There are four reasons why people turn violent and difficult during a stop-check:
1. They are ‘wanted’ and they are trying to create a disturbance to cover this fact.
2. They have something on them they shouldn’t have (drugs, weapons, stolen property).
3. They have an over exaggerated sense of entitlement and an under-developed knowledge of 1. and 2. above.
4. They are mad.
I wish we had more training for number 4 (mental health) instead of all the training being for number 3 (diversity).
Alastair Gregson, 18 (20/7/92) of Whitefield Avenue, Purley probably fitted into all four categories when he was stop-checked by Pc Nigel Albuery in Bute Road, Croydon, on Thursday night. As we know, Gregson allegedly stabbed Albuery and ran off, chased by the PC who was unaware of his injuries at the time thanks to our old friend adrenaline.
Gregson appears in custody Croydon Magistrates’ Court on Saturday, 21 May charged with:
1 x Section 18 GBH with intent against PC Nigel Albuery on Thursday, 19 May
1 x Section 18 GBH with intent against an 18-year-old woman on Saturday, 14 May
1 x possession of an offensive weapon (a slab of concrete) on Saturday, 14 May
1 x intimidation of a witness on Saturday, 14 May
Please do not be distracted by any nonsense about whether the officer was wearing a stabvest. Pc Henry, 36, was stabbed twice in the chest as he tried to arrest a suspect with mental health issues in Luton on 11 June 2007. PC Henry died of those injuries despite the fact that he was wearing a police issue stabvest at the time.
Credit should be given to Gregson’s two mates who decided to join the brown-trouser division of the Croydon youth team and stay where they were until further patrols arrived. They were nicked (it would have been rude not to) and later released without charge. Nigel Albuery’s colleague probably felt like she was in a slow-mo black & white movie for a minute there!
In USA, stabbing a police officer would get you the following:
1. Shot by him or his colleague
2. 10 to 15 in a State Pen with Bubba or Leroy, dependent upon your ethnicity (See Louis Threroux’s current documentary)
AND the public over there support those things.
This incident is yet more reinforcement for the old Gadget mantras; arm us, start giving decent sentences (which they have to serve) and don’t cut our pay and pensions. None of those things will happen until ministers, judges/magistrates and rail-regulators themselves start getting stabbed.
For jumping up and legging it after the guy, despite being stabbed four times, and despite being unarmed, PC Nigel Albuery is the Inspector Gadget Over-paid, Gold-Plated-Pensioned Public Sector Worker of the Month!
A well deserved award. Front line Cop, literally at the sharp end. Teresa May take note.
Well done for not shouting “first” on a topic such as this.
FIRST! FIRST! FIRST! FIRST! FIRST! FIRST! FIRST! FIRST! FIRST! FIRST! FIRST! FIRST! FIRST!
And dripping with erudition, too.
I’m glad you approve. I must say however, that on balance, having considered all the factors inherent in your comment, you may, sir, kiss my furry swingers.
Erudite enough for you sunshine?
@PC LIGHTYEAR – LMFAO!
“kiss my furry swingers”
*chortle*
You fella’s do a fantastic job. As an ambulance bloke who has to hide round a corner whilst you guys go in guns blazing to some one who may have a weapon I have the greatest of respect for you. Thank you from the whole of public decency (OK i know public decency seems to be a little thin on the ground recently, but it is there). A huge thank you for what you do.
PC Albuery WE SALUTE YOU!
appreciated.
Second!
What do you reckon IG?- he’ll be out by Xmas? Maybe at a push next summer?
Or will a self ennobling show-off lawyer attack the officer in court an suggest that PC Albuery brought it on himself (lack of sensitivity to te community impact of a stop n search etc)?
That may well come from within
Case of Alister Gregson………The facts of Saturday night offending an 18 ears old girl to are incorrect. Ex girlfriend with the brother and another boy intimidated the 18 ears old boy accused…….And she is not a saint.
In English please.
well, so long as this girl with 18 ears is not a saint and her brother and another boy intimidated lickwl ‘Alister’, then of course there can have been no GBH with intent by him and as a result, he is clearly innocent of these most recent allegations.
you are a genius.
18 ears ? Where was she born ? Chernobyl ?
close… croydon
Every one are to fast to judge with out really know facts. I so haw policeman approach treat or speak to an offender with no sensitivity especially when they are young kids, Intimidating them. There is no understanding watt exactly goes true a mind of an 18 ears old by doing that…Wass he drunk scared or els. Only i know that the 18 ears old is not a killer made a huge mistake by choosing the wrong people to hang out and now he will pay for the rest of is life..in or out of prison. For such a case compassion should be tought and not hate. My tough do go to PC Albuery and the family and fool recovery.
IF Gregson is guilty, then he himself is to blame for his own actions. We can’t use the blame game here (blaming the company he kept). Lessons need to learnt and the difference between right or wrong needs to be re-enforced If, in that case it means a lengthy prison sentence, then so be it. I was 18 once, and I made mistakes, but stabbing a police officer, or ANYONE, for that matter was not one of them.
Yes a lesson needs to be in place,and yes he only as to be blamed. But not all those horrible things they are saying…life sentence etc. All i am saying he is not a Killer , do not jug him with out knowing him . This incident went around the world and all is dear friends and family are shook because he is truly a good boy. Something happened and unfortunately the parents respectebooll good people been separated did not pick up is problem, unfortunately for a lot of parents. I am a Catholic person and believe in forgiveness. I feel for the PC and as i mention i really hope he goes back to a normal life, no one should be going true watt is family is.
“All i am saying he is not a Killer , do not jug him with out knowing him”
Screw him! I don’t need to know him to know that you don’t stab a policeman! End of.
And the only reason he is not a killer is luck, pure and simple. When you stick a knife in someone you know they could well die.
Whatever he gets convicted of is irrelevant, this was attempted murder.
Annalisa – you’re right. He’s not a killer.
He’s an attempted killer.
Annalisa
He’s not a good boy. He’s a violent scumbag who is going to jail. Don’t make excuses for him. If you were a real friend you wouldn’t have let him get to where he is now.
taking a knife out with you and stabbing a police officer when you are about to be searched is not a ‘mistake’, as you so nonchalantly put it. it is criminal, murderous and despicable.
the public can not be protected from this ‘truly good boy’ (again, your words) by your catholic forgiveness. Only a life sentence can do that.
try looking at what gregson is from the viewpoint of PC Albuery or any of his other victims, rather from the that of your imaginary friend and a few jolly hymns.
1) please write in English, your post hurts my eyes
2) if he’s guilty, he deserves no compassion for stabbing anyone
Please write in German i am not English. This is not an English lesson.
Ok – nein, aber das ist eine Website Englisch. Der Polizist hatte das Glück, nicht zu sterben. dieser kriminellen sollte im Gefängnis, bis er stirbt.
Oh, and if you’re German surely you know full well what would’ve happened to this criminal if he’d rushed a policeman in Germany with a knife?
He’d be playing the worlds longest game of ‘planking’ in the morgue of the local Krankenhaus.
Thank you for your Kindness……you sound a very violent person.. with a lot of hanger and vulgar. I believe you need help to.
No matey, I’m just a realist.
Run at anyone with a knife and you get what’s coming to you.
It’s called self defence
Zehr gut geschrieben PC Ligtyear.
Til he dies was a tad harsh methinks!
Longest game of planking in the morgue……going to hav to remember that one.
Really? Not harsh as I believe a life sentence- as is apt for attempted murder- should mean life.
52 years based on life span of three score and ten bullocks.
Wow! That really will send out a message.
Good God. This is like watching a fat kid shouting at a toddler while hiding behind his mates.
What do you do for an encore… call her a Kraut?
sorry, but don’t come to a police blog (particularly to a post about a police officer getting stabbed multiple times) and make excuses and ask forgiveness for the ‘truly good boy’ who had made a ‘mistake’, if you don’t want to hear our honest responses.
Rob says:
May 23, 2011 at 2:37 pm
“Good God. This is like watching a fat kid shouting at a toddler while hiding behind his mates.
What do you do for an encore… call her a Kraut?”
With that being racist and being of German heritage myself, no, I won’t.
I will tell you to f*ck off back under your bridge though Troll
As I’ve quoted before:
“Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society’s understanding.”
Your allowing nasty people to turn youh kindness to weakness. Well done for enabling him to carry out his crimes safe in the knowledge there are people out there like YOU that will blame the VICTIM. Millions of people interact with police every year and don’t feel the need to stab them. Rather than him being scared is it not more likely he’s evil?
Quality post
Annalisa,
You wrote; “My tough do go to PC Albuery and the family and fool recovery.”
Is this some kind of ‘Allo ‘Allo English?
Here is my message to you in Deutsch.
Beleidigen Sie bitte die Intelligenz der Leser dieses blog mit Ihren kindischen und purile Versetzungen nicht. Ihre Zeit würde besser verbracht, etwas Gartenarbeit für eine ältliche Person tuend.
Hören Sie auf, ein Verteidiger für die Verbrecher in unserer Gesellschaft zu sein.
Ich tue sehr gut.
Ha! Immer noch sehr gut.
Spot on Agent ZZ loved the gardening reference.
Danke. Ich wusste nicht, dass so viele von euch Deutsch sprach.
For him not to be a killer, he needs to not have killed anyone, nuff said!
please do some research as to what the word ‘attempted’ means KD.
nuff said (innit)!!
1st! for first time poster!!!
Damn close though
Not quite, had a couple before but I’m not a regular.
First?
Well done
23rd!!!!!!!!! Stupid juvenile game!
24th.
25th.
First
Man that’s the spirit.
FIRST to point out that Brontosaurus can’t count….
(Clearly why he does not like the game…)
Can I claim a prize?
You can get the prize if you 1st old Brontosaurus above you!
8th and great post. Decent sentences and proper kit.
Speedy recovery PC Albuery.
Does he gat paid too much Ms May? Line up all the injured and dead officers family and friends to ask the same question. See if any of them get an answer.
Get well soon
Top 10. Speedy recovery to the stabbed officer
Top ten – get in.
Wonder if this is a particularly bad time or whether these are being reported/noticed a bit more?
TOP ten Yeah!!
Bugger! 14th, still good, get well soon Nigel
Fifteenth! Okay, that’s a bit sad ….
I wish the officer a speedy recovery.
Top cop there, its a shame such bravery is not matched with trust from our peers.
Well done. Excellent job.Hope you get well soon Nigel.
Get well soon. like to see ken Clarke run let alone when stabbed. be more “police bravery” sound bites whilst still stealing our pay
All too familiar a story these days. My wishes are for a speedy recovery of the officer and a lengthy sentence for the offender. Though I doubt the latter will occur.
Definitely GOOD ENOUGH Nigel. And then some.
.
You are nails!
Speedy recovery to you.
I speak from experience having been a victim of knife crime. Stanley knife, lots of stitches. PC Nigel Albuery may or may not be an outstanding cop. I don’t know. Not knowing him personally I maybe shouldn’t say. However, what is without question is that he embodies all that a front line cop is about. Out there on the street face to face with the NEDS.
Teresa May take note. Her shocking knee jerk treatment of Pete Boatman’s company and way it made him personally feel was disgraceful. Fast forward a few moths to when Charles and Camilla get a fright driving through london and guess what. Tazers are on the way. Terms and conditions being eroded, PCSO’s, Specials, DOT “Traffic Officers” they are all the not so thin end of the wedge. I think the public want to see Cops, because that means accountability, and usually action. Senior officers decide on deployment, and front line cops face the consequences, complaints, suspension etc.
It will be interesting to see now how the post mortem of PC Nigel Albuery’s actions unfold. How his actions may be seen to inflame the situation, how he may have intimidated the scrote who stabbed him and all the rest of the Bull that will follow. Did he have stab vest on as per instruction and will he get papers for not having it on, hat, eppaulettes, I can hear the faint squish of rubber heals proclaiming “but it’s about perception”
In my farce the trench dodgers would be up in arms over not wearing the armour , and woe be tide him if he did not have a hat on !
Speedy recovery from all of us in the rough end of the trench !!
@Jim – I think that even the most efficient (oxy-moron) member of SMT would have difficulty in bringing home a Disciplinary against someone who failed to wear their epaulettes whilst in plain-clothes?
@Mjolinir – Even as a MOP, I’d be willing to bet that that wouldn’t stop them trying.
To post again
GBH! GBH! GBH! GBH!
Now my head is really going to explode. WTF
Why isn’t he charged with attempted murder?
Good question Stocking. Lets have answers on a postage stamp.
Deal.
S.20
Fck
Off.
There thats about a stamp size.
because its easier, and a scum protecting lawyer would use our pathetic injustice system to get him off scot free
Because the CPS have no guts, balls, kahones, gumption and frankly as long as a conviction of some sort is secured they could not give a toss. A bit like the government really……and perhaps another knife crime murder/attempt murder may look bad on the borough in questions figures….sorry got my cynical flakes in front of me this morning
Gringo…… Beautifully written. Speedy recovery to our injured colleague.
