I think it is probably well known by now that here in Ruralshire, you need to virtually kill someone to go to prison for more than a few weeks. I have also been banging on (for what seems like far too long) about the uselessness or the so-called community sentences, fines and early release programmes for violent prisoners.
While we are on the subject, it’s probably worth my mentioning that the various drug and alcohol treatment programmes are also a waste of time, with over 80% of criminals (because that is what they are) re-offending either during the programme, or shortly afterwards.
I have never claimed to be a psychologist, I have no idea and little interest in why these things don’t work, I just know that they don’t. And we have to support the victim’s shattered lives, take the blame for crime in Ruraltown and quite often get a good kicking in the process of arresting these people. I know it’s my job to deal with these things, but when I joined the police I had no idea that I would have to deal with the same offenders time and time again.
I had no idea that such hateful people could cause so much damage to so many victims and continually get away with it. I had no idea that the powerful liberal elites would take us to a place where these people are regarded as victims themselves in some way, not just the first time or the second time, but in a huge number of cases hundreds of times.
Once again, after highlighting issues in the Shire, readers have sent in information which shows that we are not alone:
Are we supposed to feel some sympathy for Luton’s Judge Richard Foster?
Poor Judge Foster feels that he has been “pushed into a corner” by the fact that he must now send Danny Baker to prison for a few weeks (he will not serve the whole 12 weeks sentence; they never do) after an incident in July 2008 at the Old Oak pub in Arlesey during which he punched a man in the face, fracturing his eye socket. Baker (with a previous record as long as your arm) could have been dealt with at the time of course, but he wasn’t. He was given a a 12-month community order, 80 hours unpaid work and a three month nighttime curfew. He was also ordered to pay £200 compensation.
Baker failed to attend for the work in June after already having been being given a second chance. He had only completed seven hours out of the 80 hour order.
Or what about the case of Jack Bolton, Andrew Griffin, and Nathan Marshall (all with previous criminal records) who used a mobile phone to film themselves carrying out depraved assaults on their 17-year-old victim. The terrified teenager – who suffers from Asperger’s syndrome, a form of autism – was also pelted with dog mess, had his limbs scratched with sandpaper and was forced to drink vodka and gin until he passed out.
Mobile phone footage showed the yobs laughing and joking as they made him endure other abuse and, in a final humiliating assault, they applied adhesive tape to his genital area before ripping the tape off. Judge Jonathan Geake imposed three-month curfews on them and ordered them to carry out 80 hours’ unpaid community work as ‘an intensive alternative to custody’. When exactly did it become acceptable for a non-custodial sentence to be handed out to people like these?
And what of Frederick Doe, Michael Tebbutt and Samantha Vander, who subjected a fellow train passenger to a ‘volley of punches and kicks’ and repeatedly stamped on his head after he asked them to keep the noise down.
Captured on CCTV, the trio were then seen laughing and celebrating – apparently revelling in the violence. The assault continued for several minutes before another passenger came to the victim’s aid and separated the group.
On Friday, each defendant was handed a four-month suspended sentence and 300 hours’ community service by St Albans Crown Court, in Hertfordshire.
Apart from the empowerment of criminal attitudes and the moral argument of leaving these sociopaths unpunished, showing them that they are stronger than us and free from any real danger of consequences, I have three main issues with this lack of proper sentencing. First, it makes society a really dangerous place to be. Second, it creates real and unnecessary suffering for victims. Thirdly, it makes it impossible for police forces to effectively deal with crime. I hope the new elected police chiefs realise that it doesn’t really matter what they think they can do with a police force to make things better; as long as these thugs and criminals carry on, free to carry out their grisly and sinister business, we will always be at their mercy.
I know personally of criminals with records of violence and dishonesty going back several decades who are still escaping custody today. Every police officer in the land knows of people like this.















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And that my friends, is a hat trick (runs round, shirt pulled over head etc).
Well done, and impressive triangular mouse with lipstick for an avatar!
Why thank you!
Second?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1321002/Sickening-celebration-attack-train-passenger-dared-ask-thugs-quiet.html
This three pleaded guilty to pleaded guilty to violent disorder and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, getting them four-month suspended sentences and 300 hours’ community service at St Albans Crown Court. But they’re “young professionals” so that must be all right then.
Disgusting!
Most vile was that witch throwing the stamps in whilst wearing healed shoes.
Still who is going to come to the fella’s aid? Off Duty Police officers? Maybe as they know what to say when the Police arrive, if they arrive.
Members of the public however aren’t stupid and have learned what affray means. No doubt Joe Public getting stuck in and wading into the three of them would have ended up joining them back at the traps wondering why he bothered helping someone he’d never met.
Our society is an absolute sham and people know it. So good folk just go about their business, keep quiet and hope they’re not the next victim.
“No doubt Joe Public getting stuck in and wading into the three of them would have ended up joining them back at the traps wondering why he bothered helping someone he’d never met.”
Not always. There was that case in the week of the passers-by who helped to foil the escape of the jewel thief.
Rare, but welcome…
No off duty coppers if they take the travel cards away thats for sure….
“First, it makes society a really dangerous place to be. Second, it creates real and unnecessary suffering for victims. Thirdly, it makes it impossible for police forces to effectively deal with crime. ”
Too true, but it also makes members of the public less likely to come forward, or act if they do see an assult in progress, as there is no guarantee that the person that they are asked to testify against will actaully go to prison. Or that their scummy friends wont commit reprisal on their behalf. Which actaully fits into your first point…ok, am going back to bed now…
Parents can’t Hit them
Schools can’t punish them
Society won’t say NO to them so they call the police.
The Police lock them up:
The Police Can’t hit them
The Police can’t punish them
The Police can’t do anything with them but put them before a court.
