Sunday Night in the Home Counties and there is no future in England’s dreaming.
PC Jon Henry stabbed to death in Luton, Bedfordshire. I predict an offender with a long criminal history who has never been sentenced properly.
One un-named member of the public shot dead by armed police in Sevenoaks, Kent. I predict a person with a history of mental health problems who has been left to fend for herself.
This is a timely reminder for all of us on the front-line about how dangerous law enforcement can be for all parties concerned. I dealt with no fewer than five firearms incidents over the weekend myself, so I feel particularly vulnerable just reading about it.
My own sympathy and prayers go out to all parties concerned. (except the offender in Luton if he is a criminal and not another ill person)
It is only a month since we mourned PC Richard Gray who was shot in West Mercia.
As Davy Crockett once wrote: Sometimes you get the bear, and sometimes the bear gets you.
…. and at the end of a week when 2 officers were stabbed, mercifully not fatally, in Stoke Newington, and God knows how many more injured throughout the UK.
Let’s be careful out there.
Sorry to be a bit naive here, but when you say “five firearms incidents over the weekend”, do you mean five people actually pointing real guns at (or even shooting) each other?
No, I mean incidents where members of the public call police claiming that this has happened. It takes us ages and many resources to sort these out for what they usually are – rubbish. But as shown this weekend, you never can tell, so everything gets the full treatment.
Does that mean you have to get armed officers out to each of these calls even if you suspect/know that they are going to be rubbish.
very sad indeed… my deepest sympathy for the family, and his friends/colleagues.
i just read that 36 officers have been killed in the line of duty over the last 20 years – it would interesting to know how that breaks down, and how much more dangerous the streets are, say in the last 10 years??
And every time you sharpen your claws, you have to beware the criticism from the deskbound, who face nothing more dangerous than a swivel chair.
Here, I predict a disgusting waste of oxygen.
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This man is utter utter scum.
He used an axe to manslaughter(!!?) to death his landlady and now treats the deaths reported today as some sort of “joke”.
On reading the news today, I felt saddened at the loss of another uniformed copper.
It goes to show that nothing we go to can be called routine.
A sad loss, an officer doing his best to save lives. Made even sadder because a little girl will have her first birthday in a few weeks, and her Dad won’t be there. He won’t see any of her birthdays.
its about time the federation really got behind us. This is the start and soon will be the accepted (just like Iraq and Afganastan) we constantly go to war and the most of the time with1 arm tied behind our back. On top of this we have no support or assistance and the top brass only care about having 3 detections a month. the other week my colleauge was the only bobby in a medium sized town as I was dealing with a menace to society in custody. My colleague attended a call to 30 persons fighting in crew with a PCSO. He ended up on the floor with a lad trying to gouge his eye out. The next day the CI said in briefing that it was probably nothing, just 3 kids fighting at a bus stop. My collegue spent 10 minutes with a gronw, drug addled, adult male on top of him with another 29 stood around him the only support was a female PCSO shouting loudly at the other. It took us 10 minutes to get to him. The brass are son far removed from the front line that its painful and the government are ttrying to privatise the service. Has anyone seen Robocop, cos its starting to earily ring true.
I agree, the bosses are way out of touch. Last time some of them were on the street, it was Dixon of Dock Green type stuff where they investigated one crime a month which was someones pint of milk being stolen from a doorstep.
Bet they never had good roll about on the streets with scrotes that we have now.
The worrying thing is, that in our force (one of the largest in terms of population) there are only THREE Armed Response Vehicles on duty at any given time. When the wheel comes off they’re nomally 15-20 minutes away and by the time they arrive whatever has been occurring is over. To me it is only a matter of time until someone bleeds to death awaiting the arrival of the emergency services because unarmed officers and ambulance crew were sent to a RVP where they must wait until a firearms team have declared the area safe. This wasn’t much use to me when an offender pointed a (real) firearm at me.
The public are kept somewhat in the dark about serious injuries to Police. How often do none fatal injuries make the headlines?
And just to add a bit of local colour, it’s less than six months since three of my fellow undergraduates at the University of Luton were shot, probably by another student, and a bit more than a year since a row in a hall of residence near me ended with someone getting stabbed. And those are just the ones anyone gossiped about.
I walk by the place where PC Henry was stabbed every day, often at the hour of the morning when the attack happens. He might even have been the officer I shared a joke with whilst the riot squad and the mounted officers moved in to guard the railway station and nearby pubs when the away supporters arrived to watch Luton FC play their team.
I wanted to become a Special Constable once. I’m going for full-time instead now, but not in this country.
Surely this is the wrong way round?
“IPCC commissioner Nicola Williams said: “I send my sympathies to the woman’s family and friends and also the police officers concerned. ”
The mind boogles.
I predict more needless injuries and deaths until the government get behind the police service with more than just words. Its high time that legislation, sentencing, funding and the mountain of bureaucracy were overhauled to give officers the ability to deliver the service they so badly want to give, and see the fruits of their labours with proper sentencing for offenders. Sentencing that means if you assault an officer, you go away for a year. minimum. If you seriously assault an officer, its 5, minimum. The word would soon get out, when the underclass started to lose more and more of their number to the chokey that its not going to be tolerated. While they’re at it, they might even like to draw a link between the violence that occurs in domestic violence which escalates over time to be more severe, and that which happens out on the street, perpetrated by this scum becomes more and more severe, just a different victim each time. Hmmm, I wonder if there’s an argument there for early meaningful custodial interventions (to give the political spin).
Perhaps when the government support officers with a viewpoint which says to Johnny Criminal, oh dear, you got hurt when Mr Policeman had to spray you / hit you with his baton once to often, because if you could have you’d have caved his skull in with his own baton without any concern for his human rights. Sorry Johnny, that’s you’re own fault, you started that chain of events. (similar to some aspects of legislation in the states) then the message might appear joined up. No, no, – no compensation for you Johnny, you’ve taken enough from others and frankly its your own fault.
Clearly officer behaviour has to be acceptable. But you get my meaning. Perhaps we should pass the common sense act 2007, to be applied to all issues where the current ‘benefit of hindsight’ and ‘Surely officer you dont expect us to believe it took seven of you to restrain this poor young female’ cr*p currently exists.
Officers getting convicted of common assault for a kick based on what a court agrees was a legitimately held belief of a threat would all be excellent test case.
What do you say to the wife of Pc Henry Mr Reid, or his little girl? Daddy could have been here if perhaps he was armed? Or had a taser? Or we’d put his killer away earlier, instead of community punishment?
Or is it just easier to talk about how dangerous it is out there and what a great job the officers do until one of them makes a mistake, (not so supportive then) or the next death occurs so you can trot out the same old lines??
I cannot think what his family must be going through. God bless them.
First off thoughts and prayers are with Jon’s kith and kin.
