Cucumber Sandwich.
February 19, 2008 by inspectorgadget
The last decent working family, the Jenkins, moved out of Empire Crescent in Ruraltown on Monday.
The PSU team stood around dressed in black Kevlar and Goretex. Over the years they have cultivated a ‘bored’ look. This is used to convince the locals that they are unconcerned about being outnumbered. They chew gum, lean on their shields and chat about football and the new girl on Response Team Five.
The PSU is needed to keep order while the family load the contents of their home into an HGV. The removal companies in Ruraltown refused to do the job. A firm from Metrocity has arrived and they are working fast.
The Balkanisation of Ruraltown continues. Nothing is sacred here.
I am present in my role as ‘Public Order Silver’. The sacrificial lamb should anything go wrong.
But things have already gone wrong in Empire Crescent. The Street where English is a second language. The street where Albanian/Kosovan gangs struggle for control over the lucrative market in stolen prescription medication.
England’s home grown white trash have Benefit money to spend, and these guys will flog them anything which can be smoked, injected or snorted. And when that is done, they flog them their teenage cousins for sex. Male or Female. It doesn’t really matter in Empire Crescent.
Jenkins senior worked for British Gas as an engineer before the constant damage to the works van he parked outside his house forced his early departure from the firm. He had tried, back in the summer, to park it around the corner. Then it was stolen. His mistake was to report the damage to us. The whole family became a constant target from that point, violence, damage, paint on the house and the final straw; they killed the family pets.
I remember deploying the PSU in support of a Community Officer who tried to investigate that crime. We helped with the ‘house to house’. I asked a fat man dripping in Gold wearing a fur coat and grubby jeans if he had seen anything.
He drew a swollen finger across his neck said to me;
“I cut your fucking head off you come here again Englishman”
I take it that’s a ‘no’ then.
One of my team gets ‘kitted up’ for Empire Crescent.
Later on in the day I called the Neighbourhood Policing Team and asked the Skipper what the plan is to tackle these people. After a five minute lecture about the various ways in which a “multi-agency engagement process with the minority ethnic population” could help, I replaced the handset quietly and let him carry on talking to himself. Why not? He is the only one left who believes any of it.
I climb slowly in all my gear to the empty top floor room which was our pre-McPherson, kitchen. Closed years ago to prevent ‘Canteen Culture’, we still use it to perch on the dusty boxes and eat our meals. I am momentarily confused as I pass the new girl from Response Team Five on the stairs. She looks flustered but content as she takes the steps downward two at a time.
The team stand up as I walk in.
“Cucumber sandwich Guv?” asks Sergeant Dan without a hint of irony.
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Guv,
I’ve never heard of anything this bad! Bloody Hell! All true with no embellishments I guess? Head-shakingly atrocious. I almost feel sorry for the neighbourhood sarge you mention but I’ll bet that he’s been promoted far too early with not enough service (well he has if it’s anything like the norm) ’cause he just HAD to get off the street ASAP.
Please tell us that no one actually believes this stuff?!!!
MOP’s dont find out about things like this as anything that dispels the myth of community cohesion is suppressed and not allowed to be reported.
Tell-tale sign that this might be tosh:
“The street where Albanian and Kosovan gangs struggle for control over the lucrative market in stolen prescription medication.”
Um… Kosovans are Albanians (at least, ethnically speaking).
Gavin Whenman, you are are tit. Prescriptions medication is being moved in, around and out of this country at such a rate that it is unbelievable.
Gavin - fair play; should have been a / instead of an ‘and’ will correct.
Ah-ha! Fair enough.
On a more serious note, is there much inter (or intra, even)-ethnic violence where you are, or is it more of a case that one group dominates the “gang culture” there? (completely geeky question, I know, but I’m genuinely interested).
When we are faced with cancer, it is wise to cut it out as soon as possible.
What I know is that time and time again our divisional commanders and our operations managers are unable to get to grips with a concentrated cluster of scumbag oxygen thieves until the cancer is huge and spreading.
Word soon travels down the criminal newtworks….Come here to Ruralshire (or wherever), its dead easy, no hassle from the cops, not like home. Can you believe it, you don’t even have to buy them off?
Karim “Can you believe it my cousin, we are ripping the lungs out of these people and still their Police do nothing?”
Ramiz “Yes it is amazing. No matter what we do, nothing happens. I wonder what we have to do before the Police do something?”
Karim “Don’t worry. Remember cousin Tarek, they got him last week. They let him go, they found him with the stolen van, he just hahahaha forgot his English, told them some old rubbish about having bought it off a man in the street just like in the old country and you know, they believed it. Hahahaha”
Ramiz “You are right Karim. Truly this is the promised land. They don’t know us, they will never know us.”
Karim “So when is your brother arriving?”
Truth is, we, the Police are a big gang if we are pointed in the same direction for long enough. A street like that needs
1) IG and the OSU for as long as it takes
2) The surveillance team for as long as it takes
3) Foot patrols, lots and lots and lots
4) Ruthless traffic enforcement
5) Proactive CID
6) Big teams backing each other up from the top to the bottom from front to back.
Then guess what, the baddies stop wanting to live where you Police. Its a communication age and they will go and join the blight somewhere else. Its just a matter of will and management flair.
Sorry, I just spotted the fatal flaw in my own plan.
Jesus H, Guv!
