OK, so I made that title up to increase the site hit rate. What can I tell you. As a modern Police manager, my only interest is statistics. It matters not that these figures will have nothing whatever to do with the content of the site. It is the figures themselves which matter.
Speaking of which; if you want to know what is really going on, follow the money. Training costs a lot of money. It also informs us what our organisation thinks is important. Here are some training facts from Ruralshire Constabulary:
Diversity Training – Five days every year.
“Detect Crime” training on our IT system – Three days.
Health & Safety (in the office) Training – Five days every two years.
Compare and contrast this with:
Officer Safety Training – One day per year.
Emergency First Aid – Half a day in my whole career to date.
Training I was given before I went into Custody for the first time – No days.
One really does not need to be a career detective to see the pattern here. They are more concerned that you might scald your finger on an untested kettle (they pay compensation) than you getting your head kicked in by some drunken, wife beating maniac (he pays compensation). It’s official. They are more worried that you might be rude to an ethnic minority person that that you can give CPR to a dying child.
Like I said; follow the money.
sad but true,my job also seems to involve more jumping through hoops in a bid to reduce possible financial claims that may occur than dealing with common sense day to day (ish) stuff.
A friend of mine is a DC with the Met. He has been a policeman for 25 years and he loves doing his job. About 3 weeks ago I got an email from him and he had just had a day’s training somewhere. Funnly enough he said pretty much what you just wrote. He also said “and what the F***’s a facilitator? Can’t they call them instructors?”.
I ordered your book and it arrived in the mail today. It had better be good otherwise I will file a complaint with the PCC.
I’m kidding! I already started it and I like it!
I know this one…Apparently referring to them as “instructors” might make people feel they were being ordered around
Got to love this idiotic world we live in – from the middle ages and killling people for sneezing during the black death to wrapping everyone up in cotton wool and sueing the arse off anyone who tries to remove it.
One of the aspects of the McPherson report that is conveniently brushed under the carpet is the criticism of the Met for not providing their officers with first aid training of a high enough quality-or even in some cases none at all-so as a result the constables who arrived at the scene well before the ambulance could do nothing to save the victims life as they did not know what to do with a sucking wound.
Those of us long in the tooth will remember the Scarman report into the Brixton riots when the learned judge emphasised the importance of properly trained highly motivated constables on the street
The bottom line is the better trained your workforce the more productive they will be and the more money will be saved in the long run.The selection and training of constables(and higher ranks) has long been a hobby horse of mine and a full review needs to be held into this subject.
What is important to remember is that those who choose to ignore history will be condemned to relive it
I got to agree, the officer safety model has a few gaps.
When i started one of my friends asked the Officer safety trainer “what happens if you end up on the floor” his reply was “hope you end up on top”
Do you guys get any firearms training at all?
i remember my “student officer training” were not allowed to be called probationers anymore.
We did a full day on the steven lawrence enquiry where i learned to be ashamed of being a white, low to mid class, and mildly conservative in my views. by contrast we spent a morning on robbery and a morning on burglary.
we also did a full four day placement in the community, but only half a day (and it was pathetic) on cell extractions. this should by no means be confused with custody training as it wasnt by any stretch.
the personal safety training was a joke, we werent even taught the rear stack handcuff position in case we sprained each others wrists, though it is in the acpo manual of approved techniques!!!! – can you really make that one up?? you can use it, but we cant show you how to………
there was no shouting and no aggression, and the take downs were very mediocre. i can judge these with some authority – i was a muay thai instructor and have also taught hand to hand fighting in an entirely different setting to this of course. I did show people some decent stuff during a lunch break once, but was told in no uncertain dont do this again, its not approved or insured – so that was me silenced.
at another stage we had to REVISIT diversity with various other lectures – im not naming them as they are force specific, but they went on forever and had little to do with ‘how to make the scum out there pay for what they get away with’
as the gaffer says its all about cash. if you cant subdue an aggressive bloke and you have to use more numbers? so what?…
if however you upset ANYONE who can claim to be anything not mainstream then get ready for the trial by media, and the inevitable payouts…..
should i be so bitter when im so junior in service?