Gonorr,
I think you got the quote mixed up. See this. For a change it was heartening to see the wifey from the IPCC recognise the trauma the Polis go through in these incidents, and yes, however much the victim may not mean to you and I, she was something precious to others, so in this case she should come first, but only just.
Not sure I can be so forgiving in the case of Jon’s murderer though.
Noddy
Another sensless loss and sympathies to Pc Henry’s family. Now isn’t the time to make political points, but i’m going to do it anyway. I’m so glad the IPCC is on the ball today with the fatal shooting of a female in Sevenoaks, Kent, sending out their top investigators. In relation to a fatal stabbing of a police officer in Luton:- Nothing.
Who polices the IPCC. The IPCC polices the IPCC. Who will do our job when they’ve sacked us all, supended us all or put us all on restricted duty. Maybee the PSD comandos will have to come out of their offices and slip on a uniform again.
Noddy link doesn’t work
As a member of the public I can’t read these comments without being hit by the sense of futility that you all seem to feel; it comes off the page in a wave…
There must be other ‘good stuff’ that motivates you to turn up for a shift (aside from paying the mortgage) I don’t know what it is, but thank goodness it exists.
(Boss Man, as a MOP I am lost in the acronyms, is there a glossary please?)
This 2nd attempt should and let’s hope the sentiments are backed by supportive investigation and conclusion.
uphilldowndale, the only thing that keeps me gong into work is my personal pride and my attempts to serve the community, although through our woefully inadequate management that is becoming more difficult by the day.
Totally agree with what Rusty said. Upon my many skieving breaks on the internet today the amount of pages I came across regarding the woman, against how many articles I read about the PC Jon Henry was amazing. My heart goes out to his family. X
More terrible news, I don’t think this is the time however to comment on the politics of the situation.
Wherever you all work, whatever you’re doing try to stay safe and be careful.
Rest in Peace Jon.
Jack.
My deepest sympathies to the family and friends of PC Henry,
Guv’ I’d put a months wages that your predictions would be spot on.
This kind of tragic news seems to be coming around too often.
Davy Crockett is a pragmatic individual but I would prefer his rules of engagement dealing with the ‘bear in the forest’ than ours now.
We always hear on how this could happen to any Police officer at any given time at any given job. It’s not until you spend a few days listening to the Airwave Terminal that it becomes so real, it really is a daily occurrence for each officer across the nation to potentially face this kind of situation. It’s always in the back of your mind when there is a back up shout or lack of reply from an officer at such a job.
Words fail me to describe what PC Henry’s family and colleagues are going through at the moment, I just wish them all the very best through this tough time.
Firstly I wish to offer my sympathy to the family of PC Henry. We’ve lost another one.
What also makes me mad in all of this, is the press conference. The link to the press conference is on this page:
http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/lut-news?articleid=2944390
First you’ve got that bearded nobody, bumbling his way through the ‘plan’ for the conference. Who is he? What purpose does he serve?
Secondly you’ve got that CC who has probably never met PC Henry and if she had I bet she knew nothing about him, apart from the fact he was one of her officers.
She read out that monotone piece and obviously knew nothing of the officer, apart from what had been written down for her (probably by that bearded bloke, who I guess is the ‘press relations officer’).
If there’s ever a press conference about such a tragic event, of which I am the victim, I want my Inspector or at least someone who knows me as a person, to give the press conference. I do not want any press officer in the room.
How I could ensure that was the case, I don’t know.
I am fully aware that this may not be the time or place to ‘pick on’ certain people at that conference, but watching it and knowing how the system works, just made me full of rage, so I had to post.
How long until the next one? how many more until something gets done about it?
My head is in my hands again!!!!
It won’t change until politicians, lawyers and ACCOUNTANTS loose power………and someone with half a brain and common sense takes over.
There but for the grace of God go I.
RIP PC Henry.
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“uphilldowndale”
you sir…. that’s why we do it, we don’t ask for thanks but it goes a long way..
thank you….
just been for a scan with the wife today, got the photo in my warrant card. thought for a short time about knocking it on the head (the job that is) but boll*cks these clowns cant win.
eveyone be safe and take care.
to the family of PC Henry i give my sympathies and respect
Once again another sad & needless death. The press conference mentions he was wearing body armour as if the organisation is saying “we are covered”. In my opinion the failings are not with the kit or the availability of such protection as ‘taser’, but with the governments stance. The first line of defence for a Police officer shouldn’t be the armed officer, but the government itself. The government should have in place a hard line policy to protect all from death at the hands of criminals & by that I mean deter. Life should mean life & it should be so commonly known that even the dumbest of villains considers it before committing an act.
A hard line approach against the murderers of PC Beshenivsky, who at the time of her murder were on bail for firearms offences, would have prevented her death. This highlights my point about the government being the first line of defence, they the murderers should have been in prison on remand. If possession of a firearm isn’t a small clue as to the potential for an individual becoming a murderer I don’t know what is.
& I fear the Inspector is right in relation to this current incident. will the murderer have committed enough crime in the past whereby the available prison sentences would have took him past this point, thus preventing yesterdays tragedy.
Excellent (but sad) post as usual Gadget.
Remand… now that’s a word I haven’t heard in a long time Peeler. Just the other day, while reading the news, I was thinking “Didn’t criminals used to be detained while they were waiting for sentencing?… now what was it called?…” It’s been that long since I’ve heard the word! Excellent point.
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My deepest sympathy to the family Jon Henry leaves behind.
We recently experienced a new form of breifing called “Chicargo style.” This is where our illustrious leaders stand in a crowded area , say a shopping centre and spout such genius remarks as ” If you dont carry a knife you cant stab someone with it.” Now this is the stuff of legend isnt it ? only to be followed by “Or it cant be used on you.” This I think highlights the state we are in at the mo. Is the Senior Management Team that out of touch with whats acually happening on the streets of London and the rest of the country today ?
To the men and women who choose to do this difficult challenging and thankless job…… We know we do our best we thank eachother and we know by the grace of God go I when we get in our cars step on the train or bus at the end of a shift and make it home safe to our loved ones .
Take care .
Twenty minutes in, he took the call.
Dedication, bravery and selflessness, may he rest in peace.
how many people die at the hands of the police each year and are never sent to prison.
Mark ?????????
Mark, if you’re not too lazy to actually look, and genuinely want an answer rather than just pose questions like that to be offensive, then may I direct you to http://www.ipcc.gov.uk .
To save you the time, or answer the question anyway, according to the IPCC, in 2005-2006, the police shot 5 people dead last year, 3 white, one black and one ‘other’.
28 people died in police custody. 23 were white, 2 were mixed white/black, 2 asian and one black. 6 of those were female, and 5 of the 6 were white.
Post mortems have been completed for 19 of the 28, and break down as follows:
4 died from long term drug or alcohol abuse.
3 died of alcohol or drug poisoning.
1 hung himself.
1 swallowed a package of drugs and choked to death on it.
