Get your yellow jacket on, knock on the door, push past the old lady, “Water Board love”, one distracts - one steals, pension book, World War medals, cash for the grandson’s visit, photo of George in Silver Frame - she gets suspicious, push her over and shout in her face, run off, laugh, hide in alley and go through stolen property, walk into High Street, within CCTV range, pass property to female partner with buggy, caught by Old Bill, get arrested, go to custody. “No comment” interview, free legal representation, bail - get your yellow jacket on, knock on the door, push past the old man, “Water Board mate”, one distracts - one steals, pension book, cash for holiday, photo of Betty, he gets suspicious, punch him in the head, laugh, kick him, walk away. Get caught by Old Bill, stolen property found in pockets, get arrested, go to custody, “no comment”, duty brief, CPS decision, get bailed. Fail to come back for bail, go inside Boots, steal, walk away, push past checkout girl, throw punch at man who complains, get arrested, stolen property found in pockets, CCTV very good, no comment interview, store girl too afraid to give statement, member of public “don’t want to get involved”, bail, eat, sleep, get drunk, out in Town, approach boy on way home from school, demand mobile, he says “no”, punch him in the face, stamp on his head, all on CCTV, police arrive, take shirt off, fight police, get sprayed, cell exit, CPS decision “violence not in order to steal”, counter allegations, get bail, go home. Home - paid for by taxpayer, Children - paid for by taxpayer, Weekly Income - paid for by taxpayer and crime, Healthcare - paid for, Education - paid for, Legal Advice - paid for, benefits of living in modern civilised society - paid for, Fire, Police & Ambulance - paid for. By you and me. And by George. And by Betty. And the girl from Boots. Contribution to society? NIL. Contribution from society to feed lifestyle? TOTAL.
You couldn’t make it up.
The Wolf Who Cried Boy
August 2, 2006 by inspectorgadget
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And therin lies the problem with the criminal justice system in this country. Complete lack of responsibility for ones actions and absolute support from the state.
Until there is a fundemental shift in attitudes things will get much worse before it gets any better.
Ive always thought that bail should be a one off. If someone commits another crime whilst on bail then it should be custody until trial. Serial bail offenders are thumbing their nose at the system.
I won’t hold my breath.
But PC Midlands, now that the government has committed itself (maybe I ought to stop there!) to abolishing the teaching of right and wrong, substituting instead the acquisition of strong moral values, its going to get an awful lot worse.
For there will not even be a twinge of conscience in those whose strong moral values are that they must come out at the top of the heap by whatever means they can!
As for members of the public refusing to get involved after witnessing a crime, having a punch thrown at them… to be honest, they deserve everything they get. That’s cruel to say I know, but if they don’t help they cannot expect things to get any better.
This is something everybody has to address, and it’s at every level from petty shoplifting to smoking in no-smoking bus stations to spitting out chewing gum on the street to threatening kids with knives to steal their mobile phones.
But mostly I think we need to somehow teach the perpetrators to respect themselves, and thence to respect the rest of the world. That’s been said before - unfortunately also by the current government, who I rarely agree with - but I think it’s the key thing. They just don’t care, and how can you combat people who just don’t care?
Single-chance bail would be a good start.
If only there were a way to take away benefits from criminals, but firtly this guy not convicted, secondly if you do that, you starve his kids, and nasty little brats though they are, in this case they’re innocent.
But perhaps they could do with foster care.
Inspector… Would you not honestly like to get hold of this person and physically hurt him badly? The catastrophic errors on behalf of the protective services are plain to see. I have seen this kind of stuff so many times which ends in a murder enquiry!
What I continually fail to do though, is find myself able to find the one thing that would hurt him as much as he hurts us. What is it? He wouldn’t give a toss if we hit him in the pocket or put him in jail or caused him some short term physical pain. That’s what annoys me so much, we don’t get them back as hard as they get us. It frustrates me so much that I lose sleep at night thinking about it. I sometimes wish the CPS guys nan was the one who was distracted, burgled and punched. Maybe they would come out a bit harder. There are still people out there who want to give people like this a chance!