Courts can’t hit them
Courts won’t punish them
Courts see custodial sentences as the absolute final straw
The Prisons can’t hit them
The Prisons can’t punish them
The prisons, the last line of trying to deal with them can’t do anything with them…
What chance does society have when criminals are being born into a world where they are never taught consequence. They are never taught that every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
All good points, probably better made to some dreadful rap music?! Is your linguistic style influenced by David Cameron’s conference speech?!
It’s higher than 80% IG. The government’s own statistics put reoffending rates after said programs at c85%, and it doesn’t take into account long-term reoffending (the statistics only extend 4-5 years back), and lets be frank; those books were bound to be cooked.
Been saying this for a long time (Northern’s comments), no consequences = people do whatever they want.
Humans are pleasure seeking Animals “Period”
Beaks are unhappy when they sentence them as it violates their idea of freedom to do what ever.
Having robbers of life and limb on the streets gives the magistrates their income and a conversational piece while sipping cognac.
The “deaffense ” love getting state funds just like their clients do, both leaches and meanwhile there is fewer and fewer workers to send monies to pay for the crime by closing real money concerns, where money is being created it is siphoned off by the Managing directors and failing to pay of the owners [ the stock holders]
Crime is probable high on the GNP, No ship building to speak of, close down the mines and buy overseas oil, sell the brand names and pay redundancy monies.
There will be a time of recognition of the stupidities since the 1920′s, from one extreme to the other wiping out the center.
Reminds me of a sandwich , no ham, no cheese no bread just the crust.
The only saving grace is that their own kind may eventually deal with them.
7th!
I was in court the other day, when some bloke was up before the beak for possession of class A drugs. He pleaded guilty and then his brief got up to plead mitigation. Apparently, the poor fellow already had £1000 of outstanding fines. He was unemployed and had two children to support.
In a bid to show that illegal drug use was not acceptable, the Magistrates decided to give him an absolute discharge and also slashed his current outstanding fines to £500.
How the fu*k can some scrote, appear in court, plead guilty and walk out with less punishment than what he went in with?
Oh for the love of (insert deity of choice here)
Oh for the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster … you can’t prove it doesnt exist any more than any of the others!
Sir , I embrace diversity and acknowledge yoru human right to worship whom or whatsoever you choose.
(here’s to the great god Pinot Grigio)
Bit early to be on Mr Pinot and Mr Grigio isnt it
. I prefer Mr Merlot myself!
Correct, 10/10. You have passed.
You may proceed to the advanced Diversity course where we will study teach / mindwash you to counter-intuitively respect everybody for everything, no matter what they do or what effect it has on everyone else.
I picked up a cheeky little Pinot Grigio for Mrs 24/7 earlier on, chilling quite nicely in our fridge right now … she’ll be shorltly heading home from the diversity madness of neighbourhood policing to the security of her boys, whereupon she will force us to watch Strictly and X-Factor.
Watching “Strictly” & “X-Factor”? Those in themselves would constitute “Cruel and unusual punishment”, surely?
Of course they would … however and in fairness to my previously parlous women-landing skills, she is actually fairly gorgeous, lets me watch rugby whenever I want and doesn’t complain about how many books I buy or how much beer I drink.
I’m happy to pretend I’m watching and to tolerate her Anton du Beke fetish whilst cooking us a nice meal and then reading til the worst of it’s over!
Cheeky little glass with luncheon is not inappropriate surely.
Mr Oaal is likewise currently crewing a response car despite being a community officer (resources dept FAIL).
I don’t watch Strictly Come X Talent Factor on Ice, not a fan. Prefer Coast, and old episodes of Come Dine with me.
‘Luncheon’ … proper order.
Bottle and straw time now. And no decent Tv.
Pinot Grigio is indeed the most fab of gods. Five small glasses in one bottle…. Five of your five a day in a bottle.
Tut tut !!!
Tut nothing! Is wine not fruit based?? Do our very own government not advocate five portions a day? I think I may ditch the day job and become a health guru.
I was ‘Tutting’ at 24/7 – He knows !!!!!!
Thats unbelievable Madmax, would have been better not locking him up in the first place at least then he would have kept the £1000 fines instead of having it halved.
It’s time to cull the herd!.
They’re not a herd, that would denote some type of grazing animal which could at least be used as food, if nothing else. They’re potential compost who at the moment make everything around them miserable. Just think how good the crops would be if we slotted them and buried them in orchards – it’s a win/win – no crime and more food for the good and innocent law abiding people.
I think he’s referring to magistrates……..
[wry smile]
Chap on my team was stabbed and the chap tried to stab a second officer. He was also on bail for two separate abh’s on police. Went to crown court.
For the lot served 3 months.
Oh and is now seeing a BTP officer who we aren’t allowed to tell of his previous as PSD told us if we did we’d be investigated.
dish the names and I’ll bloody tell her myself
Her ?
This 2010.
Where is your diversity training ?
It may well be a “him”
Hear hear.
Surely she is at risk from this clear cop hater and therefore full disclosure should be given (there’s bloody case law to back it up for gawds sake!!! She would be given said warning if he was a sex offender and she had kids)!
Let the toe rag sue for data protection blah – at least at civil court all of his ‘truths’ can be given out during the case!!!!
“”Oh and is now seeing a BTP officer who we aren’t allowed to tell of his previous as PSD told us if we did we’d be investigated”"
I think the PSD need an email telling them that if they won’t let you tell the officer yourselves then PSD should be the one to tell the BTP officer about her new boyfriend.
Just put in that the offender as stabbed one police officer, tried to stab another – and in the event that this BTP officer is injured in a domestic, you will have to by law supply a copy of this email to any inquest.
That should do the trick.
PSD cannot tell her as they are probably investigating her(ok then could be him) for associating with a known criminal.
We asked them to do that. The officer who’d seen the info on his record about the PC girlfriend was then questioned about why he was checking him up ( he was the officer he tried to stab and miss). He explained he hadn’t Bern told ge was out and wanted to be aware if he was going to appear again. They warned him about checking intel on people and that he had no right or reason to check him up..
At that point we just shook our heads and left it.
