Rave On….. I think….. Or Maybe Not! Who knows?
May 11, 2008 by inspectorgadget
Ravers are citizens too you know!
Besides, now that you can’t smoke in Pubs and Clubs, what’s a girl to do?
Come on angry residents; live a little, you never know…….. you might enjoy it!
After all, if the organiser had been prosecuted, he would have been sentenced to………. nothing!
Gadget Note: Clearly, if any drug offences take place at Raves, Inspector Gadget would be the first to order the immediate arrest of any person involved. Or not. Depending upon the Government’s classification of the particular drug. Or not. Confused? So is everybody.
Bl**dy hell guv i’d like to arrest her. Lol….errr am i allowed to say that??!!
So are we back to arresting people who otherwise would not have been arrested, unless they met certain conditions which required their arrest or the Officer thought they should be arrested?
I understand this is so that the people who will now be arrested will receive a supposed 5 years for the offence for which they are arrested rather than the 2 years they may have received should they have been arrested for the offence using the previous rules to decided whether of not they could have been arrested.
Is it worth pointing out that regardless of whether you use the current rules where the arrest is dependant on certain conditions of the Officer thought they should be arrested or whether you use the new rules which are also the old rules governing whether someone should be arrested no one is going to get any sentence approaching two years which sort of makes the changed from the current rules to the new rules which are also the old rules a bit pointless really.
Blimey, its not as if “reefer blindness” hasn’t afflicted every officer at the Notting Hill Carnival since the mid 80’s.
Its seems that the Nulabour Hippies have crumbled under the relentless pressure of the ACPO fascists. This just disturbs my world view, experience hath taught me that that ACPO were the hippies and NuLabour were the facists.
Maybe their all hippie facists or facist hippies depending on what side of the bed they got out of, is that a new definition for the liberal elite?
I also understand that the experts (plural, a panel apparently) who gave expert but contradictory advice were ignored. At least that makes sense, ACPO and NuLabour, have never been held back by any amount of expert advice.
They say its all about this here Reefer Madness, which i though t was a Public Information Campaign from the 40’s. I duno what their problem is, i mean regardless whether they are criminals, insane or criminally insane we deal with them regardless. Hows this going to change anything, its not as if we have a Mental Health system overstressed, for that to happen we would need a mental health system to overstress.
If i were cynical i would suggest that its just Political manoeuvring to try and do something about their impending political doom, T minus 2 years and counting, but i am not cynical, honest.
If that was in Norfolk, wouldn’t the Dep CC question whether a crime really, really had been comitted?
Wot notellin said,#2
You should be out arresting proper criminals, not worrying some druggie tart who happens to have dropped an ‘E’.
Some Bloke: dropping an E is a proper crime. Selling them is an even properer crime. I think the thing about this rave though was more the fact that it was in a wood and went on through the night, while people from 80 yo 8 months were trying to sleep.
Personally, I couldn’t care less if people want to kill themselves with drugs. But they should do it somewhere where I can’t hear them.
Making the nationals last week was the story that Kent Police could do nothing about ‘raves’ being regularly held in woodland, close to the M25 and the border between Bromley and Sevenoaks Districty Council because of the Health & Safety implications of police activity during the hours of darkness.
The local sector inspector said so during a comunity meeting, she is also therefore probably responsible for the heart attack/stroke figures going through the roof and skewing the figures for West Kent NHS Trust.
The Sunday Telegraph published a letter from her boss, the chief suprnintendo in Maidstone who said the reason fro police being unable to deal with the rave on one occasion was because of a series of serious/critical incidents around the same time elsewhere.
Who does one believe?
The location was infamous anyway becuase it had been used by members of the extensice ‘dogging’ community (which the police had also done nothing about - apart from entering into a partnership with the ‘Safe Dogging’ Campaign - England)
Ravers and Doggers it seems are OK braving the woodland environment, but the British police in the 21st century aren’t.
How sad.
Ranter
Who says police officers are not also Ravers and Doggers?
There is a dedicated ‘Dogging’ place in the North Sea…called ‘Dogger Bank’ cant they go there.
Also fairly close by (500 miles or so?) is the small village of Ravenscar…cant the Rave people go there and make it their cultural home? (It needs livening up thats for sure!)
And what happened to the good old ‘Discotheque’ where for thruppence ha’penny and the wearing of a shirt and tie guaranteed a night of jollification and sophistication in trying to cop off with the ‘fairer’ sex?
All this new fangled Technical, Hippity Hoppity, Wrapping, Garden Shed (or is it Garage?) music with the youngsters overdosing on sherbet dips and turkey twizzlers is a national disgrace!
