Here at Ruralshire Constabulary we have just held a competition for demented pre-school children. Each child was selected for their particularly anarchic and illogical characteristics, fed on E numbers and frozen pizza for a week and then given a huge paintbrush, a map of the Shire and placed in a dark room with 100 similar children. They were then told to paint whatever they wanted, the only rules being that they had to cover the whole map, they could only use two colours and they had to do so in just three minutes.
The results were thrown together, judged randomly by someone from the police authority with no previous knowledge or understanding of policing and then adopted as the new Response & Patrol Hub system for answering 999 calls.
We haven’t been told that this was the methodology, but having now had the chance to have a good look at the new system, it is the only explanation. As usual, the design and implementation team who really did come up with this nonsense was unique it its lack of membership by anyone who actually has to operate the system.
Don’t take my word for it, the very sensible Michael Nicholson has discovered something similar in his home force, Surrey Police.
In terms of sheer cheek, you really have to hand it to our Chief Officers. They have managed to deliver an emergency response system with less officers, based in fewer places taking longer to get to you and yet it’s all done with a cynical promise that ‘frontline services’ will be unaffected by the cuts! The confusing thing is that we are not actually saving any significant amounts of money, being as the officers being removed from these teams are simply being redeployed elsewhere, mainly ‘prisoner handling teams’ where the rich harvest of ‘Detections’ are found.
Publisher Dan Collins and I talk about this all the time. We can’t understand where these useless ideas come from, and how such nonsense can be adopted time and again, only to be abolished later at vast expense. My only suggestion is that after 13 years of top-down, target driven, bureaucratic and ideologically driven policing nonsense being peddled by Centrex and then NPIA in the selection and promotion of senior officers, we have a whole generation of fools at the top.
The solution is to immediately sack everyone above the rank of Inspector and start again, preferably with myself in charge of the whole lot. I would start the cull at Chief Inspector to avoid my own demise, after all, Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.
Oh no! I wrote the word ‘Christmas’. I’ve had it now……….















Back of the net.
Are you going to run around swearing?
with your shirt pulled over your head?
We do talk about it, Gadget. It does bamboozle me, but only as long as I try to figure out how it helps the law abiding public. Once I discard that rose-tinted lens it all gets clearer.
Can I just add, if any readers want to suggest FOI requests they think would be worth submitting, I’m happy to take these on? Via email, use a joke name but confidentiality assured in any case, and acting as always within the professional rules, of course.
An FOI request to the Met please – on how the cuts will affect – if at all – the Diversity and Citizen Focus Directorate…..
(and why do they still have one when everyone else is being dry shafted)
Consider it done. I’ll pass the response on to Gadget.
Ta
second
top five
Podium finish – my day is fulfilled
Top ten!
I’m actually fourth. I think Michael Nicholson is being very optimistic when he reckons that 100 police officers will be on duty at anyone time. I bet it is half that number for the whole county. In 5 years or so when Surrey realise that they have sold the family jewels taht is the police stations within the community that they serve. They will be begging the large retailers to be given a bit of space at one of the town or just out of town stores.
Agreed, and the police will be snuggling up in yet another Tesco’s tin shed* along with what is left of something that was once called the NHS.
* planning permission for tin shed will be granted because it ‘brings new jobs’ to Ruralshire, Buy one get one free? I don’t think so, just another job snatched from the village.
Well that would explain a few things, anyway.
Woo Hoo Tot 10 Get in there
Having now read the post, I agree with your views. In my Farce we have just this week gone over to the same Hub system for Response and Prisoner handling teams. My first impression is what a mess, and looking at the numbers on the ground and the area that they have to cover it wont be long before someone gets hurt.
Patrol Hub this, Response that, either we are all working for the same force or, for some strange reason, many forces have, all at the same time, decided to go over to a new system of patrol/response/neighbourhood policing. Funny that. I wonder if it was ACPO/NPIA or the ConDem that ordered this restructuring?
Those MBEs don’t earn themselves you know!
9TH – COME ON!
top ten for me too………
Fifth?
Ish. Top ten anyway.
top 10 woot woot
patrol hub the only explanation i can find is a load of old arse!!!!
You’ll like this, there was a half page add in the Metro yesterday from the Police Federation. It had a picture of a hooded youth pointing a gun towards whoever would be reading the add. “Policing cuts are criminal” was the tagline.
You mean this?

Yes sir, the very one!
http://www.24dash.com/news/communities/2011-04-04-Police-cuts-advert-branded-irresponsible-scaremongering
The truth has a habit of making the people complaining grumpy. It coincided with the day on which MP’s were debating policing cuts in parliament – most of the MP’s didn’t turn up, more important things to do I guess like find second homes.
What the debate did show however is that government really have not got a clue.
This is a useful website too, find out what crap interests your MP and how they vote;
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk
They did turn-up, just not at parliament.
Since their new “taxpayer-funded-credit-card-expense-scheme” has just started they were at Fortnum and Mason ordering new 60 inch plasma tvs’ for their new second, third and fourth homes.
How can less police officers mean that public safety maintains a status quo? What planet do these MPs and think-tankers come from? In my neck of the woods, courts are closing and staff are being list from the ones left. Legal advisor said today that they couldn’t cope. Reduced police reduced cps reduced courts = crims getting away scott free. Doesn’t take a mathematician to work that out.
“The solution is to immediately sack everyone above the rank of Inspector and start again, preferably with myself in charge of the whole lot.”
I like this plan.
Good chap, because you are the Deputy.
Get your hat….
Sir, can I be your bag man? I’m a good driver and I’ll even pick your dry cleaning up in between dragging you to domestic calls that come out on route.
As I had the pleasure of doing whilst giving lifts to one of my CIs the other day. After the domestic, went to supervise a sudden death. Well, he couldn’t tell me ‘no’ – ‘no’ matter how much he wanted to.
Can I be head of human resources? Ker-ching!
We still have to wear hats? Boooooo!
… And whatever you do, don’t forget your bloody tie!
Did me by a minute…. Haha
Hmmmm still top ten, I think!
I reckon you is my Boss, Boss….
Drat! Would have been first if I hadn’t been copying that Daily Torygraph article for you.
As I pointed out before, our Police Authority members are happy that the Senior Officers all did their time on the front line so know what’s going on there.
Good old Fed’ Taking out an advert. That’ll show ‘em.
If they don’t get off their arses on this one I want my subs back.
Have to find more subs soon to fund ‘the new improved ACPO’
What about this one then….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12972445
But Policing Minister Nick Herbert said: “In challenging times we need strong and focused leadership at every level in the police to ensure all the service makes the best use of all its resources.
“I am grateful to Peter Neyroud for producing this report and I would like both the public and the police to give us their views on his recommendations. I will give them careful consideration before final decisions are made.”
In other words…. NO. NEXT!!
You have to believe that the compliance of ACPO in Winsor and Hutton has been ‘bought’ by the ‘promise of acceptance’ of this tosh by Government. This will provide ACPO with their new revenue stream out of our pockets and not the public purse. ACPO Plc will ccease to exist but it won’t matter because they will have their new funding stream.
I doubt there are many, if any, members of ACPO that could last a single Friday or Saturday night in the current ‘era’ – many are after all dinosaurs. The last time I saw Fahey starring in a show he didn’t even get the caution right.
This report will have the additional effect of ACPO of empowering them as the ‘voice of the service’, I doubt many believe they actually are.
If any of you are in doubt as to what this would mean to you just read their submissions to Winsor. A dissenting few on here complain about the Fed – just imagine what representation might be like under ACPO.
30 pieces of silver anyone?
or just two pieces of silver for the boatman…..
Hmmm, maybe if ALL officers have to do their time on the streets and in the custody cell (Friday night in the city centre Sir? 3 x 18hr days interviewing a child abuser/murderer Ma’am? What about you SOCO the decomposed body or oversee the baby PM?) No? Well, with all due respect, f¥<£ off.
Specials £25, eh? Well, our Commandant was fiddling his travel expenses for years, so he would have been ok.
We may be able to claim it back on expenses. All we’ll have to do is get a photocopy of it, get a form signed by a line manager, send it to the finance office, have the claim form sent back to us because a form 123xyz wasn’t attached to it, then repeat the process until it becomes apparent you won’t see this £25 until the next time Arsenal win a trophy.
I’ve got a boatload of form 123xyz’s. I can let you have a few if you like. Mind – it’ll have to come out of your budget!!
I’m not fussed abour £50 annual fee to a professional body…
especially when regs state I can claim it back.
What does concern me is that ACPO are mentioned as being in on the act to administer it….
Those self serving backstabbing &*$£(. I’d rather have the Federation administering it !!
I am fucking fussed. This proposal is a con, nothing else. What is the up side to being a member!? It is utter, utter bullshit.
Our ACPO are so sure of their greatness in dealing with the cuts so cleverly that they have actually written that there is no thin blue line any more, only a thick blue line. Conceited beyond belief, and WRONG WRONG WRONG!
“they have actually written that there is no thin blue line any more, only a thick blue line. ”
They really need to get out of the office more !
Set to get even thinner on bank holidays. My district has decided to run well below minimum staffing on the up-coming bank holidays to save money.
The only thick thing is ACPO if they stand by this. Arses!
Hubs are obviously the current trend…. in my farce they have abolished divisional traffic and the motorway unit and formed three hubs to cover the whole force area….. somehow less staff and vehicles will provide better cover. Don’t you just get fed up of being lied to?
I really hope against hope that the brass really don’t believe the bullsh1t they peddle and are only just doing it to save cash……… I know the cupboard is bare and the money has been stolen to give to the bankers…. however much I don’t like it, I can accept monetary cuts but if they really do believe that this is going to be better then we are even more up the creek than I thought.
You must be west yorks
Could be GMP though?
Here we think it is acceptable to have Traffic Officers driving for 25 miles on blue lights across two town centres or the orbital motorway/car park to deal with an RTC !!!
Oh well – at least there are plenty of staff monitoring the response times, paperwork, stop searches, emails, graphs, charts etc
It must be a northern thing! My biggest worry is former divisional road traffic officers now dealing with motorway jobs! It will all end in tears! Experience is a must on motorways.
