Wear Your Love Like Heaven
August 17, 2007 by inspectorgadget
I was talking to someone from the probation service today who said to me “if the public only knew about the very real threat to their children from some of the dangerous sex offenders who we are trying to monitor in the community, they would be up-in-arms!”.
Sarah Payne - after seven years are our children any safer?
She then disclosed to me some details about the criminal records and tendencies of these men, their residential proximity to vulnerable potential victims and the ways in which an over-stretched and under manned system is desperately trying to keep tabs on them.
For what it’s worth, and with whatever credibility I have, I can assure you that the worry caused by this state of affairs is very real in the police and it keeps many officers who are operating in this world, awake at night.
They know that when a stupid and untennable system designed to prop up and disguise the Court’s inability or unwillingness to sentence these people properly * the powers-that-be will respond by throwing some poor sod at the ’sharp end’ to the wolves.
It’s not good enough, and we should all write to our MP’s.
* Roy William Whiting abducted and sexually assaulted an eight-year-old girl on the Langley Green estate in Crawley in 1995. He was arrested a few weeks after the abduction. Three months later he admitted to the charges of abduction and indecent assault and was sentenced to four years in prison.
The maximum sentence could have been a life sentence, however his sentence was reduced because he had admitted the crime.
A psychiatrist who assessed Whiting after his conviction said that he was likely to re-offend once he was released.
Whiting was released from prison in November 1997, having serving 2 years and 5 months of his 4-year sentence, and was one of the first people in Britain to go on the sex offenders’ register.
In July 2000 he then went on to abduct and murder Sarah Payne in Sussex.
You couldn’t make this up, but then you don’t have to because it really happened.
It’s f…..g disgusting and down to the Courts.
As a bobby, I am so accountable if I get any decision wrong that costs someone a life or causes any sort of danger to them. Like every other cop, I do a great deal of arse covering work as well as making the decisions correct,
The court on the other hand, isn’t accountable to anyone. They are to blame for allowing these animals to live among us when they could sentence them properly and have them put away for a long time.
The buck stops with them, it just seems that they don’t care.
Disturbing
This is a subject I often think about posting because of the amount of emails I receive from the dangerous offender unit or whatever they are called this week.
There are so many seriously dangerous sex offenders living in our community, many of which are open about their sexual urges that they have no control over.
I was reading one of the many the other day about a male with several previous convictions of rape, stranger rape of a child under 16 years. This bloke had been released and was considered high risk and ever likely to offend.
I am amazed that these people are free to commit further offences with only a MAPPA in place as a measure of protection.
I used to work in a city with an extremely high ratio of rso’s per head of population, when a few local scrotes got wind of it they decided to riot which made national headlines for a few days. naturally because they were scrotes any good intention they had of trying to highlight the disturbing number of paedo’s in their midst was washed away when they decided to battle the police for a week instead, because of nothing other than shear disillusioned hatred.
it was not a fun week.
paedo’s are on the top of my most hated criminal list, i’ve nicked a few, all of whom recieved custodial sentences, all of whom were out in under 6 months. some of the stuff they had and were getting off on made me and a few other people on my shift physically sick just to look at and I have absolute admiration for the detectives and pc’s who work themselves to the bone to try and get these f*ckers put away.
there are a few crimes that I personally feel are worthy of the death penatly or at least physical castration and paedophilia is one of them. to destroy the life and innocence of a child should be met with nothing other than absolute force as they will not and are physically unable to stop themselves. the only way to protect our children is to remove the threat from the population, either by killing the offenders of indefinately incarcerating them.
the criminal justice system is farcical when it comes to addressing the needs of victims and communities anyway and unless the judge has experience of being on the wrong end (so to speak) of an rso, either with them or a family member as victim, then there is little hope of any real justice.
the jobs f*cked…… long live the job.
L-I-F-E
Heres is how i see it
Paedophiles sexual desires as so far out of step with the normal of society i believe that we can call a mental illness in as much as we classify other such mental illnesses.
Unlike some forms of Insanity it is not something that will pass but will continue to exist even without symptoms of such.
It is effectively an untreatable medical condition that directly places our most vulnerable people (children) at risk.
We should therefore, on conviction, sentance all paedophiles to permanent incarceration in secure mental health hospitals for the rest of their sordid, unfortunate blighted lives. We can study them there, try and find out why, maybe even figure out effective treatment regimes in time. However we should not ever be letting go free unless we can guarantee 100% they will not re offend which we cant as they are dangerously mentally ill.