5 died from cardiac arrest
2 from natural causes.
2 died from injuries sustained prior to their contact with police.
1 sustained head injuries during arrest.
37 died following other contact with police :
7 died while running from the police, either drowning or falling from height
2 died from swallowing illegal drugs.
2 committed suicide in a siege situation, and one hostage was murdered by the suspect.
3 died while being restrained by police, one being searched, one having a weapon taken off him, and one who died while officers tried to prevent him from committing self harm.
9 were murdered, 6 by domestic partners after police and three after otherwise speaking to the police and someone taking exception to this.
4 were missing people who subsequently died during or after police investigation nto their whereabouts and four further suicides.
Every single one of these deaths was exhaustively investigated by an independant organisation, and lessons were learnt in each one.
Only the five shootings and four of these other deaths could you actually describe as deaths ‘at the hand’ of the police
Your point is what exactly?
Blue Pimp, thank you for your reply, Joy Gardner had 13 ft of sticky tape wrapped around her nose and mouth guess what she died ,strange that?????
Harry Sanley shot in the back of his head wile walking home crime nothing sentence death, please dont bother with the pointed a chair leg crap two juries think the police are lying so do I.
Christopher Alder chocked on his own blood your mates stood by taking the pi** out of him and making monkey noises at a dieing man nice touch that {cowardly bastards}
all caught on CCTV.
May I also bring your attention to the comments made by your mates after the body was taken away the death in custardy jokes.
Very sick very sad just shows the contempt you have for people in your care.
As for the deaths being fully investigated like you lot did for Steven Lawrance????
two police investigations uncovered nothing but why would they, how could they
when you have lying corrupt incompetent coppers investigating their bloody mates.
Point of interest most of the original coppers involved in the SL case took early retirement payed off {BASTARDS}
Thank god for the public inquiry that proved how bad your kind really are and we as members of the public are treated by thugs and bullies in a uniform.
Bar SL all the deaths above at a coroners court got unlawful killing verdicts.
Before they went before a jury in a court of law they were all slung out strange that very strange.
So murder away Mr Police Officer you wont end up in court ,but dont expect my sympathy when you and your kind get hurt.
The 3 that died being restrained????? restrained so hard they died or was it murder.
Sorry to go on, but you only have to raise you voice to a thug in a uniform and your in a lot of trouble, assaulting a PC resisting arrest anti terror charges and any other crap you can make up.
Citizen/ excuse me officer are u sure u can do that???
sargent thug/ shut your mouth or we will run u in.
Citizen/sorry sir i only asked 4 my ball back.
sargent thug/ thats it u asked 4 this, PCs sick,mad and bad get him USE FORCE GAS HIM.
Citizen/ SCREAM, I CARNT BREATH,I CARNT BREATH, YOUR KILLING ME, SCREAMmmmmmmmm
pc sick/ er sarge i think we killed him????
sargent thug/ its ok son all in a days work.
pc mad/ he was the strongest most violent and uncontrollable 9 year old iv ever seen.
Mark. Tool.
RIP pc henry
Mark,
I’d be offended but then I ask myself why somebody so clearly angry at the police would spend their time reading a blog by a uniformed inspector and the associated comments. I think if you conducted a straw poll of those involved in front line policing most would share your sentiments of disgust when confronted with evidence of officers who have willfully neglected their duty of care but to insult and abuse the sentiments of those simply empathising with the greiving familly of a young public servant is disgraceful.
Take your time to re-read the comments above before unleashing a tirade of ill-advised nonsense. Your comments are devisive and inaccurate, insinuating that all police officers are the same is like me suggesting that you’re the same as every drug addict/wife beater/thief/burglar/robber/murderer/gun weilding maniac that your average relief PC has to deal with every day.
In future perhaps you’d be better logging onto http://www.unreasonableangryman.com barring that perhaps ask to spend a day with your friendly local police force and see if you feel the same afterwards.
blahmerchant thank you for your reply,
I think you will find most of my ill advised nonsense is quite true,
CCTV filmed the way officers treated Mr Alder and your happy with that????
Joy Gardner did have 13 ft of tape around her face.
Harry Stanley was shot in the back of the head.
yes i am very angry as you and your kind could do things like that to me and mine and just get away with it.
Blah look into how the people died, look how the police treated the famileys after.
Mark,
Keith Blakelock was killed by an angry mob weilding machetes….does this mean that eveybody on the Broadwater Farm Estate is a murderer?
Irrespective of your views on police officers a young, married man with a baby daughter was stabbed to death. If you can’t identify with that or show some sympathy for a family mourning that loss I suggest you’re lacking the basic principles of a human.
Who are ‘me and mine’? Who is it you feel you represent?
Mark, it is known that SOME police officers haven’t acted in the way they should have done but to say that ALL the police are the same is very wide of the mark as to be laughable. That’s like saying every black person is gun toting murderer just vecause one black person shoots somebody, that every middle aged man is a peadophile just because a few are. Your comments are uneducated, ill researched & badly spelt, it appears you have some kind of personal problem with the police & hold some kind of grudge against them. At the end of the day I could point out many more facts but I won’t because this is not the place. PC Jonathan Henry was a father, husband, friend, son, colleague, brother & he lost his life doing his day to day duty protecting others. My thoughts are with his family, friends & colleagues & my heart goes out to his wife & to his baby daughter who will now have to grow up without her daddy, that top photo very nearly brought tears, such a sad senseless loss. PC Jonathan Henry, may you rest in peace.
To all policemen/women, look after yourselves out there & the majority of the public appreciate what you do & respect you so thank you.
Dont know why you bother to answer this “mark” person he is either just trying to wind you up or is so wrong in the head he really needs medical attention, probably having “care in the community” and forgotten to take the tablets
I wonder if Mark is brave enough to stop spouting such remarks and join his local police service , I would doubt he would have the respect, bravery and ability to climb from behind his computer and take on the challenge . Still hes safe , because we do that so he doesnt have to, so he can be safe walking down the street , safe tucked up in bed , and, God forbid if his car or home were damaged or if he , or any number of his loved ones were attacked beaten up or robbed , we would attend we would treat him with respect and nothing but proffessionalism. I suspect though he may rather say dont worry killer I will deal with it myself.
I just wanted to say I second what GirlNextDoor said. I am not a police officer yet, but intend to join up. Stay safe out there boys and girls. I respect police officers and appreciate what you do out there.
I shake my head.
Mark, come and do a better job in the circumstances we find ourselves in.
No one for one minute supports or in any way condones officers who abuse their postition and commit willfull acts of violence or negligence against anyone.
But I suspect you are not a police officer and therefore speak from a limited perspective. Let me tell you that no officer who has a complaint levied against him / her rests easy. The forces are all too ready to put officers before the courts to demonstrate that they are doing their jobs properly and some of those cases are frankly lundicrous.
We face an environment where force in certain circumstances has to be used. There are clear rules governing that use of force, proportionality and justification to name but a few.