Well said. The world is going to hell in a hand cart, and to make matters worse we are paying for it. Roll on the revolution.
This is something I rant on about all the time. I have only been in the ambulance service for three years and I’m still constantly amazed by what I see. It will be the same people but in different circumstances, usually.
It makes me mad. People who do nothing but breed and get 6 bedroom houses built for them and therir 7 kids, while we run around trying to make up for the total lack of self responcibility these people are brought up with, or the lack of respect they show to society in general.
In three years I have gone from being a Liberal to thinking that workhouses should be brought back. The only way it will change is to make conditions worse for those who don’t work than for those who do, ie us all. There is no lack of work for those who want it - ask most of the Polish immigrants who work dam hard for the minimum wage.
With regard to the crime issue they should not be repeatedly bailed. this is madness!! by the way how is this shown in the crime statistics?
It’s the way of things.
The Police, and by this I mean the *Service* not the *Officers*, are PC mad.
PC divides the world into the ‘good’ and the ‘bad’. The ‘good’ are the theoretically oppressed ; e.g. the Muslim community. The ‘bad’ are the ‘powerful’ ; e.g. Israel, the well off, the Police
Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of the case, PC (note, this is Political Correctness throughout, not Police Constable !) supports the good versus the bad. (Hence the ever so slightly different treatment given to the Moslem cartoon mob versus the Countryside Alliance for example)
If I, as a law abiding member of the public, or you as a (hopefully) law abiding policeman did something like this, we’d be absolutely crucified.
However, when a member of dross-soc does it, in their positions as ‘good’ (in PC land), it’s not their fault, it’s their upbringing, it’s society, it’s their deprived life, it’s unemployment. It’s *anything* but their own personal choice.
It’s rubbish.
I’ve worked with behaviourally disorderered children for fifteen years. Many of them go on and make decent lives for themselves (and some end up in your company as well). Many of those who make something of themselves come from backgrounds so dreadful it is beyond belief. But they do it.
The PC (and the likes of ACPO) will not accept a very simple fact.
It’s their choice to do so.
They steal, and are violent and all the other chavvy behaviour that occupies probably 98% of your time for three basic reasons.
(i) the ego trip they get from it (they feel good about themselves by making other people feel bad)
(ii) the practical rewards they get from it (theft is rewarding compared to working in McDonalds)
(iii) there is no effective sanction for not doing it (see OP for example, little chance of being caught, little chance of prison if caught).
It’s their choice ; it’s nothing to do with the PC cr*p that is thrown about.
MattW, I agree that people should come forward but I have to say that I dont blame people for not doing so, Why should members of the public put themselves on offer when we cant even get people before the courts because CPS wont prosecute, the bottom line is that people dont have any confidence in the criminal justice system, i.e. shopgirl gives a statement and goes to court thinking she will be protected, suspects get a conditional discharge and are out on the street, shopgirl wonders why shes not getting protection from harrassment, whos going to do it, the 24/7 patrol officer who hasn’t even got time to grab a bite to eat during there shift. and are to busy filling in forms that serve no purpose other than to make a box checkers job easier.
As for a deterant, how about this for an idea, do away with maximum sentences and turn them into minimum ones, if you burgle a house you get 14 years in prison, steal a car have five years, forget about trying to reform them cos it doesn’t work, lock them up for longer and make it a horrible place to be, if they dont want to go back they wont commit crime.
while there in prison there not committing crime.
Inspector, you have got it spot on, its a pity the politicians don’t look at this site and take on board whats written.
Thanks
Along with the one-chance bail mentioned before (a good idea if ever there was one), we could perhaps add some sort of criminal points system. It could work thus:
Each and every offence carries with it points, a range with a maximum and a minimum and judicial discretion in between. Accrued points “decay” at a rate of one per week.