Well, she needs to know, (or maybe she already does.)
Are BTP actually real police?! …
5, 4, 3, 2, 1 …… LMFAO.
Data protection?
Just yesterday I counted 19 stories underlining this topic (not DPA) from my local online paper, the Evening Standard, Daily Mail & Daily Telegraph. All serious assualts, all given non-custodial/suspended sentences + communuty penalties. Several invovled polcie officers being injured, cars driven at them etc. Bollocks!
Surely it could be interpreted (by some) that her ‘conduct’ could bring their Farce into disrepute / discreditable etc etc – even though she doesn’t know anything aout it?
In which case their PSD is doing likewise by not brininging the facts to the poor unaware officer’s notice.
I bet given half a chance in the future – she’ll be hauled over tha coals if circumstances compromise her and some wannabe ‘Ranker’ decides to deal with her for inappropriate behaviour.
Here’s a couple of questions for you Home Secretary;
Why, when the British Police Service is the most transparent and accountable in the world, is the British Judiciary completely and utterly unaccountable?
Accordingly, how can the Police Service possibly reach its new “single measure of performance”, i.e crime reduction, when the Judiciary absolutely refuse to gaol persistent, prolific, violent criminals, let alone petty ones.
This is not an isolated experience Home Secretary. Ask any Police Officer, anywhere in the United Kingdom.
Why are we not gaoling the few that cause the most harm?
The answer to all these questions is the same Madam. Neither you nor your colleagues, in any of the parties, care one iota for victims of crime or decent people in general.
Sincerely,
A serving Constable.
PS Number 10 never bothered to reply to my email regarding Mr Cameron’s comment that targets have been smashed. Quel surprise.
Head. Brick wall!
Saw all three of these stories earlier and felt exactly as you do Boss.
Slightly off topic, I have two children, aged three and two. They already know if they do wrong there will be consequences (toys taken away, time out etc, Sorry but I am too liberal to smack…) and people frequently comment on how well behaved and nicely mannered they are.
Already from preschool they are seeing behaviours and language i don’t want for them. These are from “nice” middle/employed class kids, whose parents just don’t seem to want to say “No thats not acceptable” to them. How has this happened? And when its happening so young, how are we supposed to address it later?
*sigh* . AND I can’t go to the rugby cos Mr OAAL can’t get his late shift off.
Totally agree … are you actually my wife, posting away and I’m just not aware of your blogging name?!!
I know you’re not, cos we’ve got one five year old son, but we also send him to a decent school, full of middle class kids, actually some really wealthy parents whose kids are a chuffing nightmare … I threw one of them out of my lad’s fourth birthday party, asking his Dad to take him home because he was “an out of control lunatic and you’re doing nothing about it.” We didn’t get invited to his party later on …. LOL.
I see parenting / policing comparisons everyday: unless there are conscious, enforced consequences to negative actions and proper reward for positive actions, behaviour at the individual and social level will deteriorate. OMG, that’s what’s already happened.
The reason I’m positive, though … is that when other people’s nightmarish kids come to my house, they stay only by my rules and now that some of them know that, there well behaved when they’re here and a parent has actually asked me, about their own kid(!), “why does he behave for you?”
Tragic …
Kids understand Alpha phenomena, when no alpha present then they test the system to see who should be the Alpha.
Every one seeks to be led until they cannot find one,, so noticeable when the Platoon Serge, and pips get bit, and there is the new leader, hiding under his forage cap.
As in Paradise lost, people want to be led.
Yep, agree here too!!
7yr old, 2yr old and 1yr old – all complimented on their manners where ever they go.
Interestingly, the 2 yr old started nursery recently and we trialled her at the same one as her older sis went to – things have changed in a few yrs because there was a young man sat at the lunch table of about 3-4 yrs old repeatedly using the ‘F’ word. Mrs Fish immediately withdrew our child and she goes elsewhere now!
Anyway, the young man in question is the son of a well renowned scum hole – the staff know this yet have they made mention to Social Servs? Probably not because they charge 30 quid a session!!! If the kid is constantly privy to his scum father acting this way, of course he’s gonna turn out the same and no doubt I will be booking him in over the next 10 yrs!
You need a license to get a dog, but not have kids!!!
Kids need boundarys. My 3 year old knows that if he misbehaves he will be keeping the naughty step warm. He is well mannered most of the time (sometimes he gets over excited and forgets his please and ty). He knows that if you want nice things you have to work.He has a strong sense of right and wrong. He wants to join the police when he is big so he can drive a police car!
That’s how I was brought up and I turned out ok!
I’ve just retired and throughout my service worked hard (front line throughout) – well mannered – and a strong sense of right and wrong.
It was the latter which caused me to occupy my Farce’s Naughty Step a lot of the time !!!! (They don’t like to be told)
My gob gets me tutted at a lot too.
You know what? I will always tell my boss if I think they are talking shite… And I will teach my lad to tell people politely if they are wrong!
“I will always tell my boss if I think they are talking shite… And I will teach my lad to tell people politely if they are wrong!”
Ah…that’s evolution for you.
Minty: to tell thy illustrious leader that he made a boo boo, “Always” smile, find words not in his vocabulary to illustrate the errors of his ways then thee may proceed, otherwise have the means to sustain a living.
Too many people are economic [credit card,mortgage,paycheck] slaves, thus trapped by doing that goes against the grain of their conscience.
tattyfalaar – evolution can’t be true. So many bosses are still amoebas!
Can anyone nail the myth that prison costs thousands of pounds every week for every guest?
Once you build a prison thats capital cost. The building will stand for 30 to 50 years, maybe longer. That cost seems to be included every time some liberal twunt says it costs thousands of pounds a week to a scrote banged up. Thats false accounting?
Staffing. You will always have a given compliment of staff to provide cover 24/7/365. Some overtime maybe needed to cover sick, holidays, training etc; Thats a running cost for the prison and is fairly constant.