I as I’m sure other officers on here would agree am held accountable in criminal law for my use of it. However, the very people we face dont think about rules. They dont consider the head as a final target area that may result in death in a melee or violent confrontation, nor do they consider the justification for each blow they land on an officer and measure the effect of their actions before determining aftercare and the best way to safely transport the person they are not responsible for the welfare of.
To suggest therefore that there is some kind of ‘do as you like’ mentality or club where officers are free from any form of recourse is sadly misguided at best.
My point, Mark, though I fear it may be a bit too subtle for you, is that all of those deaths have been investigated. You may also miss the subtleties of the fact that although a death has clearly been unlawful, if it is not possible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that a particular person bears responsibility for that death, then they don’t get convicted.
Unless of course, you’re suggesting that a lower standard of proof should apply to criminal cases against police officers. What next? Lower standards of proof against other government employees, or public bodies? Let’s take it to extremes, shall we, if my posties bike accidentally falls against my car and scratches it, should I be able to charge him with criminal damage where an ordinary member of the public would be charged with nothing?
You may like the idea of a lower standard of proof against the police, due to whatever gripe you have against us, but I bet you’d cry like a baby if that same standard was lowered when you were accused of something in court. That’s why the vast majority of police officers don’t actually have any objections in principle to suspects having solicitors. We might think the occasional brief is a crook, rude, immoral or occasionally just boring and smelly, but I daresay there’s some police officers who inspire the same feelings in briefs. We do, however, recognise that we might need a solicitors services someday.
And in answer to your specific points:
Joy Gardner did die of suffocation whilst being restrained by several police officers, and yes she did have some adhesive tape wrapped round her. Probably not the brightest thing to do in the circumstances, even though her struggling and biting was causing a danger to the officers detaining her, one of them thought that gagging her was preferable to caving her head in with a truncheon. This was the days before CS gas or Tazers, remember. If officers are not trained for every eventuality they might come across, then they will have to improvise. If you ever ventured out from the confines of your nice safe keyboard and tried this job, you would understand that.
True, in hindsight trying to tape her mouth shut was the wrong thing to do, I personally wouldn’t have done it, but training was changed afterwards to totally prohibit such a thing ever happening again. Likewise training about how to restrain someone has been changed many times over the years in the light of medical evidence to make it safer.
Christopher Alder, a disgrace I totally agree. To have a man who had served his country well treated like that was abhorrent, but as I stated above, if individual guilt cannot be oriven, then there is no case. If you will insist on labouring under the delusion that the IPCC of PCA investigations into such things are one long episode of mutual old-boys-network-back-slapping, then why not spend £30 or so on a freedom of information act request and find out what you can about the details of the investigation. A bit of a risk though, as you might just find that it was a thorough and lengthy investigation, and as a result, realise that you’re talking ill-informed rubbish.
Harry Stanley, if two juries have found the officer involved guilty of murder, as you seem to think, then how come they’re not in prison, as they would be if actually found guilty of murder? Another tragedy, but if they were guilty the first time round and then freed the second and you think it’s a fit-up, then by all means let’s have the Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4 back inside then on the same principle. Each case stands or falls on its own merits, to quote three examples badly and presume that applies to all police officers, is the very same act of stereotyping that you are accusing us of. Ironic really.
I have no problem with officers who provably break the law going to jail. I have known of officers in my force either lose their jobs or go to jail for things ranging from drink driving, indecent assault, possession of drugs, supplying controlled drugs, rape, assault both on and off duty, perverting the course of justice (a big force!). I want them out of my force as they make my job harder and do no good to anybody.
The overwhelming majority of us do what we do because it needs doing, and because other people can’t or won’t. We don’t pretend to be perfect or to make the right decision everytime, but then you’re probably glad of that, as if we did, you’d have nothing to get angry about and you’d realise quite how hollow your life is. And if you have to spout on about ‘me and mine’ in the way you do, you are being far more divisive than any police officer I know. Does this ‘me and mine’ have independant monitoring, a complaints procedure, constant supervision, powers laid down and reviewed by parliament? Open to third party supervision through solicitors, members of parliament, lay visitors? No? Thought not.
Dear all.
I’m afraid that with someone like ‘Mark’, it will not matter what we all say with regard to his/her anger, for he/she is someone of today’s society who has very little repect for anyone whatever they do. As mentioned in many comments above, PC Henry was at the end of the day a human being, like all of us, who just happened to wear a uniform for his job, as do I and many of you. I am very proud to wear the uniform, but it doesn’t change the fact I am just another human being as well, with family, friends etc. If ‘Mark’ cannot see the woods through the trees and understand what a tragic loss this is, then he/she is someone who we (serving Police Officers) will never get through to. I’m sure you have all had experience with people like this in your careers? I certainly have and I’ve learn’t to accept it, we can’t help everyone. It’s a shame ‘Mark’ cannot be constructive, for if he/she was, we wouldn’t see him/her as being rude and offensive, would we?
blah thank you for your reply,
the riots in the 80s??? are yes i rember now. sus law, operation swamp.
I think you will find this true you and your mates wont like it but its still true.
Chrry Groce shot by police wile in bed yes I did say bed, hes crime er er er.
Cynthia Jarrett {old lady} slung to the floor by your mates wile searching her home died.
As for your comments about the police thinking every person on broard water is a killer
may I remind you the police arrested Winston Silcott and 2 others and fitted them up with the murder.
A court proved your mates fitted them up.
And guess what no copper has been done for any of the crimes.
1 shooting, 1 old lady killed, 3 innocent men in prison. well done police.
before anyone makes any stupid replys to me please read the Scareman report.
ps\ BLAH sorry i forgot{ me and mine} family and friends thats all.
thank you for your reply {Thug} sorry girl next door,
Some police behave badly, {most}
if you or any of your mates reading this had been in the police station were Mr Alder died NOT 1 of you would have gone to his aid not 1 of you would have done anything different to the low life that watched him die.
so does that make you all the same or not?????
would you have let your mates put 13ft of tape around J Gardners face?????
Or how about M Powell {killed about 2 ys ago} hit by police car handcuffed CS gassed
and wile on the ground hit with battons kicked and punched,
but not taken straight to hospital?????? would yours been the only voice to say STOP that????? come off it thug girl pull the other 1 its got handcuffs on it.
Ill researched?? i think not all information i have given is right, i dont have to lie.
This you mite not like, the majority of people think your great sorry thug girl way off the mark.
My partner is an A+E nurse in a big inner city hospital, the last time we went out with her friends 7-8 nurses 1-2 docs 3 fire fighters {1 gay} the subject of the police came up and to tell you the truth i was shocked not one of them had a good word to say about you not one of them.
We have the finest nurses,docs,fire fighters and fighting men and women on the planet
but we are stuck with a police force as bad as you bloody lot.
Jerym, thank you for your reply.