Apparently it would cost £1000 per week per prisoner, as a tax payer i think its worth the money.
Lock em up and never let them out, paedophilia is not a crime you can punish effectively just as you cant punish so one for being bi-polar. Its an un-curable mental health issue that poses the worst of all possible threats to society. Its for their own good as well as ours and fair as much as anything can be in that it protects the majority from a dangerous minority.
Where i work there is a bail hostel where until recently dangerous predatory sex offenders were being lodged, until someone realised it was less than 100 metres from a primary school. And to me this is the problem, where ever we house these perverts they are never going to be far from potential victims. I don’t know what the answer to this problem is, but i have no faith whatsoever in the MAPPA process!!!
So very worrying!!
Yet, the Government and Senior Ranks would rather us get the KPI’s than actually protect the public, as Tickets gain revenue and is more tangible for the bean-counters sitting in their ivory tower!
Sorry, I’ll get off my soap box now.
EHU
Mr Gadget an excellent post as always - how do you do it? I have to say though that it is simplistic to simply say the courts are to blame. It is in fact the government (mainly). The courts are increasingly being emasculated by the raft of laws that are being introduced, amended etc. and interference from the sentiincing advisory council. They have now lost the “suspended sentence” option, which ensured enforcement of community punishment. In America, for instance, there is what is called “Jessica’s Law” which gives minimum sentence of 25 years to life for child sex related assaults. Most states have adopted it though a few still haven’t. If you think our judges are lenient what about the US Judge who sentenced an illegal immigrant who raped and sodomised a child of six to probation! We need to adopt such a law here or (as suggested) detain them in a mental health facility indefinately.
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I find it disturbing that you would place a paedophile in the same catagory as a mentally ill person. What about other sexual offenders? Would you have them locked up with vulnerable patients who may be unable to protect themselves as well?
These people do not have an altered state of mind. They don’t suffer from delusions or hallucinations, they know what reality is. They know that their desires are wrong. Those ones who have a conscience willingly offer themselves for castration (apparently this lessens or kills the desire), those who have no conscience run secret networks and re-offend.
Give them sympathy if you want to, lock them up and study them and treat them to your hearts content. But don’t group them together with sufferers of mental illness.
I’d just like to clarify that it’s possible for a paedophile to suffer from mental illness as well, but paedophilia in itself should not be regarded as a mental illness.
Inspector Gadget
Slightly off your post. How can a man or woman acting as their solicitor defend the scum in court?
Does the solicitor know if they have previous convictions before the trial for the same type of offence?
We should re populate St Kilda again. With all of these scumbags. Shame on the local gannet population I suppose.
Have them put miles away from normal MOPs. Then have a RN destroyer patrolling the surrounding waters - anyone attempting to get off the island on a raft/homemade boat gets used as target practice.
We cannot watch these people 24hrs a day when they are out in public, why do we allow this to continue ??
mark b,
I was equally mystified as to how the wife of a man, who has admitted and been charged with down loading indecent images of children, could choose to stand by him, when I read her experience in this article
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2141931,00.html
The telling phrase is for me is when the wife says ‘After 38 years of happy marriage I was storming of to bed and, I realise now, that I was driving him for solace on the internet’
It is not just children that paedophiles ‘groom’ is it?
Once a paedophille, always a paedophille. Isn’t that how it goes? The answer to that is yes. Such people are born with a head full of bad wiring. No amount of “talking therapies” will ever cure them. As the paedophille grows up, in his or brain he or she sets the attraction age young. Depite the paedophille growing up into adult age where they should set their sexual sights on adults, in their thinking they still find young children attractive and they gone on to commit….well you know the rest. As I said, born with a head full of bad wiring. There is no cure apart to protect society and particularly children from them. And that means quite simply locking them up without limit of time…..
Mr Man’s Wife - I fully support your views on this, I think people perhaps use ‘mental health’ to describe what we can’t understand.
Hi Guv, It is just so dispicable for words, I read Sara’s story when it first came out and it was just so harrowing.
One family should ever have to go through what they did and protect all of society these scum bags need to be sorted accordingly. I don’t really believe in capital punishment but in the case of sex offenders especially the ones who will go out and re offend it should be mandatory….
Uphilldowndale
Iwas asking two genuine questions. I am the son of a pc who did the Job for thirty five years. I would have asked him but he is on holiday I wasn’t being sarcastic. When I write things I mean them
Why are you trying to put me down are you a solicitor?
