Raymond Horne
March 20, 2008 by inspectorgadget
This serial paedophile who is back in the UK after being deported from Australia at the end of a 12-year jail term is to be put on the sex offenders’ register.
Police Officers who read Gadget; print and keep this!
A Home Office spokesman said a notification order had been made against Horne, and he would be put on the sex offenders’ register. A notification order requires an offender to inform police of their whereabouts.
The BBC will not show you these photos.
Judy Spence, Minister for Police and Corrective Services in Queensland, told the BBC Horne had been “in and out” of the prison system since 1965.
“He is a paedophile. His last offence was a conviction of indecent dealing [sexual molestation] against a boy under 14 years of age.
“If he had stayed in Queensland, we would have regarded him as someone we would have wanted to watch for the next 15 years under very close supervision.”
Publishing these pictures is something new for this Blog; a kind of Intelligence Briefing for the thirty thousand readers who visit here each week.
One to look out for - can’t blame them for sending him here though - we used to dump on them big time!
Photos on ITN 1830 20.03.08
Good for ITN
I can see a few Father Christmas’s getting nicked this year.
We’ve let one in and now the floodgates will open with every country sending their like to our shores.
Is how he’s monitored under the sex offenders register any different because the crimes to place in another country?
Could we borrow the Aussie government for a couple of weeks?
Thank goodness someone is taking notice of what people want to know, for someone this dangerous to be allowed to be free without the public knowing where and under what supervision is frightening.
The Australian Government is showing some balls by letting other countries know that such people WILL be deported back to their country of origin after serving sentences for offences against their laws. What chance do you think this puerile lot will show the same determination - they’re more likely to give them a house and an income - as long as it’s not too close to a Labour MP.
This is not a bad start but the bad news is, if you live in any decent size of town, there is someone just as bad within a mile or two of your house. This one apparently goes after pubescent boys. I think most people feel strongest about the ones who go after little kids.
We watch the really really dangerous 100% will grab a kid ones sometimes. The rest its a lottery I’m afraid. There isn’t a good reliable cure although you can decrease the frequency of offences with treatment, sometimes.
Watch your kids, know you neighbours. Oh sorry, we stopped doing that some years ago.
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I’m seriously surprised that the Aussies haven’t added chemical castration onto their sentences - as if ever there was a deserving case - this guy is it. Good for the Aussies for deporting him, only trouble is, we’ll be paying for his dole/housing/food now thanks to President Blairown.
However, even though I do approve of deportation, one has to ask the Aussies, if you welcomed him into Australia in the first place on a legit basis, shouldn’t you thereafter be responsible for him?
Perhaps, rather than just searching for other planets to inhabit, we ought to be using the ones we’ve found so far to send these people, (incl Chavs of course) to, so that they can all start another life together up there, unsupervised and free to do as they will to one another.
I think that you will find that he never took australian citizenship and remained a british national with a UK passport.
That gave the Queensland govt the mechanism to have him declared a Prohibited non citizen and deport him.
This squeezer will now be a drain on our taxpayers and resources.
Some well meaning individuals will do a “joint visit” and make sure he gets looked after.
Castrate the fooker!
Reminded me of a story from the 80s when a colleague was emigrating to oz, he was asked at the embassy interview if he had a criminal record, he said he didnt realise one was still needed!! Classic.
There must be an awful lot of people that look like that picture. So you want a lynch mob?
I think the most dangerous man in the country right now is Jack Straw, he’s yet again recommending sending fewer people to prison and releasing even more before their time is up.
Nice to know my taxes will be paying for yet another sponger to do whatever they want (screwing kids in this instance).
We could copy a few things from the Australians in general - i like a lot of their immigration policies. For a country that was effectively an island prison colony for a long time (setting aside the native aussies) they’ve done pretty well for themselves.
Nightjack:
‘There isn’t a good reliable cure although you can decrease the frequency of offences with treatment, sometimes’
There is a very good reliable cure. Its a bullet to the head.
100% effective!
MOP #17
That is true and is a comment I have heard from a specialist psychiatrist who works full time with child abusers. He says this in lectures “I have found a cure that works every time, it is a bullet behind the ear. Anything else I can do just slows them down.”
Sadly the bullet ear thing isn’t allowed at the moment.
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Captain Birdseye always did scare me as a child.