Commit a crime having no points against your record, and you get what the judge says you get.
Commit a crime with points against your name, and in addition to the sentence, you get one week of imprisonment per point present (points for that offence to be added AFTER this). Imprisonment due to points should not cause them to decay.
The idea is this: persistent offenders would accrue more and more points (call them Criminal Stupidity Points) and get more and more jailtime; this would prevent them further offending outside.
One final point: Cease all conjugal visits. Allowing criminals to breed whilst inside is quite simply insane; prison is there to punish, not mildly inconvenience them.
I mentioned workhouses earlier, breeding is a big problem. I cant see the human rights people being to happy about denying people this right but if it was possible - wouldn’t it be good to filter contraceptives into the water supply in certain areas.
If they had a job and had no ofspring to neglect they may even save some money, given the price of white litening cider, and move to another area. the contraceptive wares off and respopncible child rearing may ensue.
Maybe just put the pill in cheep cider - better targeting of the population in question.
Just want to say, that as a middle-aged, white, British born Londoner, who still lives in the city, I love Political Correctness, Paul. It’s an attempt to treat each other decently, it’s not perfect, but it is better than what we had before, when white men (especially the rich ones) could get away with anything and the rest of us took the blows and cleaned up after them, singing a cheerful cockernee song as we did so. In 1966, when I was pregnant, and my husband hit me round the head and broke my ear drum, I called the Police. Naive or what ? The copper was all sympathy for my husband, who made him (not me) a cup of tea. They sat in the kitchen, drinking tea, and the copper, speaking as if I was not there, told him you have to knock them about a bit or they get out of line.
That wouldn’t happen now. Why ? Because of Political Correctness. Some of us don’t miss the good old days at all
Fine, you are welcome to it. What it frequently amounts to these days however, is not about ‘treating each other decently’.
It’s about power games, special interest, censorship and preferential treatment of groups that can claim victim status.
There are alternatives between the lunatic control-freakery PC that we have now and the days when marital rape wasn’t a crime (for example).
Well, that post seemed to tap into a rich vein of bigotry. Look, I know these kids, off with their goolies, I say.
Britain is a nation of cowed, disarmed, powerless subjects of a liberal socialist elite. Labour, Tory — it makes no difference.
The elite has a horror of “ordinary people”. Anybody whose political views are to the right of, say, Hilary Clinton, who thinks murder is a crime, and should be punished, for example, is a right-wing racist bigoted nut-job.
But nothing will change in the UK until the political system is rebalanced in favour of (horrors) “Ordinary People”.
For a start, that means elected local police chiefs, judges and magistrates. As long as police and judiciary are promoted based on their ability to brown-nose the elite, things will continue as they are. If they begin to be promoted or sacked based on “ordinary peoples” perception of the crime rates, things will start to change.
Look at the American experience. They flirted with liberalism in the 1970s and 80s and crime was out of control. But because public officials are elected, not appointed, the people got tired of this and now crime is going down.
You will need to build some very large jails and warehouse criminals for extremely long periods of time. It will take 20-30 years for the effects to become clear.
But the situation is not hopeless.
I am a firm believer in everyone having a chance - we all make mistakes.
Take bail that should be a privledge not a right. After the first time you would know that next time you don’t get bail.
Going to prison should not be without a monetary cost,for example if you are an OAP and go to hospital after a period you lose your pension I believe. Students have to repay loans why not prisoners? So how about people that do not commit crime building up credits each year. Full credits and you retire on pension at 65. Offenders have to wait longer until the prison costs/fines accrued have been repaid from what would have been their pension. For some perhaps they may have to wait a few months more for others they may never get a pension but they will only have themselves to blame
Disheartening tale.
And all too true.