When I saw the title I thought the stress had finally got to you. So First Aid, there are a number of reasons why people may fall flat on the pavement, with not long on their clock to go. There have been too many cases of public servants being at a loss, and making catastrophic misjudgements. With an ageing population, the numbers of diabetics rising fast, and with other issues, e.g. anaphylaxis, officers really need to know some basics, if only how to look for medical tabs (few even know they exist). The present situation is not just poor, it is potentially a danger to the public.
We had 3 hours of officer safety training this year. The reason is said to be that barely half the operational workforce is qualified so we all need to be rushed through training. This means that only half the time can be devoted to training officers in this area.
My daughter, who is on the civilian staff of a police force had been encouraged by her Chief Supt to do a university course and it was agreed that the Force, sorry Service, would pay the fees. A week before the course was due to start, HR (them what used to be Personnel!) rang up to say the money for course was no longer available as they had to arrange “female awareness” courses for all staff. As she observed, she is a female, and is aware of the fact. So, it seems are all the males where she works. So what’s the problem?
Ah the madness of it all, but are we surprised. Our forces are run by people who get to the top by towing the party line and signing up for whatever mantra is being spouted that week.
They then top up the PDR/bonus payment with a new way of teaching the minions the mantra, and so it goes.
An ACC never got to those dizzy heights by PCs saving lives or taking down crazed thugs single crewed. No they get up in the ivory tower by showing some re hashed new policy has been implemented and is a success (the figures can be rigged to show any thing can be a success).
Ah well I have a 5 weekly training day this Wed and it is officer safety training. Its a good job as I have not been re certified since I passed out three years ago. The input is only three hours but is the new system (Spear?) which by all accounts is the muts nuts. Either way we will be in the pub by 13.30 with the guv leading the charge and buying the first round. (they have got us chucked out before and got us all to hide behind a wall when the C/Insp walked past, the guv had knocked us off early as we had had a set from hell.
So on the whole I like training days, only because we all get ratted after.
There’s a really huge “training” industry in this country. I work in a safe, modern office building. It has every possible fire detection/suppression system, and the local Trumpton are five minutes away. Every six months we have to go on a Fire Safety training course. It covers such things as “recognising a fire” (hey, look, smoke/flames), operating a fire extinguisher (are you kidding? the place is in flames, I’m out of there) and contacting the emergency services (I mean, really, 3 year old kids can do that).
So one whole morning is spent telling reasonably intelligent adults some things they already know. While we’re being paid, quite generously, and not doing the actual stuff they pay us for. I think what really pissed me off was having to do it again after having been marked down as “a disruptive influence” the first time. When asked what I’d do if I discovered flames, I said I’d chuck more paper on it. Then open a bag of marshmallows. Turns out the “facilitator” had no sense of humour. I won’t make that mistake again.
When I first joined the RAF, we had 3-5 days annually doing GDT. This is the when the ‘Rock Apes’ got their own back on us techies. In fact to be realistic, GDT should have taken three weeks each year. When I left, it was down to one day, and you had to be mainly ’self taught’ from a book. The practical side of things were cut down to the bare bones. Apparently the gas chamber now does not involve anything even like CS. This is supposed to be the military…
I ‘tort’ I might make things easier for you all:
2. To lessen the labour of, assist (a person).
facilitate, v
1. a. trans. To render easier the performance of (an action), the attainment of (a result); to afford facilities for, promote, help forward (an action or process).
1611 COTGR., Faciliter, to facilitate or make easie.
b. To make easier or less abstruse; to simplify. Obs. rare.
a1656 HALES Tracts (1677) 89, I thank you for..facilitating to my understanding the scope and purpose of the XI of St. Mat.
2. To lessen the labour of, assist (a person).
1646 1646 H. LAWRENCE Comm. Angells 77 Which may more easily leade and facilitate us, to the consenting to such a lust. 1650…
DRAFT ADDITIONS JUNE 2002
facilitator, n.
One who or that which facilitates.
1824 Ann. Reg. 266* An apparatus for shaving which he denominates the useful and elegant facilitator. 1834 New Monthly Mag. XLII. 260 Steam and gas..are the grand facilitators and illuminators of the intercourse of the most distant provinces.
* spec. A person or organization assigned to facilitate progress towards a specific objective, esp. one whose role is to foster communication or understanding within a group of people, or negotiations between various parties; a mediator; a coordinator (esp. of a conference, discussion group, etc.).