To the spineless, gutless and heartless Miss May…. The war has just begun with many battles to follow!!!
Because the poor little chap ‘only intended to scratch’!
But I bet if any armed officer took him out, they would be criticised for shooting to kill opposed to shoot to stop.
IG. How about a FOI request into the CPS how such a blatant miscarriage was decided?
Tried that before, they’ll refuse as it relates to a criminal investigation which is one of the exemptions.
Thank god, I thought no-one was going to ask that question! It was the first thing I thought when reading the post.
Second thi g was ‘Is Croydon twinned with one of the circles of Hell?’
Same reason hardly anyone gets charged with attempt murder, you have to prove a clear intention to kill not just to seriously injure so there’s a high chance the scrote will walk free at court because you can’t raise sufficient proof about his intention to kill.
Painful less for a colleague of mine a few years ago when he was smashed around the head repeatedly with a spade and left for dead.
Charged with attempted murder but at court insufficient evidence to prove he intended to kill. CPS drop it to an 18 and he pleaded.
Easier to prove a s.18 than an attempt murder and the same sentence in any case.
Sad but true.
From Wiki: “The mens rea for murder includes an intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm where there is a high probability of death resulting, whereas attempted murder depends on an intention to kill, and an overt act towards the homicide.”
Hence some tossmonger defence lawyer will talk it down to s18 GBH anyway. Might as well charge with GBH w/i and press for a heavier sentence (which he won’t get- that’s a massive problem)
Alternatively CPS could charge attempted murder as a message to these shits and accept a S18 plea anyway
The law has to be changed to reflect that if anyone uses a weapon of any sort against a a public sector worker then they will be charged with attempted murder. Go directly to jail for ten years min and do not collect £200. Hard swift justice as an example to others.
‘Against any public sector worker’..? Why?
It should be against ANYONE, not just some group deeming itself special because the taxpayer supports it… :/
OK Julia. Try phoning the social services, 24 hour number at three in the morning as there is a male sexually aroused intruder in your house and see how you get on. Or maybe you would rather phone someone you deem as special to deal with the problem in a robust manner.
Julia
When you get stabbed at work multiple times or someone attempts to cave your head in with a spade while you are trying to do your job then I am quite happy to add your proffession to this “special” group.
Regards
Reacher
That attitude pisses me off. If a your attacked by a guy with a knife you can call the police. The police don’t get to call anyone. I don’t ask for much but a decent sentence to the who attack the protectors would be nice. I don’t think I’m special but the role of the police is and I’m lucky enough to hold it.
Though I do agree that there should be decent sentencing for ALL.
Because is not a murderer. Think before speak.
Hence the word ‘Attempted’.
Think before speak.
Community order and a bind over for 12 months… naughty boy, dont do it again….
I still think we are overpaid for what we do, I mean 35k for getting stabbed, its a bit much isnt it….
That would be too serious. You’re not the G”Gringo” from west Mids off to sunnier climes soon are you?
Nope, Im the Manc Gringo from oop North;-) sunnier climes,my normal palour is pale blue
Watt you all do is grate and and very important to all of us, a very difficult job, but do not treat all ca sees the same, they are not.
Sure, he probably had perfectly fine reasons for trying to kill a policeman. Probably traumatised as a youth or something.
how would you like us to treat a case where someone takes a knife out with him, and when he encounters a police officer he takes out the knife and stabs him numerous times, causing massive organ damage, before fleeing and leaving his victim?
are you saying that instead of gregson being charged with GBH with intent, we really should be charging him with attempt murder?
and are you saying that the police should be better protected against such criminals, perhaps by being routinely armed so that they can stop knife-wielding thugs in their tracks?
and are you saying that instead of whatever pathetically lenient sentence he gets, he should be sentenced to life as a result of his actions?
fair points, ‘a friend’, you truly are ‘a friend’.
Arguably, at least Gregson was honest with his intent – whereas May and the SMT will pat you on the bacwhilst to check where they’re going to stab you!
P.S. That be ruralspeak!
Speedy recovery Nigel!
Lets at least have a few more taser trained officers – might have been just enough of a deterant in this case.
‘a deterrent in this case’
In USA, stabbing a police officer would get you the following:
1. Shot by him or his colleague
2. 10 to 15 in a State Pen with Bubba or Leroy, dependent upon your ethnicity (See Louis Threroux’s current documentary)
AND the public over there support those things.
“AND the public over there support those things.”
Maybe because they get to carry them – and use them in self-defence – too?
That is a bit of a misconception. There are many areas of the US that do not allow you to routinely carry a weapon for self-defence, although having one in your house for that purpose is generally allowed.
My state of New Jersey has fairly strict gun-control yet is home to Camden city – the “second most violent” city in the country. I live 15 minutes away from there and have never felt the need to have a gun on me.
BUT everywhere takes the assault of an officer seriously:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/20110519_Camden_man_gets_8_years_for_assaulting_deputies.html
and this do#$@bag will serve at least 3/4 of his sentence – THAT is universal over here!
Everyone knows if you take on a cop you’ll go to jail – charge them with a knife and it’s two .40 cal to the chest! (…and the officer will have the FULL backing of his command staff)
Here, senior officers, with the very odd exception, would be removing their uniform tunics and caps and mingling with the crowd. Full backing, not possible with no back bone.
Is that 10 to 15 meaning “you will serve a sentence of betwee 10 and 15 years” or 10 to 15 on the Clarke scale meaning 2.5 to 3.75 years?
Did you ever so haw the approach you in America when stopped. And haw many they kill are innocent with no weapon.
i’ve tried rearranging your words in order to structure a legible sentence out of it, but i’m afraid that i failed.
try again but this time type it into google, and see if it gives you any suggestions as to what you might actually be trying to say…
just a friendly suggestion
Do you get all your information from TV shows?
Whilst I think that Taser is a step in the right direction, there’s only one tool that should be used against a knife wielding assailant, a gun.
Taser should be a secondary option.
No, no, no. A gun would be disproportionate and deny the criminal a sporting chance of stabbing the officer trying to arrest him.
Seagull i concurr. Its amazing how quickly a scumbag will change his mind and drop a knife shit his pants and follow barked instructions when
He has a loaded mp5 aimed point blank at his face. ALL police need armed now.
Most officers on the frontline are far too young in service to have made anywhere near 35K yet….and now what with pay freezes etc that kind of money is a long way off. Seeing as we’re single crewed most of the time as well things like this make me seriously think twice about stop checking anyone. I’m not scared – I just have a healthy desire to live.
Speedy recovery PC Albuery.
What you said. Im not scared about stopping people but am scared that I could be killed and leave my husband without a wife and a child without a mother.
Oh, and for the offender to have basically f*ck all to happen to them!!
‘Oh, and for the offender to have basically f*ck all to happen to them!!’
For me, this is the central issue in this country today.
The Magistrates and Judges have effectively destroyed this nation by removing consequences for the feral and dangerous.
Conned by the wearing of an ill-fitting suit borrowed for the occasion, and listening to the fairy-story mitigation spun by snake-oil salesmen defence briefs.
And they are supposed to be well educated!
The fuckwit who did this probably has an unpunished criminal history longer than a Chinese phonebook!
Guv, round our way they don’t even bother with the suit, or even a clean tracksuit……..
I was just going to say that. They dispensed with the illusion of a suit many years ago and most even wear their cap into court.
I always laugh when kids turn up at hearings in a school uniform despite the fact they’ve not actually been for several years….
“Oh, and for the offender to have basically f*ck all to happen to them!!”
I was recently a victim of a buglary. Mrs Portsmouth J & I didnt know anything about it until we were woken by armed officers, who within miniutes had caught the offenders (all 4 of them). There is something strangely reassuring about seeing armed officers.
Apparantly, after talking to the officers a few days later, one of the 4 admitted the only reason he stopped running is when he reailised the officer chasing him had a firearm.
Now I know we were lucky those officers happened to be driving past as the call was made, but if a holstered gun can have that effect, it makes sense to issue more officers with them!
It really is a no brainer!!
“There is something strangely reassuring about seeing armed officers.”
Nonsense. As you should know perfectly well, the presence of armed officers is highly intimidating, and makes police officers totally unapproachable, and insufficiently engaged with the community.
Fact.
This in response to dr.
So this must be true in all jurisdictions where cops are routinely armed?
Knob
Anon – check your irony detectors mate.
@Anon – Wahhhhhhhhhh!
Aaw don’t tease him.
Bull Dr., in my city , glocks galore, they very helpfull too
By Christ!
Dungbeetle is back!
Can we say chinese boss ?
While ‘Dr’ has a point, It would be varying degrees of what he said.
I’d love a study/Poll to be made about this.
Anyone fancy giving Ashcroft a bell and asking for one on the publics perception on armed police and what their perception on ‘reality’ is.
Then maybe it’ll be a forum for the police to make a case.
more options, better training and more ARVs before we go down this route please.
You guys work under impossible conditions when many of you don’t really have to.
That situation with the nutter wielding the machete and cops having to faff around defending with a bin?
Anyone sane would take one look, and then no matter what the pay, simply walk off because the entire thing is too crazy to even begin to start fixing it.
There is nothing level in your ‘house of fun’ anymore, not one piece or corner of sanity is left in your profession.(Name me just one thing that still functions normally?)
Being stiffed of the pay and robbed of pensions that are peanuts for your position as ‘public stuntman’ really is the minor issue here — what on earth keeps you doing this to yourself? At what point will you finally say: no, I’m not facing down that mob barehanded and practically nekkid when I’ll end up sued/crippled/sacked if things go ‘wrong’?
Next time there is a nutter with a machete to be subdued, fetch the local MP, give him your toy kit to wear and wield and then make him demonstrate how it’s done humanely, and don’t forget to entertain us all with a close up Youtube video.
what on earth keeps you doing this to yourself?
unemployment statistics
Well, given that the after tax (and expenses) pay difference between dole claimant and working person is that the loafer is better off, I think you need to redo the calculation. Chances are that you’re actually paying to work in the long run…
Besides that, most cops are very capable guys who would do well in anything they put their mind and talent to, the reason for the vast unemployment out there are not only there not being jobs but more often than not, there is no-one capable of filling them.
But that aside, as an example, unruly schools that mistreat their teachers only function because said teachers are dutiful enough to turn up for their daily abuse each day and don’t quit when their colleagues are victimised. It’s heroic in a way, but it perpetuates the problem because it allows TPTB to run the place in this mad people-destroying way.
No amount of money is worth your dignity and (comparable) safety, especially not when you’re not looked after properly after you’ve been disabled whilst in service.
I wasn’t referring to the money. I just wouldn’t want to lie around all day doing fuck all, apart from the boredom it would be a bad example for my kids.
And that’s something that sets you apart from the scum and the spoilt rich (with their injunctions and super injunctions) – setting the right example. Unfortunately, this seems to be an outmoded concept nowadays!
My kids manage to do it without a problem!
Fck all? Hovering, dusting erm oh yeah washing and….mopping and tidying kids reckrooms. Need some help here …..oh and plumbing, roof leaking, shelf at 270 degrees and lawn mowing. Man you’d be lucky to do fck all.. Hah! at least with shift work you need to sleep.
You need to get a PlayStation 3, IG.
Nowt wrong with whiling away ten hours repeatedly shooting criminals in the face in Grand Theft Auto.
Cathartic too.
Or, seeing as you like Rick Astley so much Gadget, you could try this to pass the time…
http://www.touretteskaraoke.com/index.php/karaoke/25-karaoke/50-rick-astley-never-gonna-give-you-up
And before the High Horses arrive, I have family members who suffer with Tourettes and they frickin’ LOVE this site…
How about “because you can’t put a price on self-respect”.
Hexe, you make a good point re most of us could make a better living elsewhere. A couple of points in answer.
1. God knows that I, like a lot of people like to come on here and let off some steam by dripping like a broken tap about the pretty much criminal incompetence of senior officers / politicos etc. However in actual fact I love my job. I’m challenged every day, I work alongside some fantastic people and despite the best efforts of my management to stop me I actually manage to help people and do some good. After a good few years in the job I still look forward to and get excited about going to work on Saturday nightshifts.
2. There is a pay off for the danger, stress,shifts, unsavory people we meet, crap kit, etc etc and that is this – I get to retire in my early fifties – mabey I’m wrong but even the most commited of us will every now and then think about a change of career, but never too much because the early pension is a massive incentive to stick in there however stressed out you are. If this pay off is taken away I think the retention of experienced officers will become an issue.
“Name me just one thing that still functions normally?”
ME, I’m fcuking AWESOME
What we need is the Paul McKeever standing up in a press conference saying that this is attempted murder. He needs to say that it’s premeditated because the yoof if already carrying a knife. He needs to say that the yoof was fully aware that it was a Police officer abd still stabbed him 4 times (allegedly) and that it’s a disgrace that he has only been charged with a Section 18.
He should name the CPS lawyer that didn’t have the balls to go for an attempt murder, and he should say that the lawyer is a a disgrace.