Its not old mate
It bloody is….
Motorway policing …90% boredom….. 10% sheer terror !!!
Experience is a must – when you have 40 tonners flying 5 ft from you at 60 mph !
“Experience is a must – when you have 40 tonners flying 5 ft from you at 60 mph !”
Sounds like a few dates I’ve been on. Like my Native American name suggests “Dances with Whales”
I somehow have this urge to ask what happens to the fourth hubcap. I’ll get my coat….
Not only stolen for the bankers, but also to pay bonuses to your antagonists and defamers at the Home Office.
http://tinyurl.com/43lebsh
We don’t have a motorway car anymore. Traffic, sorry RPU, is collaborated and the motorway covered by the other force.
That and new callsigns which seem to have been created by an Enigma machine in their complexity…
Remember Were all in this together ! ( Unless your from the rulling elite )
All together in the one remaining car?
cant do that round here mate single patrol kicked that one into touch.
Under his proposals, Mr Neyroud suggests constables pay a £50 yearly licence and chief constables £250………………..
FFS !
Wankers
Turets?
The higher payment gets your more ‘prestige’, so those of us paying only £50 will still be treated like peasants.
It should allow ACPO to continue (see my previous post) and fund plenty of champagne receptions.
They can take it out of my fed subs.
So my Chief will pay five times as much as my wife (constable) even though he earns six times as much as her and eight times as much as a probationer?!
Back to school Peter. the NEYROUD Report describes him as a Chief Constable. What is he Chief Constable of, which JP swore him in when he took up that position?
Tosser.
IG, are you still on GMT or am I on double summer time?
All these changes and restructures are national….
They are part of the master plan to have us all the same (so we can be merged in the future).
Like the radio nonsence about us all saying the same states for the same thing…. no more “rogers” etc…. we will all talk and do the same.
The accoutants KPMG have got in on the act and filled their boots with….
Operation golden goose – sorry … Operation Quest…..
http://www.kpmg.com/UK/en/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/Pages/OperationQuest-ImprovingPolicePerformance.aspx
“QUEST was conceived as a programme of continuous improvement and acts as a catalyst for cultural change. By the end of the six months, QUEST will have delivered rapid yet sustainable benefits to the organisation whilst enabling it to deliver and realise benefits in the future using the QUEST approach. As a result, QUEST is now perceived as an approach that prepare oganisations for the next ten years rather than merely the next six months.”
As for not saving any money IG … we have been “Quested” and conform to the “New Policing Model” and all that bollox…
we lock up and spend 90 minutes driving to the custody office somewhere in the force that can accomodate our prisoner, before waiting for 2 hours in the back yard to book them in. Then it is another two hours or so to do most of the file before a prisoner processing unit will touch it.
End result, any prisoner = a few hours overtime guaranteed!!
No money saved at all !
Ah yes…. Quest! We got bent over that particular monkey a couple of years ago…… total disaster. How our asses have not been sued to the rafters for PACE breaches I know not.
PACE breaches? Care to expand on that?
I suspect it will refer to prisoners being dealt with by prisoner handling type teams which don’t do nights and which are understaffed and poorly managed.
Thus – response teams have it in their heads that they don’t have to deal with prisoners on nights so people get illegally bedded down for the PHTs when they could and should be dealt with and then two PCs on earlies on a Saturday morning dealing with eleven prisoners.
Bonkers.
I read the hyperlink to KPMG and recall hearing Stephen FRY years ago talking about management consultancy:
“The art of the so-fucking-obvious it makes my nose bleed.”
Since they do a good job of helping tax-fiddlers (KPMG) maybe they can help the average copper avoid some tax as much as they help MPs’ ?
We had ‘Quest’ about 3 years ago and we’ve just finished dismantling it all as part of restructuring. They started dismantling parts of it about a year ago but now it’s all gone. Who knows how much we paid KPMG but at least two of their ‘liason officers’ have since been promoted.
Is it just me or have those fed subs been going steadily upwards over the last few years? Boy am I glad they checked with us lot, before spending my hard earned subs on that rubbish….the race and diversity aspect of the photograph must have been a minefield…. However did they make a decision?….. Out of work ” the bill” actors maybe?
You should have heard Peter Neyroud on The Today programme the other morning about ‘his’ and ACPO’s plans for the future of police training. Police Academy’s the world over have clearly got it wrong and why ‘we’ ever had a residential training course where trainee police officers learned law, procedure and developed a level of physical fitness is a complete mystery to this clown. Basically police officers of the future will have to pay for their own qualifications before embarking on a police career. AN extension of the current obsession with police degrees. What is is with these clowns and their use of the word ‘COP’?
You worry about bizarre ideas? I’ve a feeling none of us have seen anything yet!
Most forces seem to be doing SC to PC transition, so they’ll get a couple of years policing on the cheap from you.
“Most forces seem to be doing SC to PC transition, so they’ll get a couple of years policing on the cheap from you”
Please, I did the most out in my whole Farce, and PCSOs, admin staff and speed camera operators still take priority…
I’m sorry to hear that, Metrocity have opened up 1000 vacancies and are only taking IPS specials, PCSO’s and “graduates”. I’ll be unable to apply as I won’t be IPS by the deadline, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they moved the goal posts again for the next time they recruit.
“developed a level of physical fitness” … LMFAO over and Over and OVER, again and Again and AGAIN.
Do those ‘degrees’ approximate to the ‘nursing degrees’ where the nurse are too busy to deal with patients??
I actually want to cry when I read this kind of thing.
Indeed. Recent prospective recruits to Metrocity have been treated appallingly. You pretty much have to be a special first, which in itself is outrageous. The only other route is for the current PCSOs to be admitted. I know of several who are due to start training as PCs soon. Each has been trying for years but each has been refused, either because their weight was an issue or because they were a tad too dimwitted. They have now suddenly been accepted but some are going through Hendon in a manner similar to the old residential course whilst others are getting one day off a week to study for some exam, then three (yes, three) weeks training before back to Borough for street duties. What. The. Fuck.
“weight was an issue”
Also utter testicles. A PCSO I used to work with was keen, switched on, bright, hardworking and fit, fitter than a lot of recruits. He passed the fitness test easily, but was still tol he was too fat.
I need to contact you quite urgently Ranter? Email?
What’s up skip? Has Ali D been found hanging in his cell with a large black pudding shoved up his arse and a copy of Iranian Babes open at the centre page? I can dream! (Bit sick I know BUT I HATE the turd).
Ranter – LOL ;0)
“Police Academy’s the world over have clearly got it wrong … police officers of the future will have to pay for their own qualifications before embarking on a police career.”
Actually I believe there are some US states (ie Texas?) where you have to pay your own way through the Academy to get certified. In others you have the option of paying – I guess to avoid being chased by the state for the cost of training if you fail the course?
In my uninformed and fairly useless opinion, I think funding training is an appropriate use of public money, provided it doesn’t end up run by hippies, liberals or sociologists.
1. I am more than happy for my tax money to go towards effective and relevant training for the police, both as student officers and on-going further training in the job.
2. I am more than happy for my tax money to go towards developing a good, structured national-standard training programme (even if couched as a “degree” or similar) as long as it meets the objectives set out in (1) above.
3. I am not happy to my tax money to go towards happy-clappy cuddly liberalism.
The student officer who always stood out to me the most was an ex-military guy. A diplomat and verbal tactician who could quickly take control of situations, yet left you with no doubt that arses could be kicked and names subsequently taken if the need arose. That seemed quite consistent with a lot of the ex-mil students…
(the following sentence is designed specifically to make the liberals wail and grind their teeth over the militarisation of the police)
…so perhaps police recruits should be packed off to the Army Training Regiment for a bit first?
No, not as far as I am aware, but that was a bit below the belt old boy. Behave and email me.
I like the Fed advert. Money well spent as it will piss off Herbert and May.It tells the truth unlike the ACPO ‘more for less rubbish’
Agreed
Chickens coming home to roost.Here in the countries largest force we are now nearly all on the same rota.It doesn’t matter what station is busy when,we all now aligned across the whole city.My station went live last week. PC’s coming in at all different times,all calling up the section Sergeant to ask where they are parading and are there any spare vehicles? It’s chaos but no doubt a senior officer got promoted on the back of it.
Oh yes the first emails of the financial year cancelling rest days,two in April already. Yes there’s no more money,well not until next January when we are desperate to get rid of it again.
Of course, if the Ch. Cons had got together, grown several pairs and told Cameroon to stick his cuts where the sun don’t shine he’d have had to back down..after all, he’s not about to sack 40 plus Ch. Cons.
I would !
You made it into the Torygraph today on the issue of fiddling the stats ..’millions of readers’! Well done.
As for the problem with senior officers, I’ve always believed they promote people out of the way and only promote those who are unlikely to show them up, i.e. only promote those more incompetent than themselves. Hence so many good, competent and able officers are passed over for promotion.. we can all think of them.
Not got the link have you ???
I’m too tight to buy a hard copy when my take home pay is being slashed…
So pleased the Torygraph is up-to-date with its pronouncements! When was the post??
Page 10 of the Telegraph on 5th April. I copied it out as post no. 172 in IG’s last blog but one because he couldn’t find it on the web.
Brilliant piece of work – thanks – I hope ACPO read it and choked on their cornflakes!
Originally posted by SC16 (retired) at the bottom, couple of posts ago;
Page 10: “Police blame burglaries on badgers to fix crime figures, claims inspector”.
A SENIOR police inspector has claimed that offences are routinely “reclassified” by his force – with shed burglaries being recorded as “badger damage” and vandalised windows blamed on frost – in an attempt to massage crime figures.
The officer, whose Police Inspector blog is read by millions of people, says that “crime managers”, whose job it is to give the Home Office figures for detection rates, change offences routinely into non-crimes to make the force look better.
He reveals several tricks, including stolen handbags being listed as “accidentally lost” and smashed car wing mirrors blamed on “stones being thrown up by speeding cars” rather than vandals.
