
Article 10
Freedom of expression
1Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
Remember the onus or burden of proof is on the prosecution to show that his twittering either caused or was likely to cause damage to public safety. Although it could be argued that he disclosed information that he received in confidence. But the ‘whistle blower’ defence could be used to show that it was in the public interest.
This could could lead to an interesting test case.
I think he’s a whistleblower and accordingly should be afforded the protection of such.
With a new gig, someone will want to make waves………
Don life jacket……sponsored by ‘Your local Fed Rep’
Oh dear……
Well done to Nick Manning for standing up on behalf of thousands of police officers up and down the country.
To note he is a Fed Rep ( So I take back my last post ).
How is this undermining public confidence, the fact is if the statements are true, then its the Home Secretary’s fault.
And now IF the public’s confidence has been under mined, I presume the local constabulary is going to increase the strength of policing……..No ? thought not.
Well Done Nick…….
Read the post now to comment on the success of the MPA.
………………..
emperor’s new clothes anyone?
Same fabric, different tailor.
Still ill-fitting, too costly, too loud………and with the usual unwanted shiny arse
You watch, the buttons will come off…
Rumours are that tailor used to work for Mr. Buyright.
Personally, far from undermining confidence in Police, its refreshing that some of them tell the truth, warts & all.
If anything, I think that Dorsets SMT have some answers to give as to WHY there are only 3 officers covering such a large area.
Will Dorset PSD be serving the SMT with a Reg whatever it is now form for dishonesty, covering up and poor resource management? I think we all know the answer there!
I remember something in Discipline Regs about revealing details of patrols etc but they’d have been the old Regs. Troubling though this is, I do think that officers should bear in mind that they could get into trouble for publishing their own public views. After all Big Brother is back in charge so don’t even think out loud.
After all Big Brother is back in charge………….
Big Brother = The Tory Party.
Let’s hope the new MOPC restores public confidence in the Metropolitan Police Service and acts as a template for the rest of the country, as the police service is infected with corruption and have destroyed the relationship with the local communities with their ill thought and prejudiced actions.
By being answerable to those with a democratic mandate, the police service will be forced to adapt to new and progressive policies and strategies institued by the will of the people, whom the police are charged with protecting.
I see what you did there……….ha,ha,ha, guffaw, chortle & snort
………………….now I really think that I am in a parallel universe, I thought I’d come out of court and gone home.
I don’t think, Victor we should do what the people want per se. After all “the people” know fuck all about policing.
It’s post like this that make it all worthwhile. You just can’t beat a good laugh. Not even with an asp.
Keep it up, Vic – you provide much entertainment here in Thug Towers.
Vic – it that a wah? Seriously?
“the will of the people”
So – if one can so ‘engineer’ a vote that a majority (appear to) opt for freedom to rob, stab or rape – do the Police have to help load your car with the victim’s property, or hold them down until you have finished??
I’ve just vomited over your post.
Pmsl
Let’s hope that other farces take note and disband their over paid and under worked PA’s. Maybe some CC’s will take note and realise that their days are well and truely numbered!!!
P45′s at the ready !!
Ah, and now Victor to remove reality from the world….Vic, you should have joined the job,m you are as well grounded as most members of SMT’s.
Surely revealing that there are only three officers at night for a vast area could count as whistleblowing, if the brass truly think its a green light for burglars then the public have a right to know!
I imagine most of the local burglars who know their trade have a good idea how many, or indeed few officers are on duty.
I think you may be giving them too much credit..
Certainly if the moronic shambling fools who burgle houses around my patch had any brains.. then we would be in trouble.
But as an aside…
if PC Manning can get in trouble for saying there are only three cops on duty ..
then it follows that those that allow only three cops to be on duty are also culpable
Exactly…. and if not then they should at least feel ashamed!
Criminals couldn’t have taken advantage of information about what cover was on nights in the past.
Perhaps the bosses didn’t know then it was inadequate- but it is apparent they now accept (claim) this to have been that case.
Who in SMT gets his own personal ‘Green Folder’ for negligence in failing to rectify a known deficiency?
“I hope it’s enjoyed by readers; the anti crowd will not like it much, I suspect.”
MUSIC to my ears
Post grunge doughnut music ?
Welcome back Scarlet! Glad you’re better!
Thanks for the kind thoughts.
Hurrah! Trundled over from Dibbs’ blog at last! Glad you’re well fella
Second the comment Mrs D.
Good to see you back Scarlet.
Hope you have managed to conceal the contraband malt close to hand and not finished it yet!
O/T: Your next riot hot-spot brewing up?
Did someone say overtime?! Quick, while there’s still -5s!
Yes, and apparently the youngsters´families are starting to pull the race card already…..
Much Race card is being pulled on the news website. One accuses a commenter by saying “either you’re a police officer or your racist as well.”
Good to see the responses! Croydon residents clearly don’t have short memories.
Nice to see some positive comments there – I suppose as Croydon was so heavily hit by the riots in August, they have run out of patience for limp excuses and violent yoot.
Sadly, their local ‘representatives’ won’t have…
There is another article which does have some negative comments. Funny how they all get shot down by other readers.