He should say that Ken Clarke is a disgrace for wanting to get this scum-bag 50% off for an early plea, when he’s bang to rights anyway. We don’t need an early plea.
He should say that the people of London, and indeed the whole of the UK, want the Police to proactively tackle knife crime and gang violence, but we will not continue to do it if we are not protected and supported by the criminal justice system.
In short, we need our own Gary Delanges.
Absolutely on the button.
This is what I DEMAND for my (considerable) subs.
Where are the Fed as usual??
Oh, and where is the Met Commissioner?
He should be on the TV ranting and raving about it.
But then Nigel wasn’t wearing a tie or a hat was he!
I’ll tell you where he is and what he’s worrying about….
I’ve been looking at an e-mail circulated to the entire MPS regarding ‘Single Patrol’ dip-sampling from Response Development / Patrol and I quote from the Chief Inspector author….
“Despite my warning at the beginning of the week two more
officers were spotted together by the Commissioner yesterday!”
I kid you not.
Can I post your comments on the front page please?
funny that, because on the flipside everytime i see someone above the rank of Ch Insp out and about (rare i know!) they are ALWAYS ‘double crewed’. Supers with there lapdog inspectors following them around like lost puppies.
And last i checked they dont respond to people kicking off or attend jobs that would require them to be doubled up.
Truly a case in this country of lions led by lambs.
Please do. I can assure you that this hasn’t been taken out of context.
“Despite my warning at the beginning of the week two more
officers were spotted together by the Commissioner yesterday!”
What, chasing a 18 year old lad who had just stabbed one of them? Outrageous isn’t it.
As usual, senior officers more worried about how it looks, than how it is.
They are banging on about this single patrol rubbish incessantly at the moment – “you must have a minimum of 30% of available resouces deployed as single patrol” blah blah blah. We are now getting weekly emails showing the % SP deployments with questions as to why we are not hitting the target. What really irritates is that at a “training day” 2 supernintendos and a CI rocked up together in a marked car. When it was pointed out they werent setting a good example to the troops they so desperately wanted on SP we were told “Your attitude is puerile and unhelpful”!!!
Great – a follow up from the A/CI I quoted earlier in the week?
I’d love to be ‘dip-sampled’ or ‘reality-checked’ by some over-promoted flunky from NSY – preferably the commissioner, but a right-on acting C/I will do. They’d get a reality check they’d not soon forget in a hurry.
My Boss (who is very IG-esque) says ‘always have an answer’. The Job tries to screw us by saying we should do dynamic risk assessments – well, if you’re ‘caught’ two-up, you just did one, and this is the result.
The idea of the commissioner driving about trying to catch us out instead of CATCHING F***ING CRIMINALS is so far beyond parody it almost makes sense!
It’s quite often a case of “do as I say, not as I do.” like being rebuked for turning up to a briefing not wearing hi-vis and hat and being told off by a senior officer wearing a casual jacket, no body armour or belt kit and shiny leather soled shoes.
Lions led by Lambs? Lions led by Donkeys more like!
The Borough Commanders press statement got me mad. He managed to get the words Community, Partners & Reassurance in. Twat.
Must have been a tight fit :-p
For jim the crim,
“Lions led by Lambs? Lions led by Donkeys more like!”
I thinks lambs is a better answer. Donkeys are hard working but stubborn with a strength greater than their size. SMT are weak and change beliefs to whatever they think will get them promoted they are not hard working.
The lamb is the junior version of a sheep, a sheep is one of the most stupid animals to grace gods clean earth (other deities are available). Sheep do not think for themselves and panic when not in familiar surroundings. They need expensive and regular maintenance/care to just keep functioning and roll over and get stuck on their backs waiting to expire if not rescued by another. Sheep are the acpo ranks of domesticated animals.
Taste nice with mint sauce tho
Last time I checked my rep was on the lash at 1am at the recent police fed conference. I slept well knowing he was working hard on the issues of the day….
What he said.
Absolutely spot on !
What about some Fed proactivity?
It’s about time these incidents are put before the public because, as the advert says, we’re worth it.
In a nutshell what I’ve so long thought.
Why doesn’t someone with the appropriate authority have a spine by calling a press conference and saying all this, particularly about the CPS decision? Would they be sidelined / sacked?
The left-wing media would probably decry such rhetoric as populist tub-thumping (especially if elected police commissioners are ever introduced), but EVERYONE I know would support such a person (he’d be up on their shoulders), and I suspect a large tranche of the population (thank God someone’s expressed how we feel and is prepared to do something about it).
This state of affairs is crying out for such a person.
PC Albuery, I salute you and get well soon.
It’s not the left wing media that si the fault, I can see why you’d say the Guardian but the Mirror is no apologist for the criminal.
We have such a person in our midst with a strong spine and a pair of steel ones.
I think he is up on our shoulders as he has already focused and brought together the voices of dissent from MOPs and frontline officers. The roar of truth from this will not be so easily silenced.
Ok writing speeches ain’t my strength. Back to the joking around. Phew.
That was a reply to Animal by the way and his call for someone to stand up and speak the truth. Damn my club fingers.
IMO there is a big big problem with the people given overall charge of the various CPS area departments. According to some staff there is no level playing field when it is decided when prosecutions are actioned.
Because the CPS are a load of shit and don’t have very good solicitors working for them.
All of the best ones work in defence – where the money is. The CPS are then left with the dross and that is why they can only secure convictions for GBH instead of attempted murder.
I don’t know, I’ve met my fair share of dross defence also. I have also known a few excellent CPS, but not enough to turn the tide yet
Must say – we have quite a few decent solicitors in our local “DAs” office up here in Personchester
And there are several local defence solicitors who I wouldn’t run to if I was in trouble!
The money has gone now from criminal defence – any solicitor motivated by money is in corporate law. Speaking with some local solicitors they are probably on a similar wage to a 12 year in PC !
My best wishes for a speedy recovery. Brave lad!!
My best wishes to this brave officer. Lets hope the little oxygen thief gets plenty of porridge!
Check out this link. Oh how I wish we could have police bosses like this guy…..
This guy is a LEGEND and is regularly used as an example of what our Fed leaders should be like. He’s NOT a member of their SMT, he’s a POA (Fed) rep.
Couldn’t agree more.
How much respect would a Chief Officer gain if they took a stand like this? (as long as they meant it, because we’ve all heard how they support us whilst actually doing their best to cover their own arses and gain the next promotion)
But porcine aviation will be commonplace before any of your politically-correct, politically-appointed, “right-on” Chief Officers would *ever* make a statement like that. It would cause huge amounts of tuttling in The Grauniad – which would never do.
That’s why, as an MOP, I’m slightly at a loss to understand why there’s so much opposition from “Gadget” et al to elected commisioners – because I reckon you “working” coppers would get a damn sight more support from one of them – and probably a lot more plain speaking.
I love his line:
“Judges are the unaccountable people in this justice system”
Until those people become accountable, the justice system will not work.
We are accountable, and so should CPS lawyers, magistrates and Judges. They will soon learn that letting people off, or not giving them a proper sentence, and they then go and commit further offences may come and haunt them.
Do we know if he went after those Judges?
Even more impressive: This guy is a union leader in San Francisco, a city of ponces and mopes who regard The Guardian as a political fellow traveler with Der Steurmer.
The s***bag murderer was convicted and sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.
They do things differently over the pond. I’d like to think the newspaper account was accurate
http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/ooorah2.jpg?w=450
“Assailant suffers injuries from fall
Orville Smith, a store manager for Best Buy in Augusta, Georgia, told police he observed a male customer, later identified as Tyrone Jackson of Augusta, on surveillance cameras putting a laptop computer under his jacket. When confronted the man became irate, knocked down an employee, drew a knife and ran for the door.
Outside on the sidewalk were four Marines collecting toys for the “Toys for Tots” program. Smith said the Marines stopped the man, but he stabbed one of the Marines, Cpl. Phillip Duggan, in the back; the injury did not appear to be severe.
After Police and an ambulance arrived at the scene Cpl. Duggan was transported for treatment.
“The subject was also transported to the local hospital with two broken arms, a broken ankle, a broken leg, several missing teeth, possible broken ribs, multiple contusions, assorted lacerations, a broken nose and a broken jaw…injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off of the curb after stabbing the Marine,” according to a police report.”
Man those curbs are steep in Georgia.
Love it.
In the accounts I have read, the robber who stabbed the Marine was Tracey Attaway shown below, but the point stands.
In UK the Cpl would probably have been done for assault.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=766_1291212672
He does show his winning smile at 0.45
SNOPES record this as a ‘mixture’ story, and says that the final paragraph (about the copious injuries ’caused by’ falling over a curb)seems to be added later ‘for effect.) Shame!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/stabbedmarine.asp
I truly laughed out loud at this…
…sat in a busy shop waiting while the mrs is trying on the 9th pair of shoes.
Brilliant! Tears of laughter as I read that.
Semper Fi Cpl Duggan
quality! Good effort all round I say …. gotta watch them kerbs …
I would like to become a Special Constable in my local force. I am sick and tired of members of the public constantly criticising the police when they have no idea how bad the streets have become. Most wouldn’t dare go out on a police patrol in this country on a Friday or Saturday night. I’d like to do my bit instead of moaning and hiding behind a keyboard; and advice from serving officers?
Harry,
I completed a full seven years a Special Constable in the same force that I serve now.
I enjoyed every minute of my service and got to work with some great people.
My only real advice would be – don’t take it home – I did so a few times working in the area that I Police and it caused me some issues – car being damaged etc.
It’s a good time to join as it would appear that Specials are being treated better.
On a lighter point – don’t come across as a know it all – full timers (inc. me) really don’t like it
Sign up – you will enjoy it.
RTC
@Moggy “oh how I wish we could have police bosses like this guy…”
Yes I am going to repeat myself.
We have bosses like this that are just muzzled.
One in particular is starting their own legend.
This example, one can hope, will lead the way for others in the same rank to follow.
This has to be recognized ( and by the reverbs in the media is being recognised) and rather than look abroad ……..look at what is under our noses.
That was not supposed to come across as a lecture by the way. Pah I would have made a crap teacher and no it’s not my round it’s PC lightyear’s .
I had an old school Chief Super a bit like this chap once. He is retired now but a good boss to work for.You knew exactly where you stood with him, unlike today’s “leader” who have permanently sharped knives within drawers….
and this is where (in theory) elected chiefs could work.
the right people need to stand and a decent vetting proccess with transparent oversight is essential.
The public by and large will get it right. Those of course who will vote, cos the facts are, despite Gadgets worries, the examples he gives just won’t vote.
They don’t in GEs and they wont in Local, Mayoral and Chief elections.
Best wishes and huge admiration to PC Albuery. Here’s hoping that the prosecution counsel have more balls than the cps and go for attempted murder at court. They can and sometimes do change the inditement.
As for stop and search this would be murderer was clearly already wanted for gbh, was carrying a knife and was prepared to use it. Surely the exact sort of person who needs turning over. Whether the PC was wearing a metvest is completely irrelevant to the stop.
If I were to do my time again I’d be happy with 1. a personal sidearm and 2. a lightweight, undershirt, BALLISTIC protective vest. I figure I’d be comfortable and almost as agile with the latter and happy to take my chances against a knife, with the former.
“In USA, stabbing a police officer would get you the following:
1. Shot by him or his colleague
2. 10 to 15 in a State Pen with Bubba or Leroy”
Why would they put a dead guy with 10 or 11 .40 diameter holes in him in prison for that long? Wouldn’t they just bury him?
should have said ‘one of the following’
I think you`ll find it is a breach of his human rights to not provide him with the prison place he is entitled to. That 5″x5″ cell is his right under the laws of this country and your suggestion that he is in some way a second class citizen who doesn`t deserve to be treated like any other prisoner, just because he is dead, is despicable.
Burying him in the ground and ignoring him contributes nothing to his rehabilitation but simply guarantees he never has the opportunity to realise the consequences of his actions and the damage they do to the people around him. If we take away his one opportunity to reflect and thus regain his self-respect then we are as much the criminals as he is.
If the officer doesn`t get a chance to de-arrest prior to expiry then the prisoner remains the responsibility of the government until he can be. He should be granted all the rights and hard-won benefits of a civilised country. Food, water, clothing, Sky T.V., free medical attention and free legal aid.
Your prejudice sets this country, no, this world, no THIS UNIVERSE back 10 years, no 100 years, NO 100,000 YEARS. MY GOD WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE YOU??? I SEE DINOSAURS. WIBBLE.
I agree we live in a world off hate no compassion…
Boy, you really are dim aren’t you?
she’s repeatedly claiming that an 18 year old who is wanted for GBH and stabbed a police officer, is a “good boy” who made a “mistake” because he hangs out with the wrong crowd. Obviously not the brightest bulb in the box.
My first post on here, hello to all.
I wont hold my breath for a decent prison sentence, many years ago i was dragged 60 feet by a car after the two gentlemen inside decided they did not want to be arrested, the passenger held me whilst the driver reversed at high speed.