Its up to the Police to ‘get down and groovy’ with the ‘yoof’ and form a dedicated squad of officers specially trained to listen to unintelligible sounds and interact by selling drugs so that the dealers are squeezed out!
Come on Inspector Gadgett! Be at the forefront of community policing and put together a ‘Rave Squad’ modelled loosely on the ‘Riot Squads’ but distinguished by the wearing of plastic whistles and glo sticks!
An article from today’s press. Caused me serious stress as I don’t know whether to buy a pink beanbag to go with my pink slippers or have a contrasting colour.
Burglars and thieves could escape jail if they commit their crimes because of addiction to drink, drugs or gambling, under proposed sentencing guidelines.
The recommendation is contained in a consultation on how judges should punish those convicted of thefts and burglaries.
The document, from the Sentencing Guidelines Council, details how serious offences should be assessed and when judges should make allowances for mitigating circumstances.
The guidelines say: “Many offenders convicted of acquisitive crimes are motivated by an addiction, often to drugs or gambling. This does not mitigate the seriousness of the offence but an offender’s dependency may properly influence the type of sentence.”
They suggest that rather than a prison term, “it may sometimes be appropriate to impose a drug rehabilitation requirement or an alcohol treatment requirement as part of a community order or a suspended sentence order in an attempt to break the cycle of addiction and offending, even if an immediate custodial sentence would otherwise be warranted”.
The document states that if “an offence has been committed in desperation or need arising from particular hardship”, that may keep someone out of jail in exceptional circumstances.
The Conservatives suggested that judges were being pressed to keep offenders out of jail to ease over-crowding in cells.
Nick Herbert, the shadow justice secretary, said: “People will be uncomfortable with the idea that professional thieves who prey on the vulnerable may only receive community service.”
Patrick Mercer, a Tory member of the Commons home affairs committee, said: “Rehabilitation can go on in prison. I don’t see why these are mitigating factors.”
The deadline for consultation is the end of next week.
I am sure i have possibly served in a similar force at some point in time . I remember turning up at an illegal rave… 800 people attended.
Me and my fellow officer (which was all we could muster at 4 am on a sunday morning) just said “whose the chief grunger…….all right mate we will be back about midday to kick you out”
same everywhere.
I hope you keep to your promise when the book is published.
x
For those of you who dont know. DILLIGAF stands for DO I LOOK LIKE I GIVE A F**K.
IG, Indeed.
I both suspected and knew many officers I worked with to be one or the other OR indeed BOTH, but even those managed to separate their professional and public lives from their sordid, seedy private ones.
These days I’m sure there ought to be a ‘police dogging society’ or a ‘British Police Rave Organisation’ run along the lines of the BPA.
There aren’t any of those now are there?
With regard to my original silliness, I just wish that police spokesmen AND women could get their stories straight as in this instance they just looked and sounded mendacious.
or perhaps, fellatious?
My wife used to be a Coronary Care nurse treating exceptionally ill people so it is an obvious necessity that she be at the top of her game when on duty. Several years ago there were a number of illegal raves close to where we lived which seriously affected our sleep patterns (meaning we had no sleep at all due to the noise). Official complaints were met with “the offences are tresspass which is a civil offence and noise pollution which is down to the Council so we aren’t doing anything” or similar words (very embarrassing with me being in the job). The identities of the main organisers became known and revenge was sweet with their home phone numbers being passed around the area and them receiving constant phone calls during the night. If someone else answered, the reason for the phone call was given with the suggestion that the subject be blamed for this. Of course, I had no part in this and was shocked that the locals could take such vigilante action. The raves stopped as quickly as they started.
On a more serious note, the effects of sleep deprivation on a large portion of the public should not be taken lightly. Would you be happy if your holiday flight was cancelled because the pilot couldn’t fly due to lack of sleep, or a surgeon was due to operate on a relative of yours, or even if your morning milk didn’t arrive because the milkman had (finally) gone to sleep and slept in. This sort of ignorant and inconsiderate anti-social behaviour should be dealt with more seriously (I did read of one irate resident in the north of England some years ago who attacked the sound equipment at a rave with a shotgun)! How long before one of the organisers is the target?
Good blog.
Sleep deprivation causes road accidents.
Probably increases the risk of strokes in the elderly and interferes with the rearing of babies.
And it is damned unpleasant.
Joke your way out of this.
john cramer
I know all about sleep deprivation - I attend the Monday Meetings at the police station remember!
PC DILLIGAF
I will keep my promise when the book is published; will you be buying one of the Gadget T Shirts which I am about to launch upon an unsuspecting world? I hope all is well, rumour has it that you may be coming back to Ruralshire?