The officer, who works in the South-East of England, wrote on his blog that the crime managers had “breathed a sigh of relief” after handing in their figures at the end of March.
He went on: “Phew. Another financial year over. On F division, we have had a farily substantial team of detectives working on these reclassification and non-validations almost full time since January. Their sole aim will have been to meet the crime reduction and detection targets set by the force.
“The Government thinks we are fools. But we have wiped the floor with their silly police performance games every year since records began.”
He continued: “On the so-called front line, we have been banned from arresting anyone for public order offences, putting any further sexual offences on the system and finding drugs since at least early February. We can do these things if necessary, but it is frowned upon, and at the moment, with everyone above the rank of sergeant having to interview for their own jobs, it does not do to be frowned upon!
“Am I involved in these games? No. Why not? I am at the bottom of the heap in the worst hole in the shire. There’s nowhere they can bust me down to.
***
“The officer, who works in the South-east of England…”
Hmmm, adding weight to my suspicions. It’s JUST like trying to work out who Batman really is. Just be careful if just dude called Mr H STRANGE starts trying to get in contact with you!!
Metro’s version:
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/859949-police-encouraged-to-reclassify-crimes-to-keep-numbers-down
I followed CC’c link to Metro and have discovered an interesting new use for Gloucester police station. The mind boggles!
My first thought was 45 year old male, 27 year old female…..
Player!!!
“”The officer, who works in the South-East of England”"
Won’t be Wiltshire then ???????
Will it???
It’s all “darn sarf” to me !!
Thoughts on the Gloucester police station shagging story. They were discovered by 2 PCSo’s… because they are always in bleedin’ pairs, cheaper to run but walk round in pairs so no saving at all. PC’s however patrol alone – well at least they do here.
51st!!! A bit like what England is if you watch a certain Samuel Jackson/ Bobby Carlysle movie.
Christmas? Surely you mean a Non-Denomanational-Winter-Holiday?
We have had a new syetem come into paly on my borough in Metro City.
Rumour has it that the Spirit of a dead Samurai selected things wheel-of-fortune style.
Just a rumour mind you.
Mmmm 100 officers on patrol at any time in Surrey. It depends what time of day and who you count.
Between 0800 and midnight Monday to Friday, there will be around 50 Neighbourhood officers, 30 detectives and 30 Senior Management. At the weekend that will be 25, 10 and 0 respectively. You will be lucky if half the neighbourhood officers are available to respond to emergency calls and CID and Senior Management will hardly ever do so.
The only team provided to specifically answer 999 calls is of course the Response Team. There are 3 Response hub teams in Surrey and their minimum staffing levels total 45 officers. The teams regularly work at minimum levels and sometimes under.
So, as Response are the only team who will always answer the 999 calls, and the others may or may not depending upon what they are doing, there are far less than 100 officers ready to respond to calls from the public of Surrey. At night and on a Sunday, for example, there will not be anyone working other than Response.
Dear Gadget et al…
..do the expressions: “parochial” and “head up one’s arse” have any special resonance for you?
Not for me especially. Why do you ask? Is it fun? Mind you, doing such an act would of course make one narrowly restricted in scope or outlook. Or then again perhaps it might just broaden your horizons?
Gordon
Does ‘ice and a slice’ have any special resonance for you?
It’s a police blog. Written by a police officer. Read, in the main, by police officers.
I’m not sure why you’re confused as to the nature of the blog’s contents, but if you simply bugger off and die we’ll all be much happier.
New rota went live in the very heart of the capital city last week. Complete shambles. Officers following what is printed on their personal rota and then getting calls from work saying they are two hours (or more) late for work.
Nobody has got a clue what is happening, where they should be or when they should be there.
I despair, I truely do.
I know a Farce that has replaced Response officers with diary appointments. What happened to putting the people first?.
Hubs,Diary appointments and other bollox like that is destroying what I joined a long time ago.
Management?, mismanagement more like.
Job is well and truly fucked.
WA beckons.
I can just imagine dialling 999 then being asked when it would be convenient for somebody to come out. “We have a window in the diary a week next Tuesday”
sounds like my farce !! Dedicated response teams scrapped and almalgmated into neighbourhood . The teams have been sent out to one of 4 outstations to respond from threre.
CIU scrapped so all response will deal with their own prisoners.
2 of the 4 outstations to be sold to property developers.
We are to be responding from a firestation in one instance and a community centre in another !!!!
The community centre has no cctv or secure parking and is in one of the worst areas of town ( I dont think there are any nice areas of my bcu )
The other 2 outstations dont have enough room for the lockers needed and again have no parking areas.
in my new area we have a population of around 40k and on my new neighbourhood section we have 2 full time bobbies a skipper and a part time pregnant bobby.
Dealling with own prisoners, it doesnt take stephen hawkins to deduce that 2 lockups and there is no one to respond to any grade 1 s .
Where as before we had a response team of 14 bobbies plus the neighbourhood bobbies if needed . lock up, quick handover file and back out.
I responded to 16 grade 1,s saturday night and locked up 3 times , d+d. racially aggrivated po and s47, that was with 9 other pandas on duty. Can someone explain to me how this new system will improve our service to the public?
I fear the public have not got a clue what is comming their way in regards to response times and our ability to a half decent job .
http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/news/staffed-control-room-threat-public/article-3412950-detail/article.html
and to make it worse centralised control rooms, this has been tried and abandoned so many times now Ive lost count….
Can you tell me where it had been tried and failed in the past? I’m completely against this centralization, so would be interested to know.
Lancashire 1995 ish…..Blackpool comms went to WACR incorporating Lytham, Fleetwood, Kirkham, Poulton le Fylde too I think.Was sold to us as the best thing since Sunblest and Mothers Pride, lasted almost as long as a sliced loaf too. Now they have divisional comms which is better but still not as effective as sub div control rooms
FFS …
Don’t do centralised Control rooms…
It was a massive failure in our force – but they claim it was a success as “Government pennies” flowed in for successful implementation.
In short, with centralisation you get…
(1) Staff switched divisions so local knowledge goes out the window.
(2) “Team effort” mentality which means someone else can do that
(3) Policy and procedure are the “watchwords” rather than “lets get the bloody job done”
(4) Anyone gets a cold or bug and 50 people are off sick
(5) Loyalty to a shift/relief/division goes
And whilst I’m on a downer…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12972445
They can fuck right off if I,m paying a pfennig towards that load of shite too….
More Strongbow please wife….(eases the pain)
If it is ever introduced we should all flatly refuse to take out a license. Not a single one of us.
Now that is a brilliant idea. What r they going to do? Sack us all? And I don’t think we r far off throwing in those tickets (what do you mean I have no response drivers/public order officers/firearms officers/detectives?) and if everyone has childcare/elderly care/cat care/medical reasons for not being able to stay late? Police anarchy, now there’s a thought. Would we get to vandalise public property tho?
ACPO can go take a run and jump over this – nothing but self serving, money grabbing, backstabbing bastards.
I hope the federation give them an equally blunt response
My Farce implemented all this hub shit and it has failed, spectacularly. The C/C got his next promotion out of it. The current C/C is now in the process of reversing everything using the need to save money as a face saver and to reinvent the wheel claiming it is a new radical concept.
You & I must be in the same farce.
And me.
I’m all for this …
As long as
(1) It is not run by ACPO
(2) I can claim it on expenses
Imagine how fooked some people would be if you had to send in examples of your work to be accredited – perhaps a copy of a file or statements of jobs you are involved in.
Imagine how many people would suddenly have an interest in front line policing.
This idea has potential if we want to “professionalise policing” and more importantly take some “trench dodgers” to task.
Never commented on this website before, but always a good read. As a railwayman, this caught my eye the other day:
http://www.btp.presscentre.com/Media-Releases/CITY-FAN-JAILED-AND-BANNED-FROM-MATCHES-FOR-SIX-YEARS-AFTER-ASSAULTING-OFFICER-141c.aspx
Surely attempted murder?! And only two years!
That was the correct charge for the crime – It carries a maximum of Life imprisonment, same as Attempted Murder.
The ‘Sentencing Guidelines’ on the other hand mean that he was unfortunate to be even locked up.
The Met has just switched to this new shift pattern where each response team has been split into three sub teams with staggered start times which gives more officers on patrol at peak times… Problem is there arent enough cars (and to save money boroughs are having cars taken away from them permanently) this leads to Response teams having loads of Response officers on foot patrol… Which particularly in the larger boroughs means they often cant get to the ‘i’ calls in the required charter time… Needless to say about a week in and it has all gone to s*%t! Thankyou civvie desk jockey who came up with this new pattern.
My *part* of my farce has just switched to the new pattern with squads sub-divided into three and staggered start times. Apart from the extreme fucking of my lifestyle and work/life balance i’m actually looking forward to see how it works with some glee! There’s only one nut holding the wheels on, which is a somehow fitting analogy!
Of course, when it all goes wrong it’ll be our fault for not making it work. . . .
Re “sub teams” – I think you’ll find that MPS (not) probie copywrote the term “mini-teams”. Let’s stick with that!!!
BTW – how’s it going so far?
It won’t last. Not because the vehicle situation is a disaster (on a staggered late ’3pm’ start we don’t leave the yard until 5pm because of it) but because it’s going to cost them a fortune in O/T.
Recalls are ripe for the taking!!
We had the cuts and money saving ideas in the late 70′s. They even had us down to 15miles per shift in the patrol cars which wasn’t that clever as one of the beats was 11 miles from the nick. One call there and your time was up. Can you still disconnect the speedo from under the dash? Our gaffers were convinced the Escorts only did about 3 mpg. Jaysus, I’m glad I’m retired.
In the early 80s we had milage limits. 30 miles per nightshift. Which explains why the station got a phone call from the parish priest early one morning to check we weren’t missing any pandas as there had been one in the church car park driving round in circles in reverse gear for the previous 10 minutes.
Another drive solved the problem by parking the van 2 miles from the station at the end of his shift and getting the bus back up the road to finish off.
I can confirm some Escorts had really low MPG. This was back when police yards had their own petrol pump with a log sheet to record fuel taken. So there was also an enquiry into theft of petrol because of the amount of unlogged fuel going in to the escorts.