Been reading the comments. There’s the usual police brutality blustering vs some sensible people. But this one says it all really…
Bossanova says…
6:47pm Wed 18 Jan 12
My daugtar went down to this & I can’t beleve what the police said to her, telling her to leeve. She hadnt done nothing & just went for a watch. She rang us from there & I says to her its a free world, tell them you aint going nowear. Alright the police are dealing with incedence, but theres no need to start bullying the kids. I not gonna complain cos it wont get noone nowear.
It’s ^ ^THIS^ ^ stinking attitude by so many of these so-called parents that makes me want to repeatedly bang my head against the nearest wall.
Anxiously awaiting Mr Stirling explaining that the ‘democratic process’ obliges Police to join in on the side of the larger gang.
Terrible punctuation and grammar too!
On a serious note its time people started taking responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming Police for the fact their children arent used to the words ‘no’ and ‘go away’. The Met should also be making at clear that there was an urgent assistance requested by officers on scene – not exactly something that happens if everything is fine…. Unless your name is Ali Dizaei…
You know don’t you that little Kitty Malthouse will be dressing up in his PC49 helmet. Whistle and handcuff outfit in private doing something with his plastic baton and sheriffs badge!
rusty sheriffs badge?
Mais oui!
We now look forward with eager anticipation to….
‘Boris Law’
‘Boris Island Airport’
‘Boris Underground Railway’
‘Boris Cycle Scheme’
‘Boris Freeway’
‘Boris Omnibuses’
‘Boris Security Limited’
‘Boris Alarm Systems’
‘Boris Television Corp’
‘Boris THE MUSICAL’
‘Boris The All Singing All Dancing Mayor’
Is it a Bird? Is it a plane? No, it’s ‘Super Boris’;
Actually, as I pointed out yesterday, Boris has sidestepped the inevitable doo-doo and has appointed Kit Maltperson as his Deputy Mayor for policing.
It’s always good to have someone else to blame when the brown stuff starts flying.
In this particular picture from the Grauniad ther look like nothing other than a pair of flea-ridden chimpanzees.
How appropriate.
Actually Malthouse looks a lot like a DS I knew on CO C8.
He had fleas too.
Bill.
He is identical to a DS I know on borough…surely there can’t be two!
How does one get on this council. … For future reference of course ?
I hangs around in police Blogs trying to get the revenge I seek in cyberspace, because I’m too scared to ‘try it on’ with a cop on the street.
My life has been ruined by you lot and for what? A few thousand images which your outdated laws claims I shouldn’t have!
I hates you all, but most of all I hate myself and my impotence.
Keep up the good work.
I’m just wondering whether there are any rules laid down anywhere about the number of police officers who ought to be on duty at any one time per head of population. I guess the SMT get out clause is that they could re-call officers in the case of a crisis.
Lets not ask this particular officer that question as we ought not to aggravate the situation for him.
They – and in this I mean Jenny J, are already bleating that instead screeching and twittering at the Commissioner they will now only be able to bleat at Kit !
I say they deserve each other!
I can’t help but feel that the only thing we should be discussing and railing against is Windsor (in particular part 2). The poster ‘Bring Back Peter Imbert’ made an illuminating comment on the previous posting by IG. I couldn’t give a fuck what the MPA now calls itself, or what the prize tool who is this year’s Commisioner thinks about stop and search. This Windsor 2 lunacy will happen unless we actually do something meaningful, together. No offence meant to anyone.
How ? Please honestly … How ? I really want to know how it can be challanged as we all know when it gets to “her” desk it will be modified to suit as she see fit and not anything agreed too (and no one sought my opinion on those points either )
None taken.
I agree with most of what you say, not the swear word or the disrespectful reference to the Commissioner though.
But something must be done though ideally not via a blog or other social networking site in the name of an individual officer.
We and I say ‘we’ because I am imagining the crater that may mark the spot where London used to be, becoming more of a reality unless we maintain effective policing in the capital.
You need the public to be fully briefed and inspired to fight your corner for you. As an MOP I am willing to do my bit but you need many more on board.
In times like this we must turn to our Government mandated representative body. We must view their Utube videos explaining at length that they don’t know anything but as soon as they do they will tell us – not, of course what they intend to do!
I think I’ll continue to swear, thanks for voicing your disagreement though. The Commisioner was put in place as a yes man to the cuts. If he was cut from a different cloth he wouldnt have got the job. And he is a prize tool (‘total policing’ – LOL)
Okay but resorting to swearing suggests that maybe you don’t have a full command of our rich vocabulary. The word that you used is also the very word that lots of officers were getting heated about when it was said to a police officer.
I’m not going to tell you not to swear its up to you but I think that it undermines your position.
On Total Policing as a concept it seems to me that it is as vague as Pure Honey!
“Okay but resorting to swearing suggests that maybe you don’t have a full command of our rich vocabulary.”
No no no…… I know lots of words and I still prefer ‘F*ck’.
as for police offers getting ‘heated’ when it’s said to them….. well it’s all a matter of context isn’t it?
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Can I just say SOS that the more read your posts the more I think you are a cnut.
Yup swearing ….imagine that but some words in our rich English vocabularly are the best descriptive terms and have been invented for a reason.
*not often I get on one on the Internet but under the present climate and with the toerags looking after number one there is no sense of loyalty and honoUr left except in some places with some decent people.