They were charged with GBH which was dropped to assault Police in Court, as they agreed to plead guilty.
Both were wanted for assault Police (broke an Officers thumb) and a string of 15 burgs at the time but only got 18 months for the lot.
May i wish him a speedy recovery.
A friend of mine in a very large north london borough told me whilst having a pint that they recieved an email stating his borough was being specifically looked at and monitored with regards to single patrol (or should i say lack of). It seems someone has been squealling to them (suspicion is supervisors at metcall) as they are no longer allowed to use the excuse of picking a foot patrol PC up and dropping him off at a call – this scenario was specifically mentioned from what he told me.
The borough he works in has one parade site which is the 24 hour station (no patrol bases etc) As said it is also one of the biggest boroughs in London…. Yet it doesnt have a sufficient amount of cars for the job so PCs are being forced to go in foot patrol where an ‘i’ grade comes out, there are no vehicles to deal and the they are stuck walking at the other end of the borough – welcome to the farce that is response team and single patrol (im sure its a scenario that happens up and down the country)
Again, can I use this please? (no names obviously)
How about an urgent assistance call to a place in a very big force. The unfolding incident being watched on CCTV at the force control centre. As units turned up to help their colleague one officer gets out of their car and runs to assist the officer in trouble who is fighting with 2 people on their own. During the urgent assistance a CAD message is created by the duty supernintendo in the control room for a supervisor on the ground to go and look at the cctv, identify this officer and discipline them for not wearing their hat. I shit you not, this actually happened!!!! The CAD was ignored…………..
I think I know your force….
Me too.
Either that, or this sort of rubbish goes on across the country.
Incident I’m thinking of happened about ten years ago, in front of one of those huge bowling/cinema complexes…
Nope, tail end of last year!!
Lordy. More nobbers about than I thought, then!
No it was about 15 years ago in Gwent when four or five bobbies faced down two opposing groups of football “fans” following an incident. Divisional commander, having been shown the CCTV footage wanted the officers spoken to for not wearing their hats.
I would attempt to invoke grievance procedure for that load of shit.
I’ve heard a similar story from more than one officer in my force. Officers attending a serious RTC. One officer basically holding a crach victims skull together with his bare hands.
SMT (think it was a supernintendo) rocks up, briefly surveys the scene, spots the officer holidng victims head together and bellows “where’s your hat?”
Officer flabbergasted, replies “it’s in the fcukcing car!”
Super bellows “I beg your pardon?”
Officer: “It’s in the fcuking car, sir!”
Two pc’s injured in a head on rtc, whilst being treated by our wonderful LAS, traffic skipper rocks up and asks them where’s your hat.
I’m sure i’ll be calling him sir soon.
Hoist him with his own Petard by quoting ACPO guidance on not wearing hats when out of vehicles on roads with speed limits over 50 mph (40 in London)
Dealing with a stab victim that later died. Boss turns up and in a bid to impress his boss asked where my hat was. I was covered in blood and out of breath from giving CPR. I was too full of adrenalin to answer and just walked off. It seems ACPO are hat mad!
please tell me this is a wind up??
Many years ago but in my last week of service with the Met before escaping the madness for the county I was taken off nights for court and at 5 was going home when I passed the CAD room and heard a bit of shouting, so being a mug I stuck my head around the door, they needed a van urgently at a job but didn’t have any van drivers on L/T so I volunteer, just grab the keys no radio and drive to the location which is AQOA, so I go up to the house and peer through the front window, to be met by the C/Insp Ops looking back at me, turns out there was a raid on a brothel and in those days they had to be supervised by a C/Insp. C/Insp shouts “where’s your hat Sgt? put on your hat on” Right oh I think, back in the van, back to the nick, van keys back on board and I fark off safe in the knowledge I’d be licking a carrot in a week, didn’t have a hat anyway I’d given it to the area car driver on the relief.
Reliefs theres one for the teenagers, before teams and boroughs completely gutted the Met of its “We will do it, what is it attitude?”
Of course you can.
As for the decision og GBH it seems all assaults on police seem to get lowered from what they were initially arrested for. Im sure we all know cases of GBH to ABH, ABH to Common Assault and Assaulting a police officer to obstruction. Who is held accountable for this? Because at the moment it seems like there isnt any.
Neither the CPS nor the courts are accountable to anyone, but that doesn’t matter because it’s all the fault of the police isn’t it?
Is it me or does “partnership working” mean the police do basically everything then get the blame for it too? Except for Social Services of course, they’re too incompetent to even blame the police for stuff.
“partnership working” is just the grown-up game of pass-the-parcel with the buck passed around endlessly. Stop partnerships and someone will have to take responsibility. Simples.
I do think that we haven’t helped ourselves over the years. I recall a number of times where bobbies wanted scrotes done for assault police where officers were involved in a bundle-type arrest and got a scrape or two. As far as I was concerned this was all part and parcel of the arrest and scrotes should have been charged with resist arrest. Assualt police should have been used for more serious resistance or direct assaults prior to arrest…….in my humble opinion.
Got to agree. Bump or scrap in a scuffle is part and parcel of the job. Anything more and it’s no holds barred
It’s almost definitely Metcall as the first email mentioned people being posted S/P on foot then logging onto cars as operators. Only Metcall and IBO would be able to see this, and IBO would snitch on-borough if they were so inclined.
This A/CI and her whole department should be redeployed or let go. We need patrol officers, not a ‘Patrol Development Forum’ or whatever it was she claims to ‘lead on’.
Seldom has any email ever made me so angry.
Did you have that itchy fingered moment where you type up an honest reply and hover over the send button?
I like those emails in a way, they remind me that I am a normal, decent police officer and give me a sound benchmark of what I’ll never be like.
Yes, and yes!
It doesn’t stop my blood pressure rising when I read them though!
In my farce area we have a new shift patten which gives the teams a two hour overlap between shifts.
There is also a new directive that ALL officers in the district will use their airwave sets to book on/off duty and use it to constantly update their status.
This must have sounded great when dreamt up at HQ……
…..but the reality of this is that we don’t have enough cars for one shift let alone two on an overlap, and because all officers, office staff, CID etc are now using their airwaves, there isn’t any batteries left available or charged for the staff coming on duty.
Taser and sidearms? We don’t even have a radio that works and a car available.
Yep, that’s Metroland all over on the new shifts, you know, the ones that increase productivity by making a late turn finish at 3am…..(Insert expletive as appropriate)
Thats Ian the turd for you.
‘Ian the Turd’ – like it.
Speedy recovery to the injured. Another knife incident on my bcu yesterday where unarmed officers threatened and suspect had to be tasered when taser crew finally turned up. But officers threatened with knives is an isolated incident yeah right……
Being ex-xounties, 6ft 4″ and what my team members like to describe as a “big lad”, I will generally turn out to most things on my own without too much fuss, not that I should have to…..
The irony of Single Patrol, means that I will put up for a job only to have my Skipper (who I trust implicitly) radio me and tell me not to go to that job on my own, dur to the potential for things to go wrong.
I usually ignore him and just crack on because I know he has to be heard saying it and he knows I know this. Maybe one day it will be my undoing and the Metrocomical Police will wash their hand s of me, with a press release stating i was told to stand down.
The point of this post is that we are told by ACPO/SMT to single patrol, but aren’t allowed to deploy to well over half our jobs single crewedm YCMIU.
Whilst i’m the subject which f**ktard developed the bit of the policy that states the prisoner transport van has to be single crewed, but that you aren’t supposed to transport prisoners single crewed, WTF?!
Because the intellectually-stunted ‘leaders’ who came up with this barmy, unworkable and inefficient process (to pander to the upper-middle-class whiners of this world) haven’t got the brains or the street experience to realise that a relief of single-crewed units = less efficient, less effective, less public confidence.
We even get people asking, “where’s your colleague?” when turning up to violent jobs.
Also, “how many people does it take?” when they see 4 cars and a van. Well, it takes two, but since we’re all split up into different vehicles, they all have to come along for the ride!
Or, if you are unlucky enough to be ‘proximity patrolling’ on foot: “Have you and your colleague fallen out?” “What are you arguing about with him?” “Ohhhhh, are you having a domestic”.
Long time reader-1st time poster (Be gentle with me). Really grips my s**t why the federation & Management seem to be missing in action when anything is done to a MOS. Why is it we have to take all the crap from the public, politicians both of the MP & management variety. We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t, do they want us to ignore the people who deserve a bit of our attention. Run Away? Yeah right. The comments made by so many mirror what we all have to put up with from SMT’s (I have some great examples of “Toolishness of Gaffers”. Really hope PC Albuery makes a full recovery
Gentle handling as requested.
Send SMT out on single crew after dark and time how long it takes for them to return in a panic. Use a stopwatch as I reckon once round the block without crossing a road.
Inspector Gadget wrote:
“In USA, stabbing a police officer would get you the following:
1. Shot by him or his colleague
2. 10 to 15 in a State Pen with Bubba or Leroy, dependent upon your ethnicity (See Louis Threroux’s current documentary)
AND the public over there support those things.”
Firstly, well done, that officer.
Now, then – it’s true that folks in the US are generally strongly in favour of very tough sentencing for those who commit murderous attacks on LEOs, and generally will support a LEO who defends himself or others against such attacks, all the way to deadly force.
Not a million miles from where I sit, this week, an officer killed a man who came at him with a sword and every sign of intending to use it. Strong parallels with the video incident reported below. Public reaction – well done, that officer.
But the gratuitous reference to prison violence – not so much.
Not a million miles from where I sit, this week, an officer killed a man who came at him with a sword and every sign of intending to use it. Strong parallels with the vidoe incident reported below. Public reaction – well done, that officer.
We all know what you’re referring to when you name Bubba and Leroy – it’s common joke among the more knuckle-dragging levels of US society, and it is sometimes trotted out by those who should know better.
I thought we were supposed to have a system of criminal justice, with defined punishments for defined offences. This sort of off-hand reference to the extra-judicial violence that’s an unfortunate part of any prison system, together with what amounts to tacit approval, tends to break down that idea somewhat – it seems to suggest that a person sent to prison (for whatever offense) deserves any and every fate that may befall him there, no matter what it is. That’s not justice – that’s Lord-of-the-Flies-type vengeance. Most Americans do not support that.
llater,
llamas
I think the point is, time should be time, yes lets rehabilitate those that can or want to but also insure that the time served is exactly that & isn’t some sort of pseudo holiday camp with X-box, TV & DVD combos and the like. If prison was tough enough (Or at least seen to be) then perhaps the extra judicial violence will be scrubbed but until it is then this seems to be the only “Hard Time” that anyone seems to get. Of course thats if they get to an establishment in the 1st place which is a result in itself….
Steady on. First time poster and you have had two in the same day!!
….. prison violence is easily avoided by…… not being a criminal and going to prison!
I think the phrase is “f’ck em”
Most Americans may not support violence in prisions, but it is completely endemic there, so I’s suggest they can’t be that bothered about it.
Credible numbers on this? I seem to remember Rory Miller giving stats indicating that this was not the case in one of his blogposts (chirontraining.blogspot.com), but can’t be bothered to look it up.
I also have a relative who worked in a position requiring a high degree of contact with inmates in a maximum security institution in a US state prison system for over a decade, and who felt fairly safe and related few incidents of violence between inmates or between inmates and staff. There are prisons in the US that don’t protect the inmates and staff well enough, but that’s a management issue affecting single institutions or systems, not a societal one that pervades the country’s penal system.
Er, wrong.
Direct quote from your Rory Miller on US prison violence:
“There is a lot of violence- this is a population that just sees violence as another social tool.”
May I refer you to to comments made above…
F’ck ‘em!
He’s not mine.
Perhaps I was thinking of someone else, or perhaps I’m remembering something Miller said in an interview or something. That said:
1. What’s the context he’s talking about? The types of people who end up in prison do tend to see violence as Miller describes it. Prisons don’t have a lot of control over that, even if they’re geared toward rehabilitation. Is the violence in the prisons he writes about unchecked or encouraged by the institution or the system? Or are they designed, staffed, and run in a manner that is intended to discourage unnecessary violence?
2. I may or may not be wrong, but still – credible stats?
Aye Say, Gadget, was that you on “Any Answers” just now arguing that
*It is self-evident that there are different severities of rape
*Cutting sentances leads to repeat offending
?
If it wasn’t you, it was your ginger stepkid…
on May 21, 2011 at 2:55 pm | ReplyPortsmouth J
“Oh, and for the offender to have basically f*ck all to happen to them!!”
I was recently a victim of a buglary. Mrs Portsmouth J & I didnt know anything about it until we were woken by armed officers, who within miniutes had caught the offenders (all 4 of them). There is something strangely reassuring about seeing armed officers.
Apparantly, after talking to the officers a few days later, one of the 4 admitted the only reason he stopped running is when he reailised the officer chasing him had a firearm.
Now I know we were lucky those officers happened to be driving past as the call was made, but if a holstered gun can have that effect, it makes sense to issue more officers with them!