Inspector gadget
Can you delete my last post. I’m from a different generation I didn’t realise it was a young woman posting
Mark
Mr Mans Wife & Guv Gadget
I have to admit that i did use the term “Mental Illness” in its common understanding rather than in its actual definition. For those interested in its actual definition i point you to Google. I admit it is completely unfair to describe either peadophiles or the criminally insane as mentally ill as it is an inaccurate definition that casts aspersion’s on those who are actually afflicted by mental illness of which i know several either as regular 136’s or through the misfortune of childhood friends. For those that suggest that Mr Mans Wife was being too Politically Correct i would have to disagree and agree with her Her castigation of my post was correct and appropriate.
So i apologise to anyone who may have been offended and i will use what i understand to be the more correct language at the risk of diluting my point.
I should have used the term (Persistent & Severe) Behavioural / Personality Disorder such as Extreme (rather than moderate) Psychopathy or Sociopathy for which no known effective cure exists. I have investigated and seen prosecuted more than one person with a Persistent Extreme Behavioural Disorder which so far has been limited to Psychopathy (using the clinically defined term rather than the common usage). These people are not mentally ill as their conditions are not always linked to mental illness but can be a consequence of such but in the main, extreme & severe cases can not be treated which is why many of them are registered as PDO’s (Potential Dangerous Offenders for the MOPS here)
A personality disorder can be described as:
A deeply ingrained and maladjusted pattern of behaviour that persists for many years. It is usually well established in later adolescence or early adulthood. The abnormality of behaviour is serious enough to cause suffering either to the person involved or to other people.
I would argue that Paedophilia is a persistent and extreme Behavioural / Personality Disorder for which no known absolute cure exists, even castration! I would argue that due to the risk that these serious offenders who are clearly beyond their ability to control themselves, of which many are, should be incarcerated for life, until their death, at taxpayers expense, preferably in a purpose built secure hospital off the mainland where they can be studied, possibly treated if but certainly detained for the remainder of their lives. This would cost quite a bit but given that it would protect our most vulnerable members of society (children) and it would give us the opportunity to study these abnormal individuals so as to recognise the signs symptoms and causes it would be a price worth paying. I would also send all sex offenders to this secure research centre.
Simply, lock em up, throw away the key, find out what makes them tick but never, ever let them out! You cant cure them, you cant deter them and you cant allow them to live in society!
The other alternative is capital punishment but i don’t agree with the death penalty so its not an option i can support but this is closest meaningful thing to it given that they will be removed from society for ever.
Exactly what I said five posts up !!!!!! only I couldn’t be bothered to go into such depth as you obviously have. I would pretty much agree with your post. I suppose the touchy feely brigade would argue about environmental factors, i.e. their upbringing, family dynamics etc. I suppose that does have it’s part but as I said simply they are born with a head full of bad wiring and nothing, I repeat nothing can be done about it to “cure” them. I suppose it’s a simplistic arguement but very often they are the best. Perhaps some years down the line we might better understand them but in the meantime, key, lock up, throw away is the only way for now….
It’ OK Mark B, I intended my comment to be in line with yours, not in conflict.
I am the female of the species (interestingly Inspector G’s blog is the only place I have ever been called ‘Sir’ or assumed male!)
No my point was that I found it difficult to see how you could manage to support your husband /partner when they had admitted such a crime and the fact that the wife thought it was ‘her fault’ that he had done such a thing suggested to me that she had been manipulated or ‘groomed’
I was rather off post I suppose but I found both the article and Inspector G’s post equally disturbing and linked the two in my head!
Sorry uphilldowndale
I sounded patronising in that last message. I didn’t mean to be. If you are in the police take care like Dad did. If your not take care
Mark
Two years on HROT. They are mostly male, they are definately a problem. I couldnt give a monkeys what the rest of the world classify them as as I know its going to change a few more times before I retire. Effective monitoring is largely limited to the worst of the worst or those where there is A-1-1 intelligence that they are in contact with children.
Its lip service. Thats what we pay for.
This is all right and righteous. And has lead to paedo fear where any normal male dare not touch any child lest he be so labelled.
What are you going to do about this vastly more prevalent problem?