So the scrote needs, light, heat food and laundry. How expensive is that weighed up against the numerous costs incurred by the crimes they commit? Probably get it down to a tenner a week.
Think about it: If it really cost thousands and thousands to send someone to prison, nobody would get sent to prison, ever, and we’d probably have the death penalty.
We need more prisons. Plenty of ex-RAF bases up and down the country. In fact Oakington is one HO run establishment, that is full of asylum seekers and immigration detainees, many of whom have not committed any crime and should not be detained whilst career criminals walk our streets forever. Let them out and fill it with those who appear every week in the Mags courts!
I suspect that really, the criminal justice system is just a job creation scheme at one end and a money making racket at the professional and legal end. I know one Crawley Solicitor, who has made an absolute fortune representing every scrote in the town. The local plod bring them into the suite, dripping with CS spray and they are demanding him straight away. He doesn’t want them sent down. He’d lose his livelyhood, Rolex, Lexus and four holidays a year if they did.
Ruraltown has two main legal firms for persistent criminals.
Even when they come in to custody paralityc and can’t remember their own name, they can demand a named brief from those firms.
When you search them, you quite often find a knife, a mobile, some cash, a few drugs and a business card from one of those firms.
The senior partners of both firms still represent offenders themselves.
They own, in no particular order, a Bentley and a Porsche.
We often see the Bentley outside Ruralshire Mags, the solicitor once told me he could park it anywhere in the town without fear of it being nicked or damaged because he represented all the local criminals, and laughed.
Strangely enough, I didn’t think it was funny.
We have one local solicitor that pretty much every repeat offender asks for. When out cells are full you can guarantee that at least 3/4 of them have all asked for the same person!! Think there’s something going on there!!
Likewise – it’s a ‘lady’ too!
Isn’t the term “Criminal Lawyer” tautology?
between 18K and 23K per year for your adults, up to 30K for YO and soem crazy 40 odd K for juvy’s. still those secure units are about 125k per year per crim……
Just a thought to add to that… what about setting the cost of jail against the cost of running the court to ‘deal’ with the numerous offences the offender is committing on the outside instead of being inside: running cost of court building, security, witness expenditure, cost of two legal teams,
…
Or setting it against the cost to society, in both economic and social terms?
“In fact Oakington is one HO run establishment, that is full of asylum seekers and immigration detainees, many of whom have not committed any crime and should not be detained whilst career criminals walk our streets forever”
Most immigration removal centres are full to the brim with career criminals of the most unpleasant sort (60-70% ex HMP last time I checked). They are sent straight to detention after getting early release to free up prison spaces, and are often then given temporary admission (bail) never to be seen again. Many suffer from
If anything, immigration detention spaces are needed more than prison spaces. My ground is one of the most ‘diverse’ in the country, and I’ve almost given up phoning immigration when I find an illegal entrant or an over-stayer. If he hasn’t got his bags packed and his passport in his pocket they aren’t interested – “I’m sorry Probie, he/she is just TOO illegal to make it worth our while trying to remove them. It costs money to detain them, don’t you know?”.
As a result Metrocity is full of illegal entrants and over-stayers, merrily shoplifting, doing drugs and drinking on the street, dragging down quality of life for everyone with almost total impunity.
Not quite sure what happened there, para 2 should read ‘Many suffer from mental health issues, making them unpredictable and dangerous to staff, fellow detainees and the public on release.”
MPS Probie,
If and when you arrest an illegal immigrant, it is not your job to deal with it once Immigration has been called. At the end of the day, the custody sergeant wants him/her out their cells asap. Therefore Pace inspectors may start stomping their feet, hence immigration have to do something.
Whenever I have arrested illegal immigrants, the custody sergeant has rang the immigration control room, and someone arrives from Immigration in less than twelve hours to interview then remove the alien.
Arresting illegal immigrants is easy i.e. suspect illegal entry; live scanner confirms it, witness statement. Job done
Only if you want to turn a blind eye to the offences committed …..
….. the day I went to an address in my area and locked up somebody for a serious offence who had actually been deported to Jamaica three weeks previously, was the day I started wondering whether it might be easier just to lock them up here?
John Reid in his brief spell as Home sec said the Immigration servcie was not fit for purpose. How right he was. However who is to blame for that. Each successive gov has failed dramatically to create any legisaltion to tackle this problem. The reason offenders get released never to be seen again is due to Gov policies as we can’t send these people back from whence the came and we have no room in the detention centres. WHY?
Either send them back or build more centres to keep them in.
Basically our country is fcked. We don’t lock up persistent offenders, we don’t detain people who have no right to be in the UK. The courts do not support society as a whole WHY?
Is there any point us trying. What exactly is the agenda??
Serpico – I’m well aware of the procedure as it SHOULD be; however, as in the circumstances I describe above, UKBA usually refuse to come out and deal. “We’ll fax you a reporting form for them to come to Croydon”.
This links in with whothefckamI’s post – if you don’t have a passport, or proof of who you are, it’s very difficult to get rid of you.
UKBA’s in-country resources are extremely limited, their arrest teams are basically just there as a PR exercise, so they can release the weekly feel-good stories about raiding the local chippy – while refusing to come out for the immigrants who are actually the ones the Daily Wail is scared of, the junkie shoplifters and burglars who are helping ruin our country.
Not always.
I kid you not, the last illegal I arrested sat in our cells for 4 days. No one from immigration came.
The custody officer did get a phone call from immigration to interview said illegal for them, then release after !!
I should have left him on the street….
I’ll nail the truth. The costs are correct. biggest cost is staffing, about 80% of all budget. Mind you that includes all the civvies too. costs £18k to £23k for your average scrote. up to £30k for YO and up to £45 for juvy. all per crim per year. Mind you those Secure Units are nearer £125k per baby crim per year and local authority over £200k per baby baby crim per year…Eton is cheaper my friend
I’ll nail the truth. The costs are correct. biggest cost is staffing, about 80% of all budget. Mind you that includes all the civvies too. costs £18k to £23k for your average scrote. up to £30k for YO and up to £45 for juvy. all per crim per year. Mind you those Secure Units are nearer £125k per baby crim per year and local authority over £200k per baby baby crim per year…Eton is cheaper my friend
Oh and for the record…..we don’t get any overtime….time off in lieu is it.