On a serious not though IG, well done re this.Doubtless some bleeding heart pseudo intelligentsia liberal who starts each phrase with the word “basically” will take pity and defend them to the hilt.
Only discovered this blog a couple of weeks ago. First class old chap.Keep up the good work.
Now i’m starting to sound like a “down with the pc’s” member of SMT.
A bit of a liberty by the Aussies on sending Uncle Albert back to the UK. I wouldn’t mind if he’d only moved out there a few years ago but he’s been there since he was 5 years old, having gone out as a ten pound Pom in 1955.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/pedophile-extremely-dangerous/2008/03/21/1205602629235.html
from this mornings paper.
The fact that this man was deported to the UK but
… On the other hand, the Court of Appeal has decided that a 38-year-old Italian, who lives in Newport, Gwent, cannot be deported from the UK, even though he has served a nine-year jail term, after attacking and robbing a pensioner.
As with Learco Chindamo, the authorities are prevented from deporting him by EU law – our old friend Directive 2004/38/EC.
… The criminal, whose identity was protected by the court, moved to Britain as a teenager … A judge called the offence a “brutal, cowardly attack”. … is discussed at http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2008/03/compare-and-contrast.html
There was someone on TV last night saying that this man will be closely monitored and that there will be a ‘multi-agency’ action plan to deal with him.
So, that’s okay then.
How long before he reoffends and the same spokesperson says “Lessons will be learned and we must make sure this never happens again”?
I don’t blame the Aussies for sending him back. Would you want some beast like him living in your country ?
Saying that, it has annoyed me that someone who has lived most of his life over there is going to be dumped on us and we will have to pick up the tab. Could we not have put him on a ship going back down under to return him, when he gets there, they do the same and the beast spends the rest of his life in transit between Australia and the UK. A game of ping pong with a monster.
On a serious note, you just know that a child here is going to suffer and he will be responsible. It doesn’t matter how much of a multi agency w**kspeak approach is given, you can’t watch him 24 hrs a day.
How long before he reoffends after arriving in the UK ?
A tight supervision order until old age claims him. In this case roll on mortality. I hope he smokes.
Lest he gets homesick, how about some redbacks in the dunny? A surprise tribute from down under, as it were.
As said, he’s a British national and transporting convicts here is legally sound, but conceded through clenched teeth.
As for comparisons with Chindamo, the farcical legal argument against his deportation was based on the length of time he had stayed in Britain. Never mind that most of it was spent in prison for murder. I don’t doubt that lawyers are usually intelligent: to make such nonsense plausible they have to be.
Someone’s got to the Uncle Albert before me (apologies to the late Mr Merryfield, the moment when the chandelier smashed has never, ever been bettered).
Dave H the problem with Chindamo et al is Europe. Unless we renegotiate our position within the EU the numbers of Euroscum will only increase. As it is we are unable to turn away criminals from EU states unless they have a deportation order.
I applaud the Australian government for doing the right thing. They have an effective immigration policy and border controls that work. Meanwhile in Britain we get the dross of Europe and can do nothing to turn them away. How many perverts have come from former Eastern bloc countries? Would they tell us? Not bloody likely.
Better perhaps ‘the most farcical of the arguments’.
I don’t think ’supervision order’ was right either, not at his age anyway. ‘Control order’ might have been more accurate. Whatever it’s called, electronically monitor his compliance with a list of restrictions, and if he breaches any of them, put him inside for good.
People go on about Aussies & convicts. I reckon most Brits kind of admire them as a nation, but it’s worrying that an awful lot of them must be descended from warders.
Correct me if I am wrong but a colleague once said that it takes a team of more than 20 officers to do a constant watch on 1 person.
If it is true, it is unrealistic to think that this guy will be watched properly.
SL @ 28 You can do it with less than 20 for a shift. Round the clock mobile needs more than that.
You better face the facts that he is here and at liberty and we (the cops) will not be able to monitor him 24/7 7/7 or even 14/31. If he doesn’t offend before he carks it, it will be more by good luck than judgement.
I would also add that although this man IS v v v bad, he is by no means the worst that our colleagues in High Risk Offenders Teams are looking at. Even in my Force, I can think of 3 or 4 that I would deploy my surveillance teams on before Raymond Horne.
Wasn’t it Grandad on ‘Only fools’ that hit the hammer and the funniest piece of TV ever, then happened?
Yes, but it was Lennard Pierce not Buster Merryfield. Made the same mistake myself at first.