Care in the community???? i think that was Roger Sylvester, O no it carnt be him as as your mates killed him in 1999.
PS/ thug girl, sorry about my spelling as it seems to bother you.
dontsayyournamepike {bit odd} thank you for your reply,
Safe in the streets, Safe in my bed what world do you live in and were is it??? thats no place i no.
80% of all crime gos un-detected {pc copperfield says} safe what crap.
many years ago i was attacked {well i started it} wile fighting his mate stabed me in the back not deep {8 stiches}. police came as i was walking home asked me if i wanted to go to hospital NO DONT WANT YOUR HELP and walked off copper shouted at my reteating and bleeding back WELL FUCKING BLEED THEN and drove off,
I have no problem with his actions and i dont think bad of him for it.
As for the brave bit, did i read 35 coppers dead in 20 years????
in my work we lose that number about every 2 years 2-3 of my friends have been killed and i helped clean the bits up and went to speak to my mates mom and dad.
Mark – Let’s consider your statistical analysis which indicates that because 13 people (including one gay one, though I can’t for the life of me see what the relevance is of pointing that out) haven’t got a good word to say about the police, everyone in the country feels the same.
If the same logic (and I use the term very loosely, as I haven’t seen any logic at all in any of your comments) is applied, then because all the police officers on here disagree with your views, then so does everybody else in the country,
So everyone is right, yet wrong at the same time.
If I have confused you in any way with the irony of this post, then please don’t hesitate to not bother getting in touch.
PTCOP thank you for your reply.
Iv only ever put one complaint in against the police {not up held} 2 British transport police lied about me and 4 civil fu%%ers, and to say you are worried about complaints is rubbish crap may i point out PC Copperfield and his mates think they are quite funnie and dont seem in the least bit worried about them.
The PCA is so bad its being dispanded and replaced by IPCC.
The amount of complaints not upheld against the police is so high that questions have been asked in parliament as to weather the police can be trusted to investigate the police and as the Steven Lawance inquiry proved NO THEY CARNT.
The system only works if you tell the truth and lets face it ,your out with your mates and one does or says something he/she should not, a complaint is made you all stick togeather and lie. you will NOT NOT tell the truth in support of a member of public over a bloody copper. iv seen it before 6 of your kind lied about me and i told the truth.
M Powell was hit by a police car kicked punched and hit with battons after CS gassed and handcuffed
wile on the floor by 5-7 coppers ,that was a cowardly attack by your mates and his AFTERCARE, taken straight to hospital???? ambulance called straight away.
No, think not died in a police station, anyone who has been the victim of such a violent attack as Mr Powell was should be taken to hospital, If that had happend to a bloody copper you would have tripped over yourself to get them to hospital. {Bastards}
Stan still,
very quick reply, if they were drug users, fools and dick heads i would not have bothered saying it,
but the fact they all serving members of the public good jobs hard working ect,
as for the gay firefighter its how she refers to herself not sure why never asked.
thank you for your time Mark.
Blue Pimp, thank you for you reply.
Some adheive tape??? 13 ft of tape i think.
1 officer took her son out of the room so he did not have to watch your mates murder his mom. So she carnt have been putting up that much of a fight and her hands were tied to a restraining belt about her waist.
the police say she was biting them but no marks on them strange that.
Cave her head in?????? question Why not just restrain her till she calms down she will in the end, she will have to.
Improvise: In my work we are told not to improvise as it can cost lives just like J Gardner.
Im not a copper {i have a propper job} but it does not take a huge brain to know blocking someones air ways will be fatal and I wonder why they brought the tape with them???
Mr Alder, Ill informed rubbish {thank you} the first investigation by the police was a joke, boys touching boys did you say???? yes i do think.
After channel 4 released a program on how he died their was a review of the case which exposed huge flaws in the first investigation {police investigating police again} and in the end lead to the coppers being retired on sick grounds.
Also the coppers involved in his death refused to cooperate with the IPCC.
I do wish you would at least have a clue what you are talking about.
Well done IPCC stop letting police investigate police they carnt be trusted.
H Stanley: 2 coroners courts first jury was only given the choice open verdict or lawful killing all the jury wanted to bring un-lawful killing, all the jury complained about the coroner Dr Chan.
2nd jury all members of jury brought an unlawful killing verdict.
intrest: as jury was lead out one member shouted it should be murder.
You say no one can be held to blame??? what about the nutters with the guns????
I do notice that in all you have said you seem to keep well away from the S Lawance affair I do wonder why.
How could you explain away police corruption {proved} PCA ridiculed or am i wrong their as well, im so sorry about my hollow life I could always join the police and be a killer, no chance just stay hollow.
Lay visitors???? dont police dogs have RSPCA lay visitors after one of your mates kicked his dog to death {u sick bastards} and yes they do ,you carnt even be trusted to take care of your dogs, let alone members of the public.
Or is that more ill informed rubbish as well.
So all your friends in the medical profession are obviously beyond reproach?
Beverley Allitt
Harold Shipman
Josef Mengele, for good measure.
I can remember off the top of my head also a member of the royal navy who was convicted of murdering a young recruit after raping him, a Royal Air Force officer who murdered his wife and tried to make it look like a car crash, numerous serving or ex-soldiers who have committed murder in their own time, to say nothing of the death of a detainee in Iraq. I am a firm supporter of our armed forces, who I had the honour to serve in for three years prior to this job. But I am not blind to the fact that there is the occasional bad apple in every basket.
Incidentally, can you explain how, if you have such high regard for the armed forces, how come the proportion of them who swap green for blue suddenly turn into murderers? Surely if they are so wonderful, then they would change the police mentality?
Or maybe you’re just a paranoid delusional muppet?
Anyone can go through these examples and suppose that all police are the same.
But if you’re going to call me a killer then either put up some hard evidence or admit that you’ve just got an axe to grind and are being a bit selective about what you choose. Maybe you’d like to enlighten us about what your job is, seeing as it’s clearly so relevant.
blue pimp thank you for your reply.
muppet???? im the frog so that makes you the pig.
josef mengele?? are you a bit of a fan, a lot in common, 2 nazi killers togeather.
right as my reply all the people above were tryed and convicted as killers and sent to prison. { Good called justice}
when the police kill fu%% all happens even when coroners courts bring back a verdict of un-lawful killing.
un-lawful killing is the same as a manslaughter charge in a criminal court but police hardley ever go through the trial even if one jury has found them guilty.
Getting away with murder.
My job being relevant???????
if you took the time to read my reply you would know it was in responce to one of you mates calling me a coward, i work on the railway track side.
Why were you kicked out of the armed forces???? raping a recruit????
im sure the soilders you have mentioned will make fine police officers just your type.When they get out of prison.
I carnt put up hard evidence against YOU i dont know who you are.