I thought that the underclass were bad down here in In-bredville!!
Gavin - there are reasons why certain Eastern European gangs have settled in, and dominate Ruralshire. I can’t tell you what they are because it would identify the County.
What I can say is that we have no intelligence on them, they mainly prey on the indigenous underclass and they are in conflict with our traditional Gypsy gangs over things like ATM raids, drug supply and armed robbery.
They are currently more successful due to their anonymity (mostly here on fake ID) and access to firearms. Many are ‘wanted’ criminals in their own country.
There are many honest immigrant communities in Ruralshire. Unfortunately I don’t deal with them because they don’t commit crimes.
nightjack- good tactical delivery plan but unfortunately a waste of time because our old friends the Courts will never sentence them properly.
“There are many honest immigrant communities in Ruralshire. Unfortunately I don’t deal with them because they don’t commit crimes.”
Never a true-r word spoken Guv.
Not only do we have to deal with the dregs & scum of our own corrupt society but that of our Eastern European cousins as well.
Nightjack is right; we are a big gang & we should be able to put the fear back into the criminal; Break the law & deal with us…..
“good tactical delivery plan but unfortunately a waste of time because our old friends the Courts will never sentence them properly.”
Er, I’d forgotten about that bit.
Can’t we just abandon Democracy, Freedom of Speech etc. etc?
Inspector Gadget for El-Presidente!
It won’t ever get to the Court stage. I am peering into the crystal ball and I see a top table meeting at HQ
ACC Ops “So Chief Supt, what’s your plan for increasing community cohesion on your patch? Are you integrating community leaders and lay advisers into your policing plan. How’s the control strategy shaping up? Have you read the latest Home Office Paper on strengthening multi agency partnerships with key stakeholders?”
Ch Supt “Sir, no sir!! I am infact declaring war on the local Albanian gang. They are taking the piss and I will have them.”
Never going to happen is it.
I.G your comment 9.46PM. Dead right it has nothing to with race or culture. If someone does not come to our attention then we, the police, have no reason to became involved with them. The people that we deal with come to our attention due to their criminal activity in whatever form that might be.
Well, that was another rough day in Ruralshire, then ? I hope the cucumber sandwich was nice, at any rate…
What a horribly morbid story about a horribly morbid reality that is creeping into every major town and city around these once sceptred Isles.
I don’t know how my younger brother stuck the job for 25 years, and still says he enjoyed it.
As a MoP, I’m not up on the law, or PACE, but surely threatening to kill a police officer is an arrestable offense?
Kalessin, you’d think, but actually it’s pretty much an offence for some of these people NOT to threaten to kill you. And you’d never get it through the courts anyway. And if you did, they’d only get a few hours painting as punishment. Which they wouldn’t do anyway.
Nice post Guv, but if you’re the sacreficial lamb, what poor sucker was bronze. Here in Metro, I’ve never known a silver with less than 3 pips………….Respect.
If they want to us ‘cultural sensitivity’ as their shield – then give them exactly what they want. I know, it’s a fantasy dream….
“I understand fully Mr Skank.
Things are done differently in ***insert third world crap hole here*** and the police don’t understand you? We have had this problem before sir, thus may I be permitted to introduce “Officer Guido” on exchange from ***insert third world crap hole here***. He is intimately familiar with the policing culture you are used to in ‘the old country’ – fully trained in the creative use of steel batons, electrodes, steel capped boots, heavy calibre firearms and lack of apologies.
So Mr Skank – would you like to try use our rules and our culture? But if you prefer on maintaining your own cultural values, we would be happy to respect the way policing is done where you’re from, and Officer Guido would be happy to assist you in this matter in a quick and efficient manner.
Hmmm. Sir, I must ask you to defecate in your pants at another time, as officer Guido has many more peoples cultures to respect.”
IG - response inspector, PSU commander, IPOC bronze/silver…….are you, er, me?
I’m just eating my porridge before going in for my first early. Luckily on my patch we don’t have anything as bad as that. if we did we’d be crawling over ourselves to find new ways to respect them.
My greatest source of apprehension before going into work isn’t the live police work that my shift will do and I will preside over. Its the 9.45 Daily Management Meeting. Which as response inspector I will be expected to chair. I will be expected to come in from whatever live incident is occurring, to a room where the tasking inspector, intel inspector and custody inspector, with a smattering of others, will sit mute until I arrive. If I don’t arrive, they will ask for the duty sergeant to chair their meeting. This happened last week when I didn’t come in because of a fatal stabbing.
They couldn’t run a difficult job like the one you’ve described above if their lives depended on it. Which they don’t, coz they’re safe in their 9 to 5 swivel chair and laptop jobs. Yet they “direct” and “drive” our “business”, as long as it doesn’t involve anything that we “might be criticised” for.
Half my fellow inspectors in my force are scared of their own shadows.
Spitting Feathers
Read Blood Red Shoes for an account of our morning meetings.
A disturbing post
Mullticulturism in NuLabour’s 21st Century or in other words mass uncontrolled immigration. UK dustbin.
Guv what you need is Robust plan and heres my suggestion:
Operation Generally Impressive Tactics aka Op GIT
1) Albania or Serbia or even the newly independant state of Kosovo are not in the European Union and therefore do not fall under the rules governing mobility of labour.
2) All Three countries I understand are deemed safe to be returned to.
3) Those immigration types like chocolate hobnobs.