To be philosphical, we can be thankful that our society _can_ afford to be so damn generous. If this was the Middle Ages (or Sub Saharan Africa) we’d be tougher on the crims, for sure - but they’d use daggers (or AK47s).
At least our ‘too soft’ approach gives a few of the underclass the chance to better themselves … and leaves the majority of people morally superior not only to our own chavscum but to much of the rest of society, past and present.
one offence? youthful indiscretion.
two offences? hmm, bit of a pattern here
three offences? it’s in your genes, you don’t care about other people,
answer: enforced sterilisation (male or female): cut you out of the gene pool. Tough but fair!!
You may care to reflect upon the company you keep, Marc.
Hitler was, and the Taliban are very keen on the mutilation and murder of those who they considered had fouled the gene pool.
I laugh at my naivety now but until about five years ago I had no idea that Britain had an underclass.
I come from a working class background, father often unemployed, council house, free school meals etc. I even got involved in petty crime as a child, yet my family contribute to society. All my siblings work and most in the public sector (fools) we have univeristy educations, my parents volunteered with youth organisations. Yet every day I deal with people who do nothing but take take take from society. What is their value? Why do we continue to support their thieving, scrounging ways? Why does a part of my income go to provide for these feckless individuals whos only concern is their next drink or whatever other drug takes their fancy?
Why do they all have flatscreen tvs?
We have to take a stand and say enough is enough. we will not support this underclass, we are not their keepers. Let those who choose not to abide by the social contract be subject to the full force of the law and let them know they are not welcome to walk with us until they recognise their civic duties.
Phew. Feel better for that!
I draw your attention to the ‘Essex Police Oracle’ via The policemans blog. It would seem that the Internet has given the opportunity for Officers to be able to speak out and to each other instead of being isolated.
I try to explain to my friends that its not that we don’t catch people but when we do the criminal justice system doesn’t do anything with them! Still you gotta laugh, or else you’d cry.
Belfast Peeler, too late for laughing… I’m already crying.
The amount of stick people give me when they want to complain about being burgled or mugged - they just don’t realise we do everything we can to lock these bastards up and people with no balls (i.e. the Government of the day - any day, it doesn’t matter) put policies in place that do nothing to protect the public.
The solution to all of this is so very very simple. Build a shed load more prisons, lock people up as per the law allows (e.g. 7 years for shoplifting) slowly but surely stem the tide of criminality. It would cost a lot of money yes, and I’d be happy to pay more tax to allow this.
I really don’t see why the government have a problem with this. The people they risk alienating, i.e. the criminal underclass, don’t register to vote or pay tax anyway.
My belief is that we should just shoot repeated criminal recidivists like this, the scroat families and their offspring, and have done with it. But then i’ve been a police officer for 6 years so my judgement isnt clouded as I see it how it is too. The biggest danger we face as a society is support for these crazy ‘criminals are victims too’ marxist ideologies that this government and those that support it churn out.
Steal tax payers motor car, get spanked with tax payers baton by proxy of the local bobby. Commit an artiface burglary against a pensioner, or any other vulnerable adult and get the MAXIMUM sentence for that offence, not the minimum. The law doesnt need changing, the application of it does. If judges dont have the bottle to give out the maximum sentences per offence as standard then they should be replaced with people that will. The standard should be automatic maximum sentences, with occasional reductions due to unusual mitigating circumstances. Rather then time being wasted and money being wasted in social inclusion schemes, and paying for an army of jobsworth local authority enforcers going about sticking people on for accidently dropping bus tickets and the like, money needs to be spent hiring more cops and building more prisons. Prisons getting towards full, fine.. build more. Scroat family causing 50% of the crime on an estate, fine.. sieze and sell their property, take their cars and sell them, use the money to pay for their ongoing detention. The problem isnt the police, we arrest, we present evidence, even when the CPS runs it, its bloody liberal lefty idiot judges and magistrates giving out light sentences and stupid government sentencing guidelines that are at fault. The birch and if neccessary the gallows are the way to deal with people that behave like total shits on an ongoing basis.