And untill we have a full public inquiry in to the people you and your mates murderd
i wont have the evidence, but i dont think their will ever be a public inquiry I wonder WHY what have you got to hide??? If your kind and the police FED were so innocent
you would be the first to push for a public inquiry into the deaths so at the end of it all you could say we have done nothing wrong but you wont WHY???
You still seem to be avoiding the SL questions O yes their was a public inquiry into that afair after 2 so called police {pca} inquirys.
Even YOU as blind as you seem to be will have to admit it was a police cover up.
But do you know what realy piss me off about you and the other fools on this site??
You claim to be such honest coppers but if you were involved in the SL inquiry you would have lied as well,
My last point how dare you slag off nurses Docs and firefighters they are fine people you and your mates could learn a lot from.
My partner is a nurse and she feels the same way towards your lot as me but she would still treat you with all the care she could if you had a knife stuck in your neck,
not sure im happy with that, but humans should be kind to animals even if they were a nazi uniform. thank you for your time mark.
for christ sake Mark, IT’S SPELT “CAN’T”…. nothing any of us say is going to change your obviously biased and significatly inaccurate point of view.
For your info I work with 2 accountants, 3 lifeguards, 5 service personnel, 2 nurses, 1 doctor, 2 teachers, a chartered surveyor, a carpenter, and 2 chefs… that was until all of them joined the Police. None of them would have got in if they had been dismissed or convicted of a crime serious enough for them to lose their jobs!!!! Are they all suddenly rapists and murderers because of their chosen career change?? no I thought not.
And yes, most complaints are laughed at because they are a load of bollocks and proved as such, usually after said complainee is found guilty in a court of law – where funnily enough the finding of a level of guilt is beyond a reasonable doubt. unlike at an inquest where it is the balance of probability, which is why there has never been a conviction after a Police shooting because there is insufficient proof to convict, despite numerous attempts.
The serious complaints do indeed put the shits up you because they will inevitably end up with you looking for another job, or a spell on the isolation ward with the paedoes….. Despite the massive advertising campaign by the IPCC to encourage complaints have I EVER had one upheld by them?? no.
None of us wake up in the morning and think “you know what, I think I might just find some innocent member of the public and kill him, because , you know, I just can”
No one here is trying to excuse the past, we have had to learn from mistakes made (ill advised and stupid yes but most are mistakes none the less) As for the SL enquiry, what about the off duty officer who tried to give first aid when he came accross stephen on his way home? was he a murderer?? no, but the corrupt officers who destroyed almost every ounce of confidence the public had left in the Police did much worse – they deprived the family the right to see his killers put on trial.
The review into the death and police ‘incvestigation’ lead to the biggest change in Police working practices since the introduction of PACE, which funnily enough came in as a direct result of the sus laws and the Brixton riots and it was found by Parliament that the Police HAD been working unjustly.
No one here is trying to defend those who have commited crimes, they have rightly been kicked out of the job and in many cases convicted in a court of law.
Your problem pal is you think we are all scum, I bet if you met any one of us in a pub you would have no problem having a decent conversation with us, until that is you found out we were Police officers at which point your own stereotyped prejudiced view would prevent you from opening your eyes and carrying on the conversation.
You have the luxury of not knowing the things that we know, seeing the things that we see and dealing with the level of death and pain that we do. Every day.
Yes there have been 35 police officers murdered on duty in 20 years… that is not to say that ONLY 35 have died on duty.
How many of your collegues have been murdered on duty??? NONE I would hazard a guess at. Police officers are killed just as regularly as anyone else in traffic accidents, suicide and industrial accidents, as much as anyone else in the ambulance service, fire service or armed forces or in a bloody paint factory. An industrial accident can kill someone regardless of where they work and if you think for one second that Police officers aren’t at the same level of risk of an accident than anyone else then you are very much mistaken.
In your level of work I doubt that you are in the position of being called to save peoples lives on a regular basis. I can tell you for a FACT that there are atleast 4 people walking this earth right now that wouldn’t be if I had not attended a job to help them. Yes this is significantly less than a doctor, firefight, paramedic or nurse, but I am damn sure the 4 people aren’t complaining about it.
Think what you like, you have the luxury to do that, but how about not pissing on the grave of someone who quite obviusly died trying to protect the life of a stranger, who could have easily have been you or yours.
Instead of standing on your soap box, why don’t you try and change things instead of posting a blog, have you tried to join the local Police authority, or even tried to go out with a shift for one night to see what the people are like and what the people we actually deal with are like??????
metcountymounty, thank you for your reply, {once again sorry about the spelling}
a short reply as im off to bed {proper job to do}
but i will get back to you.
what off duty copper??? I know of a black nurse who tryed to help SL as he lay dieing on the floor only to be told by the 2 coppers GET AWAY FROM HIM.
one last bit you seem to have a lot of complaints against you, the IPCC is only about 12 months old, I put a complaint in against the police and 6 coppers lyed about me,
but thats a load of bollocks as well you think??? Or are you just a lying thug like the 6 who lied about me. Thank you for your time Mark.
Mark, as I said nothing we can say will obviously change your mind, you’re pissed off and bitter about something and have no other way of addressing it than this blog. For your information, just go this from he IPCC’s website, which took me all of 3 seconds to get the information to prove your factual inaccuracies
“The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) became operational on 1 April 2004″
So that’ll be over 3 years then Mark, not 12 months???
Your poor spelling and grammar suggests to me 3 things, firstly that English might not be your first language, secondly that you might be from North America/Canada supported by your poor spelling and the fact that you used the word ‘mom’ twice and not mum, if you had been born and schooled anywhere in the UK then you would have spelt it like that.. Lastly that you may actually be from the UK and you were only educated to a low level, perhaps GCSE, if that.
If English isn’t your first language then have a look at the Police in your country of birth and compare them to us. Secondly the social structural system in the US and to some degree canada mean that the Police in those countries have a completely different ethos and law system in place. Lastly if you are just poorly educated and angry then try and do a bit of research and get all the facts in place before you start slagging us off as rapists murderers and criminals – we actually have to see and deal with them every day and have to put up with this kind of shit from them, only to see the court system let down people like ‘you and yours’ and let them out to roam free and commit crime against you with little or no recourse.
I have no intention of carrying on this line of conversation, you’re bitter for your own reasons and are obviously going to be raising any children you have to mistrust the Police and carry on the cycle of mistrust and hate.
Have a nice life fella and good luck in your obviously more dangerous and perilous job.
Where does this ‘MARK’ get off!!
METCOUNTYMOUNTY – nice reply!!
Secretly, I think ‘MARK’ wnated to be a Policemen but they spotted his bigoted attitude from the onset! (Yes ‘MARK’ I spelt that wrong so even you could understand it and yes, I know what a bigot is befroe you come back with some mispelt answer!, see, I did it again so even you could understand!)
Anyway, lets hope nothing bad comes of you and your ’so dangerous job……oooooooo!! and we have to tell your A&E partner how you ended your time in this so bad and sad world you have dictated to us all.