There are people out there that believe that they are doing all of this for our greater good. The hold fast by the belief that they are actually making a difference and making things better for us. They cannot be reasoned with, brow beaten or otherwise dissuaded from there moral high ground.
I work in a culture where my employer thinks its reasonable to email the whole company to offer ’safety in the home’ advice. Frankly if I choose to wander round my own house with a dynamite hat on smoking a Cuban cigar I think its my own affair. I have survived more than a third of a centuary without being struck by lightening, being swept away by flash floods or slipping, tripping or falling to my doom without training or briefings. My youth was spent rock climbing, surfing, camping in the great outdoors and boozing a fair bit. I dont recall dying once during any of these activities. I got my first motorcycle aged 16 and we all know what a danger to themselves motorcyclists are!
In my time I have amoungst other things broken fingers, ribs, slipped three discs in my back and gained scars on most my limbs. I dont want anybody to protect me from that, mainly because I had a bloody good time whilst doing it.
People dont need protecting from themselves, going out into the world makes you a more rounded person. Self reliance shows you that others are not to blame for your situation.
Futher to Fee’s comments – yes me too! I cannot sit quietly when the emporers new clothes are rolled out. I am that little boy in the croud shouting ‘but he’s naked!’ (sorry if you have no idea what I am on about).
Sometimes one person can make a difference – but sometimes they shouldnt!
Your company have cottoned on to a well known fact, getting out of bed and living a life can be dangerous. They will also have looked at the statistics and observed that most ‘lost time accidents’, accidents in the workplace; have now shifted their location (thanks to HSE legislation, or no thanks, depending on your view point, but simple things, like guard rails around stone crushers have made a difference to the number of fatalities in industry) to accidents that happen in the home. Either way, such a things cost a company real money and that impacts on the CEO’s bonus, probably not as much as if you had the accident at work, but then, every penny counts……… however if they are giving first aid courses, grab it; because knowing how to give CPR to a dying child is better than not knowing, heaven forbid the need should arise.
Yup – first aid trained, also confined space search and rescue trained. Trained in administering medical oxygen, the inspection and maintenance of fall arrest and climbing equipment. My scaffold ticket has now expired and I wont be renewing it. I also hold both professional and industry acceditation for what I do.
All of the above I consider both necessary and sensible. Some of the above I have requested to do rather than been asked by my employers.
Its a sad fact that you will not ever be able to eliminate accidents, by there very nature they are unforseen. Look at the demise of Colin McRea, champion of one of the most dangerous forms of motorsport and died in a helicopter crash.
Actions speak louder than words, but we usually keep our eyes closed to the sins of of our leaders.
IG: you have summed up the madness of leadership
PS sorry about my spelling – not had much sleep!
Just found myself agreeing with Hibbo, not sure what to do now.
Since common sense was banned, things have gone downhill. Despite ten years in a ‘hands on’ regiment of the army, dealing with all manner of firearms, explosives/propellant etc, I’m not allowed to touch any firearm in order to even make it safe – something I’m quite capable of with just about anything on the market.
So I have to call on someone ‘qualified’ even if it’s a bloke whose only ever touched the shotgun supplied in the ‘firearms safety’ course.
Still, as long there are plenty of diversity courses to attend (and there are) then I shouldn’t really complain.
This started in the late 90’s / early 2000’s and it’s spiralled out of control rapidly.
It’s now gotten to the point where a probationer friend of mine was chastised publically for buying a kettle out of his own money for the canteen, and then given a day’s health & safety training about office H&S.
Nevermind that he was sweating buckets and covered in grime having just been to a hell of a scuffle involving a shrieking demon of a chav bride armed with a broken wine glass…Mind that kettle son – you could burn someone and i might not get my next pip.
If anyone wants to learn a bit of basic (i.e. the most useful) first aid, then the British Heart Foundation runs a scheme they call Heartstart UK.
You learn CPR, control of severe bleeding, dealing with choking etc. It’s roughly equivalent to a one-day Emergency First Aid course, but I believe you can do it a bit at a time and flexibly in larger towns.
It’s being used in some schools these days, and we have 10-yo kids who can do all the above.
Dungbeetle (July 3, 2009 at 6:51 pm) quotes a definition of facilitator as being:
“A person or organization assigned to facilitate progress towards a specific objective” [emphasis added].