Dammit!
FFS
Yeah brilliant ignore the practical part of my post and pick up on the minutiae.
No – I picked up on the bit I could take the p1ss out of.
Oh thats okay then as I do enjoy reading your posts. I like a bit a bit of piss taking, it never harmed me.
Yeah brilliant ignore the practical part of my post and pick up on the minutiae.
Isn’t that a defence solicitor’s tactic
I defer to your more tactful description. However, I think mine has a nice ring to it in a confrontation.
“ignore the practical part and pick up on the minutiae”. Isn’t that what you pricks do in court.
Oh sorry you’ve got me I am hoist by my own petard!
He will to busy shagging the latest woman in his life to worry about that
I went to a Briefing a few Years back taken by
a very senior Metrocity Officer.
At the end a picture of a Clown appeared on the
Screen and they said something like:
“And this is not our new MPA Member.”
I thought it was quite funny and says it all really.
O/T: Anyone able to say whether hacking an email account is a criminal offence?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jan/17/times-reporter-hacked-nightjack-email?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+theguardian%2Fmedia%2Frss+%28Media%29
Dan – s1 Computer Misuse Act 1990 would be a good place to start.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1990/18/section/1
Also try DPA 1998 for further info…
“Section 55(1) DPA unlawful obtaining etc. of personal data
It is an offence to knowingly or recklessly obtain, disclose or procure the disclosure of personal information without the consent of the data controller.”
Not so up on it but interestingly the young reporter that hacked the email faced disciplinary actions in-house. However the Times then went on to lie about how they obtained the info and inferred it was NJ that pointed the finger at himself by content of his blog. Interesting to see how this will pan Out.
Witch hunt has started in ernest then re PC Manning but nothing he tweeted hasn’t been said many times over on many police blogs.
Pah!
‘Times newspaper article revealing identity of anonymous blogger Nightjack was based on material obtained from Hotmail account’
Unbelievable.
Very believable.
Unsurpringly he does not have a hotmail account-
patrick@patrickfoster.co.uk
Patrick- if you read this (I suspect you are the sort of self-absorbed individual who googles themselves hourly so every chance you will) then just so you know- I can’t wait until you get lifted for this.
Yep. Hope he gets to try on the bracelets, computer seized etc, who knows what will turn up then eh. They are scum bags.
Hopefully nightjack will at the very least be able to sue for civil damages.
Who said blogging doesn’t pay
Met Fed loose patience with national Fed!
https://www.metfed.org.uk/support/uploads/1326814813Letter%20to%20Ian%20Rennie%20re%20PAT.pdf
Here we go!
look forward to the response….thanks for this.
I like the comment about the current economic climate coupled with a government determined to use the crisis to push through drastic reforms to the Police service has exposed the limitations of the current negotiating arrangements. Ie to rely on negotiating and fairness is an old-fashioned, almost naive mode of thinking.
Maybe when dealing with Politicians and the Press.
I wonder what the Met Fed are implying is needed?
Well if the Doctors can strike I can’t see why we can’t!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jan/18/bma-industrial-action-pension-reforms
because we will all be sacked just before we accrue a half-decent pension if we lose the protection of our crown office status.
Also because it would be morally and ethically wrong.
And in breach of our oath of attestation.
Apart from that it’s a great idea for people who can’t think further ahead than their next rest day.
Stop talking bollocks please.
As Crown officers should we not be treated with the respect we deserve by this Government then? Should we just roll over and allow this to happen?
We are the Police for God sake and believe it or not we as an entity are more powerful than the Government think – It is wrong to abuse us just because we have no industrial rights.
I also feel very sorry for those in the Armed Forces who are also getting shafted in a similar fashion to us.
Personally i think work to rule needs to be organised and implemented asap.
Yes.
No.
No we aren’t.
Yes it is.
So do I.
The last one is, as they say, yours.
As Crown officers you have surrendered your self respect and dignity to a system that regards you as serfs, and which you yourself think this to be fine. No sympathy!
‘Also because it would be morally and ethically wrong.’
Is it not morally and ethically wrong to destroy officers’ pay and pensions?
To remove protections for cancelling rest days?
To discipline an officer for telling the truth?
If something isn’t done soon, then thinking beyond our next rest day will be the least of your problems
excellent post comrade ….. time to fight fire with fire I recon … time for coughs and splutters of the blue flu to kick in nationwide I say ….. f**k morals and ethics … how long are we going to sit back and be held hostage by those words …..
The public get the Police they deserve …. and I don’t see the majority overly concerned about us getting bent over and shafted …… a few days lawlessness would see this bullsh*t all sorted out … they’d have to acquiesce and we’d get whats we want … and deserve back …
Just needs someone to start the ball rolling …. although no doubt that person would get sacked for ‘spreading decent amongst the ranks’ ….
aren’t we better than them Buzz?
This isn’t a fight we will win by brassing off the general public.
The only reason they would be brassed off is due to misinformation spouted by the media. This is where the federation should be screaming from the roof tops the facts.
Love him or hate but bob crow is an example of someone who gets the point across.
Misinformation like ‘your house was burned down by a gang of rioters because the police were on strike” perhaps?