Like above, I don’t think there is any need to continue coming back to you personally with any reply, I’ll just stick to what I know best, according to your world that is.
EHU FL
Thug? Do you know me personally? Do you have ANY basis whatsoever to base that comment on? No. So please refrain from referring to me in that manner when you have no proof or knowledge of me personally.
Yes, SOME police officers do/have behave/d badly & are rightly dismissed from their positions, as it is & should be.
Are you asking me if I had been in any one of those situations, I wouldn’t have gone to those people’s aid? Again, what basis do you have in which to make that assumption?
Do you have proof that I WOULDN’T have helped those people? Do you have proof that ANY of these serving officers here wouldn’t have gone to help those people?
No, it does not make us all the same, I would have intervened as would the rest of these people that have posted here.
No, I would not have let 13ft of tape end up wrapped around J. Gardner’s face. And yes, I would have said STOP, IF those things are as you say they are, I stand up for what I believe in & what is right. I am not afraid to face up to controversy, resentment or stand up to people who are plainly & proven to be in the wrong. Due to not having the luxury of being there at those particular incidents mentioned then how do you come up with the conclusion that it is right to judge me on something which I had no control over or say in? The same as the rest of these people here.
Again, as for being thug girl, what basis do you have to refer to me in that manner? That is no better than me calling you any manner of names & having nothing in which to base them on. I know your very narrow minded to judge every single police officer on the few that have made mistakes, I know that because you have proved it in the way you have put yourself across, you come across as very biggoted. It is no better than me judging every doctor as being a willful murderer because Harold Shipman was, or every nurse as a child killer just because Beverley Allit was. Singular examples, that doesn’t mean it stands for the whole profession, I am mature & open minded enough to realise that.
I never said you were lying, simply that the material you bought up was ill researched. Yes, the majority of people are grateful to the police for the job they do, I was when I was involved in an accident & was alone in Central London, I was treated with nothing less than courtesy & care.
As for your partner’s friends not having a good word to say about the police, maybe they’ve never needed their help, maybe they’ve reported a crime but due to poor evidence/lack of resources/CPS refusing to go ahead with case/criminal’s rights coming before the victim’s/judge not passing sufficient sentencing or punishment there was never a satisfactory result, you can’t blame the police for that, you need to look to our courts, our government & the charging system. As the saying goes, don’t shoot the messenger.
I agree, we have the finest nurses, doctors, teachers, firefighters, armed forces AND police. As for you saying the UK is “stuck with you bloody lot” for police, why is our country’s police the envy of the world? Why is it British police & detectives have gone out to co investigate the Madeliene McCann enquiry with the Portuguese police? Why are our police one of the most respected in the world? Because they do the job, thoroughly, to the best of their ability, they do it as they were trained to do, as they are paid to do, as they are expected to do. If they are caught not behaving in that way or breaking the law they are dismissed. Yes, you will get bad apples but that’s the same as any other occupation, teacher’s have been known to be child sex abusers, into child porn, rapists etc. Nurses (Beverley Allitt) have been found to be child killers. Doctors (Harold Shipman) have been found to be murderers. Priests have been found to be homosexual peadophiles, Army Seargents have been found to indulge in the rape of female & male recruits. Does that make every single person in that profession the same? If your answer is yes then by that account most of the friends you went for drinks with are criminals. If no then it doesn’t make all police, murderers/rapists/etc does it? Because that is what you have been implying. I look forward to your reply. You will also note I have not lowered myself to use bad language or called you names & made my argument in a thoroughly un-thug like manner, I’d appreciate it if you could keep to the same standard when putting your point across to me & fellow bloggers. If you click on my name you will find you hit my blog page, I will be pleased to carry on this discussion there as I don’t think this is the place, being as it isn’t my blog & the nature of the post. As I said, if you could keep to the same standard when replying to me as I have to you it would be appreciated. I believe I have answered all of your points, if I have missed any maybe you could be so kind as to point them out to me? Politely please.
last reply, good news partner just phoned me up {shes at work} copper just come in had his head caved in with a bottle, he wont die {booo} but hes well fucked up.
Hope to read about you in the papers soon, by killers.
Seeing as you have such a thing for Nazi’s, Mark, and you obviously enjoy stereotyping like them, here’s a last bit of irony for you. You endlessly repeat the same points, using isolated examples to prove a ficticious point, and ignoring all the evidence that either contradicts you or just shows that we are just as human as everyone else. You shout loud and long and hope to convince people.
“If you repeat a lie loud often enough and often enough, people will believe it.”
Josef Goebbels.
Notice the parallel?
I’m genuinely sorry your life is so consumed with hatred, if you have to revel in other peoples suffering to feel good about yourself and feel worthwhile, you’re no different to the lunatics in Al Qaeda or those who ran the gas chambers in Auschwitz. Four billion years of evolution clearly hasn’t achieved much in your case. End of discussion, you ran out of new things to say a long time ago and you’re boring me now.
P.S. Do the world a favour, don’t have kids
I agree with Blue Pimpernel, I answered every point you made & you failed to come back with an answer, except to be pleased that a fellow human being is suffering & you are revelling in it. If your partner is as sick as you are I feel sorry for the both of you, she shouldn’t be in the nursing profession if she is & I for one would not want to be treated by her. I wouldn’t wish that kind of pain on anyone, to be badly hurt, but it’s like they say, what goes around comes around & one day, in one way or another you will get your comeuppance, as will your partner if she is the same as you. I am a great believer in Karma.
Don’t have children, yet more hatred to fill the world, as if there isn’t enough already.
One last thing, I wouldn’t put it past you to lie about a copper being injured simply to get a reaction, I hope to God you are. Either way, it proves how sad your life is & how much bitterness & hatred you carry around with you every day, it would be a burden to me, obviously you enjoy suffering & pain but only if it is inflicted on other people.
Also shows your maturity, you are unable to answer my post & will be anuable to without resorting to profanity & abuse. I fully expect it. I am 21 & I handle myself with far more maturity, open mindedness, human decency, respect, humanity & honourability than you ever could, will or would.
Don’t feed the troll !
Mark, if your missus phones you up to feed your sick and juvenile bigotry by telling you about people with serious injuries, she’s not only breaching patient confidentiality, she’s clearly as moronic as you are!
Who is this Mark character, Is he for real or what. He is obviously trying to wind everyone up, but so far has littered his blogs with bigotted remarks and inacuracey .Or may be he is using the blogs to air his own frustrations as all his “friends and family” have given up listening to the ramblings of a bitter little man who funnily enough isnt taken seriously.
Oh yeah I thought my name was inspired……
I think I’ll just carry on shaking my head. The irony is, at some point he’ll dial 999 and someone selfless will turn up and try to help. Thats the job.
i did dial 999, a dick head put a fire bomb through a car window were i live,
watched said dick heads walk away over park.
how long do you think it took the scum to arrive????????