As an addition, rather then jails being run like holiday camps for scroats, as a place to take a couple of months break between burglary jobs, they need to be brutal. Rather then a prisoner being allowed to sit in a comfortable cell all day and watch tv and read, being given 3 meals a day and spending his time in the evening playing pool with his buddies on the wing or sport in the prison gym, prisons should be run as self funding factories. The prisoner must work 8 hours, every day in the prison. They must be made to work. If they refuse, they get an additional 6 months to their sentence and are placed in solitary in the dark, naked, with only enough food and water to survive on, for the duration of their stay. Sounds harsh, but how many repeat offenders would you have if smoeone was locked up for 3 years for their first burglary in these conditions. NOT MANY. Sentences should be doubled up exponentially too. First burglary, 3 years on conviction, automatic minimum. Second offence, 6. third, 12. If it conflicts with so called human rights legislation, repeal the HR legislation. Human rights should be there for law abiding citizens, the expectation that the state wont interfere with your personal life if you arent a total shit to those around you. It shouldnt be afforded to people that go out of their way to undermind their fellow citizen and act like shits all day every day.
http://www.lineofduty.com/blotterstory.asp?StoryID=92327
If we had sentencing here, like they do in the US… problem would be solved. A guy that punched a female officer unconscious when stopped for a moving vehicle offence (who was wanted under warrant also) was jailed for 60 years. Scroats that do that sort of thing here get a few months.
People knock america but where its got it right, is the offences scumbags get that assault cops.
“Roll on the revolution”, said a previous commenter.
When it comes, we’re going to need a longer wall.
We need to teach right from wrong, and stop treating criminals like victims.
“The PC (and the likes of ACPO) will not accept a very simple fact.
It’s their choice to do so.”
Whether that is a “fact” depends on whether you believe in Free Will or in Predestination.
I think most Muslims, for instance, believe in Predestination. Everything that will happen in a person’s life is pre-planned by God. If so, there is no choice.
The same applies if all your actions are the logical consequence of the laws of physics, biochemistry and the way the brain works. (Indeed, these would be the outward signs of God’s will.)
Others believe that there is something in you that is free to make a choice.
Nobody has discovered a way to determine which view is correct.
Just the tip of the iceberg with the land fit for criminals. Why do we put up with it
Don Cox - you may be interested in views on Muslims expressed here (NOT mine): http://raptureready.com/
Gotta say we did away with one of the finest detterents before I was born [national service;-)]. Id even suggest a reinstatement of National service as an option to jail for these scrotes. Let em strap up there webbin belts lock and load and see what its like to go head on in an afghan enclave against boys who know what the word fighting means. Oops there i go again thinking these ppl would contribute anything to that effort either (besides showing em there asses!). There again the training might do em some good; after all how many times does even a complete booner with rocks for brains need to get stomped on by a division of pissed off squaddies getting the sh*t end of the stick by a pissed off drill instructor because of there foul atitude before they reform there ways;-). But hey thats just my opinion and you know what they say about people with those.
LynX - I don’t think so! I understand some of your point, and yes the lads would give them a good (well deserved kicking) BUT, but trust me as a serving Officer in the Royal Navy - National service - Jesus! We can’t even sort our own lads and girls out! We’re skint, so are the army, royal marines and air force. It’s a nice idea but we’ve got Equal Ops, civil rights and political correctness coming out of our ears. And remember we’re the next step up if the shit really does hit the fan in our society (what we’re gonna do to help the professional and fully stretched police i don’t know! Look at the firefighter’s strike - shambles!) It’s a shit state of affairs when some people are front line and haven’t got even basic equipment like body armour - all down to the money, where are we gonna get the money to pay for these scum bags? so no - lets not bring back national service. Please! The points system and loss of ALL benefits is a bloody good idea though.