It really is a no brainer!!
I caught a thieving f*** last night, red handed, basic policing and it was brilliant. He broke into a VW and nicked a sat nav, my colleague spotted a big gold logo on a black hoddie so we bolted after him. He tried to hand it over and said he found it on the floor! Upon being informed he was under a vest, he tried to bolt too but we quickly cuffed him. The little s*** had 54 previous in the past year, some violent, some shoplifting, some petty-no prison. What the hell am I doing my job for?
nice job
Got to just keep chipping away. I try not to worry about the end result and just enjoy the satisfaction of nicking the little shit and getting someones stuff back. Ostrich mentaility I know.
Nice job mate … my type of gig … well done, now go get another one! … reading lock ups like this makes me realize I’m not alone when out and about in the dark preying on the criminal scum …
When I was a Special with a force that are the modern equivalent of the Spartan army a guy was caught pissing up the wall of a posh merchant bank by a foot patrol officer who told him to put his knob away and push off.
Upon being told to “f**k off!” by the pissed suit he then got one cuff on at which point the bloke became Non Compliant (tried to thump the Bobby).
Shouting “down, down, down!” while twisting the speed cuff against the guy’s wrist didn’t work due to the amount of champagne he’d imbued so the cop sprayed the bloke in the face with his CS, unfortunately getting a back splash in his own open mouth.
We turned up to the this after the retching, spluttering constable triggered his panic alarm to find the Rowdy Van had already got there and four officers were now sitting on the screaming stockbroker who had snot and tears streaming down his face and was screaming “YOU BASTARDS! THIS IS THE WORST DAY OF MY LIFE!”
While my colleagues dealt with the wriggling wretch I tried to console the still hawking officer who was very close to throwing up. A guy walking his dog was standing nearby and piped up “I saw that, that was excessive force!”
The green faced copper rounded on him with “f**k off! What do you know?!” and tried to approach him, at which point I led him away to calm down with a quietly spoken “just ignore him he’s a nosey old bastard!”.
The old guy then tried to reason with the response driver of the vehicle I’d been in who snapped “did you see the arrest Sir?”
“Yes!”
“Did you see what led to the arrest Sir?”
“Errr…no”.
“Well what gives you the right to have an opinion then?”
“I’m making a complaint tomorrow. I know you guys have a difficult job to do but it didn’t need that many of you to arrest him I’m sure”.
Next day he turned up to voice his concerns at the Nick, which were thankfully ignored.
Marques of Queensbury rules for arresting violent suspects maybe?
Nosey old bastard “He’s got human rights you know?”
Me “Really? Name one of them?”
Nosey old bastard “Ehhhhhh”
Me “Goodbye Sir”.
And that is the problem. The ‘concerned/interfering middle classes’ do not like it when officers have to go hands on and deal with violent people and they see it happen. For some reason they always side with Sammy Scrote. They have never experienced real violence in their lives and because they are, in the main, people who deal with problems by discussing them and reaching a rational solution they do not realise that a significant proportion of the population will resolve problems by an immediate resort to violence.
Too fucking right. As I explain every time I have someone trying to make a complaint – if I’m on my own and someone tries it on with me anything goes (baton spray, punch, kick in the balls, head butt) as I have to protect myself.
If there are several of us we can restrain someone without doing them permanent damage, so the more the better for the scrote actually.
Instead of pathetic bleating about ‘engaging’ and ‘communities’, senior officers should be getting out THIS message – that force is SAFER for everyone the more officers you throw at it.
This is pretty much scientific fact. In nature animals only fight if they are fairly evenly matched. Same with scrotes. One on one they know they have a fair chance. Turn up with a couple of officers, most scrotes will calm down as they know the odds are against them. Simples apart from if your SMT.
Very true, and this is demonstrated best in the sheer paranoia that SMT have around Taser.
Mad bloke with knife confronted by response officers = typically multiple strikes with batons etc resulting in significant injury.
Mad bloke with knife confronted by Taser officer = 5 seconds of extreme pain from NMI and then fine with no lasting effects.
The obvious and correct conclusion from this is that Taser is much better for dealing with violent people than baton and CS and it’s use should be encouraged.
Unfortunately, as usual, SMT are more concerned about how it looks, than how it is.
The fact that we have more paperwork to fill out if you draw your Taser, than an AFO has for drawing his Glock, speaks volumes.
The Police need a TV spot ad like the ones the ARMY used to have.
remember the POV calming down the african tribsman taking your glasses off for eyecontacts cos it was less intimidating.
or the ‘options’ ad when mounting a night time assault.
you could have one which features some toothless Moat-alike armed with a kitchen knife.
POV shot come hairing round the corner to see one MoP down clutching arm, one poor PCSO in shock trying to calm the guy down.
VO: you’re single crewed on foot, a patrol car is 5mins en route, you are armed with following, which do you use..?>
1) a Tickle stick (how quick are you)
2) CS spray (it won’t work if he’s on drugs)
3) Diversity Forms (works on guardian readers only)
sorry, I started it serious then depression kicked in, suggestions please .. maybe a HUD highlighting of options..
Patrol Car to ram, Wheelie Bin, etc.
Maybe they could be one where you’re faced off against snooker ball and urine bomb throwing students. do you
a)hold the line
b) rush and arrest
c) unleash the land sharks
d) pray for a water cannon
Had this happen last night. Assisted some colleagues with a couple of lads they took out a pub.
These lads had just assaulted someone with a bottle, their intention it seemed was to take the victims iphone.
One of these lads had a bit of a carry on with us and got marched to the van and we were followed by a female in her 50s – not a scrote but a do gooder.
She followed us from the pub to the van bleeting on about how the ‘poor wee boy’ we had restrained / handcuffed hadn’t done anything wrong and how bad we were.
‘poor wee boy’ was only 20 and had 40 precons, some for assault and robbery. Not withstanding what he had done a few minutes earlier.
Deep breath and count to ten…..
Nosey old bastard ” he’s got human rights you know”
Me (living in the matrix) ” Really dammit my quota is still lacking. What can I nick a nosey old bastard for? ”
Nosey old bastard is legging it down the street and I am amazed at nimbleness.
I am joking but to listen to stereotypes in the press and aspiration targets maybe I’m not.
I am. Just for the record. Some things one cannot afford to joke about.
Think your way is better CC.
An old bobby once told me how to deal with drunks urinating in the street.
Walk up behind them, grip the top of their trousers and yank them firmly up to return the offending hose back into the trousers.
Result…
(1) No paperwork, no section 5 public order crime, no bureaucracy
(2) Said person goes home with piss wet through trousers!
(3) Any complaints and you were merely trying to stop him exposing himself and insulting some females that were walking by – if he wishes to continue with a complaint he can be reminded that he will be summonsed for an exposure type offence and how long does he wish to sign the sex offenders register !
Never had a problem with someone making an effort and going somewhere out of the way for a leak, but for those caught pissing in shop doorways or in common stairs I always found that making them clean up the puddle with their jacket taught them a salutory lesson. No paperwork either – what’s not to like?
I believe our beloved Guv has also raised this issue on a previous post but when you go mob handed on an arrestee they are less likely to get hurt. Problem is they later go around boasting “it took 6 cops to bring me down/ put me in a cell/ get me in the van last night” not realising that two could have done it were it not for the fact that SMT don’t want to hurt the little angels for fear of bad press.
I once Cell Exited a violent, drunken IC1 in his late teens and not only were 6 of us involved in this pantomime but the Custody Skipper was watching as a witness and the duty Guv’nor was in the doorway filming it on his mobile phone in case there were later accusations of powice bwutawity.
Little twat got a PND and we got a sanctioned detection but he left the nick bragging about how hard he was. Bloke weighed about 10 stone piss-wet through (if carrying a horse).
You shoulda written up the guv’s use of the mobile in your EAB and hopefully gotten the twatting thing seized.
@DB.
The Guv was the mighty Inspector Harwood from my old division. The only two pipper I devoted a whole chapter to. He did this regularly, as quite often scrotes complained of getting a slap when it was only them and the arresting/ escorting officer together.
He once filmed a guy from an upstairs window while the lad was being brought in from the van to Custody.
When Scrotey-poos later said the escorting officer had given him a dig Inspector Harwood showed him the footage showing it was cobblers to which he them mumbled “rotten, f***ing, crafty copers”.
“I always found that making them clean up the puddle with their jacket taught them a salutory lesson. No paperwork either – what’s not to like?”
Because I believe there’s a case somewhere where it was deemed to be cruel and unusual punishment and potentially breaching the HRA in relation to torture and punishment without trial.
I prefer to concern myself with the human rights of the 65 year-old cleaner who gets out of her bed at 4am not to have to clean up another grown adult’s piss.
Indeed
However the vulturistic soilicitors and barristers who will make you look like a uniformed thug, plus the senior officers more concerned with the false God ‘Perception’ and his accolyte ‘Accountability’ than your career, pension or ability to pay your mortgage- will not give a runny turd about anyone’s rights but the scrote’s
I heard on the radio it costs £34,000 per year to house a prisoner, and that this is too much and this is why the prison population must reduce.
This seems quite a bargain to the taxpayer to me. If you take off the benefit payments most prisoners receive outside, consider that tens of thousands of prison staff are getting employed, consider the savings this would make for the police, social services, health trusts and all the other public bodies who deal with these scrotes all year, it starts to look like a very good investment.
Best of all, society is a nicer and safer place and justice can be dispensed, well, in a just manner.
“…it costs £34,000 per year to house a prisoner, and that this is too much and this is why the prison population must reduce…”
Which…to a MoP housewife such as meself armed with a calculator each week doing her own bills…makes no sense whatsoever.
If my children and assorted pets were costing too much to feed, clothe etc then economies would have to be made on food and clothes etc. I wouldn’t automatically throw any one of them out of the house.
Are these people deliberately being stupid ? Sheer laziness IMHO. No excuse.
Bewildered – you’re right…
Prison Officers pay tax and NI to 30%, drive to work and pay 60% tax on fuel, buy goods and pay VAT etc etc – so the actual cost of Prison Officer wages is half what is claimed.
Then if you incarcerate a burglar for 3 years instead of 1 – how many other burglaries are you preventing happening – and how much financial savings.
And we could always, as I have said before, offshore some prisons to an African Nation or Pakistan – a country we give aid to and let them accomodate our villains at a cost of 10p a day !
I’d love to know the cost to the nation of the average burglar on the outside. I can think of insurance claims – damage to doors & windows, replacement of stolen property, time off work – shock, repairs, maybe even moving on. I’m sure there’s more.
And can’t they work for their keep?
“it costs £34,000 per year to house a prisoner, and that this is too much and this is why the prison population must reduce”
Selective bullshit. It costs £34,000 per year to house a CAT A prisoner.
I cannot believe that the only official response has been the usual mealy-nouthed wank-bingo based response of the officer’s OCU Commander. As has been said the Feds should be going for it ‘large’ on the media – maybe they have tried and no-one is interested. The lack of visibility from the Senior Met ‘team’ is scandalous and tells you all you need to know.
The stabber’s previous highlights the fact that criminals have nothing to fear from the UK criminal justice system and that our black robbers and gang members carry weapons at all times and are not afraid to use them; almost encouraged to do so by the usual white liberal guilt / race-monger driven stupidity that drives the CJ system from government downwards.
I would call for Paul Stephenson’s resignation but what is the point he would only be replaced by another arse-hole.
Glad the officer is OK but I’m sure he will never be the same again.
The fucktard that stabbed him should be gaoled for a minimum of 25 years. that would send a message out there.
Agreed.
I believe that years ago in the 60′s, Scotland had a big problem with razors being used to slash during fights. It only started to reduce when the courts started to dish out a very large sentences and the problems with razor attacks soon stopped.
No doubt about it, if courts started dishing out big sentences for this type of crime then it will stop. However no matter what we want they condems will continue to want the prisons emptied to save money. We don’t count.
Remember the promises made by Labour about carrying knives and I believe the Tory’s of the day slated the Gov for being too soft. All gone quiet now haven’t they.
Well now the Torys are in power they have the chance to put it right. Will they Ken, no fcking chance because crime does not effect these people.
I’ve got news for you. Scotland or more accurately Glasgow and surrounding schemes still has a huge knife problem. Most murders are stabbings. Glasgow has the highest murder rate in Europe.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/apr/11/ukcrime.lornamartin
I regularly visit the Bar L prison in Glasgow. Something like a third of prisoners have a huge scar, always on their left cheek. Why the left? Because the person who slashed them was right handed. In fact I asked someone who had his scar on his right cheek if he had been attacked from behind. He had.
Long senrtences for knive crime in Glasgow? Not these days anyway.
Ted, I have been away too long. However I was talking about a long time ago. I know the present CJ system is fcked.
It makes sense to keep violent offenders locked for longer but it will never happen.
“”Glasgow has the highest murder rate in Europe.”"
Is it not “moirda rate” !
Murrr-ta!
Well, one person has seen the light!