Some boss assumed it was getting taken for personal use rather than to get round the mileage limits.
This one really made me laugh; it’s either that or I’d have to cry.
And re a previous comment – Really 30 senior management for 80 people on the street? Really??
A trolley jack and a pair of axle stands were my favourite.
Cars today have electronic gubbins connecting the odometer – So you need a ‘trade’ ‘mileage correction’ program on your laptop and lead for the service socket, not that I have ever done such a thing of course.
My former employers at Taffshire police rammed through this “response hub” system about a tear before I moved.
It was railroaded in by our go-getting DCC who, (if reports are true) when advised by the management consultants she hired, that there were not enough officers for it to work her reply was “they’ll cope”.
It was a shambles, the response guys were run ragged and the Neighbourhood Support lot who dealt with all the paperwork were working in a penal battalion, drowning in a sea of paperwork and handover packages.
Strangely enough, I had an email from a mate back there who tells me that the main architect of all this, now newly promoted to Chief Constable, has now reverted things to the way they were prior to going to the hub system.
You couldn’t make it up.
Funny how ACPO ranks do all that training to come up with bespoke soultions to local problems then we all do exactly the same things at the same time.
Just in the last seven years we all
1 Devolved everything out to BCU commanders;
2 Moved to a neighbourhood led model;
and now
3 Have patrol hubs with response teams and diary teams (although, hush my mouth, I think diary teams may be a better plan than the current anachy of what is laughably called a ‘command and control’ system.
If every single area of the UK always seems to need the same changes to working models at the same time, why do we need 42/54 forces?
“I think diary teams may be a better plan than the current anachy of what is laughably called a ‘command and control’ system.”
Well by mistake they will have a good idea sometime.
If you lock an infinite number of ACPO in a room with an infinite number of type writers – they would be out of harms way…
I wish you’d all stop panicking! everything is fine…. and anyway, the criminal fraternity is also being asked to find 20% cuts too, so like for like we really are all in it together, status quo maintained and confidence continued.
I’m sat in the corner with my pants on my head saying “wibble” for anyone who wants me.
But have you remembered to put pencils in your nostrils? Det Chief Supernintendo Melchett will see straight through your cunning plan otherwise.
Baaaaah!
Is anyone that surprised?? Someone will have been promoted/kept their job on the back of this scheme. It is the same scheme that was tried three schemes ago. We had it in my old force where initially we had all teams sent to outlying nicks where we were basically self contained with everything from a control room to traffic, dogs to CID. A few years of this then it was decided to have one BIG station to serve the local area and 1 control room. A few yeard later someone thought it would be great to get cops into the community so we had all teams sent to outlying nicks where we were basically self contained…..you can fill in the rest yourselves.
As one poster wrote ‘they’ll cope’ and that’s the rub; no matter how useless pointless or dangerous the plans are the guys on the ground make it work. With staff cuts, pension issues etc how long before this stops?
“the guys on the ground make it work”
Perhaps the guys on the ground should stop making it work. Just a thought…
My farce is a whole new world, offices are now empty with the former residents missing. Several functions are now force wide and some shared with another force. No more BCUs just LPAs. The busiest nick has had its custody shut and prisoners now taken 18 miles to a brand new block in a Q part of the county.
RP bases shut, local nicks sold, response still strapped, CID and PCT in chaos specialist functions trimmed back.
LOADS of ACCs tho, HQ still stuffed full of rank and hangers on all in fighting over budgets and control of the new world order.
But it is all good. We must have saved a load of cash as that bloody idiot in No10 has just given 650 million to a country that is a tinkers cuss away from meltdown and in now way a good friend of the UK. Why the ferk should I (you) pay for schools so the goverment/dictator can buy subs from China and fund the bloody taliban shooting at my mates.
It just keeps getting worse and worse. YES we needed to make cuts across the over bloated public services but Dave and May have ferked it up big time by trusting the senior management to cut waste not service. They are the bloody waste….
Bangs head repeatedly.
I believe that we are in the same area…..unless I’m the “another force”
There’s a lot of people that seem to work in GMP on this blog !!!
Ah, not me then.
I am considerably southern.
not sure you will be as far south as me…..:-))
Talking to former SP colleagues, there is nothing proposed about “centralisation” it has been operating this way for 12 months or so. Threre are no longer divisions, north,east, west, just the whole county now.
When all Staines Targeted Patrol Team ” response” to the rest of us a nice title brought in under Sir des OConnor are committed on ICAD’s , the nearest available unit which could be as far away as Oxted, having started their shift at Reigate will be deployed to the next Grade 1, thats more like 35 miles! or 6 junctions on the wonderful M25
Staines, Guildford and Reigate are the only designated detention centres, likewise when one of these is full or closed, then prisoner’s have to be taken to one of the other two on the other side of the county.
Epsom in its last year as a DDC handled over 1,000 prisoners but was closed years ago as it apparently didnt pay its way, so a twenty minute drive to Staines, time petrol etc- another false economy by SP
As far as the £1000, per annum for petrol, when I was there it was £100 per month as well as several hundred pounds pa for Buildings insurance and car insurance, so the truer figure is closer to £1,500 pa for 1,854 officers.
I’m sure these benefits are still in place but not for probationer constables
Lastly, the sale of police stations to fund extra officers, 200 allegedly is a smoke screen to justify their actions. They are being funded by the forced retirement of officers having completed 30 years service not by the sale of police stations, Sp conducted a thorough survey regarding the number of visitors to these stations, claiming they were few and far between, not surprisingly this is true because the openening hours were slim to say the least
Surrey’s fuel/rail subsidy was introduced because probies were heading off to the Met as soon as they were able, drawn by the extra casho.
Now you’ve got to be in for five years before they’ll give it to you…I wonder how many will stick around?
all of these cuts, rules, excess stick and no carrot, constant criticism, over accountability etc only means one thing – a worse service to the public
I used to work at Staines when it was still a part of the Met and even then (late 80s) I found it bizarre that the Surrey coppers who were based in Egham, just over the river, were getting paid a lot less than us through not getting all the London allowances and weighting.
No wonder a lot of them were exchanging their blue shirts for white ones.
Never did see Ali G in all my time there.
And another old but new recipe from ACPO/Neyruth:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/apr/05/white-male-culture-dominates-police
They may fail repeatedly, but that only gives them the further opportunity to fail more spectacularly in the future.
what a weapons grade throbber !
“what a weapons grade throbber !”
I am using this for the rest of the week…
“It also quotes estimates of 11 years before there is 7%, the national average in the community, of black and minority ethnic officers in the senior ranks, and a further seven and a half years to achieve that across the whole of the police.”
So? So what?!
This is not a ‘White male dominated culture’ anymore. This is down to recruiting problems and the culture in ethnic minorities. We need better PR to recruit more from these groups.
And what is the obsession with ethnic percentages?! Do they want a police force with more ethnic minorities than is the percentage in the population?!
Our force was criticised for not having a national average of ethnic minorities. Hardly surprising, at the time the whole county had very few among its population, apart from a few Chinese, Eastern Europeans and Kenyan/Ugandan Asians, who all had better ways to earn a living than joining the Force.
surely if we’re supposed to be all ‘irrespective of race or religion’ etc, then all this crap shouldnt matter.
But then again it seems to only work one way
How dare they say this.
Now pop along and stick the kettle on love OK?
Neyroud seems to be fighting himself in this article. He wants police to fund their own trianing and sit an exam to pre-qualify for entry to the polce force but then his people have assessed that plan for equality and decided that sitting an exam could “hamper the recruitment of women and black and minority ethnic groups.”
How? are women and BME people not as clever, can’t they do well in exams? the best bit is that after saying he thinks we need the “pre-entry qualification” to improve policing he thinks we can get round it to improve the chances of woman and BME applicants “Neyroud argues however that it will be possible to have several routes, including a college-based route, to the entry qualification to ensure that everyone was able to qualify.”
It’s a simple system – same entry tests for everyone – simples that way there is no discrimination not even against us SWM’s.
Anyone who seriously believes that BME officers and women are somehow held back in the police force has obvioulsy never worked in the police force. My farce occasionally beats itself with a birch branch over the fact that women are under represented on specialist departments like traffic, firearms, air support and support unit. A female colleague summed this up brilliantly “we’re not being held back but there are simply less women interested in fast cars, guns, helicopters and fighting” true enough but uncomfortable reading for equality types.
I wonder if anyone will look at the PolAcc stats say 1 year after each force goes to the Hub and no outlying stations model……. seems to me that if all the officers are going to be hubbed they will be much further from their “shouts”, will have to blue light and drive faster for longer distances to get there in charter times so that prangs may well be higher…… the bobbies don’t get to the call anyway, get phucked over by the Garage Sergeant for the PolAccs, the cars are 54′d and cost a lot to mend/replace……..nobody is happy and the anti-police mob have even more crashes to complain about.
……? Law of Unintended consequences, perhaps?
In my small town, there’s going to be a lack of cover from when one shift heads back to base to when the next shift arrives. I fear the bad people will soon work this out.
opps
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-12985339
“The force said the radios were disabled…” :O
Surely that should have said “rendered inoperable”.
tattyfalarr – LOL ;0)
They also stole the toilets too. Strathclyde Police said they had nothing to go on.
This post mirrors exactly what is occurring in my Very Ruralsville Farce. Hubs miles from town, Traffic Dept scrapped, rural police stations devoid of any Response staff, marked cars removed from the front line. Don`t worry though, things can only get worse.
I will happily pay a subscription for being an officer:
If the organisation responsible take over from the fed, provide me will full legal cover, health insurance and fight my corner like psychotic zealots against the cps, psd and ipcc.
If you think this new proposal to jack up ACPO funding, support and incorporate the Supt’s and ACC’s who will have no jobs as a result of the soon to be disbanded NPIA will do any of those things, you are very sadly mistaken!
Sir, You have a fan on twitter.
?
sounds like my farce !! Dedicated response teams scrapped and almalgmated into neighbourhood . The teams have been sent out to one of 4 outstations to respond from threre.