IG - I’ll buy one, but I won’t get nicked for wearing one will I? It won’t upset anyone from the ‘easily offended community’ ** will it?
**in this case ACPO and/or the wannabe ACPO comoonitteee.
In Quietshire (my previous force, sorry, service) it was exactly the same. The ‘ravers’ would turn up. The phones would start ringing with people complaining about the noise and we’d send the one, SINGLE CREWED panda to ‘monitor’ the situation.
Basically, the ravers could get away with anything, and they knew it. My sympathies lay with the call handlers who were bombarded with calls from angry MOP’s and had to find ways of making “we’re powerless to stop it” sound acceptable.
Perhaps we should go down the ‘Citizen Focus’ line and tell complainants that they ‘think’ they can hear loud music keeping them awake all night, but in fact, they can’t. It isn’t really happening. It’s just a few people exercising their ‘yuman rites’ and expressing their joy at being alive. A joy which they clearly wish to share with as many people as possible. And what’s more, the complainants are getting the latest ‘garage’ and ‘house’ sounds broadcast direct to their homes FOR FREE! No more trudging to the shops to buy a CD, or tiresome downloading from the internet. Just open your bedroom window on a summers evening and get non-stop drum ‘n bass for up to 48 hours for nothing!
What are these people complaining about?
Citizen Focus - too many (minor) issues, too many (minor) demands, too soft, too fluffy and too insignificant to most MOP’s I would suggest who want to see action not talk.
I was asked years ago by my then Chief Inspector at a career review where I saw the Police Force going in the future - why the hell was he asking me. I was an 8 year PC. How the hell should I know. I was enjoying myself driving fast cars, chasing people and fighting with anyone who wanted a fight - daily.
I did say then that i saw us having a 3 tier system;
+Smiley wardens - Funnily enough now in being and called PCSO’s
+24/7 cops - Now the beleagured response cops answering call after call. Not much time for smiling and having a chat anymore.
+A tough third tier of kick ass cops whose sole aim is to lock people up and are there all the time not distracted by meetings, neighbourhood policing, et al. The only target they have is to lsqueeze out the bad guys.
We’ve lost a lot of ground.
‘Squeeze’ even
IG
I shall be buying your book! look forward to it, T shirt, where and when can these be purchased?
Trouble is if we did get wind of a rave and massed thr troops to go in and stop it the end result could well be a riot or people killed falling off cliffs into rivers etc as they try to escapt though the woods and all sorts of other stuff.
Then the newspapers would be full of heavy handed cops cause chaos whilst stopping peaceful party type headlines.
We are always damned if we do and damned if we don;t. This will never change. For example for everyone who hates speed cameras there are others who bang on about why they need one in there street/town/village and demand that the Police go out and catch more speeders. I’ve been to many a Parish council meeting where all they go one about is speeders and why aren’t we doing anything.
doggers?
Off topic.
1,100 billion to prop up a failed bank.
2, 50 billion pumped into the banking system.
3, 2,7 billion to buy/bribe the voters at next weeks Crewe and Nantwich by-election.
4, 30 million police back pay would destabilise the economy and lead to increased inflation.
Sir, as per usual the rumours are untrue.
I am happy very happy where I am thank you…..however its nice to know things are the same everywhere.
However I do believe I have found a force that has more paper work and people on front line policing deal with everything .
For instance the other day I took a false imprisonment and ABH (Domestic ) to CID.
“Its not really in our remit…..can the shift deal with it.
Still getting paid the same though!!
PC DILLIGAF
Shame - we could do with you back - we have a lack of experience on Response at the moment. Good luck, if you need anything from Ruralshire give me a bell anytime!!
Thanks for the compliment guv,
I shall make sure you get my address for the book(something I am looking forward to)
I have read this blog, plus others over the last year and have very much enjoyed them all.
I only have 16 years left and will miss them when i am gone!
If only i had thought of a blog 8 years ago !!!!
Oh, by the way once you have made your millions on the book are you quitting the blog ?? ( a question that is on everyones lips)
I’ll be happy if I make a Fiver!
I’ll quit the Blog when the nonsense stops - i.e. probably never
IG, i tried to post a comment on the blog earlier but it wouldn’t appear, just curious if you’ve restricted comments now or if i have a browser bug…
The nonsense will never stop.
You never know if ever there was a chief supt or chief const that had the balls to make a difference, things may change for the better.
you can only wait and hope………..
Chief Superintendent Gadget?
That girl hasn’t got any tits! Eeeeuuuuuu.
Grego, unlike the police service who has many.