The judge was forced into a corner? Good … these people have shown they won’t do the right thing by choice.
Needs must when the devil vomits on your eiderdown …
or into your kettle
What do you call a thousand lawyers all tied together at the bottom of the ocean?
A good start ……
IN my neck of the woods , Lawyers rarely will admit to being a lawyer when asked how they feed themselves.
Even sharks will not have Attorneys for bait, a courtesy thing.
How do you tell if it is REALLY cold outside?
A lawyer has his hands in his own pockets
Like it. I will have to use that one myself
Not mine. Was used in the film ‘Philadelphia’, but I’m sure it wasn’t theirs, either.
I’m fairly confident the first lawyer jokes date back to the Roman Empire.
Officer and a lady, you’re right. A quick google throws up:
…attributed to an Ancient Roman citizen’s will:
“I, Lucius Titus, have written this, my testament, without any lawyer, following my own natural reason rather than excessive and miserable diligence.”
The fact that scum can be as violent as they want with no real punishment being handed out, scares the crap out of me.
The fact that as a MOP I perceive that if I were to help someone being attacked I would end up being punished also scares the crap out of me.
It reminds me of a Gnu having her young snatched by Hyena [press] or Lion, the rest of Gnu keep going either ” munchen ” or looking for greener pastures, and the mother, just traumatized , although there was a scene , that the mother actually chucked the lion into the river and her baby was saved and she went back to the uncaring gang so life just went on, how civilised.
here is revenge of the bovine
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319852/Moment-herd-cows-turns-black-bear-trying-eat-grazing-calf.html
Drink and drug programs do work… when those in them really want them too. Often after people have to hit rock bottom, and acknowledge in themselves how harmful the substance is in their lives before they can get out of the life… to enforce it as part of a court order is a waste of time and resources.
Rock bottom and gagging on own vomit is nice motivator, but why did they fail to use that segment of the brain that estimates the consequences of short term pleasure over long pain, oh! tomorrow never “cums” thus no disaster.
Yeah, thats real nice, Will – we’ll just keep on putting up with the thieving and violence and BS behaviour for as long as it takes your smackheads and alkys to get into their empty heads the realisation of the harm they do. Don’t worry about any real people, will you?
Lock these idiots up – time to stop treating drug abuse/use as an excuse for crime. Make it an aggravating circumstance.
The British Army prove how cheap it can be to keep thousands of people alive whilst living in ruined buildings and general squalor. Eating shit sodexo food and manually flushing toilets built in the 30′s. They do this without breaching any health and safety regulations and without breaching the human rights of the men and women in that organisation. Good enough for them? Good enough for criminals.
Perhaps the Home office should liase with The MOD in creating more, cheaper prison spaces. Then we’d have no problem in sending them away.
Personally if it were up to me Prisons would be farms and as self sufficient as possible. Fail to grow enough food; starve.
Or if we insist on paying over the odds for prisons why not outsource our prisons to Africa/Eastern Europe/South America. There are firms and countries that would take us on for the right price and the rats could be left to find their own way back.
Why not? they outsource the good jobs.
I have put this “outsourcing” of prisons idea on several blogs.
(1) We give billions in aid to impoverished African Nations – why not get them to look after our scallies and give the country an industry and economy instead.
(2) The prisons could be sited in the middle of nowhere. Australia has Woomera – break out and you are dead…the heat and 10 days walk in all directions to the town will kill you. The African ones could be sited in a desert or a lion park.
(3) We have Skype – so the inmates can talk to friends and families.
(4) If we are, as a country prepared to make workers redundant by offshoring banking, finance and back office jobs to India and the like – then why not the prisons.
(5) If we are prepared as a country to send thousands of troops to the sandpit – then why not thousands of criminals to Mali.
Holland has lots of empty prison cells. Problem solved.
I have read the article on the 3 ‘professional’ thugs on the train stamping on their victim. If their employers still employ them, the companies should be ashamed of themselves.
I am wondering how the liberal elite are going to be able to defend these 3 thugs. Can they blame their upbringing? Were they ‘rejected by society’ and therefore turned to thuggery? I think not somehow. It proves to me that a person’s upbringing cannot be used in every case as mitigation in their criminality.
I have nicked some youngsters who have had all the luck in the world regarding their upbringing. But the trouble is, their parents are just as culpable in their kids’ behaviour. Parents who, for instance, give their kids booze from their well stocked home supplies and know full well they are going to meet their equally middle-class friends to get pissed in a public place because they are under 18 and cant get into pubs. I also know of youngsters who have had a tough life but have not done a thing wrong. It makes me so bloody angry when liberal parents cant be bothered to discipline their kids.
For the record I come from a sink estate and have never done a thing wrong.
Likewise I was brought up in a shit hole and maintain that people with truly crap upbringings do everything they can to get out of it.
Sadly these days there is two routes: Crime with its quick fix access to money or education with its slow and not always guarenteed route to financial stability, eventually.
Now that Crime has no punishment why not give it a go? If you get it wrong just do other stuff.
What’s that old saying?
A child is raised by the village… Indian proverb…
and my other fave
You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be led… Stan Laurel…
It is nearly always in genes, a case of nature versus nurture, and the combination.
Rich or poor has nowt to do with being a decent human, I have enjoyed decency from people from the poorest of backgrounds, along with other levels of economic strata, along with finding the most evil devils in the highest economic levels, having decency is not the preserve of money.
Poverty of mind is the problem.
I know of a girl who had every oppourtunity in life from a very wealthy family who is a violent junkie.
I used to work with a guy who came from a very rough estate. He served in the army whilst his two brothers were in prison for very nasty violent offences.
It is not a given either way … Life is what one makes it.