CIU scrapped so all response will deal with their own prisoners.
2 of the 4 outstations to be sold to property developers.
We are to be responding from a firestation in one instance and a community centre in another !!!!
The community centre has no cctv or secure parking and is in one of the worst areas of town ( I dont think there are any nice areas of my bcu )
The other 2 outstations dont have enough room for the lockers needed and again have no parking areas.
in my new area we have a population of around 40k and on my new neighbourhood section we have 2 full time bobbies a skipper and a part time pregnant bobby.
Dealling with own prisoners, it doesnt take stephen hawkins to deduce that 2 lockups and there is no one to respond to any grade 1 s .
Where as before we had a response team of 14 bobbies plus the neighbourhood bobbies if needed . lock up, quick handover file and back out.
I responded to 16 grade 1,s saturday night and locked up 3 times , d+d. racially aggrivated po and s47, that was with 9 other pandas on duty. Can someone explain to me how this new system will improve our service to the public?
I fear the public have not got a clue what is comming their way in regards to response times and our ability to a half decent job .
Oh and on sunday , out of the 12 response pandas, only 6 where usable, the rest where off the road awaiting one repair or another.
Excuse me, I am just popping out, I may be some time !
Those of us who have been in a while, can see that this is all just recycled shite, by the next high flyer, who thinks no-one will notice that that it has all been done before under a different corporate bullshit name!!!! Soooo depressing!
Tossers the lot of them!
It’s FUBAR this time though !!
I’ve spent 25 years working for other people’s CV’s.
We’ve gone nowhere in that time.
The difference this time is that staff numbers on the front line have been stripped to an all time low.
And now they’re taking serious amounts of money out of my wage packet.
I’m not taking part in any more recycling projects.
Fook ‘em all !
On an unrelated note, who’s been following the Tomlinson inquest? I’ve been reading the transcripts day by day, so I feel pretty well informed about it and – much as I was hoping PC Harwood was finally going to come out with a decent explanation of his actions, I am finally coming round to the view that he is a violent and out-of-control man who was so desperate to get stuck in to what he thought was going to be a great big fun TSG scrap that he left his post, shoved several people around with much reason, and ended up assaulting an innocent man with absolutely no justification.
I’ve been defending him for two years, saying that we don’t know the full circumstances and we shouldn’t judge him until we’ve heard his side of the story. Well, now we have, and it’s rubbish.
Well, if I was his defence team, I’d be getting quietly hammered in the nearest bar right about now.
The only time I’ve seen people completely destroy the last shred of credibility they possessed that thoroughly, it was in movies about trials. Fiction.
I didn’t think it actually happened in real life…
Pretty well exactly what I was thinking last night.
He does seem to be digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole.
Going by the evidence at the inquest, the only uniform that the thug Harwood is fit to wear is a prison uniform, but that’s not going to happen, is it? Thank you, CPS.
I dont think he deserves prison for one push with unfortunate consequences on someone with a pre-existing condition.
Im sure he’ll be sacked though.
I do – being a rather suspicious and cynical old cow – believe that he’s laying the groundwork for an ‘incapacity’ defence at his inevitable internal fitness hearing…
We’re of an age yer know….less of the “old” if you please
Word on the street is that the Isle Of Wight prisons will be going banzai shortly…
Just halt the ferry crossings. Problem solved
Turn the whole Island into a prison….
And why not ? The UK is practically an Open Prison anyway.
Just stopping the ferries won’t work, you can swim the solent in a couple of hours, and a mahoosive fence would just look unsightly.
Escape from Ryde: Pliskin on Holiday just doesn’t have the same appeal…
PSNI have nicked someone for the murder of PC Kerr, and made a large weapons find.
Note it was a Det Super who lead the media when the incident was new and now they have a body in and some weapons, it’s an ACC on the news?
Typical ACPO.
Gadget, on this occasion, this is one ACPO officer I have time for. ACC Drew Harris is one of our best if not the best senior officers we have, and I really don’t mind him taking the lead on this. I served at Drumcree with him, he was a Bronze Commander then, and he took no shit from either side, and let the MSU’s(TSG)do the job they were trained to do. His father was a serving Superintendant, when he was murdered in the same way as Const Ronan Kerr outside his home in Lisburn, in the early 80′s. He is a Coppers Cop, and he is the best hope we have for a sensible way forward, but knowing our luck, some other Farce will grab him as a CC.
The point still stands though.
I wonder if he would have been in the press if the job had gone “tits up”.
Doubt it!
No, don’t forget gadget’s mantra – all officers more senior than gadget are foolish, incompetent, untrustworthy, possibly corrupt, and definitely self-serving.
I love the blog but, let’s face it, it’s kind of become the Daily Mail of police blogs. Numerous complex issues are cleverly distilled down to some simplistic and often hysterical posturing, because it’s what keeps the punters interested.
Personally I think that all officers above the rank of PC are “foolish, incompetent, untrustworthy, possibly corrupt, and definitely self-serving”.
However, I suspect the punters on this blog are interested because most, if not all, of what is written on it rings true in Police forces up and down the entire country – simplified or not.
“However, I suspect the punters on this blog are interested because most, if not all, of what is written on it rings true in Police forces up and down the entire country – simplified or not.”
Exactly. Why do you think so many people read the Daily Mail?! It all ‘rings true’ to them.
Yes – but the DM is based around an ideology of populism and (more importantly) half-truths. The fact that most of what IG writes is true doesn’t make it populism.
Not comparable IMHO.
The DM is based around a selective interpretation of the truth, picking and choosing stories and coverage to suit what will please its readership, and conform to the world-view that they generally already have.
IMHO, that is exactly what gadget does.
(reply is in the wrong place, sorry. Was in response to your message at 10:42)
I dont find that article ‘very sensible’ at all. It uses the current en vogue apparent insult of ‘Plod’ to refer to us and then in keeping with a multitude of ignorant commentators examining numbers on duty does not accept that in order to provide 24/7 policing that a certain proportion of the workforce must always be off duty!
Denis O’Connor hand wrings and criticises but lets be honest- a huge amount of the bureaucracy and performance culture which ties policing up was created not only on his watch but by his own choice. The HMIC didnt *have* to use the policing pledge to create new performance targets, they chose to do it because they saw the writing on the wall for policing QUANGOs unless they become effectively a ‘Which?’ guide to policing and consumer rights. They have more to gain from constant criticism of the Police than most and he is wheeled out now just to fulfil this role.
The Wire had it right when they showed how politicians (and sadly politicians can be both police officers-as though that needs clarifying) get elected or promoted and suddenly consider themselves experts on Law and Order.
So seperated from reality, they are the least qualified to pass comment.
Personally, I liked “Hamsterdam”
Quite a lot of where I work is like Hamsterdam. No one up the chain wants to take credit for it though?!
Thought you might like this, from our weekly update from our local PCSO (we don’t have a proper copper round here).
My guess is that ‘frontline policing’ won’t be much affected by the cuts; the coppers will still be baed in Cambridge, 30 minutes away, rather than Newmarket, 6 minutes away.
“Monday and Tuesday I had days off. I could catch up with my house work.
On Wednesday I started my shift with some paperwork. Then I conducted enforcement parking control in Soham,but everybody was parking like they should do.
I visited all schools on my beat and spoke to headteacher about a bike event I will organize in the future.I would like kids to bring along to school their bikes so I can mark them and registered them for immobilizer.I informed them of a spate of thefts of shed contents in the County. As the better weather approaches, it is a good time to take stock of the items in your shed and/or garages.
The retrieval of stolen goods is never easy. To stand any chance of being reunited with your stolen possessions it is essential that they are accurately and indelibly marked. Cataloguing and Property Marking are essential not only in helping the police to trace your goods, but also – if recovered – in proving indisputable ownership. I suggested that if you do not have specialist equipment you may use permanent markers to record a unique identity on your possessions such as your house number plus post code.
On Thursday I went to see children from nursery in Cheveley School.I stopped in recreation ground to have a chat with dog walkers.It was very interesting to find out few issues they had with their neighbour’s dog.In Stetchworth on the High Street I issued a parking ticket for obstruction on the pavement.I have informed the residents in the past in local link about fines for parking on pavements and I was hoping it wont happen again,but there always will be one or two who forgets this.
At lunch time I went to see kids from Ditton Lodge Primary School in Newmarket.They like to see me with uniform on and they feel comfortable in my company.From there I pop into Sheriff Court in Burrough Green to see scheme manager and few residents.Elderly people like to know that police is about and they feel more secure.
On Friday on my patrol I issued another parking ticket in our village.This time it was High Street in Cheveley.I then had a meeting with residents in Jubilee Court,Stetchworth.I spoke with them about crime prevention and they looked like they were very interested.
Tea time I had to go to Soham to do foot patrol with others PCSO’s.I issued parking ticket for parking on double yellow line.I stopped 3 kids with alcohol and we confiscated and issued a GAP letters to parents informing them about their child behaviour.
On Saturday was a long day – 11 hours on duty.Couple hours I spent in the station to complete monthly report for Parish Councillors and Links for villages.Then I issued parking ticket in Burwell and on Duchess Drive,Newmarket for obstruction on the pavement. I went to help with search for motorbike riding on private land without permission in Soham – positive result. The rest of my shift I spent in Soham.
On Sunday I issued 2 parking tickets:in Duchess Drive,Newmarket and in Fordham for parking on pavement.This is really sad that message about me issuing tickets in our villages didn’t get to all people.I put this in e-cops and local links.I visited few residents in Stetchworth,Ashley and Cheveley – victim of crimes in the past just to see if they used my advise about security.I delivered some more e-cops leaflets in Newmarket and dealt with job in Ely.For last couple of hours I conducted foot patrol in Soham.”
FFS…I am lost for words
What he said!
Don’t forget that the funding for your trusty PCSOs is guaranteed for at least another 2 years by central government. They’ll keep those parking criminals on their toes for you until then.
I think the Cambs Police ‘dog blog’ is actually slightly better reading – at least it’s in grammatically correct English!
In her defence, she’s not a native English speaker…
Can someone just remind me how much they earn again?