We can’t go on strike. It’s pointless even thinking we could.
Chewie -we are the Police – we stand up to bullies.
If you can’t – leave.
We do stand up to bullies.
We are also honest, act with integrity, and don’t make innocent people suffer for the acts of the guilty.
And we all made a promise to get the Job.
and they made a promise in 1978/1979 to keep our conditions of service if we enshrined the no-industrial-action it in Law
Aware that every syllabul may get cut and pasted into a reply, this is my very point. Reacher may say that my saying this is evidence of my condescention towards you all, but Chewie and Maroon Lid are absolutely right. It is the General Public – God Bless US! – that you need firmly on your side.
The public have been fed a diet of negativity over the last few years but unless someone tells them how it really is they will believe what they read and see. Neither of which is reliable newspaper by nature tend to be sensationalist and ordinary people seeing three IRVs, a TSG carrier and an assortment of foot patrols etc turning up to what is actually not what the 999 call suggested results in, “Look at that 15 officers to deal with an argument!”
This is why they need to be educated, this is why I say that there needs to be an advertising campaign to influence public opinion and some positive action through SNT contacts with the local communities. Inviting local NHW groups into the station always goes down well for instance.
Now, whilst I love the flack which I concede is inevitable given that I was a Skipper and that I am now a Snake Oil Salesman Scaley Defence Brief, I am also a member of the general public and I am willing to do anything that I can to assist lawful and sensible measures to preserve an acceptable level of policing because as an MOP I know that we really would be up a certain creek without a paddle if policing was to deteriorate into a third rate system of privatised security guards which it may become if all the committed hard working (no I do not mean to be patronising) officers leave the Service.
“aren’t we better than them Buzz?”
Yes. We’ll be the most noble people in the dole queue
Lose your Crown office status and the dole queue is exactly what you’ll get.
Or theyll keep the crown officer status but amend it to allow redundancies or 5 year ‘engagements’ like Winsor is suggesting – which equals dole queue AND no industrial rights.
Work to rule will not happen. Firstly the PFEW don’t appear to want the fight and secondly there will always be some stroker who will do the OT that others “refuse” to do as they’re working to rule!!
You can’t ‘refuse’ overtime, as a general rule.
OK, in general I agree, if on shift with a prisoner with authorised OT it would be difficult to get around it. However, what I’m saying is that there are too many that will ignore any W2R action. They would not let their phones “ring and ring and ring and ring” !?!
Ah… avoiding a warning. Different.
That i concede is a very valid point.. If slightly depressing as i know it to be very true.
Thats if there is overtime! We have had cases where we have been told not to even think about getting a recall if we get a late body as it wont be authorised – and yes the fed reps are aware.
I’ve never even seen him, but a few years ago (three, four?) apparently he got off a holiday flight with 130+ other skiers, walked into the terminal and as soon as the other passengers waiting for their bags realised who it was they cheered. Would that have hapened for TBliar? The netwed Ken? I don’t think so!
whoops – that shoul dhave been “newted Ken”. But, that small crownd of the public (not just Londoners) were very much in favour of Boris
He’s a buffoon and just like all the others lives in an ivory tower.
Trying to get a first via the twitter feed was a waste as i got the tweet at 1449, hours after the post.
The policing hokey-cokey
Published in: Daily Mail Melanie Phillips
Ever since the idea of elected police commissioners first surfaced from the then Conservative opposition, I have argued that this is a seriously bad idea. Its superficial attraction derives from the undeniable fact that the police in England and Wales have largely lost the plot, often abandoning the streets to thugs and villains and thus leaving people especially in the poorest areas effectively imprisoned inside their homes too terrified to go out.
Recognising correctly that this represented an endemic breakdown of the professional ethic of policing, the Tories decided that the way to tackle it was to hand control to local people through elected police commissioners, so that through them the police would be held accountable to public wishes. This was in accordance with the party’s thinking that ‘people power’ was the way to shrink the reach of the state, revive community networks and reconstitute civil society.
Although in general I am an enthusiastic supporter of this philosophy, I always thought that it should not be applied to the police. This is because it would run the risk of placing the police under political control. Elections, after all, are an intrinsically political process – and are invariably hijacked by political or vested interests of one kind or another.
The Tories believed that the remarkable success of Mayor Giuliani in transforming New York from a lawless into a law-abiding city proved that a locally accountable politician was the way to turn policing round. But this was to miss the point by a mile. The transformation of New York was down to the professional genius of the city’s then chief police officer, Bill Bratton, whose singular talents Giuliani – to his credit – promoted and endorsed. But in many areas, the fact that America’s police forces are under the thumb of local politicians has only helped foster corruption rather than public tranquillity.
In the UK, by contrast, the independence of the police from politics has been one of the bulwarks of liberty. Much of the reason why policing has become so demoralised is precisely because it has become politicised, with the police looking over their shoulders all the time at what politicians want them to do – and getting it badly wrong as a result. Police commissioners risked merely transferring that political control from Whitehall to local level.
The Tories brushed aside this concern on the naive grounds that the police commissioners would be ‘independent’. Yet the way things are shaping up, it looks as if they will be not independent at all but merely yet another set of party hacks. Indeed, a Guardian story today revealed that the LibDem grass-roots are furious that the party is not putting up candidates for police commissioner posts – because under the electoral system to be used the LibDems are unlikely to win any of the contests – and are being told to support independent candidates instead. Party activists are calling this
‘an act of political lunacy’.