I’m sick and tired of the goverment and the do gooders in this country giving paedophilles “victim” status by saying that it is a disease. Cancer is a disease, one that can be treated and cured. Aids is a disease, one that can’t be cured but can be treated. Paedophiles and just evil and it is not right to put them in the same category as those unfortunate to have a trerrible disease. Paedophiles can not be cured of their “desires” and they can not be treated. They know what they do is wrong and yet they try to justify it, thats what makes it worse and thats what makes them evil. They will always be a danger to children and there is no way in the world that they can be effectively monitored when they are released from there piss awful easy sentence that they get. They are out right vermin (well thats an insult to vermin to be honest). My opinion is that the only way to deal with these sick evil bastards is to string them up by the neck. No that is not harsh beacause what they do to children marks them for the rest of their lives. As this country is unlikely to ever adopt capital punishement againt then these people need to be locked up for life, in a cold dark room and not allowed to associate with anyone, perhaps this may then be a deterent for others to carry out their sick needs although I am affraid that we may never be rid of them.
Oh and for those do gooders who argue that giving them harsher punishements will only drive them underground, where the f**k do you think they already are. Paedophile rings are notoriously hard to uncover or infiltrate. They are already as far underground as they can be, personally I would like to see them all six feet undergound, having given them some of my own treatment methods.
Taff
I’ll second that and chip in for a bit of rope. I have only dealt with a few but each has made me sick to the core of my being. They have no place amongst us. They destroy the most trusting, vulnerable and precious of lives.
I’ll third that one. Nothing beats a good length of rope. In my neck of the woods I work with some of the victims of these buggers. Children who have been systematically abused for years. It’s hardly surprising when they grow up to adulthood they have various mental health “issues.” They try their best to blot out the past but from time to time the memories surface. They then turn to drink, drugs, self-harming behaviour i.e. cutting. Most of them believe they are worthless and have low self-esteem. I’ve seen what the abuse does to people. It’s wrong and it needs to STOP….
Don’t get me started on this……………….
We have a constant stream of names etc of these kind of dangerous individuals who get released early, get pitifully weak sentences, are treated differently whilst incarcerated and cause untold grief when they strike. Those who promote the brand try to talk tough but, as always, find some way of giving far too much importance to the rights of the type of twisted scum these people are.
Like most of the bad things that take place, the ones who make the policies or dictate the way things work are removed from the world where most of us live and deal with the consequences as a result.
Those who sexually abuse children, those who abduct and sexually abuse children, those who do all this and then murder children deserve one thing and one thing only.
The system we have in place protects the offender because until they are convicted they are deemed innocent. The system should offer a suitable and just punishment that is balanced and reflects the nature and circumstances of the crime committed.
To fail in this leads to self proclaimed vigilanty action to replace the loss of perceived justice. Just ask the parents of those who have sufferred and I would be surprised at anything less than the ultimate penalty.
They may have mental issues, but they know what is right and what is wrong.
Take Chris Langham for example, he is an educated bloke but made a choice to look at children being torchured, this is nothing to do with being mentally ill.
I would chop his bits off, END OF.
Ah yes, Chris Langham is a good example. And to think I used to quite like this bloke. I found him talented and quite funny. Mind you, I used to like Gary Glitter as well (sad I know, well I grew up in the 70s) until we all found out about him. Loved Langham’s excuse about research. Bollocks! People like him who pay to see such images merely fuel the whole thing.
Maybe we’re overlooking something here. Maybe punishment is so lenient because so many of these perverts work in high places.
If the Police are monitored so carefully then who are the Courts responsible to?? No one it seems. They are a law unto themselves and until they are made more accountable then sex offenders and the like will never get what they deserve!
Mr Mans Wife,
I completely agree with you. Has anyone ever wondered why judges are so sympathetic towards paedophiles and give such lenient sentences when, in some of the cases, they have the ability to give much longer sentences. Hmmm I wonder…..
And in today’s case, where a Jehovah Wittiness ‘minister’ was given a none custodial sentence having pleaded guilty to abusing children, that he gained access too, by abuse of his position and the trust placed in him by his congregation; and one of the reasons given by the judge was ‘that he was a man of faith.’
It takes your breath away.
a man of faith, since when does any religion give its blessing for its foillowers to sexually abuse children. This case was sickening and if you ask me that judge should have his personal life looked at and wouldn’t surprise if he was simialr to the minister that he gave such a piss poor sentence to
TAFF, regarding your comment ’since when does any religion give its blessing for it’s followers to sexually abuse children’. Well should we start with the Roman Catholics.
seems you better look closer to home now that more than 50 coppers were taken to task for viewing child porn after operation ore exposed them