Pretty much the same as a new PC, One who can work after midnight, arrest people, do the files, drive on blues and twos etc etc – all the things PCSOs can’t, but are somehow held in higher esteem by this and the last govt. Value for money analysis anybody?
We are getting rid of seasoned detectives on A19 for the likes of these ticket issuing pink and fluffy ……..
oh what’s the point !!!!
That is MUCH more than a Westminster C3PO does.
WTF? Truely speechless.
It’s got to be a wind up, please tell me it’s a wind up, please.
If it’s not, you’re doomed I tell you, doomed.
They get £25K for this type of work up North. Ours don’t do tickets, have no targets, can’t crime a job, can’t take statements, can’t investigate crime, can’t sit a crime scene unless a PC is present as they have no powers to stop someone from entering a scene, they more or less can’t search people, can’t check the insurance of a driver. All they can do is reassure the public………value for money, I don’t think so.
I have to call “wah” on this.
Please tell me it is a wah?
Please..?
No wah, sorry.
That PCSO will work the Newmarket area but will be based in ELY, which is a tad further north than Cambridge as Duchess Drive is actually in Cambridgeshire and not Suffolk (according to the map..)
Now, now, chaps, that’s not a bad story for a 10 year old. Didn’t you do the “What I did in my holidays” essay when you were at school? Oh, hang on a minute, are they recruiting them that young? No wonder FRH hasn’t asked for a photograph
Somewhat ‘off topic’ (apart from ‘the cuts’) – but an interesting article in today’s “Merto”
// As the 30th anniversary of the Brixton riot approaches on Sunday, Metro notes that a royal wedding, public spending cuts and growing anger towards ‘the establishment’ – the same situation we have today – is the same backdrop against which the riot erupted. //
Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/lifestyle/860051-a-royal-wedding-spending-cuts-and-anger-triggered-the-brixton-riot#ixzz1IldVHmgd
Quote “Operation Swamp 81 invaded the streets of Brixton and searched young people without reason. They were primarily black but also white.
‘My own view is there was police premeditation in the riots. There were 2,500 officers in Brixton on Saturday, April 11, so there must have been some degree of organisation for that number. ” – Ted Knight, Former Lambeth Council Leader.
GRRRR!
Ted Knight – still wasting oxygen !
That’ll be the same level of premeditation that was stockpiling petrol bomb weeks before the riots happened….
Nice balanced article. Not.
BBC Londo tonight story about ambulance called to north London heart attack in high risk area having to wait 100 mins for police escort. Heart attack victim suffered brain damage as a result. Nothing to do with cuts, this happened 5 years ago. I thought residents had to be told by local police service if they were in high risk area. Guess how much compo victim is about to receive from met ?
Compo from the Met? Or the NHS? And it is only right that money be paid to this woman, a former researcher at King’s College, who was but an innocent victim of incompetence.
AZZ, as one who has some knowledge of the volume of 999 calls received in the MPD I can assure you that at certain times of day there would be an LAS crew requires assistance type call arriving at about five minute intervals. These were not repeat calls to the same location but were scattered all over London. A couple of years ago LAS would regularly have problems dealing with the sheer volume of 999 calls received. I doubt the situation has changed.
Ex Chief,
I understand that there are many more 999 calls than should occur and that you cannot get to all of them. It appears to me that the problem with the case outlined above, is that, the LAS intelligence data base was out of date by two years. (So it would appear.) Where did they get that sort of ‘intelligence’ from? And who would be responsible for ensuring that the data is up to date and accurate? A requirement under several acts of law.
why the hell should she be paid out by the Met? If there’s no one available then theres no one left? sorry but this will happen a lot more often soon.
Ambos wont go in to a risky situation without police, police will be – already are – overstretched.
Blame the govt for under resourcing, blame the police senior management for spending more on community focus diversity management performance compliance accountability best practice strategy dpartments instead of real coppers…….
some say by suing them you will make them focus on police on the street….. you wont, you’ll just get some local borough skipper/insp in the shite and they’ll carry on as before.
The ambulance trust have already admitted responsibility for the mistakes and listed 11 errors that were made which contributed to the incident. The Met won’t be paying out a penny as there was no liability found or even suggested against the police, do yourself a favour and don’t believe everything the Daily Fail, or the Metro (produced by the Daily Fail) publish.
I dont read the Mail, I was simply responding to the post above.
The LAS are truly f*cked already.
we think we’re chasing our tails, they are really screwed on all levels.
Sorry dude that was a response to Mike
Ah right o.
I believe there’s a memorandum of understanding between us and the LAS to stop this sort of incident happening. I limited sharing of intel etc
Having worked for surrey police for over ten years I can say with some conviction..were F##ked!
The selling of our police stations and centralisation of units will only lead to a poorer service to the public
I wont go into specifics as its a public site but the actual numbers of plod on duty at any one time is a shocker
Well as a London based MOP, let me have a guess at that figure. I’d say that on an outer London borough there might be 14 officers on duty and an inner borough, around 24?
@Sgt S – As a former officer in Surrey, I am pleased to point out that the CC says-
// Rest assured the changes do not affect emergency response teams which continue to operate as normal. For more information please visit our website at http://www.surrey.police.uk or call xxxxx//
[Direct quote from the Surrey "Neighbourhood News" leaflet delivered to homes last week = 'Public Domain']
The headline and ‘news item’ reads-
//Changes to protect police officer numbers -
Surrey Police is making changes in order to meet the current budget deficit and increase the number of frontline police on our streets.
The force remains committed to the target of recruiting an additional 200 police constables, with almost 100 added last year and 100 more planned by 2012.
To achieve this we are reducing senior officers, managers, and non¬operational staff and reviewing old and under-used buildings.
Front counters services at Ash and Ripley will end in March. Safer Neighbourhood Teams formerly based at Ripley will have a base at East Horsley while those at Ash Police Station are currently looking for a new local base.
Guildford’s teams already share offices with colleagues at the borough council offices. Guildford Police Station continues as a main operational base and the front counter services there remain open.
Meanwhile, local teams will continue to hold regular panels and surgeries in the places communities told us they wanted to meet//
Yes – Surrey IS the force that I referred to in “Police Performance” on April 3rd as saying //We are always keen to hear from constables and sergeants who may be interested in joining us.//
Reading these posts about the adoption of these ‘new’ grand schemes makes me smile, it’s like I’m reading one of the emails managment keep sending out about the up and coming reshuffle coming our way in June.
Except they all think it’s the bollox and it’s all going to be ace.
Well except for the email from Fantasy Island, or Force Head Quarters as it’s otherwise known, from one of the top bosses.
If you read between the lines of what was written it said, it’s not gonna work and it’ll all go wrong but it’s expected that YOU LOT are expected to make it work, so make you YOU make it work
First!
lol
I’m sorry, I laughed. Then I laughed some more. Then I checked the date.
Bugger. It isn’t the first any more.
Don’t these twats realise that the ship has sunk and we are on the lifeboats?
“This is a moment for radical change in the approach to police leadership and training.”quote from Peter Neyroud.
Just had to put that in print to see how crass it looks and typical of the what I call ‘New wave, 5 minute clueless ideas brigade’ who have spread like a growth in the service.
Rather than being liars or dishonest which we Police can’t be, we(senior management) will think up endless stupid ideas enforce them indiscriminately then withdraw them after huge financial cost(on the way gaining several promotions) systematically destroying morale and previous good working practices established over time.
In other words living a lie which is just as bad as being dishonest.
Detective Miggins – In other words living a lie which is just as bad as being dishonest – spot on.
The front line Officers are just a pawn in a game of unspeakable deception.
On a lighter note I completed a 3 Document Risk Assessment today for (you’ll never guess):
Pedal Cycle Training in a Public Park.
I did have a chuckle at writing up Control Measures for “Dog Mess” and “Extreme Weather” but struggled
with “Rabid Squirrels” and “Excited Ducks”.
I should have included them as no-one will actually read this complete and utter gibberish, which reminds me it’s PDR time again!
What’s going on in Surrey is going on in my Farce too. We are selling off a load of nicks, which will come as a shock to local people who haven’t yet been told, and vehicles have been removed from the frontline. Response are all being booted out to ‘hubs’ and as it is we are suffering a crimewave of violent burglaries, nasty robberies and every other call is a suspects on or sus persons. Personally I hope the wheel comes well and truely off noww. The crime figures have been lied about for a long time and with this the service to the public and our capability as crimefighters eroded by self-serving spineless ‘managers’ impersonating police officers. We are no longer fit for purpose. If the wheel comes off and the public start to sit up and take notice, then pricks like Cameron, May and all of ACPO might be in for the bullet. Sadly it is the public who will suffer in the interim. I feel sorry for anyone who is relying on the police for protection. I wouldn’t bother ringing the job for anything such is my lack of faith in the service we provide. This is not to detract from the good work of those on the frontline, but we are all fucked off and morale and goodwill are gone. And this is before the pay freeze and pension hike start to bite.
More recently despite us having our priority as ‘saving money’ we could still find a bucket load of cash for bullshit end of financial year operations and now have a massive drive on for detections. Frontline officers are being treated with even more contempt by SMT (if that’s even possible) and I am seeing more and more blatant instances of bullying and management trying to bully people into working overtime for TOIL instead of pay……which they know full well is illegal.
I am sick and tired of the job, more so now than I have been in a while. The job is nothing to do with fighting crime or protecting people, but all to do with collecting figures and promoting people; the wrong people.
Job is fucked, maybe now people will actually realise.
Hi Inspector,
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Are you yet another journo?
Whisper it quietly but an ACPO near me have already expressed fears that the design and implementation team they appointed have got IT absolutely and horribly wrong.
IT being the new Hub system which appears to be the national fad.
The quietly whispering (but rather loudly bricking it) ACPO are believed to be preparing a 3 month review phase which will allow them to gracefully exit IT with as little loss of face as possible.
The design and implementation team meanwhile are quietly whispering (and very loudly bricking it) that this volte face could seriously jeopardise their expectations of the next rank they were promised when they began their designing last year.