Oh dear. So much for the famous LibDem support for radical ‘pavement politics’ and people power.
The other two parties don’t even seem to be bothering to hide the politically partisan nature of these contests. An earlier Guardian piece last December revealed:
‘Labour’s national executive has asked local parties to go ahead with their selection of candidates to stand for the 41 commissioners’ jobs.
‘…The police minister, Nick Herbert, is reported to have summoned 41 backbench Mps from each area to a meeting and asked them to go and find Tory candidates willing to stand on their patch. There is even talk of the Conservatives holding primaries to find a suitable candidate but at a cost of £50,000 a go it is thought there are few local party associations willing to foot the bill.
‘…Labour are banking on the likelihood that they will win all the commissioner jobs in the north and across Wales. The Tories assume they will win those in the south of England. This leaves the few Midlands forces as the main battleground.’
But never fear, LibDems! You can have your ‘independent’ cake and find you are actually eating a tray of political patisserie! For today’s story goes on:
‘In this situation the party’s “pick and choose” approach begins to make sense as it will, for example, allow them to join an cross-party alliance with local Conservatives to back independent candidates challenging Labour in the north. Similarly in the south of England Lib Dems will be able to enter into unofficial alliances with Labour to back independents fighting Tory candidates in the south.
‘That at least is the justification being put forward by some leading Lib Dems in local government. The official party position is that policing should not be treated as a “political football” and that a strong preference for independent candidates will help depoliticise the process.’
Ha! Cynical, or what?
The police will only be re-professionalised through proper leadership – and that in turn will only be restored when politics is taken out of policing. Introducing these commissioners, as we can see, will only put even more of it straight in.
leaving people especially in the poorest areas effectively imprisoned inside their homes too terrified to go out.
what utter nonsense
I’ve come across residents – usually elderly – who live a half life like that when i worked in housing. only going out in the morning before the scary people get up, half a dozen bolts on the door etc. It is disproportionate but stems from real fear and a feeling they’ve been abandoned by the authorities.
I have to say that to blame that on the police is utterly appalling. I would like nothing more than to spend all my time on the ground dealing with the utter, utter scum that cause these problems – but there’s only 1 of me (will I get disciplined fro saying that?) – and I am probably driving to, from or queuing to get into a centralised custody suite.
Still I take it we can count on the support of Melanie in campaigning not just to prevent the Winsor/Hutton cuts – but to INCREASE the amount of money given to policing and increase the number of officers.
But I won’t hold my breath.
Same story up here…. drive your prisoner to a custody complex on the other side of the city, work out they need some medication from their home address – and after charge have to be taken home too !!!
Thats most of the shift just being a taxi and booking them in. And if you have ICIS case file preparation computer system you can whistle to going home for another few hours preparing a file for handover !!!
Still centralisation is the “way forward” apparently !
We had our whole crew (5 of us) in a custody facility 11 miles away from our nick a few weeks back when a MOP rang in to report a crim dam to MV in progress. Offence location…. Our nicks car park (where the empty cells remain).
Fortunately the two damaged cars were jacks and not privately owned but the incident has still fallen on deaf ears with our command team who told us we have “Adequate cover on nights”
Our division in Metro city consists of three victorian nicks. Each has a small custody suite of about eight cells each. It has now been announced that two of these custody suites are closing. Excess prisoners (which will be every day) will now be transported to another suite at another division at best 30mins away (on a day shift with metro traffic). When it was pointed out that this will clearly be inefficient in terms of logistics, management agreed, but stated openly that this system will be cheaper and as saving money now takes priority. Iit is being implimented in March. .
Firstly Wandsworth is not opening in March, likely after testing and alike to be after the olympics.Custody improvement want custody suites working to maximum potential , ie full!!!.The three nicks you talk about , Notting Hill, Chelsea and Kensington (mothballed) are not fit for purpose.Chelsea has no disabled facilities, is insecure and the working conditions for the staff are diabolicle .Wansdworth is state of the art and will be benificial to both the staff and detainees .Forget the financial situation and money saving schemes.Surely you must support officers working in a safer , cleaner enviroment and having better facilities to process prisoners.Bean counters have been out there at all times of the day and have calculated average travelling times to get to Wandsworth from Chelsea/ Kensington ,Add on the waiting times you normally get with a one custody sgt and the times are about the same .We have to move on
B1964, I take it your trews are shiny!
But it’s not moving on is it. Having, at any one time, numbers of relief officers tied up with bodies at a nick way off borough is madness.You sound like a yes man to me who clearly has not been out the station for a while.
LOL !!!!!
Well it is an article from the Daily Mail. Anything in that comic is either utter nonsense or just shit.
I fear we are headed down the American route with little thought being given by the political class as to how it will all end. Anyone who thinks we will get a UK version of an American Sheriff is in for a rude awakening, all we will get is another party hack or ‘Special Adviser’ parachuted in as a reward for services rendered. Have a read of the ‘Second City Cop’ blog, which deals with matters in Chicago, you will see how favoured children are promoted and strings pulled to ensure preferential treatment for those who are ‘in’ with the elected representatives. I suspect this goes on in the UK but not to the extent it does in the USA. I rarely agree with Ms Phillips but she is right on this point.