(Metaphorically at least)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1388955/David-Blunkett-Jury-service-realise-cynical-lawyers-reduced-court-farce.html
I read that on the day it was published. Quite inciteful. I think it would hurt the current Home Secretary to go through a week of jury service. It should be made a part of the job.
insightful even!!
Inciteful works too
And still Teresa will look straight ahead and not flinch, as she did even after PC Rathband spoke so eloquently!
Paul Stephenson is a complete and utter T*AT. A colleague told me that he went to a force federation meeting whilst serving in Lancashire Constabulary. Stephenson who was a top jolly ACPO TW*T in Lancs and was on the podium in front of the troops.
The Lancs officers expressed concern at his SINGLE CREW “policy” stating quite correctly in practicality i.e domestic incidents it does not make logistical sense. Furthermore it poses a risk to Officer safety.
Stephenson’s response was “I DON’T CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU OUT THERE !!”
One of his civilian spin doctors horrified, SIR ,SIR………ERM ERM ERM YOU CANT SAY THAT SIR…………………….
Needless to say that statement was met with the appropriate response by the rank and file.
Was any reader of this blog at that Fed meeting ???
That has GOT to be a tall tale
We live in interesting times…..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/may/21/conservatives-risking-reputation-law-and-order
Some balanced comments amongst the usual Grauniad reader anti-police nonsense, too.
Kind of like the thought of marching with the crusties in July. I must get myself a dog on a string for the occasion.
Fight the power!!!
I am thinking of manufacturing hundreds of Gadget cartoon character placards do we can identify each other on any marches?
How about masks of the Cartoon character Insp Gadget in a parody of ‘V for Vendetta’?
I have read the comments section of that Guardian article. Those who comment are nearly unanimous in their hatred of the police. This seems to be based upon:
1. A miners strike which took place before most current constables were born.
2. Public Order tactics which prevent them from doing another ‘Millbank’.
3. The odd reference to the old ‘traffic ticket’ chestnut.
It amuses me that they seem to forget who elected the last Government, the one which politicised the police more effectively than Thatcher ever did. And who introduced targets for tickets etc?
Just read it again this morning. All went downhill on the comments after I went to bed. Ah well.
And the Gadget placards: count me in.
A miners strike which took place before most current constables were born…
At this point I adopt a thousand-yard stare. “I don’t talk about the strike, man, it don’t mean nothing, they weren’t there. It don’t mean nothin’”
More to the point what’s the national “day of action” that the Fed are planning? Spill the beans IG.
Is it going to be another march or is it a work to rule?
Click on the link above – there’s a bit of info in the Guardian article about what they have planned. Was news to me, though.
On another occasion I WAS there. That TW*t Stephenson was a top Jolly ACPO knob in my force. There was a royal visit to a highly specialised food factory. They made products for people with some sort of rare genetic disorder of the digestive system. What it was I cannot remember.
What I do remember was that the conditions inside the factory to produce this food were ABSOLUTELY STERILE. That knob WHILST IN full Acting Rear Admiral Birdshitman uniform lit up a HUGE cigar the size of a bleeding Zeppelin.
Embarassingly he was asked to leave by an MD of the company !
Here in Canada, confrontations between police officers and young people with knives do not end well:
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/youth+dead+Edmonton+police+officer+involved+shooting/4230838/story.html
“During the pursuit, that individual approached a uniformed Edmonton Police Service member, ran at him while in possession of a knife and a bat,”
“That member shot his police service weapon three times, striking the individual.”
“Paramedics were called and the youth was taken to hospital. Despite emergency surgery, he died of his injuries.”
Here in UK, that officer would now be subject to MONTHS of personal abuse in the left press while the assailant would be excused and justified in the same papers.
“Here in UK, that officer would now be subject to MONTHS of personal abuse in the left press while the assailant would be excused and justified in the same papers.”
Accompanied by the usual ludicrous comments such as, “Why didn’t they just throw a net over him/shoot the weapons from his hands/tell him they wanted to give him a hug?”
An American ‘response’ to a shooting – and their ‘civil rights’ reaction.
Scrote had killed an Officer & hidden up – was found & taken down by SWAT struck by 68 of the 110 rounds fired (It wasn’t more ‘cos “That was all the bullets we had”)
The Federal Dept of Justice cleared the Sheriff’s Dept of wrongdoing.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp
A December 2009 version concluded: “The Coroner also reported that the illegal alien died of natural causes. When asked by a reporter how that could be since there were 68 bullet wounds in his body, he simply replied “when you are shot 68 times you are naturally gonna die.”
Yank coroner with a SOH.
Best line you would never see in the UK…..
“He responded in the way that he was trained to respond”
Bloody mispers! 99% aren’t real! Stop wasting my time!
On that subject… can I ask some advice please ?
My daughters friend is having “trouble at home” and regularly does a runner. She’s rung me a few times asking can she come here and I’ve talked her down from hysteria basically saying no…to go home and sort it out or to her aunts nearby and let her mum know she’s safe, at least.
She’s not in “real” danger this is just teen tantrum stuff and a young mother who isn’t coping too well with it so I think I do right there. Last weekend she turned up at 10.45pm and my daughter rang her mother immediately, who came to get her and said the police were out looking for her.
Apart from the lecture she got from me about wasting police time when someone could bein real trouble and need your help….would it have been appropriate for me to contact the local station asap and let them know she’d been found ? Or is that something only the person who reporting her missing could do ?
Call them straight away – the sooner she is found the better it is for everyone
Ok thanks, will do if it happens again…wasn’t sure if that would be correct procedure…but I guess something is better than nothing.
We don’t mind findining them really, I just feel like we are being asked to bring up people’s children and be held accountable when it all goes wronge. That said, if in doubt, ring us, its our job to check the welfare of people, even if we do moan about it!
You say that but in 9 yrs I have NEVER dealt with a genuine missing person – most of them stroppy silly kids.
Stop wasting my time.
I have yet to deal with a real misper too!
At least the murderous Generals of World War 1 were happy for their cannon fodder to be shot in lines accompanying one another. Seems our lot would prefer us to suffer it alone.
I’ve siad it before, a Superintendent used to go out on nights at weekends by himself, patroliing HIS town. Modern managers think respect for them comes with their rank…and a lot of managers are happy their troops despise them. Almost like a game to them.
Yes…managers and supervision have to take hard and unpopular decisions at times…but some seem to revel in the crap they dish out….and don’t seem to be able to lead by example. I’m sick of them justifying some crap by saying they know what its like as they were on the streets 20 years ago. They have forgotten what its like and overlook the completely deliberate social destruction engineering that we have to deal with.
For jim the crim,
“Lions led by Lambs? Lions led by Donkeys more like!”
I thinks lambs is a better answer. Donkeys are hard working but stubborn with a strength greater than their size. SMT are weak and change beliefs to whatever they think will get them promoted they are not hard working.
The lamb is the junior version of a sheep, a sheep is one of the most stupid animals to grace gods clean earth (other deities are available). Sheep do not think for themselves and panic when not in familiar surroundings. They need expensive and regular maintenance/care to just keep functioning and roll over and get stuck on their backs waiting to expire if not rescued by another. Sheep are the acpo ranks of domesticated animals.
Taste nice with mint sauce tho
One big problem with comparing SMT with sheep is that a sheep only achieves true happiness when it succeeds in dying!!
(Many years spent as a sheep farmer)
Generally in the most embuggerance place possible
“The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence…
Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, “Baa.”
Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog…”
cheesy US comparison maybe, but a good sheep story nonetheless!
Dying in becks up in the fells is a popular activity amongst the herdwicks, always good to see tourists drinking from aforementioned becks without checking too far up stream to see if there are any mouldering sheep carcases in the water….
Can anyone point me in the right direction for a public quote from a member of MPS management board on the brutal stabbing of one of their officers? I appear to have missed it.
Well, there’s your answer.
There were, however, plenty of quotes from them during Gay Pride and Black History month.
Just saying……
£5m a year on diversity, how much on officer safety training?
a very good question
PC Lightyear that is a question that I shall put to the member of the MPA who represent the area in which I reside.
Nice to see the scumbag charged and that the PC is recovering. This could happen to anyone doing a stop so please have that in the back of your mind when you next stop someone. Be safe.
Sorry if this is a bit off topic but I wonder if anybody could give me some advice.
I have been a DC for a while now and was thinking of going back to response as it was the only job i’ve done where I have truely enjoyed being a cop. The idea of helping those younger in service also appeals and it cant hurt to see what the lids (said with the greatest affection before you get all defensive!) have to put up with nowadays and maybe try and give some shit back to the crap skippers and guvnors who bully those younger in service to do unethical bulls*it.
But my question is this: What happens to my DC accreditation if I go back to uniform? As far as I’m concerned it is a national accreditation and does not need yearly refreshers or anything similar. So what happens to it? Can I do a few years back on team and then go back into a suit at a later date if I want?
Any DC done a similar thing? if so, any regrets?
Cheers in advance for any help offered.
Davo
Only problem I could foresee is gathering ‘evidence’ for going back to CID or if you were thinking of going for DS
That shouldn’t be too difficult…just keep a couple of stonebonker cris reports in your name that could tick all the boxes you would need…
I heard that they were making you keep some cris’, is that not the case?
What do you mean? As in make us investigate stuff that we don’t have time to due to constantly chasing the CAD and never having time to take statements, check CCTV, follow up witnesses and protracted enquiries because some dick of a DS somewhere who’s not seen a response team for 1000 years decides that these AREN’T protracted enquiries and ‘surely you can’t be that busy’…..
Then yes
Hasn’t anyone got any balls to say “No” to Metcall?
What is the worst that can happen?? Send you back to team?
One way or another you will get your way either by not being allocated crimes or not being pushed to go to another call until you have dealt with the one you are dealing with.
Obviously if it is some serious job then you would go no question but if it is something minor they can fcuking wait.
They cant dicipline you for doing your job properly.
Cos you can be stuck on for failing to comply with a lawful order when a skipper tells you to take a call, or neglect of duty for failing to investigate the shite CRIS.
Apparently if MetCall send you to a call and you don’t go you can get done for lawful order too.
The system doenst work
A colleague recently plastered all over his CRIS report and in his arrest notes “notes halted due to Inspector XXXX refusing to authorise overtime for continued duty”
good man
Davo – it can be done (say “no” to IR). If I’m on 29 they sometimes try to send us to an LOB and I normally have a quiet chat on support. It usually works.
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Officer-stabbed–update/1260268959098/1257246741786
Notice the bit in bold. Speaks volumes. On a brighter note many London boroughs are now sending unpaid officers on Operation Blunt serials to tackle the “isolated incidents” of stabbings. Note most of these officers have yet to achieve Independent Patrol Status yet are being sent out to look for people armed with knives
Every bit of aid I’ve done in the last 6 months has had specials along for the ride. Some have been great, most have been useless – all have required lots of explanations and extra briefings to grasp what we’re up to.
http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/localnews/9041683.UPDATE__Stabbed_policeman_suffered__life_changing_kidney_damage_/
“At Sutton magistrates Court yesterday it emerged he had suffered “life-changing kidney damage”.”
Ooo that warrants at least a good 100 hour community order!!
FFS sounds like dialysis treatment or transplant if life changing.
That is sobering.
Many op blunt serials now have specials on board – if they can be bothered to turn up for it that is…
Ha! Yeah, and each time it happens a PC from team gets ‘abstracted’ onto the bus.
Can you blame them? It’s a long tour, in an area you aren’t familiar with for bugger all money on the back of a carrot about a real job which is increasingly unlikely to materialise.
Many of those that I work with openly admit they do it for the free travel – worth thousands of pounds a year. Hardly ‘for nothing’ – especially those who already work for the Met and get paid time off to do MSC duties.
They’ve been filling less than 5 carriers with specials recentely, which has earnt the poor buggers a bit of a disliking from some of the regs.
This attitude is exactly why decent specials will stay away from op blunt and so on.
If anyone needs to change their attitudes its the MSC’s who dont turn up for the aid carrier and then shaft their response team colleagues as that is where the officers always come from to make up the numbers on the serial!!
“It is important to remember that this is an isolated incident…”
No, it IS important to remember that:
* This is much less an isolated incident than your politicians would have you believe
*Criminals are routinely arming themselves on our streets
*They are more than happy to use them against others, including the police to their own ends
*The police need better equipment and protection against criminals with weapons
*The public need to dispense with the nonsense ‘nobody likes a grass’ culture perpetuated by the underclasses, and start stepping up to the plate and providing the police with the information they need
“Local officers have been tasked with additional patrols in the area to reassure the public…”
No, the public would be better reassured by consistently appropriate sentences keeping criminals off their streets and out of their lives, rather than political soundbites from police management
“We have spoken with our partners so that the community can share their concerns…”
I think I know what their concerns are. Their (and our) concerns are that criminals are stabbing and shooting people and burgling their houses etc etc, and aren’t being kept of the streets by our courts, once (twice, thrice… ad nauseum) convicted.