This definition, perhaps unwittingly, gives away the true purpose of all those “Away Days” and other “facilitator-led” events that anyone working in the Public Sector ever since New Labour came to power in 1997 will have “participated in” on a compulsory basis.
It is the leading of a group of people to their acceptance of a pre-defined agenda or belief (specific objective), while giving them the idea that they came to this conclusion of their own volition.
Just google “Delphi Technique”. The Wikipedia article on the Delphi Technique had a very good explanation of this kind of abuse that mysteriously disappeared.
See
http://noblelie.com/2008/08/16/learn-the-delphi-technique/
for what it is, how it is used, and how to disrupt it.
thanks: good advice
always be charming,
stay focused, and
be persistent.
Never, under any circumstance, become angry. Anger directed at the facilitator will immediately make the facilitator “the victim.” This defeats the purpose which is to make you the victim.
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My force officially no longer monitor me for detections, intel logs, arrests etc… Sounds good on the face of it.
Apparently we’re all interested in the customer experience now and harass people who I’ve encountered and ask them if I was dressed smartly, polite, gave them a full list of options, explained their choices to them fully, identified myself and did as I was told.
As previously mentioned, you get a completely subjective view from the customer dependant on whether they were either a genuine victim, or a regular service user who is demanding attention yet again.
They do however, unofficially, monitor me on detectons, intel logs, arrests etc…. or I won’t get an SPP and I’ll end up on a poor performance review.
Go figure.
Hibbo stop it, you’ve got me agreeing with you again and it’s uncomfortable!
Same in the smoke. Although we do OST once per 6 months and ELS wvery year.
HOWEVER we then do a mandatory “Divisional training day” every so often. These are in no way useful. Some recent hits are: Health and Safety, Every Child Matters, HRA, “Sorry we’ve run out of stuff to put in it so we’ve found a guest speaker from (enter a specialist unit) to blah at you for a couple of hours. Still helps justify the borough’s training budget.
Oh and at Training School we didn’t get a single (no not one) PT session in 18 weeks.
Phase 3 diversity training. Where you have to sit in little groups, while various ‘minority’ individuals harangue you for being white/racist/straight/Police etc etc.
Man in dress after having ‘bits’ removed. “I must inform you, I used to be a man”
Me: “No shit sherlock” (strike 1)
Man in dress: “50% of men have gay tendencies”
Me (looking at other bored chap in my group): “Well, that must be you then, because I’m not” (Strike 2)
I never got to strike 3, because I was removed for ‘re-education’.
During sinilar training in our farce a black female harped on about the fact that she never got promotion with her former employer (a public service) because of the colour of her skin. Well, this was her perception of the reason why until a colleague of mine helpfully pointed out,”Are you sure it’s not just because you were s**t at your job?”
The supt was not amused, but the rest of the group were including the other representantive from the black community.
It is like that with jobs that we attend. Have you noticed that there is now what I call a sh** factor. If the job to be allocated is full of grief, to the organisation not the individual, then it is urgent even if it is not. If it is someone does not hit a particular target or will not be supported by a pressure group well, they can fu** off and wait. Bring on that pension.
The good news re:first aid, is that because there aren’t enough police on the street in my patch of London, us ambulance staff find ourselves going to ‘Assault – no police units to send’.
So we arrive, patch them up or take them to hospital and I would guess that the Met can then do a job-lot of statement taking down at the hospital…
On the other hand, when we are busy the reverse is true – so I guess it comes down to luck.
Anybody that expects more 10% of the populace to tolerate you because you exist, live in a fools paradise.
‘umans are good at telling people what they want to hear , as long money keeps flowing, not what is the truth of the matter be, so when the situation gets out of control hell breaks loose and fools paradise is lost.
We all be diverse, it is necessary for the existence of the world but that does not mean that we are to be luvy dovey about it.
I takes two to tango, or when in Rome do as the Romans do, or if thee be on someones turf it is their say so, not for the outsider to change the color of the turf.
just a tort.