4) Ignore all Policies except those that allow you to take a multi-agency approach with Immigration.
5) Arrest and charge as many as possible and whilst they are in cells get immigration out to serve papers (chocolate hobnobs may be required)
6) Set up one those multiagency approaches that the SMT so love these days and go raid every house with a someone in that looks at you funny. Call it a drugs / immigration / Safer Neighbourhood / detection gathering day.
7) Repeat step 6 (lots)
9) Pester the council until they kick them out of their social housing
10) Justify the Operation GIT on the grounds that you are “Acting in a Robust manner toi diffuse community tension”
I think we’re loosing sight of the real problem, it’s not just immigrants. We’re in danger of sounding like the Daily Mail.
Remember - 99% of our ‘customers’ lack the intelligence to be able to solve the simplest of personal problems.
Stinky, it’s losing as in lost not loose (loosening).
I know this ‘cos I got B in GCE ‘O’ level and not a B in GCSE English.
There’s something seriously wrong with your SMT and NPT if they haven’t the balls to sort that out. Notellin and Nightjack have the right answer.Could the PSU at least not cover neighbourhood during patrols or be very pro active on the estate?Its a bit of a long shot but what about a link up with the Kosovo Police Force? A young force but full of keen peeler’s who could possibly identify some of those involved.They obviously will gaive false names but if they are from Kosovo and you get the name of a village they are from ,you can bet that some-one over there would know of the family or relatives.
On the other hand, what about the possibility some are CHIS and the bosses put up with some crap to get a bigger prize?
In other news:
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) loose something!
oh
Hang on
Just business as usual then!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7253989.stm
The world is f*cked and so am I, maybe its the other way around, I can’t decide!
Good post IG - there are a few streets like this where i live. It’s gotten to the point where the local Kebab house knows everyone on the ARU teams by name.
The few cases i do know of where criminal east euro’s have been charged they plead ignorance of our laws (for anything ranging from firearms offences to kiddie fiddling) along with a lack of ability to speak english. They usually get a fine, some piddly 1-2 month sentance or (rarely) deported depending on the seriousness of the offence.
What happened to Ignorance is not a defence? When did we decide that the accused should have victim status? At what point did we make the transition as a free society from saying:
“Freedom to behave however you want comes with Accountability for your behaviour.”
To:
“Freedom to behave however you want comes with no strings provided you have an excuse.”
A very wise man (my original sensei) once said to me: “The hardest thing in this world is to accept that you are accountable for your actions, and you alone choose your path.”
Society and our justice system it seems, don’t agree with him anymore.
Blimey - this post hits on so many different issues, I don’t know where to start. You should know, IG, that as a fellow Insp, you shouldn’t give the managers too many choices - it will only lead to the setting up of a working party to make the decision. One that you no doubt made within the first 5 minutes.
I can identify with the above situation any number of times in any number of the estates I have worked. The underclass takes over, unchallenged. They tend to have extended families in a really convoluted web of mixed relationships across the whole estate. They rob, steal, stab and then love each other. They shit on their own doorstep because the whole estate is their doorstep.
This inbreeding has gone on for generations such that any sense of the Police coming in and changing this society as they know it is never going to work.
Added to this mix are ‘outsiders’ (whether they be Eastern Eurpoean, West Indian, White British, or whatever) who see the opportunities to further their own brand of criminality………and the situation rapidly becomes as descibed by IG.
I actually do have some sympathy with the Neighbourhood Sgt. I was there once in the days before community policing became re-branded. The frustrations of being in that role are some of the greatest I’ve ever experienced. You are the very public and visible figure on the estate, and the one who is going to be attacked at every public meeting and by everyone who sees you walking the estate. You become the ‘public apologist’ for the police. Why write a letter to the Chief when you can have a go at the Sgt on the street?
And I look back to my time in the role and realise how very quickly I became institutionalised. I adopted, almost subconsciously, the management line, the talk of community cohesion and partnerhsips working towards neighbourhood regeneration. What had I become ? I was a cop after all. I am embarassed at some of the things I must have said and done.
Now I am an operational shift Insp, I have to say I have not enjoyed myself so much with my clothes on for many years. This is why I joined the police. I love the rawness of real life. Operational policing is actually quite simple. You just have to put your hand in your pocket, find your balls and do the job we’re paid to do.
And when working Lates, Nights or the weekend, I am the only boss around. No interference. Until hauled over the coals at the Daily Management Meeting the next midweek day shift (by the way, Gadget, ‘Blood Red Shoes’ is a most excellent post).
I do hesitate to criticise other officers in other non-operational roles. Most have actually spent time on the front-line. Admitedly, some far less time than others. But I have colleagues who have been on uniform shift work for 28 yrs then opt to spend the last 2 in an office. Can you blame them. Most of the bosses have history. The problem is, as I found as a community Sgt, most very often forget where they have come from. There is perhaps a similarity here between them and the underclass on the estate - they are not averse to pissing on their own.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7253933.stm
Never mind, old Jaqui ’stop looking at me tits and get me a kebab’ Smiff has another possible solution, Remember, it will be ‘the right and proper thing to do….’
Too late to do anything Jaqui love! You’ve let too many of the buggers in and you don’t know how many!!!!
IG
I’ve been reading your blog for over a year now, and yet again, this is an excellent article. For some reason though I find myself disappointed not only in the response, or should I say non-rresponse of Ruraltown SMT in dealing with this issue, but also with some of your views.