Whilst officers being stabbed may be considered an isolated incident (thats at least two in less than 12 months that i can think of) the number of assaults that i know of/have witnessed against Police states there is a massive problem.
Unless I missed it, no one has yet commented on the news that (some at least) British Transport Police are to be armed.
Sounds like a recipe for stagging on at a train station and no ARVs
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23951931-gun-police-to-patrol-the-underground-to-counter-terror-threat.do
usual hysterical, misinformed comments of course
You need to see this so much. I won the competition to say it last night. The whole shift wet themselves and the DP had no idea what was going on
“now look here, my cousin’s a qc!”
Why do I find this so funny?
Sorry but after 30 secs that coppers voice was getting on my thruppenies
Likewise – I found it deeply irritating, and not even the tiniest bit funny.
Perhaps we’re just a couple of grumpy old men?
Bollocks. I’m not grumpy.
I’m not old!
“perhaps we’re just a couple of grumpy old men…”
“…I’m not grumpy.”
“I’m not old!”
just ‘a couple’, then?
If we were, we’d both probably be higher ranking than we are now!
“If we were, we’d both probably be higher ranking than we are now!”
Indeed!
Well that was 3 mins of my life wasted.
I scored that on Friday. Winner!
And I thought the pro-privacy laws and in favour of super injunctions, Mr. Hugh Grant, had been arrested in the United States of America.
To remind you as to why he is pro super injunctions;
http://tinyurl.com/3zr2rlk
5. you have been strerotyped by an uneducated anglo-saxon who then proceeds to ask you the address of where you work when he can’t find your details on the PNC
A probably-much-more-educated-than-you-most-likely-a-graduate probably not anglo Saxon (I am Saxon-celt-Germanic for example) who is there to protect your arse not kiss it
WHY would a pc ask a totally inocent man the address of where he works?
go on you tell me
your definition of ‘totally innocent’ would appear to be at odds with the rest of the world’s, daniel.
besides, the pc was probably just ‘engaging’ with a member of the ‘community’, which is what the public wants, apparently.
Because if he can’t verify his home address, he might be able to track him down there? If he’s not wholly innocent then an address is needed to which a summons may be served,
And crucially- the officer can ask anything he likes, if it’s just a normal stop and search- you don’t have to reply.
So cool your boosters spaceman and go take your head for a dump
Any number of reasons. To check lawful ownership of a vehicle (if it is registered to a company name). To check what a person tells them “I’m a lawyer”– “Really? which firm do you work for”. Because a work address can be used to serve a summons. Because when we stop and search people we record their address. Sometimes people use a work address. I could go on
And because I like many street cops have a special skill developed through many thousands of stops/interactions. I, with almost 99% percent accuracy, call tell if someone is lying when telling me that “they’ve never been in trouble with the police before and fronting up with a name which doesn’t get a hit on the PNC”. A careful blend of body language, language used, physical clues and instinct. So often questions asked which seem odd are because you have triggered my “police radar”. The 1 in 100 I get wrong is regrettable but nobody is perfect
Because society has decided that it wants is police officers to be entitled to do so.
Its called human interaction. Language and NVCs.
Unless of course your own personal morals allow for the unprovoked stabbing of innocent an innocent person, merely for communicating with you.
I don’t know. Where do you work?
and how can you assert that ‘he was totally innocent’?
go on, you tell us
Because, Daniel, the officer is your father and you have pre-senile dementia.
But that sterotype was bang on the money wasn’t it?
Oh and look who is stereotyping….
good call for a stop/search though, seeing as he was actually carrying a knife eh, or just ‘stereotyping’ (such a lazy accusation to make)? thankfully one of your loved ones hadn’t encountered this individual on his ’rounds’ before he stabbed the pc, or would that be stereotyping too?
BINGO!
A cheap shot, I know, but before you accuse others of being uneducated, please learn to spell the words ‘stereotyped’ and ‘innocent’. Oh, and Anglo-Saxon is capitalised.
Now, as someone else suggested, go and take your smart-arse head for a dump.
Oh my God, he asked me where I worked!
You can’t ask me that, I’ve got human rights you know.
Moomin rights you mean. Trolls that resemble hippos. Just saying.
yes, and i now feel it necessary to stab you multiple times
troll…
Just saw on Teletext a story relating to an increase in mental health problems in the Armed Forces. States that women, young and lower ranks are most likely to suffer.
I can see why the young and lower ranks might be higher, not so sure about women.
With all the additional stress and pressures, are ACPO at more risk of mental health problems or the lower ranks !!!!
And yes, I am also of Germanic Saxon descent, and I am entirely proud of my cultural heritage, just as any person is allowed to be.
What has being Anglo Saxon got to do with anything at all?
Unless its a problem for you because you are a bigoted, stereo typing racist?
I’ve recently passed through the assessment process to become a special constable with a force. I was wondering if anyone can recommend some hints and tips for me, some reading I should do beforehand etc etc. I’m a student at the moment but my exams have almost finished and I’ll have a bit of spare time on my hands. I’ve seen quite a few comments on here about the majority of specials and I’d rather be one of the good minority rather than the bad majority.
It’s more about attitude and character than knowledge IMHO – just as it is with us.
I wouldn’t worry too much, read what they give you and get out on the streets with the right frame of mind, you’ll soon get the hang of it.
Oh, and if you volunteer for an aid serial – make sure you turn up for it!
^ what he said!!
rather you than me at least I get payed for it
You’ve got two ears and one mouth, use them in those proportions!
At least, until you get the hang of it anyway.
Keep your mouth shut! Ha, no, I think the two main things are: listen carefully, ask the regulars to repeat information if you didn’t hear it the first time, don’ be embarassed to ask for confirmation because you’ll look stupid winging it and getting it wrong. The other is always ask questions when you are not sure, you are not expected to know anything when you get posted to your station and asking question demonstrates you’re making the effort to learn.
Take your time, don’t rush and look after your crew mate. The rest will come naturally and you’ll be in the good minority
Try the police oracle forum. Thread ” Now that’s what I call policing.” second post by ITYO says it all. It’s about what makes a good copper.
Advise skipping first post as you can come back to that after a few months.
hints and tips for me
1. Read this Blog.
2. Read the comments.
3. Never volunteer for anything. Oh wait…..
If you were in agreement guv would like to post again ITYO’s comment on this blog from his days before he made his promotion to sergeant (did he?) on this blog. Morale needs a boost. Seems like plenty of newbies in the job reading here. Some sticky threads need to be republished otherwise they become similar to great books languishing that just need to be passed on and read and re-read and not hidden on the top shelf.
Hey nice article here, I think hostile situations take a very special person to deal with and people should get all the protection they need.
My god with all those comment i feel i am not protected any more from robbers killers and policeman .Every one will have the right to have a weapon and use it at any time.
// Every one [inclusdes "policemen" - other genders are available] will have the right to have a weapon and use it at any time //
Troll alert methinks?
“includes” – forgive crap typing.
Do you have a sister called Annelisa?
You obviously do not understand the nature of this blog!
It is designed to formulate fear. Fear in the mind of colleagues and in the mind of members of the public. Think of it as being like a “Daily Mail” but free of charge and one which generates a few bob for certain people into the bargain.
You utter breast
Tick turd.
put your tin foil hat back on Vic, you’re not coping fella.
What’s on the end of the stick, Vic?
Or…dan-dan-daaaaa….should I say Dr MELVIN GRAY! Hmmmm!
Back in the box, you moon-barking goon.
Vic – you forgot our verminous kettles. Seen from above they form the word ‘SCRAM’. Fact.
Vic is correct; I made up the whole ‘stabbing in Croydon incident’ AND invented PC Henry’s death in Luton. PC Sharon Beshenevski was never shot dead and PC Bill Barker was not washed away in the floods. 9/11 was a CIA conspiracy, Kennedy was assassinated by aliens and men never landed on the moon.
Go in for hyperbole much?
Can anyone suggest why the universal reaction to an ‘isolated incident’ is to send additional patrols to the area “to reassure the public”?
Operation Stable Door !!
It is a generic operation across all forces in how to reassure the public.
Re stabbing incident:
Non-reassured old Dear pips up “If you were just here yesterday then this wouldn’t have happened”
Oh you were and it did.
FFS
If you people in Englandistan thing the public supports sentences for criminals…you are sadly mistaken. The FBI crime report this past year points out (not politically correct) that 61% of all violent crimes in the U.S. are committed by BLACKS! and if there is a black on the jury, a conviction is usually not possible as among blacks, race trumps all. Irregardless if the victim was/is black, blacks simply will not convict blacks.
“”if there is a black on the jury, a conviction is usually not possible as among blacks, race trumps all”"
Fortunately in the UK things are a little different. Most people, apart from a small minority, can see beyond colour and can treat people of different races fairly.
But by your calling England Englandistan – perhaps you have not started your argument off in an unbalanced and unbigoted way…. you may find it is you that has the problem and sees racism everywhere, even where there is none !
..and there lies your problem!
as in ‘SKIP the psychic’s problem and his rather odd perception
thanks for the KKK’s take on things, please note that we will get back to you at some point in this geological epoch.
Hmmm. SKip – you’re mad and I claim my five pounds.
He’s got a bit of a point, in ‘Homicide: a year on the killing streets’ the author talks about late 80s/early 90s predominantly black Baltimore juries simply refusing to convict black defendants. Though as someone else said, we don’t have that problem here and I think our juries are usually fairly mixed
Except for his glaring racism he’s perfect. I can’t be bothered to explain his bent sociological theory except to say he needs to get out more.
Ha – not quite what I meant.
It was an actual problem in some US cities in the 80s/90s, there were various reasons behind it.
Back to the nucleur fallout shelter in the yard you go for some more banjo practise.
Speedy recovery to our injured brother.
IG
Can you direct an MOP to a location where (s)he can ascertain what you pay in to your pension as a %age of your wage/salary, what your employer is chipping in ditto, what the basis of your pension is e.g. is it a 30th of final salary for each year served. Whether it is inflation proofed in paying. Confirm what risk you take if the fund is not sufficient (nil I presume). Confirm that even though you and your employer pay in in proportion to your rank as you progress through, the pension is taken out at your final rank so you may have served equal time periods as a P.C., Sergeant and Inspector but miraculously you draw out from the pot as if all your time was served at Inspector.
With such information an MOP may be better able to relate the police situation to his own and judge whether he supports your cry of “Foul”
Google it?
We pay 11% of our salary towards our pension. More than anyone else I believe.
and it’s been 35 years for a full pension for a few years now…
TROLL ALERT…
It’s not a bad pension, in recompense for a difficult job.
I would suggest you try it, but an overweight train-spotter might struggle with the shift patterns.
I’d never have got the Train spotter’ link. I’d thought of a floating dish on a Chinese menu.
my missus loves a bit of crispy duck (NOT code!)
@AZZ -Presumably known to his friends as “4468″ ?
Mallard,
How can a MOP really relate the police pension to their own? A police officer puts up with a lot of trauma, stress, shift work, working extra hours, having their days off cancelled at very short notice, being abused by some of society’s ne’re do wells, footpads and gleeking, reeling-ripe fustilarians. They attend scenes of murder, suicide, large scale accidents and indeed murder (7/7 London bombings). They are the last call for a host of other government departments who fail to do their job and fulfill their commitments, such as Social Services, Psychiatric Depts. the length and breadth of these isles. They are the ones who pick up the pieces after a large scale crash on the motorways of this country, who deal with the dead and more often than not the badly injured living. Every year police officers actions save the lives of hundreds of their fellow citizens. Be it by first aid or intervention to stop that befuddled, frightened, friendless person that is threatening to jump off a bridge or building.
They are the ones that have to go to a family and break the news of the sudden and unexpected death of a beloved daughter, son, dad or mum. They are there in the small dark hours of the morning, patrolling our streets in an effort to keep you and I, sound in our sleep.
And after all of this and more is done, they are expected to go home and cuddle their wives/husbands, girlfriends/boyfriends and rear their children and it is a testimony to their strength of character that we so very rarely hear of an officer who is a wife or child beater. Or a drug user or goes on an alcohol fueled fighting spree or rampage in his/her neighbourhood.
And yet they are the ones, just like PC Albuery, that you, ‘The Public’, appear to be jealous of and obsess about them being Over-paid, Gold-Plated-Pensioned Public Sector Workers.
Well let me tell you as a MOP to a MOP, they are much much more than that and yet some MOPS appear to be against them and are jealous of their pension that they have done all these things and more. Do you not think it is well earned?
Well said Zig Zag.
I second thst
He is doing very well.
Couldn’t have put it better myself AZZ. Thank you.
Et tu, Mallard?
Very well said. Thank you.
Lets make this pension thing really simple.
We did a deal.
They offered a pension under specific terms, we signed up and did the requisite job, now they want to change it.
You don’t need to know anything more than that.
Crikey Boss – next we’ll see Home Office ministers not abiding by supposedly-binding pay arbitrations!
I like to think of this as going for a meal. You decided on a set menu of three courses for £20, but half way through the soup, the waiter turns up and says, “Bad luck, the restraunt is broke, so the price has now gone up to £50.”