Long time lurker, first time poster. Have just sent Gadget’s eloquent and incontrovertible firstly, secondly, thirdly argument to No 10. Maybe if everyone did they might start to get the message…
The criminal justice system in this country is the main reason why I nearly walked away from this job. However I’m still here and always will be and that’s something I remind my locals every time I walk them through that door.
The UK court system = Epic Fail
The good news? I must be in a low-crime area, as this was the top story in the local paper!
And 25yo Keith Turner from Woking – who mainly took laptops & phones fron schools (which raises some questions about the effectiveness of their ‘anti-paedo paranoia’) – DID get jail after only 2+5TIC this year, and 21 similar convictions since 2002.
And despite his brief’s ‘mitigation’ – so similar to quotes in previous Blogs that I suspect there is a standard set of texts to copy/paste – “We have a defendant who may well be in a position to turn his back on crime.
“He has been offending from the age of 15 and it’s quite clear the motivation to offend has been to fund his drug habit.
“There have been numerous opportunities to give up drugs and leave a life of crime behind him but this latest example shows he has failed to do that.
“He now wishes to become drug free. All his references say he’s a nice chap but needs assistance with his drug addiction.”
http://tinyurl.com/39uj96t
Thus the Kids got the latest and greatest and newest versions instead of using Windows 98.
Poor Judge…
All that stress…
Still the £100, 000 per year must go a little way to help relieve that eh?
All this makes me want to become a vigilante and give some of these scrotes a taste of their own medicine.
The problem is if I was caught, I’d more than probably get imprisonment and I am not at all keen on the idea of being banged up with the likes of these scum bags….I’ll just dream about what I’d love to do to the pond life.
You must never take the livelihood away from the legal beavers, otherwise ‘LLD’s” be forced to spend their inheritance,
and that will never do.
Rather off topic, but I hear the Genie pic went for £400 – fantastic news!
Blimey!!!
How did you hear about that??
He’s a suit, they’re supposed to be able to pick up on shizzle like that! It’s investimugation!
I’ve got one on the go at the moment. A simple ‘unfit through drugs’ charge. I sent everything I had with the initial file and it came back for a full file upgrade. Now we no longer have casebuilders so I spent the best part of a day building the file, which I managed to submit with minutes to spare ( and a whole day off the streets again) and guess what? It’s come back again for more crap to add to it! CPS are now asking for a statement from the person who sent the blood off to the lab for analysis! I’ve never ever been asked for that in all my service!
CPS= Can’t Prosecute Shit.
Tell me about it, I have been getting some right rubbish requests from CPS. If CPS request some unworthy information, I just send them a polite email stating the below:
‘I will attempt this upgrade for you. However, we are currently understaffed on my section. I also have other file upgrades to complete including crimes that need investigating. I am also called out to respond to incidents throughout the day. Therefore, I will respond to this file upgrade when I find the time. In the meantime, if you have any available staff that could assist me in preparing the upgrade, then this will benefit the both of us in this matter’
I am the man who does take the blood/stuff to the lab. I have given hundreds of statements and photocopies of original notebooks etc. That I took item a to the lab on a given date is pretty hard to dispute by the defence in the witness box. Never once have I had to give evidence. Even the defence believe me. The CPS however will demand everything and on occasion drop a case because a `signifigant` statement is missing. In my 26 years done I have found them-the CPS- to be shit.
Senior Crown Prosecutors in the CPS earn less than a police inspector. £34,957 on appointment, rising to a maximum of £42,224:
http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/performance/payscales.html
Just to think, they could have earned a SHIT load more than that WITHOUT at least three years at University, one year’s professional qualification, etc., etc., hoop jumping their way through various incidents of prosecuting criminal damage in the youth courts …
Four OSPRE exams and they could have out earned themselves by ten grand or more. Of course, you’d have to be of a mind to make decisions to get things done and overcome obstacles, rather than just find EVERY reason under the sun why something is too hard.
Very interesting.
I never realised that Senior Crown Prosecutors got paid less than me.
Admittedly they don’t have the shifts and they get a different kind of shit…
I had hoped they worked longer than me – but I think I will end up doing more than 30 years now for my pension
You COULD NOT MAKE THIS UP
If I didn’t know it was true, I would not believe you…but it is true any copper in the UK will tell you.
People from abroad must read this and think – What on Earth are the British doing?
ps – we had a breifing the other day – it is now very offensive to use the term “disabled toilet”…..you now have to say “Accessible toilet”…..
What a load of tosh…..I could save HM Government some money – kick out the idiots who make that up!
FFS …
“”ps – we had a briefing the other day – it is now very offensive to use the term “disabled toilet”…..you now have to say “Accessible toilet”…..”"
If there is any justice with these impending budget cuts – I hope the bureaucrats and lefty bedwetters that steal a living coming up with this drivel are forced to get a proper job….
like becoming a prison officer.
Please! – what IS an ‘in-accessible toilet’?
( I find it offensive that ‘disability’ has come to mean ‘uses a wheelchair’ and that ‘accessible’ means no more than ‘it is possible to get there in a wheelchair whilst sitting upright’)
One that’s locked?
And ‘ wheelchair bound’ in diversity talk is now “a person in a wheelchair”. Put the person before the disabilty (sorry, “differently abled’ person).
Actually (as i work with people in such circs) the majority who might need these toilets don’t care what you call the toilet as long as they can get to it themselves with a bit of dignity. Which personally I think isn’t much to ask, to be able to go to toilet on your own as an adult.
Sometimes those who make decisions on terminology spend too long thinking and consulting about what might offend when actually the subjects thereof don’t really care. This applies as much to cultural, social and religious practice as to disability in many cases.
We should spend less time talking and deciding on terminology and more time actually making sure people can do what they need to do in a dignified way without being isolated by it.
Hah, no bloody chance, they’re the ones who decide who gets the chop, Hence, the poor old worker bees at the coalface get the bullet, so the professional whingers can start to scream about how the service they deliver has gone down the toilet because of “Tory ideological cuts” and they need more money.