You state that you phoned the local snt skipper to find out what he is doing about the situation. Do you not think your query should have been aimed at a slightly higher pay scale?
Who has taken the lead on this issue if anyone? Surely a chief inspector or Superintendent should be dealing - I bet they would be falling over themselves if the Jenkins family had been from a visible ethnic minority. Who has liased with immigration service? Who has liased with our colleagues in the Kosovan police? If these eastern european families have been involved in drugs supply, prostitution offences and intimidation why have they not been arrested - even if no charges are forthcoming we will have their DNA/ fingerprints on the database and we will be able to confirm their identities. You never know, some of them may be wanted in their own country for offences.
I’m sorry to be critical in my first comment on your blog, but you demand action to be undertaken and as far as I can see apart from a phone call to a skipper, nothing has been achieved.
In response to Hamish, all I can say, in my Force at least, is that there has been so much downgrading of responsibilities these days that a Neighbourhood Sgt will be expected to manage these issues.
Most Ch. Insp now do the job the Ch.Supt used to do and that means other ranks picking up the pieces. The Gov and SMT don’t help. They offer special priority payments to Neighbourhood teams in recognition of their extra responsibility. They seem to think an extra £2-3K year is worth it - and if can you get a Sgt doing the job of a Ch. Insp for a mere £2-3k extra, that’s good business. If not particularly effective management.
These are not isolated issues that mean we can throw all our resources at them. Unfortunately, we suffer the consequences of too many years of inaction that we have allowed the situation to get too big. Our response is always diluted because there are not enough fingers to plug all the holes.
To Inspector Bloke @3.43pm.
I could not agree more, particularly in relation to “too many years of inaction that we have allowed the situation to get too big”. The government has a lot to answer for.
Where I differ is in the police response, we can continue with the diluted response you refer to, never really solving problems, just providing a fire brigade response to issues or… we can prioritise, focus our resources on one issue at a time (while still fulfilling our core responsibilities) and try to provide long term solutions. I would suggest that in the scenario IG describes, liason should be made with immigration, local housing authority, Home Office and our police collegues in Europe. This is most definitely not a job for a skipper despite the carrot of special priority payments.
Bottom line, when a PSU has to be provided to assist a family remove their belongings from their house, something has gone badly wrong at a high level.The blame and ultimate resolution should not be laid at the door of a local community skipper.
Bloody hell Hamish, we’ve all been asleep for years, why didn’t anyone think of that before? Amazing!
Maybe you could have a word with the government, the Home Office and ACPO and ask them why they have made simple common sense decision making and resource allocation across the board so difficult.
Are you for real?
A lot of things have gone badly wrong for many people from all communities for a long time now. If you have been reading this blog for a year now I would have thought that message would have been received R5 by you.
I’m sure you don’t read this blog in isolation, so the message would, so one would hope, have been well and truly emphasised.
Hamish all that sounds like a great plan. However we have no staff to carry it out.
Hamish, you are absolutely right, and most cops will agree with you.
As an institution we are sidetracked and distracted towards flavour of the moment priorities with which someone at the home office or ACPO can pad out a CV. Due to political interference we are never allowed to just crack on with doing the bleeding obvious, and can never approach anything with consistency or longevity. Quick win performance indicators are all the home office measure (not sure who wins though).
IG - I remember blood red shoes….I found both comfort and despair in learning I was not alone.
Hmmm I seem to have sparked some debate here.
Ranter @ 4.41pm states “Bloody hell Hamish, we’ve all been asleep for years, why didn’t anyone think of that before? Amazing!” Well clearly, from what IG writes, no-one at Ruraltown did think of this approach, or if they did, decided not to implement such an initiative, instead preferring to allow the problem to fester, eventually resulting in an innocent family being forced to move from their home.
Seasprite69 @4.47pm writes ” Hamish all that sounds like a great plan. However we have no staff to carry it out.” This is a strange comment. Clearly Ruraltown could provide a PSU of what, 1-3-18 officers, to provide a rather belated response, which and here I agree with IG, was no response at all. Also lets not forget, how many hours and officers from the core response team and community team have been wasted responding to repeated calls from the miscreants and their victims? I bet the answer is substantial.
All I’m suggesting is, and one or two officers can deal with this, is liase with muti partner agencies and try and agree a long term plan for this issue. The enforcement stage can then be dealt with in strength at a later date.
And for ranter, this is a real option rather than ranting against issues which none of us at our level can influence.
Spitting feathers, than you for your thoughtful comments.
IG - for what it’s worth I’m still a fan!
Hamish, I don’t mind being patronised at all, after all as a former police officer I am very used to it. When I did have a role within the police service at IG’s lowly level, I did try and engage in a local partnership with the Immigration Service. Their local officers were glad that someone wanted to in the local police. However, when I took this idea forward to my SMT (and I had to because of all the other initiatives and taskings being decided on at the weekly tasking and co-ordinatinf meeting) it was knocked back because it didn’t fit in with service level objectives and whatever the mission statement was at the time. To use an oft used phrase, what you suggest ain’t rocket science, it is sheer common sense, which along with the greatly valued discretion of each individual officer, has been removed under this government since 1997. As an indication of how things have developed my particular former area in SE London now has a murder on a weekly basis - normally the victim is young and is from an immigrant community. If you have any influence then good luck with your real option, until then I remain very cynical and sceptical.