Still, other than kill or castrate him, nobody seems to agree on a safe & resourced suggestion for the sadly still alive Mr Horne.
When will we have the opportunity to leave the EU. Then we would with any luck return to some sort of realism.
I don’t for one moment blame the Australian government for deporting Horne. They are looking after their citizens.
Wouldn’t it be nice if our government revoked Horne’s citizenship. But then again he would receive legal aide to take the government to the EU court for breaching his Human Rights.
Some of you seem to think everything is ok in Australia but this does`nt look much better than the situation over here .The grass is always greener. http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/archive_details_list.php?article_id=581
MAPPAs and PPOs will never be able to properly monitor all the offenders on the register. They haven’t got the time, the personnel. The law also fails to provide them with the means to do the job properly. These people should be visted regularly and have to let officers into their homes and the officers should be able to undertake random property and computer searches for these scum.
As for this piece of filth, he should have been transported back in the plane’s wheel bays. We now have to house this piece of scum, pay him a pension, provide healthcare etc etc and use valuable resources ‘watching’ him. What a joke.
Let’s be honest, when the police say they are “watching” someone, they mean the person has conditions to notify the police of their whereabouts. If they fail to do so, it will be discovered some months/years down the line when someone happens to arrest them in another part of the country for molesting a child and thinks, “You shouldn’t be here, by jove”.
All the monitoring and reviewing of offenders is basically bollocks, especially paedophiles.
Ultimately, one of the reasons these creatures do what they do, is there is little in the way of deterrents and some of the approaches seem to put them in touch with other likeminded bacteria.
Like nightjack @29 said, there are worse than Mr Horne out there (here)
The chandelier episode has brough back memories!
What do we do about it folks?
We know that its broken, but what do we do about it?
Can’t blame the Aussies. I’d want our government to do the same. (as if)
Not so long ago I was getting e-mails from a friend who has emigrated to Australia urging me to sign a petition against allowing the killers of Jamie Bulger to go live there. Must admit, as the father of a young kid, it sounded like a great idea to me!
Jaegerdude @37 there are limited options regarding child abusers.
Lots more cops or civilian surveillance officers. Too expensive either way
People start knowing where their kids are and what they are doing. Hmmm nice idea but there is a reason why predatory child abusers gravitate to low rent areas.
It may be that we end up with the angry mob scenario happening lots. I am against vigilante action but child abusers are a big red button item. Best make sure that B&Q stop stocking tar or pitchforks.
I can understand how concerned the residents of the UK are about this man being sent to your country. Face it- as you have been shown- there are thousands of child abusers in your country already. The latest one is not necessarily the greatest threat to your children. It is parents and carers responsibility to teach your children safety measures for their protection. This should not be taken lightly as child abuse usually comes from people the children know and trust.
It seems to make us feel better when we can put another human being down. You do not know what caused this man’s problem and if you did you would more than likely feel a lot more compassion for him, even though it’s outworking is so awful.
Put youself in this man’s shoes. It was not his wish to return to Engalnd. He can have no memory of a life there and as you have been told he has no family or friends.
Instead of bagging the guy pray, that he will be shown some compassion so that his need to re-offend will be diminished. It seems a gross miscarriage of the law that you have been landed with him. Write to the Australian Government and express your concerns but stop playing Judge unless you are without fault in your own life.
Jesus, is that you Polly Toynbee spouting liberal bollocks about the place? I am not without fault but being a serious threat to other peoples kids is not one of them!
Carol McNally @ 40
How dare you begin to justify what this man has done. What an insult to those he has offended against ? It is because of this do-gooder attitude and need to blame someone else for his offending that has made it so easy for criminals in this country.
His need to re-offend won’t lesson because he is shown compassion. He will only use this compassion to worm his way into another child’s life.
Carol MvNally
I could have sympathy for him when he was young, because it was probably then that something damaged him. Most likely he was the victim of childhood sexual abuse himself. Perhaps if he had been helped back then, there’s a chance he would have turned out differently.
But I don‘t have any sympathy for him now. Sympathy should be reserved for his victims. He‘s spent his adult life damaging other peoples‘ childhoods, spreading his disease.
I don‘t want him killed, but we shouldn‘t allow him to create any more victims before he dies.
A double-tap job if ever there was one.
This kind of action by the Gummint will see vigilantes on the streets. People have had enough of this crap.