While i’m still on a rant, fancy having a laugh, a real laugh of just how fucked we really really are in this great country. flick onto BBC parliment channel (near BBCnews24)and have a look at what these mindless, over educated, narrow minded idiots are arguing about……….please someone get a grip with reality here! Then again it’s aturday night so they won’t be there, and i should be out getting drunk, having a kebab and starting a fight with someone! Only joking - I hate kebabs!
Interesting… I’m going to have to come back for more reading later. Off to work!
Don’t worry with standing the PC non-jobs in front of walls. Just use lampposts, bridges, crane jibs and whatever comes to hand. Then hang a few of the worst-offending scrotes as an example and leave the corpses up ‘pour encorage les autres’.
You probably won’t believe this but I assure you it’s true. An guy was arrested on our patch this week for an armed cash in transit robbery. He was caught within minutes, red handed so to speak. That is probably unbelievable in itself as it’s such a rare occurence, but that’s not the bit I’m highlighting.
The astonishing bit is that he was already out on court bail - for 43 robbery offences. That is not a typo - he was on bail for 43 previous robberies. To quote you, “you couldn’t make it up”.
Rich says:
But nothing will change in the UK until the political system is rebalanced in favour of (horrors) “Ordinary People”.
For a start, that means elected local police chiefs, judges and magistrates.
To be elected, you need to be populist, therefore impartiality goes out of the window. The wasters spend enough time in meetings as is, do you really want to be told ‘There’s an election next month, go and arrest all ***(insert societal grouping identified by pollsters as least popular) as I need to get re-elected.
The reason we as a society choose to have so many rights (which ARE abused by a criminal/antisocial minority) is so that the govt of the day cannot decide overnight to round up all ‘undesireables’, ban comment -in short tyranny. (Some of our legislation is frightening were it to be abused)
Yes, with rights come responsibilities, but with rights (including abuse thereof) comes freedom.
Yikes, am starting to sound like a liberal…heeelp!
Spoke to my brother-in-law the other day. He is a Garda in Ireland.
He gave me an example of a Public order arrest.
-Laddo kicks off on Saturday night
-Garda arrest laddo
-laddo piled into van.
-Droped off at station
-booked in within 30 mins (at very most)
-spends weekend in station till court
-no solicitor, no interview (after all a police officer witnessed the incident and in Ireland it is assumed that Police officers tell the truth and are not always lying to get little Billy into trouble for no reason.)
-Garda is out the door and next time he has anything to do with laddo is at court
-Garda is back on street in less than 30 mins after arrest
-Public order files consist of a statement and PNC printout and that is it.( after all it’s simple: laddo fight, laddo arrested—No need for mg5 mg1 etc.
-All garda court dates are made to suit the Garda so he can set all his court dates for the same day and have a ‘court day’. (Unlike here when court dates are only set during a police officers A/L
And this is possible because the courts are not full of s**t. Like a stolen spanner or pigeon assault. And, as yet, the under class do not call the shots. And of course the Garda have discretion and so can say “no Miss underclass I’m not going to arrest anyone for harassing you because your talking crap, sort out your own problems like an adult. And if I have to come out here again I’ll arrest you for waisting my time”
Rather than explain what i do at work i gave him a copy of PC David COPPERFIELD’ book. He didn’t laugh. All he said is he hopes to f**k Ireland will not turn out like this.
Spoke to him today and it would seem his inspector is trying to insist that Public order files contain more pages for court, MG5, MG6 i guess.
Welcome to the loss of common sense and hello pointless forms for Ireland.
He still laughed and said it’s still not half as bad as here. But it will be.
An old saying goes “Those who can’t do it will teach it. Those who can’t teach it administrate. In this country the Admin have the power and call the shots despite not knowing the realities of the job or any realities it would seem. And I think that is why we are all screwed because who will stand up and say NO.
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I blame the Government.
Did you vote for them?
If so, you should be ashamed.
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