Meanwhile Mrs Jones has rung in to complain that she’s been called a fat slag on facebook again. Mrs Jones is 18 stone and has 5 boyfriends.
“The solution is to immediately sack everyone above the rank of Inspector and start again, preferably with myself in charge of the whole lot. I would start the cull at Chief Inspector to avoid my own demise, after all, Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.”
I always thought it was “the British Army really runs on Sergeants”. So, with the logic that “2nd Lieutenant = Inspector” surely the Inspectors are the first for the ‘bayonet in the fundament’ treatment? >-)
Unless you consider we don’t have Cpl/Snr PC ranks?
Whilst on face value the system works in Surrey, it doesn’t. The target patrol team (TPT) are vastly under staffed. To make it appear to work, they bat jobs off as attention drawns or pass it to neighbourhoods to deal. Bring old style policing back, get rid of the CPS and make officer wallers come out to the real world!
The inverted pyramid system is always better. Let those who actually police decide the best way to police. ACPO haven’t a clue because they have never policed.
I can forgive anyone for being genetically stupid but ACPO compound their stupidity by being reckless and self-serving.
ACPO et al have placed the Service into the arena with the lions -shame on them.
“Doxon of Dick Green
The inverted pyramid system is always better. Let those who actually police decide the best way to police. ACPO haven’t a clue because they have never policed.
I can forgive anyone for being genetically stupid but ACPO compound their stupidity by being reckless and self-serving.
ACPO et al have placed the Service into the arena with the lions -shame on them.”
The ACPO was set up and supported by the Establishment for this very purpose. Don`t forget that it is staffed by (a certain type of) Police Officers.
Thank you Farquar, they were indeed however there are Police Officers, those at the pointy end who can be of immense help to the future of policing, and there are Police Officers, who have idled their time trying to usurp each other with the next crackpot idea and through their service avoided anything to do with core Policing.
In my view, a massive difference.
Doxon is spot on.
We have lost 8 vehicles at district in the last month to save costs. All these vehicles were used by frontline officers ie duty group & SNTs. We are fighting for cars to get to jobs 4 miles away to meet targets. it is a nightmare!
“Heroic police and firefighters protected from health and safety laws, says CPS”
[Daily Telegraph 07-04-11]
//Officers carrying out “heroic acts” without regard to their own safety will in future be protected from charges.
New CPS guidance said it is not in the public interest to prosecute, providing no one else is put at risk.
The move follows a pledge by the Coalition to clear the health and safety barriers that have prevented some police and firefighters from doing their job.//
http://tinyurl.com/69r4y4f
AIUI, this refers (only?) to possible ‘breaches’ of s7 of HASAWA74 -
“General duties of employees at work”
It shall be the duty of every employee while at work—
(a)to take reasonable care for the health and safety of himself and of other persons who may be affected by his acts or omissions at work; and
(b) as regards any duty or requirement imposed on his employer or any other person by or under any of the relevant statutory provisions, to co-operate with him so far as is necessary to enable that duty or requirement to be performed or complied with.
“The move follows a pledge by the Coalition to clear the health and safety barriers that have prevented some police and firefighters from doing their job.”
Maybe I’m just getting cynical in my old age, but I think this is just a shrewd move to give ‘Police Managers’/Government Ministers the green light to put frontline cops at even greater risk with less fear of repercussions.
I agree!
I meant to head that with -
“Between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place?”
I think this lot could do a better job: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amrD1xbF0QI Certainly, I feel like I might as well go to work on that basis. . . . . . meanwhile our so called leaders are about to become a professional body and demand we give them money (called subscriptions). Surely this ongoing fraud has finally ticked all the ‘points to prove’ ? It must be in the public interest to do something . . . . . actually it is and is why (dare I say it – well I dare) I actually support elected police commissioners purely on the simple basis that they can’t possibly **** it up any more than the people who have be in charge up to now and you never know they might just inject some reality into 43 x ‘dream factories’ around the country
IMHO where everyone on this blog is getting it wrong is by regarding ACPO as “tossers” “Idiots” etc and claiming that they don’t know what they are doing.Nothing can be further from the truth-they know EXACTLY what they are doing.There is a plan a very cunning plan and that is to destroy the concept of “constable” and to replace it with a privatised service.The plan started back in the late eighties after the miners strike when the politicians suddenly realised that the police could be “bought” for political gains-however of course the problem was that a large number of officers at the time weren’t buying into it-we had an independent status and freedom of action/inaction as a constable.This was held up several times in the courts when the Govt tried to change our conditions of service and when the public effectively told the govt where to go over Sheehy.The plan was then to undermine the “brand” of the police and to present everything in a bad light.This was exacerbated when Labour came to power bribing senior officers with large bonuses and using the McPherson report to impose their thoughts and prejudices on the police.Senior officers were chosen not on their skills but whether or not they were politically acceptable to Labour and would follow their agenda.Ian Blair was the personification of this.The plan was then concealed from the public and police by making ACPO a private company and thus being free from the FOI Act.ACPO became the source of policing policy even though there was no democratic input and imposed fiddling and fraud on a massive scale on forces in order to prop up the Labour govt.In addition we have seen the hobnobbing with newspaper editors by ACPO in order for their “spin” to get into the papers to put the police in a bad light.The last few years has seen the recruitment of PCSOs and many less than able individuals to the service which coupled with imposed targets and arrest/detection rates has alienated the police from the public.Now the final brick is in place with the closure of lots of police stations and the slashing of the wage bill and officer numbers.This means it is more likely that a private provider would take on the police as there will be reduced fixed costs.Finally how can we ensure that these private security firms will reach the “standard”-easy lets have a registration scheme administered by ACPO so that you dont need “constables” at all.The training and provision of individuals can be accredited by ACPO who make a fortune.Lastly of course with individual officers “registered” to a professional body it will be easy to get rid of those officers who dont toe the line or insist on investigating properly-investigating child abuse which leads into the corridors of power?you will get the chop-dodgy expenses by MPs-you get the chop-Fiddling by managers-you get the chop.Dont think it will happen?-then look at various whistleblowers over the last few years-all chopped never to work again.
My advice-if you have your time in -go-if not keep your head down do your best don’t get suckered into putting yourself on the line and remember-every day is another nearer retirement.
Best of luck and stay safe
What he said. I believe that the plan (if there is one) is for policing in the UK to move towards a multi-tiered system, for example local authorities can put their policing out to tender and Group 4, Reliance, Serco or Omni Consumer Products can bid to provide a competitive service. These companies will provide low level policing. However being private and wanting to make a profit I can see that they will make a play for parking enforcement and traffic enforcement. Then listen to the whinges of the public as the FPN’s are handed out.
Above this will be the police roughly as we know them today but they will only be used for ‘harder’ aspects of law enforcement. Despite the failures of the past there will be an attempt to create a British FBI (again).
The bad press is nothing more than news management to turn the public against the police and it is working. As the Sgt says we will have a system whereby powerful individuals or groups will be able to manipulate law enforcement as they see fit.
As the old song says ‘you don’t know what you got till it’s gone’ and the British public are about to find out.
Totally agree.
But I seriously do think in the next couple of months things are going to go seriously Breasts Skywards.
Riots galore and we will not be able to deal with those when combined with a non existent front line.
I truly believe the public should demand more- in terms of “get those WOFTAMs off the streets and get me some coppers to chase bad guys and stop me being burgled”
Isn’t this more like the model in a lot of European countries and Australia though, where the local police are little more than security guards, then you have the Federal Police or whatever who do the serious investigating, surveillance, organised crime etc?
On the other hand, I’d be happy for OCP to come in with a bid, can I do a bit of foot patrol with ED-209?
Very good post. We are seeing the “coporatisation” of our way of life. Placemen and placewomen are insitu in Parliament and in other strategic departments of state (including the Police) whose job is to bring the agenda to fruition. How many here have complained about the Tories being a disappointment? Did people really believe that the last election would truly provided a choice? Did people really think that when George Osborne met with Peter Mandleson on Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska`s yatch (Derpaska is often cited as Russians richest man and is connected with Nathaniel Rothschild ) that they were there to simply soaking up the Mediterranean sun? Mandleson is famously quoted as saying “We are now entering the post-democratic age” and he is correct. A ruling plutocracy has been formed once again and the instrument of debt has been utilised to frustrate opposition. The property bubble was triggered to force people to mortgage their future on stupidly high levels of borrowing and to thereby keep them in line. The threat of forclosure due to the loss of employment be it through redundancy or because of the acquisition of a criminal record for rioting works wonders on us all!
The rich will be secure in their gated communities, the rest will have to look for themselves-except that most law abiding people have been disarmed post Dunblane etc etc, so a bleak future of servitude and crime awaits us all, interspersed with baubles such as a Royal Wedding or the Olympics.
Another Brilliant Post, Maybe In am Sane after all!.
As much as I have my own concerns about policing in this country from a “middle left” perspective, I do not want to see any further privatisation of the police service. I have noticed Glasgow City Council have began to employ more community support officers, who are indistinguishable form police officers except for the colour of the checkers on their hats.
These people are doing a very dangerous job for less money than regular police and with changes to health and safety legislation in the pipe line, it does set a few alarm bells off about further deregulation in all aspects of public services, for the primary purpose of making money for already very rich private companies.
With regards to Glasgow city council employing people “To walk the beat ” in our town centre late at night, I would be less concerned if these services were going to stay within the council’s remit.
This doesn’t seem likely, given the surge towards tendering out that has been going on with other services, such as leisure and sport, city building and property letting.
I have the feeling that the community patrols are being primed, in order for private security firms to take over. As much as I have my concerns about aspects of policing. I do believe that the police must be kept within the public domain and I am very concerned about the creeping almost pre metastasis stage we are entering into with regards to public services being devoured by a relentless ideology.
In my career we’ve gone from serious, independent Chief Constables – not afraid to tell the government where to get off – to a bunch self serving managers with no real concept of policing or the office of constable. The real rot set in around 2001 to 2003, when David Blunkett went out of his way to get a couple of Chief Constables (Sussex and Humberside) removed, thereby ensuring ACPO towed the party line.