Many years ago a team from Specialist Ops in the Met were sent on a day’s training to learn how to lift a packing case and change a water bottle. One member of the team didn’t really fancy it and suggested he might not attend. Independantly, two of his mates thought that they would sign him in. Unfortunately neither knew his warrant number and both made it up. The team had a new Chief Inspector who had been parachuted in with no experience but the one aspect he was good at was admin so he looked at the attendance register for the couse and noticed the discrepency. Rather than ignore the problem he paged the whole team, who by this time were out on the plot, and asked them who had been a naughty boy. I’m pleased to report the whole team paged back ” I am Spartacus”.
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awesome, Great title, and Great and honest explanation.
thanks
I’m surprised front line Police Officers aren’t trained to high standards in First Aid. They’re always changing the techniques and timings of CPR, terminologies and actually physically doing them requires a regimen of practice. In order to make them effective and causing a minimum of injury.
An unconscious, non-breathing casualty has most likely had it but it’s a shame to think that some of them may indeed have a dying ember of life in them which someone with the right skills and training could re-ignite. It’s likely that in a situation where somebody just collapses in the street the first “Official” person on the scene will be the Police.
In my force there are different levels of first aid training, The basic first aid at work (which I think is what the new recruits get), the public order medic of which I am which is treating casualties in hostile surroundings/missile(as in thrown objects not rockets!!)/firebomb environments , and more emphasis on trauma injuries such as crush, bullet wounds, stab wounds etc and then “fastaid” which the ARV crews do which involves a comprehensive course on stabilising serious injuries before Ambo can attend in areas that are not made safe.
I do feel that our general medical equipment in our cars are completley inadaquate though. In days past I have had to utilise dirty bar towels to try and stop arterial bleeds. I have convinced my station to invest in a large amount of “field” dressings for us to carry too.
Max,
am interested in your comments…… would like to see the course contents as all we get is the same H&S four day course that the CJU typist gets…..
can you get info to me some how?
Just found out about this story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8135020.stm
Basically suggesting public sector pay freezes.
Anyone else think that we are in for being shafted again?
jaegerdude,
Shafted yes, but I am not sure if that should read shafted again or shafted still..
Wouldn’t surprise me. They thought they were shafting us by enforcing a 3 year deal that was poor at the time. Now due to their own clueless ineptness, that deal now doesn’t look as bad, they want to scrap the agreement and have a second go at shafting us.
I long since accepted the dishonestly of the government, it’s the incompetence that keeps reaching new levels. They couldn’t even shaft us properly the first time, so they want another go!!
Would they have ‘revisited’ the agreement if, as expected at the time, the economy had boomed and inflation had been higher??
Ok, think thats bad – how about this.
Town I was in (I’m now out in the countryside, about 10 miles away) had an accident about 4 doors down 2 years ago. T-juction, guy had gone straight on, taken the bottom 8ft of a, well telegraph pole is the best aproximation (it actually carries the power for houses here in the rural south).
It’s a road just leading out of town into the countryside, about 100yards after the accident it turns into a 55mph zone as it exits the city. (http://tinyurl.com/ojggmt to see it in google maps). Ok, it’s close to midnight. two cop cars attend. and it’s a state highway, lots of 40-tonners use it to go between I75 and I20.
Going out of town, they decide to block the road 50ft from the accident. right around a bend, and just over a crest. So, drivers pass the last junction right before they see the roadblock, have to stop and turn around. I walked further up (in my hi-vis – thank you HSE/highways agency cross-training) and did the diversion myself. however, worse is that the other direction, they didn’t warn or block at all until the accident. It’s unlit, and a MILE from the last turnoff suitable for even cars, let alone an articulated lorry. SO, the truckers had two choices, either wait at the accident for 6 hours, while the post is replaced, and the power wires re-strung, or back down an unlit 55mph road for a mile.
Worst part, the last available road for truckers to detour down (Malone), the sheriff’s station and county jail is at the other end. No-one even thought of sticking a detour sign there. When I suggested it, the city cop in charge (a Lt) said ‘thats in the county, i’m a city cop’.
They have the equipment (he spent the entire 6 hours, sitting in, or standing next to his month-old Dodge charger Hemi cruiser (because what you really need in a small town of 3,000 is a 147mph cop-car that isn’t any good at transporting prisoners) with ALL his dazzle and headache inducing lights going.
Be grateful for the training you HAVE had.
A cost of living rise, to keep pace with inflation is not a pay rise.