Ranter,
Not sure when I patronised you, although I do remember reading “are you for real?” aimed at me. Very professional.
My option is currently being used - it is called Operation Golf in the MPS. I suggest you read up on it and then comment. It has had a lot of success.
They are allowed to behave as they wish in their country of origin and come here for an easy life to ‘escape persecution’ and the risk of getting their little problems sorted out. Be it the Romanians, Hungarians, Albanians, Kosovans, Somalians, chinese, vietnamese etc etc etc.
Some come to a new host country to work, some come to continue with a free and easy criminal lifestyle and the protection that a free and liberal society offer. This is backed up by the myriad of support on offer when at the same time we have British pensioners freezing in their homes and going hungry.
The machinery kicks in to offer endless support to them, endless protection for them against prosecution and deportation.
The Government try to make tall words cover the reducing efforts and resources available to deal with the constant hurdles and objections the liberal masses offer to prevent foreign criminals being sent back home. They are met with lame excuses and reasons not to accept a lot of them because the home countries do not want a lot of them back.
Every road, boat and plane heads west. Pity they could not all continue passed and come back around to where they could and should be if the will would allow.
Far too much money for that to happen. So the local schools, hospitals, social housing, generous support, available incarceration will be pushed further to overflowing and unable to cope with the demand.
“I cut your fucking head off you come here again Englishman”
That is definately an invitation to return again that simply is too good to refuse.
ranter
“When I did have a role within the police service at IG’s lowly level” - you cheeky beggar! What I lack in rank I make up for in readership!
Also, for everyone else
I see the Government have read my post and announced immediate measures to make it harder to come here from non EU countries. Brown reads Gadget - it’s official.
Next - why Inspectors should get £100 k per year.
Having whole communities hate you must be terrible!
“I cut your fucking head off you come here again Englishman”
would I be right in thinking this country is well and truly finished?
Hamish, you really do come across as smug, plus you had us all fooled into thinking they were all your own ideas you were pushing out there. Operation Golf (your initiative?) is in existence now, (maybe it is the natural evolution from my local intiative?) but if it had been policy a few years ago, coupled with a proper immigration policy and less interference from government and politics in general, plus some real leadership from ACPO, then things may have been a lot different in our communities today.
The Slough raids did get a lot of publicity, it would be good to see the end results properly publicised, it would be interesting to see what it actually achieves and whether it is a long term strategy with real and proper conclusions and not a short term/max publicity job.
My question still stands, (are you for real?), as do the points I made about common sense and discretion. Anyway as I also pointed out earlier and later emphasised by IG, there is a real solution now, announced earlier today by Jacqui. Hurrah. IG I don’t think you’ll get your £100K somehow, ‘more for less’ still stands!
I know some of the responses to Insp. G’s post have touched on immigration and the fact that foreign criminals have an easy time. Granted, but in 21st century Britain ALL criminals have an easy time. The young chap I arrested a few days ago who threatened to “spark” me out the next time he saw me on the street was totally home grown.
He made that threat safe in the knowledge that nothing what so ever would happen to him. That individual can steal, commit distraction burglaries and take drugs to his hearts content (which he does) knowing that unless he is insanely unlucky he can get away with it time and again with no (real) consequences. He cannot see beyond the next instant gratification-AND HAS NO NEED TO.
In contrast my experiences of dealing with members of what I heard SMT refer to as “ethnic organised crime groups”, is that they are much more mercenary and calculating. They have a fine sense of benefit/risk and at the present time the benefits of being in the UK outweigh the risks.
It may be a bit different from Ruralshire, but where I come when I’m dealing with members of “ethnic crime groups” I’m always surprised at how chilled out and polite they are. My own conclusion is that we simply don’t present enough of a threat for them to get pissed off.
The one reason why our force’s particular “ethnic organised crime group” have come here is because there is a ready and willing market for their “services”. As long as we have in this country a large enough proportion of the population who doesn’t give a f*** about what they put into their bodies or how they pay for it then market forces and international air travel will do the rest.
By all means toughen up the borders and immigration entry requirements as a short term solution. But if you’re thinking long term then you need to make this country a lot less attractive for the sort of people Insp. G is on about to come here in the first place i.e. remove the market that they find so profitable. And that means making the UK more lawful; which means sorting out the underclass, 90% of whom are white and British.
Rather than having a go at “Johnny Foreigner”, who is only part of the problem; if you want to do something useful with your rolled up copy of the “Daily Mail” find the nearest Chav and use your imagination.
Amen to that Bob. Build more prisons ASAP. Make them serve the sentences given, stop making anymore silly laws, there’s plenty of exisitng ones that’ll do the job, introduce work-fare for the idle underclass and chain-gangs for prisoners, get rid of human rights legislation, shut the borders, stop mass immigration from everywhere, deport illegal immigrants…then take a breather, consolidate and move forward. Easy!
ThoughtfulBob:
How very pc!
Ranter,
At no stage did I state that the possible options put forward by me were “my own ideas”. Where did you get that from?
And no, Op Golf is not my initiative. When I stated “my option” what I meant to say was “my preferred option”.I do believe that such an operation could assist IG with the problem he describes.