End result bureacracy expands, coalface bees have “1 2 0.5 ” (same pay, twice the workload, half the people) and the pen pushers empire expands nicely.
See also “Identity politics mongers” (apparently becuase this country has the temirity to deport the odd illegal, our laws are “Brutal and racist”, I suspect that the individual who put that to paper (Guardian natch) is a “no borders” imbecile and doesn’t recognise that open borders = no welfare state).
Aren’t all toilets ‘accessible’ when they’re open?
Bring back hanging.
Latest from the Torygraph…
“”Police: The service will undergo its biggest shake-up for generation, with new rules forcing individual forces to do much more to share equipment and a big new drive to slash bureaucracy. Police budgets will be slashed by at least 12 per cent, with Nick Herbert, the Police Minister, vowing in an article in The Sunday Telegraph: “The front line must be the last place to look for savings, not the first.”"”
Errrr …. However reducing bureaucracy is not something we do well in the Police. Our approach is to appoint bureaucracy czars, order HMIC reports on the subject, set up working parties, establish committees to examine proposals and then replace some forms with a computer system. The computer system then requires a training course, staff to monitor its use and offer support, and in doing so we create a mini-empire in itself. ” “The front line must be the last place to look for savings, not the first.” – I don’t hold out much hope
and I can now make the whole sham even worse for the readers. For the few who do end up in Her Majesty’s Hotels, the behaviour often continues. we have our own system of courts but our sentencing policies are equally driven by the loony left excusists. When I joined up 20 years ago it was possible to hand out up to 142 days added to a sentence for offences within. That is now maxed out at 21 days and must be referred to an outside adjuditor. Often horrific assaults go virtually unpunished as it is often ‘not in the public interest’ to prosecute crimes in custody or sometimes not worth taking it to outside court as they often only impose a concurrent sentence.
So it ends up tht i take a few pence out of their ‘earnings’ or maybe take their telly off them for a few days. Oh well, at least 90,000 of them are off the streets for a little while eh!
Meanwhile, if your piss needed further boiling:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/205756/Dizaei-paid-just-750-trial-costs#
What I like best is that our old chum’s been given FOUR months to pay.
That bit you really couldn’t make up.
Funny you should mention piss, because my heart bleeds purple piss for him … and I wouldn’t piss on him if he were on fire, etc..
I’m not a fan, by the way.
Have you ever had the misfortune of being in the same room as him?? I had a few years ago, unlike everyone else in the room he had no idea why we were there, he embarrassed himself with his alarming lack of operational experience in the subject and then proceeded to give the oic/briefing officer a bollocking in front of everyone there for something that wasn’t actually wrong Dizzy just misunderstood it. When he left the room one of the ch.insp said “and he was promoted purely on merit, skill and operational policing experience….” it lightened the mood a bit but everyone wanted to chuck him through the window.
No, I haven’t had the pleasure … for which I’m grateful.
I am reliably informed by someone who knew him pre met that he was an arse from the start…
Off topic I know
Just watching Victoria Derbyshire’s interview of PC David Rathband.
“I’m not going to to spend the rest of my life thinking negative thoughts about him (moat)”
This is hard to watch. He is an inspiration
“Blindness is a little blip…..it’s no big major issue…I’m quite lucky”
What more needs to be said?
CFM
Headline in Sunday Telegraph – “Police red tape revealed: reams of paperwork to look through a window”
[ http://tinyurl.com/36hjxcg ]
Quite a reasonable item on Jan Berry’s report on “combating red tape in the police service”
“One superintendent pointed out to me very poignantly that he could sign a piece of paper to authorise someone to be shot, but has to fill in a 16-page form for someone to look through a window,” she said.
Mrs Berry, former chairman of the Police Federation, will conclude that police officers spend a third of their time on pointless bureaucracy
“Performance culture is huge and, while the government has rightly removed a lot of the targets, at a local level targets are alive and well.”
See also that the Home Office website reproduces IN FULL the article by Nick Herbert (Justice Minister) in this week’s ‘Police Review’ [http://tinyurl.com/29zfxtx]
// …we are determined to do what we can to strip out bureaucracy and unnecessary cost, driving efficiencies within and between forces. The frontline must be the last place to look for savings, not the first.
That’s why we’ve scrapped the Policing Pledge and the confidence target. That’s why we’re determined to reduce the burden of central doctrine and guidance that imposes compliance costs and takes manpower away from the frontline…//
We shall see?
You get your hand chopped off in Iran for stealing a lot of CHOCOLATE:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11559750
My wife would take the risk!
I wouldn’t want to risk stealing underpants in Iran then!
The police have all of my sympathy. The courts and the legal system are SHIT!!
I was mugged by a gang of 30 teens. I identified all of them. They all coughed up. Did they get punished? No. They were ‘troubled’ youngsters (aged 16) who were ‘carried away’ and YRJ was used instead. Luckily, I made the main perpetrators cry, but I didn’t get my camera, my phone or my bag back, and it didn’t stop them keying my car in the middle of the night.
What have I learnt? Not to get involved (they were kicking a girl, and this was a month after a 17 year old boy in my home town had been knifed by a group, plus I lived 10 miles from Warrington and Garry Newlove, and the forgotten but equally sad story of Michael Chen, a chip shop worker kicked to death by yobs. I moved to France, where there are riots and public outrage when punishments aren’t appropriate (like the case of the retired Toulouse fella who shot and injured two teen girls who’d broken into his house and was then arrested, like Tony Martin)
I’ve learnt the police are BRILLIANT, schools are rubbish, the legal system is SHIT! I had 7 cars round the estate rounding up the yobs involved within minutes – and the police were brilliant.
And what have they learnt? They can do anything they like and get away with it. Good lesson to learn at 16.
Excellent!
It’s one huge liberal experiment, started in the 60′s and due to finish in 12 months time.