Look forward to more political meddling, operational interference and corruption.
Hark The Daily Mail, castigating political interference with the police. After all their hysterical police-bashing, helping to ease through government cuts (sorry, ‘reforms’).
Double standards doesn’t even begin to describe it.
Excellent point…
The Daily Wail have been slyly pushing all sorts of anti-cop spin for the Government over the years – like the 4hrs at double we apparently got for answering the phone on a rest day (yeah right !).
She ignores the fact that in New York thousands more Police Officers were recruited and their budget increased to counter crime rates.
Tl;dr
You can’t take politics out of policing anymore than you can take flour out of a loaf of bread.
But, you can make the point that whilst policing is too important to be left to the Police alone, that provided that they are operating within the law and taking note of what local people think, then let them get on with it and stop interfering!!
No its worth more !s – !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s great isn’t it….
We are (rightly don’t get me wrong) – told to take note of what local people think by the Politicians, and act on it and use this to formulate our policing priorities.
Both major political parties promise the same people a referendum on EU intergration , in one case a “cast iron” guarantee – and then reneged on it.
Gluten free , rice , etc the less we have the mindset that nothing can be changed the more people are steamrolled
Everything can be changed nothing is impossible
My new job has a lot of people working unsocial hours and doing tasks that require accuracy and integrity.
It is a profession with a high level of trust.
On my first day I was told “no bullying, no foul language…but apart from that most things are ok. We like a bit of banter, it keeps things flowing”.
The sixty or so men and women on the “floor” have a good chat and the banter is indeed a way of keeping things flowing and next to a decent brew is something of a lifesaver. I have llaughed out loud many times at some of the comments and they keep spirits up when energy is ebbing.
One of the managers knows I’m ex Job and asked me if people get on like this in the police.
I enlightened him with the “if anyone present is offended, not just the person the comment was directed at” rule.
He stared at me in disbelief.
I then opened his eyes to the “if someone complains and someone else doesn’t, then the one that didn’t is in trouble too” rule.
He looked at me with his jaw on the floor and went “that is STUPID!!”
The price of “looking good” has cost the police the very thing that kept it thriving and making it (to quote Gene Hunt) “un-bloody breakable”.
By turning squads against each other and forcing officers to become grasses there is precious little “banter” left.
Gadget can I thank you for the prompt delivery of my new rapist and murderers cup from the gadget shop, it went down a storm at my qpr this week, even the usually morose dci had a sly snicker at it.
Still waiting for your Restorative Justice opus…..
Another group of notorious lefties take up arms against oppression:-
BMA threatens industrial action after rejecting pension reforms
Trade union for 130,000 doctors and medical students says eight out of 10 respondents to survey rejected government proposals
To the barricades…
I’d like to see the army cover THAT strike…!
On pure quality of Medical staff, they could. Easily.
Very likely they could, but to be fair they are a bit busy at the moment.
And apparently the defence cuts aren’t affecting operational capacity…
Now where have we heard that before :0
Heres another one for you – less than a year after changing shift patterns in MetroCity to variable ones – the ones that would often leave three IRVs patrolling a Borough from the approx hours of 3am to 7am (at a cost of how much is anyones guess) It seems most Boroughs have or are in the process of abandoning it and going back to fixed shift patterns… May i congratulate those in Territorial Policing who thought up the variable shift pattern bollocks for causing needless havoc. Well done you did a great job (and got promotions no doubt) Idiots.
I believe the gentleman with the shift pattern computer program is now actively seeking opportunities in the private sector?
you mean Mcpherson, who brought that accursed thing with him from Norfolk, but has now thankfully retired?
yes we have got rid of it. now we are trying to tweak it to reduce the number of times a year we have to work 7 days on the trot.
we occasionally have to endure 7 shifts on the trot … although this additional shift is supposed to be a ‘training day’ …….. thing is most of them fall on a Saturday …… no training team working then, naturally … so we just get dicked to cover response jobs with the shift already on ….. VSA compliant ?? No but who cares? No-one …. especially not the Fed who stood by and did f*ck all ….
Occaisonally have to endure 7 shifts on the trot…bless your little maroon socks…good job you didn’t end up policing where most of your ex mob pals still reside…that’s the normal shift pattern here! Lol.
(Not a personal dig mate, but no one believes us when we explain the 7on 2 off nightmare that is our lot…)
Essex by any chance?!
I’ve a few chums that do that shift pattern in The Land of White Stilettos, absolutely horrendous
7 on 2 off ?! is this a wah? I am seriously having this…. that my friend is an utter shi*e shift system … I feel embarrased even moaning about mine now!
How long have you been doing that gash?!
Could it be? First!
so close!
Melanie Phillips blog post today on elected police commissioners – worth an endorsement IG?
Bugger … should have read to the end of the posts before jumping in
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-16613139
Sorry Special Dibble…
this is just the beginning. C3POs are going to get the chop too over the next few years when Councils, the Home Office and Police Authorities argue the toss over who is paying for what, and when their “ring fenced” budgets are up for renewal.