LOL ..only it’s not funny for you guys
Our employers dont contribute to our pensions and a lot of PCs are in the 40% tax bracket, we give a lot to society in more ways than one.
I am not a troll but without the facts it is difficult to set the sympathy bar and everbody believes that that they are the exception when times get tough.
If we had been in the Euro the U.K. police would have been in the same boat as your Irish colleagues with actual salary reductions let alone tinkering with pensions. Instead we have been able to devalue our way out of that to a large extent but still need to show the lenders we are trying to get a grip on the fiscal incontinence of the previous administration. If the NHS and education are untouchables the rest of the public sector bear greater pain, but everybody believes they are the exception.
Headcase I think you will find that the employers chip in getting on for twice what you pay in to try to make the sums add up!
do you also think that if the government reneges on our terms and conditions, then we should be allowed to renege on our promise not to strike?
Yes.
The NHS and Education shouldn’t be spared either, there is plenty of lard to trim there too. More so in NHS than schools- but certainly in the Dept for Education.
Again get rid of overseas aid. Charity begins at home.
I for one don’t mind some cuts, but they are attacking our pay and cutting pensions that we paid for when they themselves have uber-generous pensions!
You wouldnt expect to buy a product or service then have it changed significantly once you’ve bought it?!
Mallard, just Google police pensions you’ll find the legislation for the PPS 1987 & NPPS 2006
No secrets it does exactly what it says on the tin.
As IG said it makes no difference what we pay the employers pay or whatever else. They offered us conditions of service including the pension, which was the big carrot and they expected us to honour those conditions. I and may others swore an oath, agreed to sign up and have given our all. Been abused, assaulted,complained about without justification, been in fear of death but still stand on the wall.
All I expect is that my conditions of service are honoured. No more no less.
It is not about unsubstainable pensions or extortionate police pay. The government have an agenda with public sector workers & police whom they have no affinity with. However the police are the big target. They have consistently tried to undermine us as lazy, lead swinging, gold plated pension thieves as this propoganda fits their needs. Simple as that.
Just look at the money that is spent, no wasted and/or sent abroad by the Gov and you as a MOP make the choice what you would prefer.
everybody believes they are the exception
everybody can withdraw their labour as a basic right
Oh wait……
(try cutting the train driver’s wages by £4000 p.a.)
Mallard, you have no idea how much money there is swelling about in this country.
Example no.1 – stupidly rich. Ask yourself how many are there in this country who have more money than they could ever spend, yet pay relatively tiny proportions of tax (these are the people who can afford top lawyers for super-injunctions, top accountants for tax dodges). The same rich people that year upon year are getting ever richer, whilst most of us are taking pay cuts.
Example no.2 – the underclass. A mother, 4 children + newborn baby, and boyfriend (not the father of the children). Neither adult has worked for years, and both perfectly healthy. As well as the extreme ASB they are allowing the kids to cause, they are 6 months in arrears, and refusing to pay as they are demanding a bigger house from the housing association. It is their right to reproduce without any thought of how to provide for themselves afterall, and expect to be housed in ever bigger homes the more children they have.
WE ARE ALL PAYING FOR THIS – and now the government want to squeeze us even more??? F**king with my pension is the line in the sand.
is this the right time to point out that the same conditions of service also mean they can cancel my days off with whatever notice they want?
the same conditions of service that we gave up any right to take industrial action?
the same conditions of service that result in us working technically illegal hours since we aren’t covered by the same laws as everyone else that govern the length of shifts we work, the fact we don’t get paid breaks and the fact that if the job requires it, I will stand for hours on end freezing my nadgers off, getting soaked to the skin, caught in the snow (oh yeah, I walked to work when it snowed. none of these extra days off for me) sweating my bits off running around in body armour in 30+degree heat and so on and so forth.
oh right. so that pension, not so bad now then?
… and any time off work due to illness is deemed a disciplinary matter
Mallard, I wouldn’t mind betting my pension that you’re the sort of person that would be stood in a puddle of their own piss if someone merely pointed a finger at them.
Before making veiled remarks that we’re a burden to society, ask yourself what contribution it is that you make. “I pay my taxes and your wages” is probably all you can come up with.
Mallard, you are David Cameron and I claim a 5% pay rise.
Well said skip.
DPS mongs hard at work again: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3594884/Call-in-the-cops-We-span-classredbarebspan-the-cops.html
When I’m elected Police Commissioner you will be using seized cars and other assets whilst out on patrol and engaged in actively disrupting criminal activity. With all the background information that these officers had on this individual, I though that their arrest of him was measured and in no way excessive. I would dearly like to see the method used by some of these DPS rubber heels and soles. Criminals fight back and will violently resist arrest. Police officers do not.
Remember if that glorious day ever comes – despite Gadget’s objections – place your mark in the box for the Agents for Socialization Party.
And that I am doing very well.
What was wrong with that.
I have see trojan do worse atleast they opened the door. instead of trying to pull him out the window whilst it was still half open.
Better to smash the screen than them take off with someone half in the car.
not an uncommon distraction/disorientation technique – is this really all PSD is investigating the squad for?
They recently blew millions investigating false allegations made by some dodgy foreign crims against the same squad. DPS desperately trying to claw back some credibility by making something stick.
Looks textbook to me – safer and cheaper to smash/replace a windscreen than have a fail to stop in the crowded roads of North London.
Check out the Daily Wail – last time I checked the 5 top rated comments were basically “Leave the OB alone – that looks like exactly what we pay them to do”.
Legendary stop! as soon as someone finds it on youtube let me know?
Bet he’s not sucking his teeth threatening to cap the po po now is he!
Best I could do boss. RealPlayer won’t work on Sun videos.
the video’s in the article.
You can hear how the so called ‘tampering’ of the video by adding Tracy chapman’s Fast Car as a soundtrack is actually them opening the door as it’s playing on the car stereo.
Good drills from the Enfield cops.
Looks like a perfect demonstration of why a show of overwhelming, but controlled, force actually helps keep things under control and safe as possible.
That story in the Sun is full of gems. Love the claim from the drug dealer that he was subject to “water torture”. Of course he was; no chance that a dealer is going to make up some rubbish based on what he’s heard on the TV about waterboarding.
that did make me laugh. we’ve all seen the colouring-in-department partaking in a spot of water torture, so long as it’s daylght hours, now haven’t we!
I’ve seen a very similar video by the flying squad boys taking out a potentially armed suspect. Only they didn’t have bats, they had guns.
No injuries to them or the suspect and a strong message sent out to the crooks that we wont shy away from potential confrontations with criminals who try and use illegal weapons to intimidate and commit crime.
What is not to like?
That the bosses want to sack ‘em?
That if the guy had been found not guilty (or innocent) that he might well have a serious case for suing the police in a civil court. What exactly would be the s***storm that would have hit the press in that scenario… almost writes itself.. “poor black man minding his own business dragged out by brutal racist cops…”
I’m not surprised that the bosses aren’t interested in going kinetic on these things, making sure that the i’s are dotted and that the t’s are crossed. We live in an environment where every little slip up can leave you paying out money to people that you don’t have. If someone uses something called ‘initiative’ they’re not following the rules in the book, and therefore can be held personally responsible!
………..the number of Police officers were reduced, and the government let more of the bad people out of the jail!
Can you guess what happened next?……. ……and the only people who lived happily ever after were the lying, cheating, theiving, druggie scumbags! Cos they knew PC Plod was too busy chasing targets and arresting the same people over and over again!
Not too unpredictable really.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/big_rise_in_yorkshire_crime_as_police_cash_cuts_bite_1_3407322
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-13506148
Check this crap out chaps.
Ah, another lowlife hiding behind his ( no doubt very recently discovered ) concern for his kids’ welfare. How come he isn’t responsible for his absence from the family home? If he didn’t go out thieving, he wouldn’t be in jail.
I’m so tired of morons like the one in the story causing harm to their kids and then using it as blackmail against the rest of society. His kids are better off without him.
And that lawyer of his – another chancer out to make a name for himself on the human rights gravy train.
presumably he should have thought about caring for his five kids when he WENT OUT BURGLARING…BURGLING? BURGERLING?
ah fudge it.
COMMITTING CRIME!!
It’s a fcking joke right. Only burgle and drive like a dangerous knob on the weekends or whatever days he isn’t sole carer? Blood boiling at why anyone should give a toss.
Unfckingbeleivable cheek of all concerned including slime ball lawyer.
Lie down…..
Can’t even see to spell unfckingbelievable.
I’m just listening to Yvette COOPER and Theresa MAY debating in Parliament about police cuts and she’s already said once, “You couldn’t make it up!”
Do you think she reads the blog?!!
Any more dead giveaways Inspector?
Try again
An American guy on here claimed that ‘an armed society is a polite society.’ Is that true?
Inspector, you use the US as a template on which we should base our own law enforcement. I saw Louis Threroux’s documentary and I didn’t get the impression that crime was bring dealt with terribly effectively in Miami.
And there’s another thing they support over there in the good ole U S of A: elected police chiefs.
This is such a depressing post, but made more so by this;
“Every one are to fast to judge with out really know facts. I so haw policeman approach treat or speak to an offender with no sensitivity especially when they are young kids, Intimidating them. There is no understanding watt exactly goes true a mind of an 18 ears old by doing that…Wass he drunk scared or els.”
Leaving aside the murder most foul of the written word, it’s the sense of grievance and entitlement that comes through loud and clear from that. When are we adults going to start responding to kids in a manner that doesn’t reinforce their self-centric view of the world? We are truly screwed.
The police have extraordinary powers. These should come with extraordinary responsibilities.* While I recognize that the circumstances of a police raid involve much noise and confusion and things happening quickly and a very real danger to the police officers, the fact that the police escape blame under pretty much all circumstances leads me to wonder what level of accountability they truly have for such “mistakes”, especially where such “mistakes” result in the death of an innocent person.
Consider the case (in the UK) of Jean Charles de Menezes, a Brazilian man whom the police mistook for a terrorist, followed on two buses and then into the London Underground where they tackled him and shot him multiple times with no/limited warning (depending on which eyewitness you believe). No charges filed against anyone, no personal responsibility, and only a fine for the police force as an organisation. Should we not expect better from the men we entrust with our safety?
Do you not live in the United States? This happens and is tolerated regularly in the US.
Hell, here in Las Vegas, we’ve never had a police shooting that wasn’t ruled justified or excusable. Not even when they shoot an unarmed man who is holding a basketball, or when the SWAT team shoots an unarmed man clothed only in shorts who is prone on the ground and surrounded by SWAT officers armed with automatic weapons. Not even when it’s an unarmed guy who turns out to be a different guy than the officer claimed when he got a warrant signed.
All those cases happened here within the last 12 years or so, and every one of them was “tolerated”.
The police have carte blanche to shoot and kill you at any time, for no reason whatsoever. All they have to do is say later “I thought he made a movement that might have been for a weapon” or “I thought he might hurt me or someone else at some later time” and BINGO! the officer is given a pat on the back and sent back to his job where he can continue to kill people with impunity.
Just making a point…. i am of this Blog.
Ian walked home the same way from work each day
He was pushed by a policeman moving as part of a cordon whilst walking home with his hand in his pockets like any other day.
An officer then struck Tomlinson with his baton twice, either on the torso for no reason.
shortly after an officer appears to lunge at Tomlinson from behind, then strike him across the legs with a baton the officer was holding in his left hand. The same officer then appears to push Tomlinson’s back, causing him to
A video obtained by The Guardian on 21 April shows Tomlinson standing by a bicycle rack when the police approach him, hands in his pockets, appearing to offer no resistance. After he is hit, he can be seen scraping along the ground on the right side of his forehead. Eyewitnesses spoke of hearing a noise as his head hit the ground
After being helped to his feet by Alan Edwards, a protester, Tomlinson walked 200 feet (60 m) along Cornhill, where he collapsed at around 7:25 pm outside 77 Cornhill, next to the Co-operative Bank, and opposite St Michael’s Alley. Witnesses say he had been stumbling, appeared dazed, his eyes were rolling, and his skin was grey (police tried to say he was drunk)
An ITV News photographer tried to give medical aid, but was forced away by police, as was Lucy Apps, a third-year medical student.Daniel McPhee, a social support worker, told The Daily Telegraph that he was one of the first on the scene, and that he dialled 999, the UK’s emergency services number. At that point, Tomlinson was reportedly still breathing. The ambulance operator told McPhee to put Tomlinson on his back, McPhee says. Then a group of riot police surrounded Tomlinson. The operator asked to speak to the police, but McPhee says the police ignored the request. Police medics then attended to Tomlinson, who was pronounced dead on arrival at hospital.
NO CHARGES ARE BEING BROUGHT AGAINST THE OFFICER WHO MURDERED IAN TOMLINSON BECAUSE OF A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN PATHOLOGIST’S -
NO CHARGES AT ALL WILL BE BROUGHT AGAINST THE OFFENDING OFFICER(not even assualt)
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