All I am trying to say is that we are at where we are at. No amount of sentimentality or wishful thinking on lost oportunities by Government and ACPO will change that. We have to use the tools available to us at the minute.
For the life of me, I cannot understand how your question (”Are you for real?”
stands. I have only offered an alternative solution to the problem outlined - and yet you accuse me of being patronising and smug.
I’m disappointed that the comments you make fall to such a low standard.
IG - I fear that the future of your blog is not helped by bloggers such as ranter who turn to personal remarks when someone offers an alternative view.I do however continue to wish you all the best for the future. I shall not contribute again.
Another shit appraisal!
If you look at the history of countries such as Kosovo, Serbia and Albania and their methods of either dealing with criminals or, as criminals, their methods of committing crime their is no doubt that the English Policing system is unable to cope with them. The majority of Eastern European citizens have been so brutalised over the years by either their local Police or occupying armies that the criminals have/will use the same level of brutality in support of their chosen lifestyle. Service level agreements, community partnerships, etc, will never work unless it can be shown that it will be better for these specific immigrants to work with the authorities than against them. For too long, under successive weak governments, there has been no real answer against crime and criminals. I recall Ray Mallon, who was a senior Police officer in Middlesbrough, being successful on a local level but this did not fit in with his l masters, including senior Police officers who were jealous of his popularity and angry that his policies were not the pink and fluffy types they had chosen for that particular month. As a result, he was set up and eventually resigned in disgust. Until/unless this country has more Ray Mallons and the desire to catch and incarcerate criminals we will continue to be seen as a soft touch throught, not onlu Europe, but the rest of the world. The Russian mafia will eat us alaive, if they aren’t already doing so.
The Turks and Caicos Islands are looking so attractive.
Plodnomore
Hamish, I know nothing of you, your job, your societal position, your smugness or otherwise. I do know your comments were valid, if lacking a practical perception of UK policing, and intended to be helpful. I hope if you leave it will be with a deeper understanding of our position. If this sounds condescending it is not meant to.
Thoughtful Bob - a fine post.
Once we’ve cleared up the chavs can we start on the second most odious group in society - Daily Mail readers?
Spttting feathers,
‘Once we’ve cleared up the chavs can we start on the second most odious group in society - Daily Mail readers?’
Are calling my housebound octogenarian mum odious?
But if you do want to ‘clean up’, you could whisk round with the hoover and change the back bedroom curtains for her, it would cheer her up no end and whilst you are there you can re-assure her she won’t be murdered in her bed tonight.
But it might just be easier to call in at the paper shop and change her paper order.
I think youre over tired Spittin Feathers -time for some beauty sleep so you are fresh for tomorrows DMM -ha ha!!
And dont forget 67.87% of stats are made up on the spot , so just baffle them with figures they will never know the difference, I do
People, people lets not start fighting each other until we have at least vanquished the enemy, or at least made a decent start.
Wherever you are, whatever you do, make a difference. Inch by painful inch, shoulders to the wheel. Speak your mind. If enough of us speak our minds at work often enough, we become the orthodoxy. It can’t be right that we sit like Achilles in the tent. We are good. We can be blindingly good. Lets go into work in the morning and pull the pin.
Its not too late. It can’t be too late.
And yes I am a sad Stakhanovite.
I believe in the right of genuine (note GENUINE) immigrants to come to our shores.
When I say GENUINE I mean those who have earned it, ie Gurkha’s or those who are persecuted overseas for real crimes (so not being extremist muslims).
WHY does our lovely left wing liberla government continue to let them in and why do the jobs politicalised and point scoring ACPO ranks not do anything about them (oh sorry answered my own question there).
How bout some SMO with back bone. Flood the estate with PCU (or whatever you call level 2 priority crime teams in ruralshire), put surveillance on the estate, traffic units sitting outside it and REAL uniformed pescence (so NOT that wonderful new labour practical joke, PCSO’s and no luminous yellow PC’s).
Oh and get a few JP’s to back it up and a new home secretary with decent ideas on sentencing.
Last man out of Britain turn the lights out…..
Have a look at this from the Khaleej Times and dream….
Two jailed in drugs case
By Mary Nammour (Our staff reporter)
12 February 2008
DUBAI — The Dubai Criminal Court of First Instance has sentenced two foreigners to FOUR YEARS in prison each after finding them guilty of possessing narcotic substances.
They will be DEPORTED after completion of their terms.
In the first case, American national, identified as B.W.J., had aroused the suspicion of the Customs officers at the Dubai International Airport on his arrival from Addis Ababa on October 30, 2007. A search of his pockets revealed marijuana and cannabis plant seeds weighing 0.45 gramme.
The American claimed that the seized substance was for his personal use.
In the second case, a 30-year-old British national of Pakistani origin, identified as Z.I.A. was caught with 0.35 gramme of marijuana on his arrival at the Dubai International Airport on November 22, 2007. He, too, had claimed that the narcotic substance was for his personal use.
Spitting Feathers:
Once we’ve cleared up the chavs can we start on the second most odious group in society - Daily Mail readers?
You would have made a great magistrate with comments like that!
Christ. That sounds appalling. That family are best of out of it, leave the bastards to it and eventually they’ll kill each other off. I never thought I’d leave the UK, it’s my home but things here are getting ridiculous and now me, my husband and a lot of my friends are thinking of going someplace else. Soon there’ll only be chavs and Kosovan drug barons left because everyone else will have moved out. Much like Empire Street on a bigger scale.