Harry Hill will then jump out from behind a car and profess that the British police force has been subject of the biggest stitch up of all time and we fell for it.
This is the only reasonable explanation I can think of the shit we now find ourselves in. There is only one way to sort out this problem….”Fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
“Do you want to buy some pegs Dave?”
Ha ha ha ha ha – I can throw them for ‘the dog’ to fetch!!!!
papa_lazaru – you’ve got me wondering now – you’ll have to give me some clues!!!!
Your my wife now…..
The only thing that scares me more than knowing about this, is not knowing about it and the cumulative ignorance the general public has about whats going on.
Way to go !!!
Well it’s a cost-effective start:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11545519
Hopefully they’ll use the brick method on the blokes and an old, rusty, ice-cream scoop on the females – or should that be “bro’s” and “ho’s”?
Ho, ho, ho !
Ah well – it’s no skin off our noses!!!
(I’ve used that one elsewhere on the site too – but it makes me laugh!)
Maybe \the judge needs a few days in a court like this one.
http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/646/HMA-V-GEORGE-MULVANNEY
It’s a pity the English courts didn’t publish the sentencing statements.
Get in there!
Bet he appeals though, on legal aid of course.
Like this one you mean
http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/9/579/HMA-v-STUART-COSSAR
@kendl – Just trying to work out if your typical Swamp dweller could even understand the wording of these Scottish charges?
// [You] did assault XY … and did strike him on the body with a knife to his severe injury, permanent disfigurement and to the danger of his life //
I am sure their breif will explain it to them.
I once arrested a guy for the Strathclyde Police, for ‘breaking and entering a lock fast place’. We call it burglary.
I had to fly all the way from Jersey in the Channel Islands to Glasgow, to give evidence. I recall I was met off the aircraft by a huge Scottish Detective, who had hands like shovels. He said, “Here’s the good news, you’ve arrived safely. Here’s the bad news, the accused has pleaded guilty and you’re no longer needed in court.”
The Strathclyde C.I.D. then managed to get me totally blitzed, by visiting almost every drinking establishment in the city – or so it seemed. A friendly bunch of people the Jocks.
Execute them. Flog them. Cut a limb off. Call me a barbarian thug, call me anything you want but I do not want to live in a society where people like this exist.
Having been mugged and – foolishly – defended myself, landing the thirty odd conviction scumbag in hospital (he broke his nose and skinned a knee falling to the pavement) I find myself with a nice police officer asking for my address, and my partner being interviewed.
He had thirty two convictions. While screaming at the officer about how I had assaulted him he said, quite clearly that he had been told “If the judge saw him again he’d go down for sure”. When the innocent are treated worse than the criminal something is fundamentally wrong, and tougher justice systems are needed.
Talking of the group of usual defence briefs that spend most of their time in the local Bridewell reminds me of a time when I got called to a daytime burglary at a local butcher’s shop. A local non tax payer had been seen to enter the rear stock area and help himself to his Sunday roast. Luckily for the butcher this had been witnessed by a local resident in the shop who happened to be a well know defence solicitor. The butcher took delight in telling me of the witnesses profession and extoling him as being a fine citizen and worthy of sainthood. As I was about to take the prisoner away the butcher passed comment that “some bloody defence brief will get him off” It took me a nanosecond of decision before I asked the butcher “do you know what actual work your solicitor customer specialises in?” That really made my day
You may be interested in this: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Hit-and-run-driver-escapes-jail-term.htm
Hopefully, similar fates await Their Worships/Honours next time they’re on public transport. Perhaps when a few of them get their stupid, regal heads kicked in, things may change….
Could someone here give me some advice?
Last night a gang of drunks were causing trouble on the train i was on. Fortunately they didn’t actually become violent but i felt threatened.
What can or should i do to protect myself in such situations? I ask in the full expectation of being treated as the criminal by the police if i dare to defend myself.
No one can tell you what is in your mind and what is in your mind is a fact.
In order to claim self-defence or otherwise account for any actions you need to feel fear of violence or the threat of personal violence and whilst this will require a degree of reasonability to it – your own individuality and previous experiences will make what is in your mind unique.
Copied from a quick Google of self defence and the law:
‘However, although not enshrined in statute, the law in this country is very clear:
* an individual is entitled to protect themselves or others;
* they may inflict violence and/or use weapons to do so;
* the level of violence may include killing the assailant; and,
* an individual may even act pre-emptively and still be found to have acted in self-defence.’
In a nutshell I would suggest that this answers it for you – but remember – no-one can disprove your thoughts!
Thanks, but that still leaves some questions.
When confronted by a gang of drunks i’m the one likely to get beaten up or worse so the fact that legally i still have a right to self defence seems rather theoretical.
If i carry a weapon about i’m sure that the police could arrest me for all sorts of things and it could be used to prove intent and so on.
Which means that basically i am at the mercy of out of control drunks who know that they are going to get kidglove treatment at the hands of the State.
What sort of weapon could i carry to protect myself that won’t lead to some police officer arresting me rather than the actual criminals?
Again the matter is dictated by the ‘intent’. If you had an everyday item such as an umbrella with the intent to use it as a weapon (if necessary or otherwise) – then it becomes an offensive weapon per se.
If, however you had an umbrella and SUDDENLY felt the need to use it to protect yourself – it comes back to what is in YOUR mind and it could be a legitimate item to use given the nature of any threat. Like I said before – it’s about ‘intent’.
You couldn’t easily argue snooker balls in a sock as everday items – that would be regarded as an ‘adapted’ item which would likely lead to a conviction, likewise an umbrella with a Stanley blade in it. But like I said, an umbrella, a rolled up newspaper (very effective striking it end on into a face) etc are all everyday items and just don’t admit to having them with you ‘for protection’.
Well, maybe i’m going to have to start carrying an umbrella around with me to protect me from the weather and not to fend of gangs of thugs.
What a fucked up situation. The law and the police are more geared to protect the thugs than the honest decent people.
Thanks for the advice.