When cop and civilian numbers are being cut right left and centre, no-one is going to ring fence blunketts babies for protection forever…
I don’t want anyone to lose their job, except perhaps for some sponging criminal politicians and bankers, but they won’t be exempt and I fear the worse
It’s interesting that you meantion that:
Lancs are taking on about 50 on 2-year contracts.
But closing stations and front counters…
Read this article in “Police” magazine by Paul McKeever. It states that 90% of the £338 million PCC grant will go towards PCSOs.
http://www.polfed.org/View_From_the_Chair_0112.pdf
no PCSOs ,crime may go up
because they made it go down, how?
I think we should keep the best as regular officers and sack the rest. Spend the money on the regs instead-specifically response
The reason many forces are taking on PCSOs on contracts is that 75% of their funding is ring fenced. if the money is not spent it is lost, so that is why more are being employed, every force has an under spend.
Every Force has a PCSO at 25% of total cost. Where else in the world can you get someone for that price. No CC will say anything against them or they might lose their funding. So it is an unfair state of affairs and no one knows if they are value for money because they can’t be taken in isolation from all the other factors. A PCSO who states they are the sole reason for a reduction in crime doesn’t have a clue or an understanding of the system.
The government should have removed the ring fenced money and allowed all CC’s to decide in the required numbers. I joined my force with a ratio of 70/30 officers to civilian staff, it is now 50/50 with it going to 45/55 within the next couple of years. So if there is a riot in the future there will only be 45% of officers to call on and 3/5ths will be on leave at any one time.
it is not rocket science to work out that a police constable is value for money.
Take heart
THIS IS A GOOD DEVELOPMENT
The PCCs are designed to attack the cartel of ACPO and loosen their corrupt grip on Policing
sure there will be some mistakes but be of stout heart!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-16618275
Remember the disgruntled GMP garver? Fair play to him for getting a bit of media attention with his letter to Fahy.
Perhaps he needs a tour of GMP HQ and their motivational artwork?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-15420615
“They represent the history of GMP, capture values that our staff and officers hold dear and are designed to motivate” ………
What a big steaming pile of utter Fu**ing horse sh*t! No doubt spewed forth by some Fahy drone of a sycophant ….
Are those art works available to be viewed by the public? All being well I will be attending a business meeting in the Manchester area next month and I could make a slight detour to view. How will they compare to the fine statue of Peel that is on display in Bury? Do the GMP ACPO rankers know that Sir Robert was an art collector? The National gallery in London bought a large number of artwork from his estate.
Here be one;
http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/meindert-hobbema-the-avenue-at-middelharnis
I’m amazed Fahy didn’t say ‘frontline services will not be affected’
Its all starting to unravel now isn’t it!
Hope the Olympics Are a disaster!
Well if the Metrocity shift pattern is anything to go by, they will be! Just having to read that atrocity is a human rights violation in itself! I can see huge amounts of genuine sickness in August because officers will be too tired to come in after having one day off in 15, or working 14 on, 1 off, 6 on. How people are expected to be safe to drive or make decisions at jobs I don’t know.
One day off in 15 really isn’t that bad and definitely not unheard of in the private sector.
14-1-6 a pattern like that can only be down to seriously poor management, and should be challenged.
Really isn’t that bad?
You’ll be aware that the generally accepted rule is 2 off in 7, so 4 off in 14?
If you want to work an average 9-5 job. I’ve worked in a few mines and it gets far worse than 14-1.
At least in the mines you get to play with dynamite. An old mate who was a bit of a lunatic used to keep some under his bed!
FFS
Maybe, but its not very common is it?
That’s it though chum-policing isn’t 9-5 is it? It’s a body clock messing slag nicking high speed driving evidence writing high potential for fck-up job losing nightmare when you’re sleep deprived and on your 15th day.
I do hope that officers aren’t pressured to drive when exhausted (it had been known).
Add a firearm into that and I really feel for any ARV or Prot crew that pulls a trigger
I often read comments on this board from Officers decrying the sense of entitlement of members of the public. It seems that this must be a generational development, as the cries from some Officers regarding duties associated with the Olympics are equally pathetic. One day off in fifteen was not unusual some years ago if a special event was to be policed. I suspect that exposure to earlier conditions of “normal” service and the world outside the Force (or Services) is long overdue for some Officers.
Yes and we don’t put children down mines any more either.
21st century not 18th – grow up.
Hyperbole usually indicates an inability to argue a point!
You are now competing in a globalised labour market. Accept that or change it. Either way, don`t be so precious!
All well and good saying that, but everywhere I’ve worked which has involved long hours doesn’t have any degree of criticality if an incorrect decision is made. Coppers are making meaty decisions on a daily basis (some of a life or death nature) and you can’t tell me that if you’re dead to the world physically you’re going to not make mistakes?
Also, if coppers really were competing in a “globalised labour market” they could command way more than they currently get. Indeed, I know of a fair few coppers who are considering jacking it in because they know they could earn more in other industries.
‘globalised labour market’: are you proposing outsourcing to Thailand, or importing East Europeans to do the work?