Carol McNally,never met you so I don’t know your circumstances. If you have any children/grandchildren then allow Horne to live with you. or is that to close to home in your bleeding heart liberal world?.
My comments were in no way meant to condone or justify this man’s actions. They were meant to encourage you to see the bigger picture. Child sexual abuse is rife in our society. It is happening to far too many children and as I mentioned by people the children know and trust. Mostly it stays hidden as the victims are either sworn to secrecy
or afraid of the repercussions if they tell. Sexual abuse by strangers or new acquaintances happens far less.
Sexual abuse has happened to those closest to me so I am not removed from the pain of it, I just desire to see our children made abuse proof.
If every child abuser was found and put in prison, our prisons would not hold them. It’s the ones you don’t know about that you need to worry about. It can happen right under your nose, especially if you think only a monster would abuse a child.
There are pedophiles who have no desire to change. Permanent incarceration is the only way to deal with them. Castration is probably a justifiable option if it will protect children, for those who have repeatedly offended, but what about those who have never been caught- how are you going to protect your children from them?
Your reactions to my comments are understandable but you haven’t picked up on the point I was trying to make.
I believe it was extremely wrong for this man to be deported and as has been pointed out, put in a situation where he is more likely to re-offend. He does not deserve compassion but he does need it.
I also do not mean to make light of the harm done to victims of any kind of child sexual abuse- no punishment of the offender can ever take away the consequences of the abuse and as has been mentioned abusers have often been abused. That cycle needs to be broken.
What I am saying is that the problem is far bigger than Ray Horne and deserves your attention.
Carol McNally @ 46 Why is wrong for him to have been deported?. Its a pity that our own government doesn’t show some of the back bone that the Australian government has shown.
In ans to 47 Bob Basically because he has never had another life other than the one in Australia. He obviously had no say in his coming to Australia and has been treated as an Australian up until the immigration Dept decided he was no longer welcome.
Carol McNally, So what I don’t care about Horne he lost his right to consideration and care the moment he abused children.
What about the Australian children he SEXUALLY abused they never asked for him to live there.
There are victims but Horne is not one of them so don’t attempt to make him a victim he is a dirty pervert.
Carol, you started your answer with the word basically [48], someone said you would.
Carol, I am not sure if you are just having a laugh here, or if you believe what it is that you have written….But I (we) CAN cast the first stone, because when it comes to living a blameless life, we are not talking about stealing stationary from work here. We are not talking about breaking the speed limit.
We are talking kiddy fiddling. Sexual. Abuse. Of. A. Child.
Nay, children even.
Compasion, my arse. Chemical castration? Sure. I sugest the following compound may have the required effect: Chemical symbol Pb, atomic number 82 and Atomic mass of about 207. 1 dose (about 230 grains) delivered in a once only application to a site just below the right ear.
I’ll do it if you are too squeamish, just to ‘Break the cycle’ as you put it.
Rusty Ray
I once picked the wrong chap out at an identity parade. I’d had quite a few dealings with the real criminal several months before, but my memory played a trick or two on me – as it does.
If this guy shaved off his beard, no one would recognise him, at least not from the photographs on this blog, nor I suspect from any other source. But the poor old loser who just happens to look like Captain Birdseye, walking through your average low life council estate would be in mortal danger from any of the hundreds of ‘live-in’ lovers who also happen to be sh*gging their present girl friend’s twelve-year-old daughter (or son of course, mustn’t be sexist). After all, what better way to prove their masculinity, citizenship, and assuage their masochistic tendencies at the same time (not to mention having a bit of fun into the bargain).
Printing photographs such as this is as much practical use as making a brew in the proverbial chocolate teapot. What it does do however is encourage the aforesaid scumbags to seek out innocent people and ‘teach them a lesson’. Yes, well done Gadget, you should be BL**DY ashamed of yourself. Take these photo’s down before someone gets hurt – or do you consider the occasional mistaken example of vengeance worth that risk? Paediatricians? Paedophiles? PederPan – who gives a sh*t. Not Wayne off the estate, that’s for sure.
p.s. bl**dy good blog otherwise – thanks.
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I work for a press agency and it would appear that the first place Horne was housed was wholly inappropriate which was also the case with Robert Excell when he was deported in very similar circumstances.
Horne has since been moved and we missed him by days.
Any information regarding his whereabouts now would be treated with the strictest of confidence and would be worthy of a very large brown envelope of the George Graham variety.
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