Hang on everyone-the country is bankrupt-we all know by whom and why-so everyone has to take a hit.The problem with the police service at the moment is that there are groups in it who dont deserve the pay they are getting and others who actually deserve more-viz
1.The long term sickies with bad backs knees gulf war syndrome-you nameit these people have it-in my old force they make up about 10% of the work force
2.The 9/5ers who sit in an office all day and create work for others -in my old force this seems to be70% of the work force
3.The remaining 20% are uniform patrol working 24/7 running around like maniacs.
If group 1 were got rid of even if it meant paying a pension it would save money–group should take a PAY CUT-the pay levels predicated by Edmund Davis were based on the vast majority of coppers working 24/7 not having every week end off
Then the remaining 20% who deserve the cash would get it.
There is obviously so much waste in the police as well over promoted people I could save every force a fortune
Gadget-how about starting a thread on how we can save money(sensibly) and still preserve if not improve the service to the public
It should read “Group 2 should take a PAY CUT
INSPECTOR GADGET,
One thing is troubling me gaffer. if say you did get promoted taking you to the dizzy heights of chief inspector, would you continue to blog???
just think it would be sad if you got promoted and couldnt keep us sustained……
Thanks “Hibbo” , I am rather brilliant you know, only I didn’t mean it like that, if you like the benefits join as a PCSO , that’s nearly as good, I think you would pass the paper sift.
By the way I’ve tracked you across several blogs and you appear never to be actually , well you know ,”at work”
What is your “work” Hibbo ?
Anyway I can’t bandy minds with you at the moment because my attention was taken by this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197769/Civil-servant-sacked-criticising-Blears-avoiding-13-000-tax-expenses-scandal.html
It seems adding comments to blogs from state run computers is a sackable offence .
Question ?
Does that include paid agitators of the state who spam honest, tax paying, hard working ,public servants spare time blogs ?
HAPPYPIG>> In this day and age Id have to be careful to provide too much clarity as to the course contents, and also it would probably point out which force I work for. If you are “Job” I would encourage you to approach your public order trainers/ Firearms ops who will probably be able to advise you on the different courses (or check your personnel/training sites on your force intranet). I imagine they are the same accross the board, especially the Level 2 medic course due to the common minimum standard “enforced” accross the board for mutual aid. If you work in another field you may get some info contacting any particualr force you are interested in via their websites. Hope this helps
Max, thanks but my force lacks somewhat in this area…
whilst our team medics are well supported the arv is left out to dry in the wind…
they do provide a first field dresing and an asherman chest seal!!! the application of the asherman is not covered on the H&S course!
I am trying to ge this raised but it really is like hitting your head against a brick wall……
No common standards for us i am afraid.
Hibbo
I think my 20% is not far off so in a force of 1000 thats 200 divided into shifts of say 5 that gives 40 on any one shift to cover the whole force area take out sick Annual leave courses etc etc etc…..
Plus of course brilliant management strategies such as putting new officers on response who havent done a response driving course or the 59% of the time(“fiddled” Govt figures) spent doing paper then you can see why you never see a copper
Funny you should say that it is the newly passed out officers who seem to get pushed to response. Some time ago as a special of 2 years ‘experience’ I was on patrol with one such regular. The officer in question had been out of training for 4 months and was asking me about what to do.
Here in the good ‘ole NHS we are expressly forbidden from using the fire extinguishers/blankets in our buildings, despite having to attend fire safety training every year, which includes how to use the fire extinguishers… Go figure.
Even if the fire is one sheet of A4 in a bin, we are not to use the extinguishers under any circumstances… We’ll be disciplined if we do!
Now I know they’re worried that we might get above ourselves, come over all fireman Sam and kill ourselves in the process of trying to put out an inferno with a 5kg extinguisher. I’m sorry but most people who work for the NHS aren’t idiots. Some might be arrogant, obtuse, self-important and general pains in the arse but not idiots. I know the difference between tackling a bin that’s on fire and a raging inferno. If someone was stupid enough to try and put out a Buncefield with a 5kg extinguisher surely we should look upon that as our entry to the Darwin Awards and be done with it?
On the personal safety front our training amounts to precisely… zero. Generally speaking I’m pretty good at not getting myself into situations where things can happen, but the Marines taught me that, not the ambulance service. Mind you three absences due to assaults on the job in the last two years might say otherwise…
Regards,
TaffyMedic
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