No I am not in favour of outsourcing to Thailand actually but unfortunately for you, many other employers are and therein lies the problem. The workforce here that is then made unemployed by outsourcing, will compete with you for the fewer jobs, thereby driving your wages and those of other employees down. The market is a hirer`s one and until Officers (and most of the sheeple in this country) see how they have been hoodwinked and change the system, servitude is on the horizon. No amount of pretending otherwise will make it otherwise. You compete against globalisation of labour, but then most in this country are more interested in Sport or Soap Operas.
Is your surname Paddick…?
Ex CC Tim Brain when running Gloucestershire pOLICE made even worse bullsh*t claims …. he told Teresa May that he would IMPROVE frontline services with the cuts! ….. a total fister of the highest order … the boys in blue in that force are well and truely rid of him ….. Saw him on the TV a few days back waffling on about something or other …. now it’s Dr Brain … don’t you know ….. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the medical profession ‘concur’ with me when I say he is indeed a weapons grade plutonium belching throbber …..
Weapons grade plutonium belching throbber….classic ML. Good to see you back on form and MFG it’s going to be a long fcking year. Those massaged stats are coming home to roost.
Man I am surprised!
Not all doctors study medicine. Anyone who has completed a PhD can use the title.
‘Dr’ Tim Brain’s doctorate is in the history of some inconsequential nonsense. As a medical doctor he would have the same impact that he had as a CC. Gloucestershire rocked with the cheers of his workforce when he retired.
The police are not politically controlled.
That’s why their control has been handed from a panle of politicians to one politician.
Durrr…..
As an aisde, the bosses in GMP changed the shift pattern so that each Response Officer could have “essential” training. This took place in October 2010. This meant that we lost 1 rest day every 5 weeks.
About 5 months later they ran out of “essential” training packeages, meaning that Inspectors had to make things up and “train” officers in it?
They put together an “essential” package for a while. You know the kind of thing….. guest speakers talking about tings you do not need to know about. But, guess what? Suddenly we’re back to Response Inspectors making it up as they go along again. Less than 18 months after this “essential” training was brought in.
WHAT A WASTE OF PUBLIC MONEY!”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9022739/Police-officer-faces-disciplinary-action-for-tweeting.html
Meanwhile Abbot will not face poise action for racist comments.
One thing you be sure of, if there were TWENTY officers policing that patch the SMT would be screaming from the rooftops and holding press conferences to highlight how well the stations were manned.
#isupportnickmanning
Police. Police action, not poise!
You mention the word “brainstorming”. Having epilepsy, I consider the banning of this word to be extremely insulting. It presumes that I cannot tell what context the word is being used in and it also assumes that I feel the need for protection from the users of business buzz words.
It also assumes that being female, “ethnic” etc is the same as having a medical condition. I take pills for mine. What medication do they think someone takes for having grandparents from a different part of the world?
Most annoyingly, they think I have no sense of humour.
Amazing.
An MP can post a blatantly racist statement on Twitter, and face no formal redress.
Yet a PC posts his concerns about resource levels and is stuck on, despite this being fact and not racist opinion.
Fed rep too.
Let’s hope National Fed start getting involved, and start asking some searching questions, for I, personally, am starting to grow sick of being persecuted and penalised just because I gave up a good job to wear blue and try and stop this country slipping into the fucking apocalypse that is coming.
And coming it is.
I Thought the Fed were abouit “Welfare and Efficiency”. The Dorset PCs concerns cover both. High time the Fed Cavalry showed up.
Meanwhile:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088330/Thugs-Daniel-Chrapkowski-Thomas-Lane-celebrate-wildly-outside-court-escaping-jail.html
“because I gave up a good job to wear blue and try and stop this country slipping into the fucking apocalypse that is coming”
Are you some sort of modern day super hero?
As you well know , national federation are not going to go public on this matter ( and why should they they , they have more important issues atm) .This officer is subject to investigation and is protected by the misconduct proceedure , so no one should be adversely trying to influence the investigation .There is an uneasy trend slipping in that just because senior acpo ranked officers tweet away merrily in the comfort of their chauffeur driven cars , that rank and file officers can do the same ..Far from it .Spreading dissaffection is a criminal offence, so is encouraging others to strike .Senior management may see comments on this site and perceive that they are the above..Be careful before you post behind a psuedonym
‘Spreading disaffection is a criminal offence’
I policed a town of 70,000 with 1 X APS and 3 PC’s the other night while the keyboard rattlers slept.
Now THAT should be a criminal offence.
What he said.
From us lot our here can I thank you for doing so.
Maybe you can tell us what the difference is between spreading disaffection and telling the public the reality of what police work is like and why the politicians and SMT are wrong, because I can’t see it myself.
Bugger me, bish old son, if the public aren’t disaffected by the amputation of 16,000 coppers from the roster then a PC trilling away to three men and an e-dog is hardly going to have them clamoring for action is it?
Prison is no deterrent, it’s just a holiday camp/university of crime, which is why these characters are sad not to be going:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088330/Thugs-Daniel-Chrapkowski-Thomas-Lane-celebrate-wildly-outside-court-escaping-jail.html
New post link does not work “404 page not found”
Yes, I was told twice on Windows Live Mail that “it’s all going horribly wrong!!” at 9.51 and 9.55.am…but no joy.
Yup all gone horribly wrong
First just in case!