82yr old widow is burgled. Reporting ‘rules’ in my force say that this can be dealt with over the telephone (no, really). If she’s lucky, she might get a SOCO officer calling round tomorrow.
Meanwhile, an IC3 couple are having a domestic. He (an IC3 male remember) calls her a “black bitch”. She calls the police. The call handler puts the job on as a ‘hate crime’. It’s graded as ‘Immediate’. Duty Insp has to be informed and officers must get there within 12 minutes.
I feel like I’m working in a parallel universe, where common sense has disappeared and our sense of right and wrong has been turned completely upside down.
29 pay packets left to go. I’m counting the days.
Ranter, can you behave for one minute?
Was he arrested, the man in the designer jewellery?
Another sink estate, only this time those at the bottom aren’t Black.
So the question was asked in response to the lack of personnel. ” This is a strange comment. Clearly Ruraltown could provide a PSU of what, 1-3-18 officers, to provide a rather belated response”
Getting a PSU together decimates response shifts and leaves precisely nobody to actually respond to jobs.
(Although I’m sure if we asked nicely, the Local Policing teams might come out of their ‘meetings’ to record a crime prior to passing it back to response officers…….. ‘not my remit you understand’
Go on Ranter, bloody love it when someone talks sense!
Extrafficbiker. In the modern police FARCE common sense has been outlawed as has making a decision.
Twining? What? I always behave! Naughty Twining trying to upset ranter!
I merely entered into a short lived debate with ‘Hamish’ who seemed to get annoyed that I did so.
I thought he was a tad disingenuous with regards to his suggested ‘option’ and a more than a tad unreal with his presentation of things as they are.
I think this was verified by ‘Spitting Feathers’ who said that his comments “…..were valid, if lacking a practical perception of UK policing, and intended to be helpful….’
As for ‘Spitting Feathers’ Daily Mail readership phobia, (is that a crime yet?) I don’t quite understand the vitriol poured forth on such people.
The Daily Mail does I suppose encourage a ‘the sky is falling’ mentality, a bit too doom and gloom at times, but at least it does highlight some concerns shared by many posters here and elsewhere and it has over the years consistently fought for a reduction in the bureacracy and out of control PC dominated social engineering experiments involved in 21st Century British policing.
Thank goodness it does do as many things would otherwise be pushed to the margins of this very unreal society, brilliantly encapsulated in the posting from ‘ExTraffic Biker’.
Re the ‘lowly rank’ jibe at IG, it is amazing that in the scheme of things as an insp you aren’t considered particularly senior until they want to blame you for something or you make the national press (and not in a good way).
An observation about the “our rules vs their rules” comments on the foreign criminals…
I’m a British born-citizen, white and unashamedly middleclass. I should also add i’m not religious in any way, shape or form so as to be clear that my opinion is neutral and unbiased by personal beliefs when i state the below facts.
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My family were involved in overseas work when i was little so i ended up living in Saudi Arabia for about 5 years in my young teens.
I don’t recall any there being any “We will respect your culture and allow you to behave how you feel is appropriate based on where you were brought up” over there from them as a nation. It was more along the lines of “You’re in OUR country now and you WILL respect our rules, our beliefs to the letter of the law or suffer the consequences”. And you know what? People did and still do.
If you don’t believe that his is the right way to do things, then tell me exactly how many international criminals are setting up shop in countries with hardcore muslim judicial systems…!
(Lets not get started on the Terrorist aspect of things as thats a separate topic entirely)
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Anyone see a distinct contrast between this and our country’s ethos?
An observation about the “our rules vs their rules” comments on the foreign criminals…
I’m a British born-citizen, white and unashamedly middleclass. I should also add i’m not religious in any way, shape or form so as to be clear that my opinion is neutral and unbiased by personal beliefs when i state the below facts.
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My family were involved in overseas work when i was little so i ended up living in Saudi Arabia for about 5 years in my young teens.
I don’t recall any there being any “We will respect your culture and allow you to behave how you feel is appropriate based on where you were brought up” over there from them as a nation. It was more along the lines of “You’re in OUR country now and you WILL respect our rules, our beliefs to the letter of the law or suffer the consequences”. And you know what? People did and still do.
If you don’t believe that his is the right way to do things, then tell me exactly how many international criminals are setting up shop in countries with hardcore muslim judicial systems…!
(Lets not get started on the Terrorist aspect of things as thats a separate topic entirely)
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Anyone see a distinct contrast between this and our country’s ethos?
And before anyone says it, no i’m not advocating Britain adopting capital / corporal punishment. The fear of punishment when you break the rules is what i’m talking about!
TheBianarySurfer:
‘If you don’t believe that his is the right way to do things, then tell me exactly how many international criminals are setting up shop in countries with hardcore muslim judicial systems…! ‘
The archdruid of wherever and whatever was right after all, Sharia law for Britain.
Similar things have happened elsewhere. This 2004 lecture from a retired Australian cop is well worth a read. We could be at the start of a long dark road.
Oops the link is
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/archive_details_list.php?article_id=581
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=517188&in_page_id=1770
What can you say?
Spitting Feathers:
‘Once we’ve cleared up the chavs can we start on the second most odious group in society - Daily Mail readers?’