2 days, no joke, 2 bloody days.
Inspired and you think im mad.
you can all think of me as you wish it matters not,
im not the one who gets spat at.
im not a little man try 6ft 17 stone no not fat i have to work for a living more than can be said for you lot.
have any of you seen the film INJUSTICE???? why did you try and ban it????
what are you hidding??? and yes the police tryed to sue and failed, bit odd that.
6Ft 17 Stone!!!!!
You can’t work that hard for a living!!!
Not fat?? Tool!!!!!
I suspect that the reasin why your partner is in A&E is so you can be seen a lot quicker when you fall down in your so dangerous job.
EHU FL
EHU FL Have you forgotten your real name??? Nazi, scum, low life, but a few.
whats tool mean???
She does not get the time, to busy stiching coppers heads at the mo with all the love and care she can.
what would you know about working hard.
Now how about the film???
REASIN!!!!! I think you mean reason.
So Mark apart from the police service are you anti establishment too ? anti education anti national heath service perhaps ( there are ” killers there to arnt there )????? anything that really allows you to go freely about your business . Maybe you dont believe any any of the wars this country have been and are involved in to allow others and ourselves great freedom. Maybe you are a millitary man or more frighteningly a police officer yourself .
Ultimately big man you need to air your concerns with the constabulary that covers your area with the cheif constable / commisioner eh ?
we are policed by consent and thankfully YOU are in the minority is this whats frustrating you …. boo hoo.
boo boo?????
of all the people who kill its only the police who keep getting away with murder that is what iv been saying all along, anti this anti that NO NO NO.
a trial for police officers that kill. not a police sponsored investigation as keeps happpening. You will now reply they are investigated YES by the bloody police.
And when a second public investigation is orded the out come is well diffrent.
2 police investigations into SL both rubbish,
Public inquire you know the out come.
Any public inquire always has a diffrent out come than the police one.
if I was in the minority their would never be any public investigations into the police would their?????? becouse it takes the mass of PUBLIC to push for one.
the police always fight tooth and nail to stop them, GOT IT.
if you ever get the chance watch the film see how the police treat people and the families after their is a death by your mates hands.
their are a lot of places in this fine city i could walk safley on my own but i doubt you could or would not in your uniform anyway.
your not as well liked as you like to think.
Hands up who thinks Mark has a criminal record?
What kind of person has their house fire bombed (allegedly), someone involved in something dodgy perhaps?
I do hope he doesn’t trip up and land on a live rail – what a loss to mankind and academia that would be………
O holly you fool you ha ha ha, i said car window were i live not MY car or home silly silly girl
please please read my reply.
holly No i dont have a criminal record only been arrested one time by the BTP that was what my complaint was about {u dont read well do u??} the man who did the deed has been sentenced to 10 years, the fires on the railway????
We dont have live rails here silly girl.
so i must gather you are from the south??????
I really am a good citizen you are the bad guys. you lied about me I told the truth.
Holly: my dogs called Holly, yep shes stupid as well.
HOLY -yes, very CRO.
Er ‘MARK’ as I stated before in my previous reply, it’s quite obvious you cannot spell or have any educational skills in your so dangerous job, as I quite openly said that I would mis-spell words so even you could understand. The context in your last one’s has been entertaining, such as – ‘iv, diffrent, oh yes, Public enquire? We guessed Enquiry MARK, wrong type of ‘their’ as well, becouse, another two of ‘their’ in the wrong context, follwed by a ’safley’ and finally, there is a ‘your’ when in fact you should have put you’re or you are.
It is also strange how we the ‘police’ can string a line of sentences without having to revert to your type of language. I’m referring to the first line of your reply back to me and ask some of your ‘friends’ what ‘tool’ means as I’m sure they have been called it on more than one occassion.
My sincere apologies Mark. Your poor English confused me.
You don’t spell well do you?
What a shame there’s no chance of accidental electricution! One can only hope natural selection takes its course………
Low IQ and train tracks? Not a winning combination!
Mark will end up with a Darwin award, I’m sure of it!
Holly 3 replys??? my what an angry little girl you are, my how you do lose your temper
at small things, i think a death in police hands is on the way.
no I dont know what tool means a south thing????? YES VERY CRO lost again sorry.
Low IQ and a nazi uniform more deaths. wof wof
So many question marks, Mark!
My what an illiterate freak you are. You don’t know what tool means, you don’t know what CRO means, yet you accuse me of having a low IQ.
Your right I do lose my temper at small things, I’m sure your wife feels the same.
woof will you tell me what TOOL means {if u no} and CRO ? {1 ? feel better}
Me a freak!!! i dont get spat at, im not hated, {shit your right about the wife}
WHATS tool and cro mean nazi fucker????? please dont stabbed before you anser.
missed the GET. but im illiterate so you wont mind.
Have I hit a sore point sweetheart?
You clearly have access to the internet so google it
Or would that take more initiative then you can manage?
i have woof, no good so you tell me.{i gather you dont no}
sweetheart?? me? you? sorry dont do animals.
I don’t ‘no’ – What does that mean?
Please reply when you have bought a dictionary, then the dog might throw you a bone.
woof, please stop being silly, you are the dog and the only thing i will throw at you is a fire bomb. yes, yes your reading my spelling and so on.
tool bit please,
sorry off to bed now propper job to do in the morn,
may i say all jokes a side, is this al you do with your nights???? send mails to police haters???? {yes lots of ????}
YOUR NOT A COPPER. A FOOL YES BUT A NAZI NO.
Thug girl, been to your site, leave the police. trust me. you are not a copper and it will break you, you cant do it, leave now or leave later but you will never be a copper.
you ent got it girl you to soft. sorry but thats the way it is.
Mark if you wish to engage in debate based on facts then fine, but if you just want to be abusive (scum, nazi etc) then it may be worth your while finding like minded people to vent your frustrations with. May I suggest http://www.hmprisonservice.gov.uk
Whilst the officers on here have conceded numerous times that colleagues do and have got it wrong and deserve to be punished, you seem to be unwaivering in your view that EVERY officer is somehow wrong / at fault / a criminal at the least (without reverting to the abusive words you’ve used)
Its sad that you feel this way, if for no other reason than the fact that either you are simply goading people into a confrontation for effect, or more concerning, that you struggle to honestly entertain or even contemplate that anyone elses view may in fact be both legitimate and even correct.
Would you have been one of the people who was certain that the world was flat I wonder? At want point would you have changed your mind? What proof would it have taken?
In any case, we are neither scum, Nazi’s, dickheads or for that matter anything else but a cross section of the public policing by consent. See the states for a policing model that perhaps represents a slighlty less by consent approach (no offence to our american cousins).
Either way I think we’re clear on your view and you are clear on ours.
Mark, you are either a comedian (and not funny at that) or a VERY mentally disturbed individual
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