McPherson, targets, league tables, HMIC, crime recording rules, removal of discretion plus many more initiatives all done to improve confidence have had the exact opposite effect.
We’re run ragged because everything these days is ‘criminal’ – no matter how minor. Anyone who thinks we live in a free country and have freedom of speech is sadly mistaken.
Without public support, the government can do what they want. Unfortunately, the majority of police officers want to serve and because of this, no matter how bad things get we’ll make things work and our public support will drop further.
The UK police, once the best in the world, respected by the vast majority of the British public, is now a laughing stock.
Brilliant Post RS! I couldn`t have put it better myself,I feel that inadvertantly most cops have not identified the enemy within (ACPO) and have stood back without realising the significance of the PCSO role which has undermined the office of Constable, they have been mixed a bottle good and proper. I couldn`t agree with you more.
Sleep walking into a privatised Police State!
Ok i hear and understand what all of you are saying so as a MOP i have one question
What as serving officers would you do how would you run the sevice locally and nationally what needs to be done in order for you to do your job
this is a genuine question honest!!
oh one more thing in response to SJones
Thatcher did exactly that in the 80′s gave us the right to buy cheap morgages then hit us with the fear of losing our jobs.
Cameron “meet the new boss same as the old boss”
Sorry forgot to add to the above
Charles and Diana’s wedding / Kate and William
Falklands / well take your pick!
i have a theory that every time this countrys in the kack they marry off a Royal or on dies or has a baby because it deflects attention. At the risk of straying into tin hat country i can prove this.
ACPO and SMT in general remind me of the tree full of monkeys analogy: Those monkeys at the top of the tree look down and all they see is smiling faces looking up, those on the lower branches look up and all they see is a***holes.
A more (pseudo) scientific theory is that of the Peter Principle: It was formulated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in their 1969 book The Peter Principle.
The Peter Principle states that “in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence”, meaning that employees tend to be promoted until they reach a position at which they cannot work competently.
The principle holds that in a hierarchy, members are promoted so long as they work competently. Eventually they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their “level of incompetence”), and there they remain, being unable to earn further promotions. Peter’s Corollary states that “in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out their duties” and adds that “work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence”. “Managing upward” is the concept of a subordinate finding ways to subtly “manage” superiors in order to limit the damage that they end up doing.
Sound familiar?
The theory is largely nonsense, for a number of reasons.
Firstly, many people that are competent at their role will not get further promotion for some reason – perhaps because they know they would not enjoy the next role up, or would not be good at it, or because no positions are available, or because they cannot pass the necessary interviews/assesments/criteria (more on this later). Therefore, many people work in a role in which they are competent until they retire. This is demonstrably true.
Secondly, the model requires a hypothetical company in which there are a number of clearly defined roles, in a heirarchy, each one being progressively more ‘difficult’ and each one demanding abilities that are never needed in the previous roles, such that someone’s incompetence in a role cannot ever be seen until they are already doing it. Clearly, this is almost never the case. In most jobs, progressing into a new role requires you to demonstrate that you can already perform almost all of the tasks that the new role will require, and have the necessary skills. This is why people looking for promotion in any job tend to have to take on a bit more work/responsibility than their role technically calls for, in order to prove that they will be competent in the next role. In the police, this might be done more formally by acting-up.
Third, the model assumes that simply being competent at your current role is sufficient for promotion. Again, this is demonstrably not the case – almost any job will have some kind of process for identifying people in a given role who look as if they will be competent to do the next one. The success of that process depends on how well designed it is, but that is a different issue.
Is any of this relevent? Nope, not really, but let’s not try and use junk-sociology to justify the same old nonsense that almost every worker in every job feels: that management are somehow more stupid and incompetent than he is.
“justify the same old nonsense that almost every worker in every job feels: that management are somehow more stupid and incompetent than he is.”
….. but what if they are? But can pass the crap assessments by filling in the forms in the approved way and spouting the same keyword based crap that gets people promoted in a fluffy pink and facistly PC organisation?
Sure, it’s not impossible. But my experience of senior police officers is that they’re much like managers in any large organisation – mostly competent, pleasant and hard-working, but doing a thankless job for which their juniors do not appreciate them, mercilessly ridiculed for any minor mistake, and occasionally undermined by the genuinely stupid or incompetent amongst them.
The irony is that if you apply the same paragraph to ‘police officers’ and replace juniors with ‘members of the public’ much the same applies. Isn’t it ironic that we police officers complain all the time about being endlessly criticised for small failings by people who don’t really understand the job, and don’t particularly want to do it themselves, who don’t appreciate all the unnoticed hard work we put in, and latch on to our occasional mistakes to blow them out of all proportion. And yet we do the exact same thing to our seniors. It’s kind of pathetic.
Right… so why arent the senior managers telling the government we cant carry on the way we currently are with these funding cuts?
Why in The Met is the Commissioner so concerned with every officer wearing a tie when we are losing police vehicles from the various boroughs – hence again making our jobs harder?? talk about priorities in the wrong place!
They may be hard working but they are out for themselves – not us.
Erm, no. The senior officers I have dealt with over the last 10 years ALL share similar traits; they are maniacally obsessed with the job for one, and seem to believe PCs should be completely messed around if it benefits some PR purpose/themselves. Regulations are merely a nuisance to them. All of them loooove the sound of their own voice, and ironically hate each other more than the lower ranks hate them!
@ dr – Writing as an MoP, I have long gained the impression that a major criticism of senior ranks is simple failure to lead.
‘small failings by people who don’t really understand the job’
I understand the job.
‘occasional mistakes’
LOL.
I’ll have 20 of whatever the ‘dr’ is on – all at once please!
@dr
Hhmmm. Care to ‘out’ yourself and reveal you rank?
I’d put you at CI. The mere fact that you can accurately critique any organisational model would suggest you are the product of some senior management training, I’d guess at the soon-to-be-sold-off Bramshill.
I’m inclined to agree about the Peter Principle though. I prefer to think of most of the senior officers in the Police with the Dilbert Principle which explains how a person who has never been competent at anything at any point in time can still be promoted.
My experience of senior police officers is that they’re mostly self-serving, arrogant and disloyal and were generally not particularly good at being Police officers. Their priority is themselves, not the officers on the frontline. Many are solely obsessed with being promoted and inventing something new that they can evidence. The examples of this are so numerous it’s vomit-inducing. Need I mention John Lewis? That fact that any criticisms from junior officers are dismissed, just as you have done, shows the arrogance of them.
The key difference though is that PCs don’t get mercilessly persecuted for any minor mistake, they get prosecuted, normally so that some senior officer can evidence it to help their next step up the slippery ladder. I know it’s true because I’ve have personally been there.
If you want to study something worthwhile I’d read Ricardo Semler’s ‘Maverick’. 360 degree appraisals of all managers by their staff plus all managers are selected by the teams they’ll be managing. What do your team really think about you? Evidence that in your PDR.
Cockney – I’m a PC, but thanks
Well, you’re either a liar, or you’ve simply been drinking too much of the Kool-aid.
You comments on this blog would suggest you’re not a complete idiot, so I think it’s probably the former.
There is a growing section of society who regard us with increasing hate and distrust. Conspiracy theories make out that we are ina ‘police state’ and we are the ‘elite’s’ boot-boys.
I think we have been stitched-up over the last few years by the main political parties who are both sides of the same coin. I am convinced that Russia agreed to try capitalism if we agreed to try marxism.
The super-rich are out of control and we are being held to ransom. We are going to get a kicking protecting society, who will then give us a kicking ….. i think we need one of the following:
a) King Arthur to return
b) The second coming
c) The real Batman
d) Aliens from another planet…the nice ones.
I can see a couple of problems here;
a) King Arthur is back and rides an old Triumph Motorcycle around the streets of Glastonbury.
b) Given the number of Jedi on the last census, the second coming would be heralded by the return of Yoda
c) Millionaire traveller adventurer – it would turn out to be Richard Branson
d) given our luck the nice ones medium of communication would be via probing.
Frankly, I would be supprised if, given the amount of red tape that ties up this country, a conspiracy theory could be anything more than a theory.
The current ongoing national saga of one policeman who pushed someone over who later died is the best evidence you will ever see that we are in NO WAY a police state.
In a police state people would be constantly being ‘offed by the old bill, and there wouldn’t be any inquests or media reporting either.
Just saying………..
We are in a reverse police state- where the police cannot operate effectively due to excessive scrutiny.
If the cops can`t protect my family who can?. G4s Suit you Sir!
You never get nice aliens, they are always bent on world domination.
King Arthur is far more likely, if we can just find that blasted sword.
It’s in that chick’s hand on the roof of the Old Bailey mate. Elf n Safety says we’re not allowed to go get it- too dangerous
You’re not allowed to say bent.
CALL ME IAN IS RESPONSIBLE
Here’s a nice balanced ‘report’ into Sussex Police’s protest policing
http://artsresearch.brighton.ac.uk/research/centre/CAPPE-centre-for-applied-philosophy-politics-and-ethics/news/political-protest-and-the-police-young-people-in-brighton-report/Politcal%20Protest%20and%20The%20Police%20Young%20People%20in%20Brighton.pdf
and Sussex Police’s response
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-12997518
London 2012 Op Order.
Att & Dets:
The following staff will now be available for duty.
SC Keen, SC Mustard, SC Joined Aspartof-Astupiddegree (ethinc box ticked), 3 PCs and 1 Sgt.
From 9-5 Monday to Friday only there will also be 7 PCSOs (who havent left with their shift allowence) however they may be deployed to relieve PCs at any crime scenes in the GL area. SOCO (Wiliam Petersen, who is now the only one after everyone else left with the allowences) now also only works Monday to Friday so their may be a slight backlog for jobs from last weekend and over night.
Other response staff will be on nights/back shift to take over DO roles and some front desk cover. (note to self check to see if Detention Officers/Front counter class as ‘frontline’- potential cost saving)
SB will not be availble for the duration as they’re currently having Race & Diversity trg due to a tendancy to view muslim terrorists in a negative light.
Gadget, have you seen this?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-13005823