Well why not indeed, I read the Daily Mail, go to work, pay my taxes, law abiding, struggle to pay the bills/mortgage, the usual. I’m sure some Guardian reading magistrate would love to make an example of me with my privliged life style.
Inspector Gadget Wrote:
Next - why Inspectors should get £100 k per year!
Or maybe not!
Why do we insist on importing scum like this when we’re perfectly good at breeding our own filth? This from someone who lived next door to a drug-dealing chav in an otherwise lovely little street for almost a year.
The police couldn’t do a thing to stop the noise, violence (beating up his girlfriend - I could hear her beg and scream), drug-trading, trespass or criminal damage. Believe me, they wanted to. I spoke to enough officers who came out, but the little **** was too smart to actually get *caught* doing anything.
Thing is, we’re just too damn soft. I have no qualm with the police themselves as I know how frustrated the guys I dealt with were. Someone needs to give the soft bastards upstairs a kick in the teeth and tell them the police need to be able to *act*, not just sit back in case they offend someone.
If you stop the police doing a job, then you’re only inviting vigilantes or acts of revenge and retribution. Or handing the next government to the Neanderthals in the BNP.
I’ve just read that link Ted,scary.Mind you subsistute Sydney for Belfast and Lebanese gangs for Loyalist/Republican it’s almost identical.Plus it’s been allowed to happen with governmaent backing.
Ah, some damage limitation needed.
Uphilldowndale, Cheerful Bastard, Ranter and Daily Mail Reader, please excuse what passes in my strange little world for humour. It alludes to the often chanted mantra in the Mail that the mire we are in is mostly the Police’s fault (perhaps some truth, it just hurts), and the paper urging its readership to live in concrete bunkers to hide from hoodies and inheritance tax. So the sentiment is towards the Mail itself, and was unfortunately worded. Please accept my apologies. Real ones.
Nightjack, thank you for refereeing.
Imalsoclueseau - I’d be less tired if you’d do some of my nights. Chris always helps out, why don’t you show us your mettle? Yeah I know you’ve been there done that. See you at the DMM my friend! (We’ve worked together for 15 years!)
I shall be more cautious in future.
To be fair to the Mail, Spitting Feathers, they generally cover two kinds of stories:
1) idiot bobbies caught shagging, flicking the Vs at cameras, selling info to criminals
2) idiot SMT hand-wringers and government-imposed bureaucracy and the effect they have on front line coppers.
most of us think that the people in case (1) get what they deserve from the papers and wholeheartedly agree with the mail in case (2)
don’t forget, they serialised copperfield’s book, they did their own thing about paperwork etc last week (with civitas)… they are onside, generally, though this doesn’t mean they don’t report bad stuff from time to time. that’s life.
http://tinyurl.com/ytdqou
The Daily Mail link has gone. I feel sorry for this chap who is by all accounts is a nice bloke, though obviously somewhat naive. It doesn’t help you if you tell the truth does it. I bet he’s already had some stick as the article first appeared in one of his l(former) ocal newspaper.
A sadder and a wiser man
He woke the morrow morn
Thank you Spitting feathers.
In Ruralshire, we are not bothered by the verbal abuse from the youths that populate our streets after dark because………. we can’t speak any Balkan languages so we can’t understand what they shout, so we are not insulted!
Brilliant!
Still Gov, hard to work out how an Ops Manager got driven out of his home.
I have Nightjack’s law. If bad things happen to Mr Nightjacks house the people responsible may find themselves being treated for arms broken both above and below the elbow.
There is always a solution to your problem of not understanding your locals and that would be to enrol on a language course so that, as in my force you can understand Somalian or Polish.
Alternatively you could recruit a Balkan Dog as we have Dutch dogs whose handlers give commands in Dutch. Your Balkan friends would soon get the message or a pair of sharp teeth in their ass!!
Anyway back to the real world with Gene Hunt………
Thank you Daily Mail reader, being of likewise construction, I was about to end it all and choke on my DM.
I was interested in the comments regarding Immigration. As far as Albanians/Kosovans go, they are as, pointed out not EU members, but the majority have been allowed to stay because of our spineless government was to weak to stand up to the lawyers. Many of these people now have British passports. However it is not just Albanians that are a problem. I recently dealt with a Slovak gypsy that was trying to bring in a non EU female for prostitution. This low life is known to UK immigration as a trafficker. He has been living on benefits for the past ten years having failed in his asylum claim. He now runs a brothel with his family. Now you would think that someone like this would be considered undesirable. However our management would not allow us to refuse this creature entry because he is “European”. I could go on and on with horror stories about “Europeans” that abuse our country, but then some smug half wit would accuse me of being a Daily Mail reader. The reality for all you Guardian readers out there is it is far worse than anyone in the Daily Mail realises and quite frankly I think Britain is broken beyond repair. My advice to anyone that can do it is to emigrate because it will get a lot worse in the future.
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Some dodgy eastern Euro scum says that if you come back he cuts your throat? I’m no lawyer but surely that is a threat to kill or maim? You go back with MP5s, CS whatever and take him down. Not so many years ago he would have been immediately kicked and staffed for such a threat.
Three weeks ago a Polish(?) guy bumped my car, only a slight mark on the bumper so no drama. I ask him why he parks by sound and not by sight. He suddenly speaks “No English.” I tell him in good old Anglo Saxon terms that next time I open the local nick door with his head. Somehow he now understands fully and goes - rapidly.